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Reply #60 posted 12/01/11 1:06am

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However many years that Murray actually serves in prison, his Karma has already caught up with him and he well knows it. Whatever his future is, he will be forever villified as the man who killed Michael Jackson, the King of Pop...and no one will ever let him forget it. neutral

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Reply #61 posted 12/01/11 5:23am

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purplethunder3121 said:

However many years that Murray actually serves in prison, his Karma has already caught up with him and he well knows it. Whatever his future is, he will be forever villified as the man who killed Michael Jackson, the King of Pop...and no one will ever let him forget it. neutral

My mother looks at him with compassion because of this and Michaels part in it. She feels he should not get all the blame. I say Michael has already paid his part and now it's Murry's turn so he shouldn't be buffered from punishment and scorn. nod

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Reply #62 posted 12/01/11 6:12am

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An drug addict leaves a mess in his wake. If anyone has ever known one, you know the unstoppable force they can be. Mr. Murray does not deserve any sympathy, but neither does MJ. People cannot blame others for someone's own problems. It was a partnership.

To me the sad part is that becasue Dr. Murray holds a degree, he will only serve a couple of years in minimum security, while if you are a young kid dealing pot, never mind it cannot kill anyone, you do far more and under worse circumstance.

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Reply #63 posted 12/02/11 6:04am

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Like the Judge I always wondered why Murray recorded Jackson in such a drugged up state, that never made sense to me. Was he trying to Blackmail MJ? MJ had deep problems there is no doubt about that. And if it weren't Murray adminstrating him with drugs it would have probably been another doctor, however has a Doctor you are alway going to be held to a higher level of responsiblity. and therefore Murray should have at least invested in some decent equipment whilst putting MJ under the influence of propofol. I think it is just a sad situation for everyone involved.

Recording Michael was a regular secret-thing amongst Michael's so-called PHONY Celeb friends...That Internationally famous Doctor, "Doctor Chopra" or whatever his name is recorded ALL of his PRIVATE counseling sessions with Michael and added the tapes to a Book he "pimped"...All the while CLAIMING how much he Loved Michael and a whole bunch of other Bullshit...

Michael had a lot of Sharks & Leeches in his life that showed their true colors after his death...

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Reply #64 posted 12/02/11 7:17am

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Chancellor said:

whatsgoingon said:

Like the Judge I always wondered why Murray recorded Jackson in such a drugged up state, that never made sense to me. Was he trying to Blackmail MJ? MJ had deep problems there is no doubt about that. And if it weren't Murray adminstrating him with drugs it would have probably been another doctor, however has a Doctor you are alway going to be held to a higher level of responsiblity. and therefore Murray should have at least invested in some decent equipment whilst putting MJ under the influence of propofol. I think it is just a sad situation for everyone involved.

Recording Michael was a regular secret-thing amongst Michael's so-called PHONY Celeb friends...That Internationally famous Doctor, "Doctor Chopra" or whatever his name is recorded ALL of his PRIVATE counseling sessions with Michael and added the tapes to a Book he "pimped"...All the while CLAIMING how much he Loved Michael and a whole bunch of other Bullshit...

Michael had a lot of Sharks & Leeches in his life that showed their true colors after his death...

I agree , and before his death

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Reply #65 posted 12/02/11 8:38am

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seeingvoices12 said:

Chancellor said:

Recording Michael was a regular secret-thing amongst Michael's so-called PHONY Celeb friends...That Internationally famous Doctor, "Doctor Chopra" or whatever his name is recorded ALL of his PRIVATE counseling sessions with Michael and added the tapes to a Book he "pimped"...All the while CLAIMING how much he Loved Michael and a whole bunch of other Bullshit...

Michael had a lot of Sharks & Leeches in his life that showed their true colors after his death...

I agree , and before his death

fuck all them phony mofos

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Reply #66 posted 12/02/11 10:07am

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Chancellor said:

whatsgoingon said:

Like the Judge I always wondered why Murray recorded Jackson in such a drugged up state, that never made sense to me. Was he trying to Blackmail MJ? MJ had deep problems there is no doubt about that. And if it weren't Murray adminstrating him with drugs it would have probably been another doctor, however has a Doctor you are alway going to be held to a higher level of responsiblity. and therefore Murray should have at least invested in some decent equipment whilst putting MJ under the influence of propofol. I think it is just a sad situation for everyone involved.

Recording Michael was a regular secret-thing amongst Michael's so-called PHONY Celeb friends...That Internationally famous Doctor, "Doctor Chopra" or whatever his name is recorded ALL of his PRIVATE counseling sessions with Michael and added the tapes to a Book he "pimped"...All the while CLAIMING how much he Loved Michael and a whole bunch of other Bullshit...

Michael had a lot of Sharks & Leeches in his life that showed their true colors after his death...

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Reply #67 posted 12/02/11 12:42pm

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It should be 10 years and not 4. Fuck the LA County and their talk of over-crowding. Murray could serve his time in another facility. They could send him up north. LA love to drop that over-crowding line when it comes to high profile and celebrity cases but let Conrad be some petty car jacker or meth dealer; they would find a space for him easily!

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Reply #68 posted 12/02/11 12:46pm

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"The fact that he participated in it does not excuse or lessen the blame of Dr. Murray, who simply could have walked away and said no as countless others did."

This x 1000000

I could not agree with this more if I tried as it's exactly what I & others have been saying this entire time. I think anyone who is of sane mind would agree as it's the absolute truth of the situation. Anyone who still thinks that Murray is some sort of victim in this entire thing needs to get their heads checked.

Also, inb4 a bunch of people start with that 'opinions' bs.

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Reply #69 posted 12/02/11 1:14pm

Timmy84

HotGritz said:

It should be 10 years and not 4. Fuck the LA County and their talk of over-crowding. Murray could serve his time in another facility. They could send him up north. LA love to drop that over-crowding line when it comes to high profile and celebrity cases but let Conrad be some petty car jacker or meth dealer; they would find a space for him easily!

If the LAPD had their way, Conrad would definitely have been convicted for 10 years or more.

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Reply #70 posted 12/02/11 2:06pm

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Timmy84 said:

HotGritz said:

It should be 10 years and not 4. Fuck the LA County and their talk of over-crowding. Murray could serve his time in another facility. They could send him up north. LA love to drop that over-crowding line when it comes to high profile and celebrity cases but let Conrad be some petty car jacker or meth dealer; they would find a space for him easily!

If the LAPD had their way, Conrad would definitely have been convicted for 10 years or more.

a-fucking-men to that, gritz! i couldn't bring myself to look at murray's doc, as i truly believe murray did murder mj the moment he consciously decided not to call 911, but from everything i've read about it, it seems this guy is a sociopath.

i haven't had a chance to look at it yet, but apparently the pros confirmed in their interview with good morning america that they had considered charging murray w/ 2nd degree murder. i point that out b/c when i mentioned it before, a certain poster insinuated that that wasn't true.

i live in l.a., and during the time before murray was charged, talk radio reporters, quoting their sources, said there that been major disagreements between lapd and the d.a. about what to charge murray with. i just couldn't find it in writing so i could post a rebuttal to him/her.

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Reply #71 posted 12/02/11 2:20pm

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Timmy84 said:

If the LAPD had their way, Conrad would definitely have been convicted for 10 years or more.

a-fucking-men to that, gritz! i couldn't bring myself to look at murray's doc, as i truly believe murray did murder mj the moment he consciously decided not to call 911, but from everything i've read about it, it seems this guy is a sociopath.

i haven't had a chance to look at it yet, but apparently the pros confirmed in their interview with good morning america that they had considered charging murray w/ 2nd degree murder. i point that out b/c when i mentioned it before, a certain poster insinuated that that wasn't true.

i live in l.a., and during the time before murray was charged, talk radio reporters, quoting their sources, said there that been major disagreements between lapd and the d.a. about what to charge murray with. i just couldn't find it in writing so i could post a rebuttal to him/her.

Yeah I remember and there was talk about multiple charges and counts but I guess it has something to do with getting a conviction without having to drag MJ's image through the mud and not setting a precedent that might make it easier for doctors in the future to get away with malpractice and murder. I think he should have also been deported as part of his punishment.

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Reply #72 posted 12/04/11 9:49am

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V10LETBLUES said:

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Has it? He killed a man recklessly and got just four lousy years.

Somebody once said Doctors make the best assasins. Maybe.

Conrad, definitely got off easy for his negligent medical care of someone under his personal care, and the life of an individual can never be based on time in jail. Wherever MJ is I doubt he has any animosity towards Mr. Murray. It was a cat and mouse game between a troubled soul and his caretakers.

MJ was headed in the wrong direction already. He needed someone to help him. Murray was obviously not it. His own family tried interventions and he was able to deflect them. There is no easy black and white in this situation. It was a terrible situation before Mr. Murray came in the picture. A lot of factors came together in a deadly combination that was measured in greed, ego and bad judgement by all involved. Including the concert promoters.

Michael's family did NOT try any interventions. In case some of you don't know, this is the SAME exact family who released a STATEMENT a few years ago saying that THEY had NEVER did any type of intervention. Why is the public and media's memory so dim? Another thing is that the only "intervention" that this family did just MONTHS before Michael was murdered was to badger and worry him about doing a Jackson Family Tour. Who in their right mind would believe that the same family asking and badgering him to do a Jackson Family Tour, at the SAME time that he was committed to the "This Is It" O2 tour, would be doing an intervention. If they weren't worried about his so-called "addiction" then, why are they coming out with this bullshit now? What makes me even angrier is that everything that I am stating was in the news. This is not something that I made up. There are even photos of Joe Jackson and Leoonard Rowe with Michael when they were badgering MJ to do THEIR tour.

Sometimes all it takes is COMMON SENSE. Of course, when it comes to Michael, neither the public or media uses any rational thinking. Again, how could this family be doing an intervention when THEY were asking Michael to do a tour with them. The whole family is fucked-up and clueless. Janet mentioned an "intervention" that she knew nothing about. She even admitted that she hadn't participated in one;yet, she went on worldwide TV and said that Michael was in denial and that there had been interventions. Jermaine has ALWAYS said that he knew nothing about these so-called interventions. How did Janet know when the rest of the family released WRITTEN statments that they had NEVER done any interventions. How convenient of them to say this NOW when Michael is no longer here to defend himself.

Finally, statements and court records have been released that there were NO DRUGS in Michael's sytem, EXCEPT what the MURDERER, Conrad Murray, injected into him. There was no Demerol in Michael's system at all; yet, the media callously called Michael a "drug addict" addicted to Demerol. Jermaine is the only one in that family who has consistently said that Michael was not a drug addict. There is a ton of footage of Michael coming from Klein's office after dermatological treatments and not one shows Michael "out--of-it". In fact, he was waving, talking to media and fans, answering questions,etc. It just goes to show that if a LIE is repeated enough, the "sheep will believe it". Sorry about the rant, but it pisses the hell out of me that people aren't able to decipher fact from bullshit. The FACTS are there; but when it comes to Michael Jackson, people are too weak or just too damn lazy to research the TRUTH.

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Reply #73 posted 12/04/11 9:52am

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Is Murray still on "suicide watch"? confused

[Edited 11/29/11 11:15am]

That cowardly bastard is too much of a pansy to kill himself. This is a lie for him to get a cell by himself. Of course, I would be willing to provide him the instrument, if he ever had the courage to do the world a favor.

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Reply #74 posted 12/04/11 10:03am

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I liked MJ...but it was his own weakness that he could not control and the circle around him that let the enabler Conrad Murray get to him....sadly he died because of it.... But when are people going to realize that MJ had a MAJOR drug problem he could not shake...

all these people say they all want "justice"...he was tried...convicted...and will go to jail... what more do they want??

WHAT major drug problem? According to toxicology reports there were NO DRUGS found in Michael system EXCEPT what the MURDERER, Conrad Murray, gave him. Common sense would tell you that IF Michael had a "major drug" problem, then there would have been OTHER drugs in his system. Even the nurse, Cherilyn Lee, who testified FOR the defense, said that she did all kinds of blood work on Michael and found NO DRUGS in his system. A "drug addict" doesn't just turn off his drugs one day or for weeks and months. I will never believe that Michael was an "addict" like Janet's ex-husbands. Of course, she has never talked about their REAL drug addictions;yet, felt the need to say that her brother was in denial and that interventions had been done. The patheitic thing is that she wouldn't have dared say this while Michael was alive, because she knows it's not true. She even admitted that she never saw this intervention that someone TOLD her about it. How the fuck can you go on National TV and proclaim yoiur brother an addict when it is hearsay. Other members of this family did the same thing. What a bunch of assholes to wait until a loved one is dead and then be cowards and destroy his memory with innuendos, lies and manipulations of facts. Fucking cowards!

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Reply #75 posted 12/04/11 10:40am

V10LETBLUES

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Michael's family did NOT try any interventions. In case some of you don't know, this is the SAME exact family who released a STATEMENT a few years ago saying that THEY had NEVER did any type of intervention. Why is the public and media's memory so dim? Another thing is that the only "intervention" that this family did just MONTHS before Michael was murdered was to badger and worry him about doing a Jackson Family Tour. Who in their right mind would believe that the same family asking and badgering him to do a Jackson Family Tour, at the SAME time that he was committed to the "This Is It" O2 tour, would be doing an intervention. If they weren't worried about his so-called "addiction" then, why are they coming out with this bullshit now? What makes me even angrier is that everything that I am stating was in the news. This is not something that I made up. There are even photos of Joe Jackson and Leoonard Rowe with Michael when they were badgering MJ to do THEIR tour.

Sometimes all it takes is COMMON SENSE. Of course, when it comes to Michael, neither the public or media uses any rational thinking. Again, how could this family be doing an intervention when THEY were asking Michael to do a tour with them. The whole family is fucked-up and clueless. Janet mentioned an "intervention" that she knew nothing about. She even admitted that she hadn't participated in one;yet, she went on worldwide TV and said that Michael was in denial and that there had been interventions. Jermaine has ALWAYS said that he knew nothing about these so-called interventions. How did Janet know when the rest of the family released WRITTEN statments that they had NEVER done any interventions. How convenient of them to say this NOW when Michael is no longer here to defend himself.

Finally, statements and court records have been released that there were NO DRUGS in Michael's sytem, EXCEPT what the MURDERER, Conrad Murray, injected into him. There was no Demerol in Michael's system at all; yet, the media callously called Michael a "drug addict" addicted to Demerol. Jermaine is the only one in that family who has consistently said that Michael was not a drug addict. There is a ton of footage of Michael coming from Klein's office after dermatological treatments and not one shows Michael "out--of-it". In fact, he was waving, talking to media and fans, answering questions,etc. It just goes to show that if a LIE is repeated enough, the "sheep will believe it". Sorry about the rant, but it pisses the hell out of me that people aren't able to decipher fact from bullshit. The FACTS are there; but when it comes to Michael Jackson, people are too weak or just too damn lazy to research the TRUTH.

I know you have seen this ABC News interview, Janet sounds very sincere. MJ wasn't the only one in denial it seems.

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Reply #76 posted 12/04/11 10:54am

grethomory

Free2BMe said:

V10LETBLUES said:

Conrad, definitely got off easy for his negligent medical care of someone under his personal care, and the life of an individual can never be based on time in jail. Wherever MJ is I doubt he has any animosity towards Mr. Murray. It was a cat and mouse game between a troubled soul and his caretakers.

MJ was headed in the wrong direction already. He needed someone to help him. Murray was obviously not it. His own family tried interventions and he was able to deflect them. There is no easy black and white in this situation. It was a terrible situation before Mr. Murray came in the picture. A lot of factors came together in a deadly combination that was measured in greed, ego and bad judgement by all involved. Including the concert promoters.

Michael's family did NOT try any interventions. In case some of you don't know, this is the SAME exact family who released a STATEMENT a few years ago saying that THEY had NEVER did any type of intervention. Why is the public and media's memory so dim? Another thing is that the only "intervention" that this family did just MONTHS before Michael was murdered was to badger and worry him about doing a Jackson Family Tour. Who in their right mind would believe that the same family asking and badgering him to do a Jackson Family Tour, at the SAME time that he was committed to the "This Is It" O2 tour, would be doing an intervention. If they weren't worried about his so-called "addiction" then, why are they coming out with this bullshit now? What makes me even angrier is that everything that I am stating was in the news. This is not something that I made up. There are even photos of Joe Jackson and Leoonard Rowe with Michael when they were badgering MJ to do THEIR tour.

Sometimes all it takes is COMMON SENSE. Of course, when it comes to Michael, neither the public or media uses any rational thinking. Again, how could this family be doing an intervention when THEY were asking Michael to do a tour with them. The whole family is fucked-up and clueless. Janet mentioned an "intervention" that she knew nothing about. She even admitted that she hadn't participated in one;yet, she went on worldwide TV and said that Michael was in denial and that there had been interventions. Jermaine has ALWAYS said that he knew nothing about these so-called interventions. How did Janet know when the rest of the family released WRITTEN statments that they had NEVER done any interventions. How convenient of them to say this NOW when Michael is no longer here to defend himself.

Finally, statements and court records have been released that there were NO DRUGS in Michael's sytem, EXCEPT what the MURDERER, Conrad Murray, injected into him. There was no Demerol in Michael's system at all; yet, the media callously called Michael a "drug addict" addicted to Demerol. Jermaine is the only one in that family who has consistently said that Michael was not a drug addict. There is a ton of footage of Michael coming from Klein's office after dermatological treatments and not one shows Michael "out--of-it". In fact, he was waving, talking to media and fans, answering questions,etc. It just goes to show that if a LIE is repeated enough, the "sheep will believe it". Sorry about the rant, but it pisses the hell out of me that people aren't able to decipher fact from bullshit. The FACTS are there; but when it comes to Michael Jackson, people are too weak or just too damn lazy to research the TRUTH.

You are so right!!! I was saying this all along. I am not excusing Conrad Murray in any kind of way. He totally was negligent, but now the family is coming out of the woodwork. You can't tell me the family didn't know something strange was going on. If they didn't they were blind because even I could look at that "This Is It" press conference and tell something wasn't quite right with Michael.

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Reply #77 posted 12/04/11 10:57am

Free2BMe

V10LETBLUES said:

Free2BMe said:

Michael's family did NOT try any interventions. In case some of you don't know, this is the SAME exact family who released a STATEMENT a few years ago saying that THEY had NEVER did any type of intervention. Why is the public and media's memory so dim? Another thing is that the only "intervention" that this family did just MONTHS before Michael was murdered was to badger and worry him about doing a Jackson Family Tour. Who in their right mind would believe that the same family asking and badgering him to do a Jackson Family Tour, at the SAME time that he was committed to the "This Is It" O2 tour, would be doing an intervention. If they weren't worried about his so-called "addiction" then, why are they coming out with this bullshit now? What makes me even angrier is that everything that I am stating was in the news. This is not something that I made up. There are even photos of Joe Jackson and Leoonard Rowe with Michael when they were badgering MJ to do THEIR tour.

Sometimes all it takes is COMMON SENSE. Of course, when it comes to Michael, neither the public or media uses any rational thinking. Again, how could this family be doing an intervention when THEY were asking Michael to do a tour with them. The whole family is fucked-up and clueless. Janet mentioned an "intervention" that she knew nothing about. She even admitted that she hadn't participated in one;yet, she went on worldwide TV and said that Michael was in denial and that there had been interventions. Jermaine has ALWAYS said that he knew nothing about these so-called interventions. How did Janet know when the rest of the family released WRITTEN statments that they had NEVER done any interventions. How convenient of them to say this NOW when Michael is no longer here to defend himself.

Finally, statements and court records have been released that there were NO DRUGS in Michael's sytem, EXCEPT what the MURDERER, Conrad Murray, injected into him. There was no Demerol in Michael's system at all; yet, the media callously called Michael a "drug addict" addicted to Demerol. Jermaine is the only one in that family who has consistently said that Michael was not a drug addict. There is a ton of footage of Michael coming from Klein's office after dermatological treatments and not one shows Michael "out--of-it". In fact, he was waving, talking to media and fans, answering questions,etc. It just goes to show that if a LIE is repeated enough, the "sheep will believe it". Sorry about the rant, but it pisses the hell out of me that people aren't able to decipher fact from bullshit. The FACTS are there; but when it comes to Michael Jackson, people are too weak or just too damn lazy to research the TRUTH.

I know you have seen this ABC News interview, Janet sounds very sincere. MJ wasn't the only one in denial it seems.

Yes, I saw the interview and it made me sick to my stomach. The problem I had with her "revelation" is that Michael had just been murdered. Her revelation had NOTHING to do with the FACT that Conrad Murray was the one RESPONSIBLE for Michael's death. Michael did NOT die of a self-induced overdose. Janet had no right, and neither did anyone else in that family, to say that Mchael was in denial or anything else. Janet has never spoken of her ex-husbands HEROIN addiction. Even IF Michael did have a problem, Janet had NO RIGHT to say that since he was no longer her to defend himself. It was self-serving, IMO. Her brother was MURDERED. The media abd public picked up on this crap because members of the Jackson family, except Jermaine, just sit back and ALLOWED the media to portray Michael as an "addict" and even added to the negativity. What family has EVER done that. especially, to a family member who is the most famous person in the world? It just isn't done. FTW, I do NOT think that Janet was sincere in that interview. IMO, she seemed to relish saying that Michael was in denial. Why speak of Michael in so much detail after he was dead, when she didn't even want to speak of him when he was alive. Finally, she called into my local radio station to promote her GH album, right after Michael died, and she told the DJ's not to even mention Michael's name. However, a week or so later, she goes on National TV and basically calls her deceased brother an "addict". There's something wrong with that picture and it doesn't look sincere or show loyaly. You can bet a millon dollars that Michael would NEVER have done that to Janet or any other family member who was deceased or living. He was that classy AND loyal.

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Reply #78 posted 12/04/11 12:25pm

kibbles

Free2BMe said:

V10LETBLUES said:

I know you have seen this ABC News interview, Janet sounds very sincere. MJ wasn't the only one in denial it seems.

Yes, I saw the interview and it made me sick to my stomach. The problem I had with her "revelation" is that Michael had just been murdered. Her revelation had NOTHING to do with the FACT that Conrad Murray was the one RESPONSIBLE for Michael's death. Michael did NOT die of a self-induced overdose. Janet had no right, and neither did anyone else in that family, to say that Mchael was in denial or anything else. Janet has never spoken of her ex-husbands HEROIN addiction. Even IF Michael did have a problem, Janet had NO RIGHT to say that since he was no longer her to defend himself. It was self-serving, IMO. Her brother was MURDERED.

free, you'll never convince some people that mj was not responsible for his death, and the family is to blame.

in spite of the fact that the various witnesses who were around mj at the time, e.g., nurse lee, lou ferrigno, tai chase say that they never ever witnessed drug taking (visits to dr. klein notwithstanding), some people will believe janet b/c she 'sounds sincere'. janet saw mj at a family gathering in may '09 and hadn't seen him for four years prior to that. if she was so 'sincere', she would have talked about that fact. whatever she thought was going on in mj's life wasn't based on her direct knowledge, only hearsay.

personally, i believe janet and some other family members were out saying these things when mj first died b/c they thought there was a possibility to challenge his will. if they could make the case that mj wasn't in his right mind, that he was a long-term, hardcore addict at the time of his signing of the will, they could nullify it and try to gain control of the estate. i notice for example, that latoya is no longer saying that mj was as addict; why?

in the coming year, mj's med records are going to come into play in two lawsuits, one involving aeg and one involving his insurance company. i expect that the records will confirm what mj's autopsy already has: that he was in very good health for a man his age, and there was no indication of drug abuse. it's very easy to go on t.v. and tell a 'sincere' story; it's a whole other thing to sit on a witness stand and defend it under cross examination. five will get you a hundred that janet will be conveniently out of the country when these cases come to trial.

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Reply #79 posted 12/04/11 2:20pm

Free2BMe

kibbles said:

Free2BMe said:

Yes, I saw the interview and it made me sick to my stomach. The problem I had with her "revelation" is that Michael had just been murdered. Her revelation had NOTHING to do with the FACT that Conrad Murray was the one RESPONSIBLE for Michael's death. Michael did NOT die of a self-induced overdose. Janet had no right, and neither did anyone else in that family, to say that Mchael was in denial or anything else. Janet has never spoken of her ex-husbands HEROIN addiction. Even IF Michael did have a problem, Janet had NO RIGHT to say that since he was no longer her to defend himself. It was self-serving, IMO. Her brother was MURDERED.

free, you'll never convince some people that mj was not responsible for his death, and the family is to blame.

in spite of the fact that the various witnesses who were around mj at the time, e.g., nurse lee, lou ferrigno, tai chase say that they never ever witnessed drug taking (visits to dr. klein notwithstanding), some people will believe janet b/c she 'sounds sincere'. janet saw mj at a family gathering in may '09 and hadn't seen him for four years prior to that. if she was so 'sincere', she would have talked about that fact. whatever she thought was going on in mj's life wasn't based on her direct knowledge, only hearsay.

personally, i believe janet and some other family members were out saying these things when mj first died b/c they thought there was a possibility to challenge his will. if they could make the case that mj wasn't in his right mind, that he was a long-term, hardcore addict at the time of his signing of the will, they could nullify it and try to gain control of the estate. i notice for example, that latoya is no longer saying that mj was as addict; why?

in the coming year, mj's med records are going to come into play in two lawsuits, one involving aeg and one involving his insurance company. i expect that the records will confirm what mj's autopsy already has: that he was in very good health for a man his age, and there was no indication of drug abuse. it's very easy to go on t.v. and tell a 'sincere' story; it's a whole other thing to sit on a witness stand and defend it under cross examination. five will get you a hundred that janet will be conveniently out of the country when these cases come to trial.

Thank You! It's amazing how some people have collective amnesia or collective stupidity when it comes to telling the truth or HEARING the truth about Michael. I am always astounded at just how willing people are to believe the worst about Michael when the FACTS are presented and basically kick them in the ass. Still, these same people blindly believe what Janet and others members of that family say without even listening, looking or reading the detailed facts and truth. It's sad that people can be so gullible. The records afe there for them to see and they CHOOSE to ignore them and believe the lies, half-truths of Janet( and others in that family) just because SHE says it is so. There is no way in hell that she would say that in front of someone who is KNOWLEDGEABLE(the media is not) and who would challenge her on her lies(the media will not). Janet knows that some(most) in the public and media will not challenge her half-truths. That is the very reason that she gets away with it. She is supposed to be the so-called "normal" Jackson. LOL!

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Reply #80 posted 12/04/11 2:21pm

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I dig Janet but she was WRONG for that. Ain't right to assume things.

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Reply #81 posted 12/06/11 4:38pm

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V10LETBLUES said:

I know you have seen this ABC News interview, Janet sounds very sincere. MJ wasn't the only one in denial it seems.

Yes, I saw the interview and it made me sick to my stomach. The problem I had with her "revelation" is that Michael had just been murdered. Her revelation had NOTHING to do with the FACT that Conrad Murray was the one RESPONSIBLE for Michael's death. Michael did NOT die of a self-induced overdose. Janet had no right, and neither did anyone else in that family, to say that Mchael was in denial or anything else. Janet has never spoken of her ex-husbands HEROIN addiction. Even IF Michael did have a problem, Janet had NO RIGHT to say that since he was no longer her to defend himself. It was self-serving, IMO. Her brother was MURDERED. The media abd public picked up on this crap because members of the Jackson family, except Jermaine, just sit back and ALLOWED the media to portray Michael as an "addict" and even added to the negativity. What family has EVER done that. especially, to a family member who is the most famous person in the world? It just isn't done. FTW, I do NOT think that Janet was sincere in that interview. IMO, she seemed to relish saying that Michael was in denial. Why speak of Michael in so much detail after he was dead, when she didn't even want to speak of him when he was alive. Finally, she called into my local radio station to promote her GH album, right after Michael died, and she told the DJ's not to even mention Michael's name. However, a week or so later, she goes on National TV and basically calls her deceased brother an "addict". There's something wrong with that picture and it doesn't look sincere or show loyaly. You can bet a millon dollars that Michael would NEVER have done that to Janet or any other family member who was deceased or living. He was that classy AND loyal.

I didn't want to come in here but clapping PREACH!!!!!

Just further shows that MJ had no one he could really trust not even his own family. Sad.

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Reply #82 posted 12/06/11 4:45pm

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Free2BMe said:

V10LETBLUES said:

I know you have seen this ABC News interview, Janet sounds very sincere. MJ wasn't the only one in denial it seems.

Yes, I saw the interview and it made me sick to my stomach. The problem I had with her "revelation" is that Michael had just been murdered. Her revelation had NOTHING to do with the FACT that Conrad Murray was the one RESPONSIBLE for Michael's death. Michael did NOT die of a self-induced overdose. Janet had no right, and neither did anyone else in that family, to say that Mchael was in denial or anything else. Janet has never spoken of her ex-husbands HEROIN addiction. Even IF Michael did have a problem, Janet had NO RIGHT to say that since he was no longer her to defend himself. It was self-serving, IMO. Her brother was MURDERED. The media abd public picked up on this crap because members of the Jackson family, except Jermaine, just sit back and ALLOWED the media to portray Michael as an "addict" and even added to the negativity. What family has EVER done that. especially, to a family member who is the most famous person in the world? It just isn't done. FTW, I do NOT think that Janet was sincere in that interview. IMO, she seemed to relish saying that Michael was in denial. Why speak of Michael in so much detail after he was dead, when she didn't even want to speak of him when he was alive. Finally, she called into my local radio station to promote her GH album, right after Michael died, and she told the DJ's not to even mention Michael's name. However, a week or so later, she goes on National TV and basically calls her deceased brother an "addict". There's something wrong with that picture and it doesn't look sincere or show loyaly. You can bet a millon dollars that Michael would NEVER have done that to Janet or any other family member who was deceased or living. He was that classy AND loyal.

Probably the best post youve ever written, I AGREE

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Reply #83 posted 12/06/11 4:48pm

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kibbles said:

free, you'll never convince some people that mj was not responsible for his death, and the family is to blame.

in spite of the fact that the various witnesses who were around mj at the time, e.g., nurse lee, lou ferrigno, tai chase say that they never ever witnessed drug taking (visits to dr. klein notwithstanding), some people will believe janet b/c she 'sounds sincere'. janet saw mj at a family gathering in may '09 and hadn't seen him for four years prior to that. if she was so 'sincere', she would have talked about that fact. whatever she thought was going on in mj's life wasn't based on her direct knowledge, only hearsay.

personally, i believe janet and some other family members were out saying these things when mj first died b/c they thought there was a possibility to challenge his will. if they could make the case that mj wasn't in his right mind, that he was a long-term, hardcore addict at the time of his signing of the will, they could nullify it and try to gain control of the estate. i notice for example, that latoya is no longer saying that mj was as addict; why?

in the coming year, mj's med records are going to come into play in two lawsuits, one involving aeg and one involving his insurance company. i expect that the records will confirm what mj's autopsy already has: that he was in very good health for a man his age, and there was no indication of drug abuse. it's very easy to go on t.v. and tell a 'sincere' story; it's a whole other thing to sit on a witness stand and defend it under cross examination. five will get you a hundred that janet will be conveniently out of the country when these cases come to trial.

Thank You! It's amazing how some people have collective amnesia or collective stupidity when it comes to telling the truth or HEARING the truth about Michael. I am always astounded at just how willing people are to believe the worst about Michael when the FACTS are presented and basically kick them in the ass. Still, these same people blindly believe what Janet and others members of that family say without even listening, looking or reading the detailed facts and truth. It's sad that people can be so gullible. The records afe there for them to see and they CHOOSE to ignore them and believe the lies, half-truths of Janet( and others in that family) just because SHE says it is so. There is no way in hell that she would say that in front of someone who is KNOWLEDGEABLE(the media is not) and who would challenge her on her lies(the media will not). Janet knows that some(most) in the public and media will not challenge her half-truths. That is the very reason that she gets away with it. She is supposed to be the so-called "normal" Jackson. LOL!

^ This post has redeemed yourself in my eyes. Well done! clapping

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Reply #84 posted 12/06/11 4:52pm

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The Jacksons dont need his restitution.

Financilly they don't, but it's not about the money. At first, I was of the opinion that Michael brought what happened to him on himself until the facts of the case come out in court. What made me real sick and gave me goosebumps (I was close to tears and I'm by no means a Michael fan) was the voice mail message of an obviously seriously fucked up Michael "speaking" to his doctor about the show. Conrad was a sick motherfucker out for the money with no respect for his profession. A doctor should be saving lives not enableing a patient to end theirs. The lawsuit is about him turning his pockets out and being left with nothing by lint as a reminder of how badly he fucked up in this life.

[Edited 12/6/11 16:54pm]

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Reply #85 posted 12/06/11 4:54pm

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dreamfactory313 said:

The Jacksons dont need his restitution.

Financilly they don't, but it's not about the money. At first, I was of the opinion that Michael brought what happened to him on himself then I started watching the facts of the case come out in court. What made me real sick and gave me goosebumps (I was close to tears and I'm by no means a Michael fan) was the voice mail message of an obviously seriously fucked up Michael "speaking" to his doctor about the show. Conrad was a sick motherfucker out for the money with no respect for his profession. A doctor should be saving lives not enableing a patient to end theirs. The lawsuit is about him turning his pockets out and being left with nothing by lint as a reminder of how badly he fucked up in this life.

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Reply #86 posted 12/06/11 7:47pm

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dseann said:

dreamfactory313 said:

The Jacksons dont need his restitution.

Financilly they don't, but it's not about the money. At first, I was of the opinion that Michael brought what happened to him on himself until the facts of the case come out in court. What made me real sick and gave me goosebumps (I was close to tears and I'm by no means a Michael fan) was the voice mail message of an obviously seriously fucked up Michael "speaking" to his doctor about the show. Conrad was a sick motherfucker out for the money with no respect for his profession. A doctor should be saving lives not enableing a patient to end theirs. The lawsuit is about him turning his pockets out and being left with nothing by lint as a reminder of how badly he fucked up in this life.

[Edited 12/6/11 16:54pm]

I just want to say that the voice mail that the MURDERER, Conrad Murray, recorded of Michael was him being under the influence of Propofol. That son-of-a-bitch recorded Michael as he was falling asleep from an anethesia. Does anyone remember when Michael said "I am asleep" at the end of the recording? I recognized immediately that Michael was NOT under some influence of "drugs". That MF'er Conrad Murray recorded MJ as he was going asleep from Propofol. Of course, the media and other morons portrayed this to mean that Michael was a "drug addict". Again, the toxicology reports presented IN COURT stated that there were NO DRUGS in Michael's system other than what the murderer gave him. FTR, that is NOT the sign of an "addict", as Jermaine as stated every single time that he has done an interview. Remember, Michael was getting Propofol to get "high". He was trying to GO TO SLEEP(insomnia). It's called common sense and rational thinking. Think people. It really IS that easy to see the manipulation of facts.

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Reply #87 posted 12/06/11 7:55pm

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I won't go into the janet thing because I feel Janet (and marlon) were the main siblings that did give a damn about Michael at the end of the day. They know their brother we don't know eveything I wished michael made better decisions and that doctor is a piece of shit i'll leave it at that.

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Reply #88 posted 12/06/11 8:23pm

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babybugz said:

I won't go into the janet thing because I feel Janet (and marlon) were the main siblings that did give a damn about Michael at the end of the day. They know their brother we don't know eveything I wished michael made better decisions and that doctor is a piece of shit i'll leave it at that.

Based on her inaccurate statements and inconsistency she PROVED that she didnt really know what was going on NONE of them did... it has been made CLEAR after Michaels passing the Jackson Family were not close at all..JUST because she is related to Michael doesnt JUSTIFY her behavior and comments in those interviews regarding Michaels passing. If she was SOOO close she would have taken the time to exactly READ the autospy report INSTEAD of foolishly insinuating Michael passed away because of prescription medication.. something that had NOTHING to do with why and how he passed away.

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Reply #89 posted 12/06/11 8:29pm

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babybugz said:

I won't go into the janet thing because I feel Janet (and marlon) were the main siblings that did give a damn about Michael at the end of the day. They know their brother we don't know eveything I wished michael made better decisions and that doctor is a piece of shit i'll leave it at that.

Based on her inaccurate statements and inconsistency she PROVED that she didnt really know what was going on NONE of them did... it has been made CLEAR after Michaels passing the Jackson Family were not close at all..JUST because she is related to Michael doesnt JUSTIFY her behavior and comments in those interviews regarding Michaels passing. If she was SOOO close she would have taken the time to exactly READ the autospy report INSTEAD of foolishly insinuating Michael passed away because of prescription medication.. something that had NOTHING to do with why and how he passed away.

Did I say all that? No .. and at the end of the day that is her brother she has a right to comment on whatever concerning him. All I said is that out of everyone Janet and Marlon always showed love to michael and I respect them for that I don't have to agree with everything but it's clear they loved their brother. Now for the Jacksons as a whole don't get me started lol but I moved on from their B.S just wish the best for his children that's it.

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