Chancellor said:

mjscarousal said:

Wasnt he a great judge? Just awesome

That Judge said everything I was thinking and feeling. Dr. Murray mourned for Michael about 5-minutes after he realized he was dead then went into "cover-up" over-drive. His fear is understandable but his constant lies and finger-pointing just dug him in deeper and deeper. Had he shown an OUNCE of remorse I would feel a little bit different about him but he never gave a Damn about anything...I don't feel sorry for him at all and no one should. He had that Nasty-ass look on his face in the court room and could care-less about the restitution trial and didn't hesitate to say he didn't want to be there. I hope the judge orders him to pay the Jackson estate everything that he has left that is worth selling...

Let this be a lesson to ALL the private "Doctors to the Stars" if you allow Greed to cloud your better judgement you might lose your freedom.

PatrickS77 said:

dreamfactory313 said:

The Jacksons dont need his restitution.

Again! Not the point! I might not agree with the amount he should pay, but he should pay. He caused the death of a person.

Yep. I think tge point is that when he gets released he shouldn't have the ability to make any money from publicity that may come his way. Any restitution order will make sure of that.

Ellie said:

PatrickS77 said:

Again! Not the point! I might not agree with the amount he should pay, but he should pay. He caused the death of a person.

Yep. I think tge point is that when he gets released he shouldn't have the ability to make any money from publicity that may come his way. Any restitution order will make sure of that.

N I would be fine with that, but 100,000,000 is such a large amount that Murray has no other choice but to do a book/ talk show and whatever else to even put a dent in the fine. The fine should be atleast practicial for Murray to be able to pay it off and still atleast be able to afford food, shelter and clothing. Granted this is something that Stans dont want to see but it should be fair.

Though the fine wont be heard till January in another portion of this trial.

PatrickS77 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

if that's the case then go after AEG instead of murray cause i understand the reason for damages but let's be real, the jackson estate could have affored the funeral cost it's not like mj was a middle class citizen´

Now that's not really the point, isn't it?? Besides, it's not the family asking for 100 mil, it's the DA asking for the family to get rewarded that amount.

I think that's just symbolic anyway. There is no way he can pay that... he probably will already have a problem paying 50k.

I'm glad he got sentenced for 4 years though... but at the end of the day... it won't change a thing, it won't bring Michael back and people are asses... they believe what they want to believe... regardless of facts, verdicts and sentence

yeah that's what the defense team said about that amount but another hearing will be held in january about this

Fellow orgers, how much are you willing to bet that Conrad will NOT served the entire 4 years max in prison?

I still have a bad feeling that THIS dude might get parole in 2 years for good behavior.

PatrickS77 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

if that's the case then go after AEG instead of murray cause i understand the reason for damages but let's be real, the jackson estate could have affored the funeral cost it's not like mj was a middle class citizen´

Now that's not really the point, isn't it?? Besides, it's not the family asking for 100 mil, it's the DA asking for the family to get rewarded that amount.

I think that's just symbolic anyway. There is no way he can pay that... he probably will already have a problem paying 50k.

I'm glad he got sentenced for 4 years though... but at the end of the day... it won't change a thing, it won't bring Michael back and people are asses... they believe what they want to believe... regardless of facts, verdicts and sentences.

The ruling will not bring Michael back. But it will finally make people think real hard about the so many evils within the entertainment industry. Doctors being a bunch of greedy drug dealers with MDs & PhDs is definitely one of those evils.

I liked MJ...but it was his own weakness that he could not control and the circle around him that let the enabler Conrad Murray get to him....sadly he died because of it.... But when are people going to realize that MJ had a MAJOR drug problem he could not shake...

all these people say they all want "justice"...he was tried...convicted...and will go to jail... what more do they want??

lazycrockett said:

Ellie said:

Yep. I think tge point is that when he gets released he shouldn't have the ability to make any money from publicity that may come his way. Any restitution order will make sure of that.

N I would be fine with that, but 100,000,000 is such a large amount that Murray has no other choice but to do a book/ talk show and whatever else to even put a dent in the fine. The fine should be atleast practicial for Murray to be able to pay it off and still atleast be able to afford food, shelter and clothing. Granted this is something that Stans dont want to see but it should be fair.

Though the fine wont be heard till January in another portion of this trial.

did you feel this way when the civil jury assessed that $33 million on o.j. simpson? i'm guessing the thought never entered your mind. like every one else, you were likely cheering the fact that justice was "finally" served.

was o.j. ever going to be able to pay the goldmans and browns? no. did he even actually pay them? no, not really. but there is a principle involved here that you seem to be oh so willing to overlook: this is not about MURRAY, it's about mj and his children in particular and what they've lost. as far as i know, the judge is not a 'stan'.

restitution is based on the legitimate losses incurred, including what the deceased was capable of generating in income during his lifetime, which is why the judge has has asked the pros for more info about how they arrived at that figure. it's perfectly lawful and FAIR. everyone is supposed

to be equal under the law, so why should the fact that mj was a wealthy man count against him insofar as murray's ability to pay is concerned? if mj was worth $100million then so be it.

you're sooooo 'concerned' about poor conrad murray, that he'll be living on the street in a cardboard box, are you? not only is your sentiment misplaced, it's not even realistic. even in bankruptcy you're allowed to maintain certain assets and a standard of living. murray won't be living on the street, any more than o.j. was, so you can rest easy.

finally, who would fucking give murray a talk show? or front him the money for a book? that so-called documentary was barely watched, and like the time o.j. tried to market his book, murray's would be shut down due to the public outcry, too. you act as though this man would be welcomed in the public like some sort of hero. he might have to make some choices as to how to earn money, but having talk show/book deal is not one of those choices.

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Finally! I slept in today and woke up to this. Though it's good news and a relief, it's also sad.

I don't feel sorry for him.

Call your hoes collect from jail.

Play with your own instrument buddy!

Like the Judge I always wondered why Murray recorded Jackson in such a drugged up state, that never made sense to me. Was he trying to Blackmail MJ? MJ had deep problems there is no doubt about that. And if it weren't Murray adminstrating him with drugs it would have probably been another doctor, however has a Doctor you are alway going to be held to a higher level of responsiblity. and therefore Murray should have at least invested in some decent equipment whilst putting MJ under the influence of propofol. I think it is just a sad situation for everyone involved.

avasdad said:

I liked MJ...but it was his own weakness that he could not control and the circle around him that let the enabler Conrad Murray get to him....sadly he died because of it.... But when are people going to realize that MJ had a MAJOR drug problem he could not shake...

all these people say they all want "justice"...he was tried...convicted...and will go to jail... what more do they want??

TonyVanDam said:

Fellow orgers, how much are you willing to bet that Conrad will NOT served the entire 4 years max in prison?

I still have a bad feeling that THIS dude might get parole in 2 years for good behavior.

I think he is going to serve the max and do some time for this...you can bet on it...his being made into an example and is associated with the death of Michael Jackson... Oh yea he is going to serve ALL those years

Did you hear the judge today? I thought I was in church... preach on pastor!!!!

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whatsgoingon said:

Like the Judge I always wondered why Murray recorded Jackson in such a drugged up state, that never made sense to me. Was he trying to Blackmail MJ? MJ had deep problems there is no doubt about that. And if it weren't Murray adminstrating him with drugs it would have probably been another doctor, however has a Doctor you are alway going to be held to a higher level of responsiblity. and therefore Murray should have at least invested in some decent equipment whilst putting MJ under the influence of propofol. I think it is just a sad situation for everyone involved.

did you listen to the judge's entire speech, because that is exactly what he said. he said the tape was an insurance policy, that he had no doubt that murray had plans to sell it to the media. i, and many others on this board said the same thing weeks ago. this 'doctor' had asked for $5 million for his 'services'. although he settled for less from mj directly, he could have gotten something for that tape or blackmailed mj for money down the road to keep it secret. in his police interview and in that doc, he showed nothing but the utmost contempt for mj, so i am convinced the judge was ab-so-lute-ly correct.

whatsgoingon said:

Like the Judge I always wondered why Murray recorded Jackson in such a drugged up state, that never made sense to me. Was he trying to Blackmail MJ? MJ had deep problems there is no doubt about that. And if it weren't Murray adminstrating him with drugs it would have probably been another doctor, however has a Doctor you are alway going to be held to a higher level of responsiblity. and therefore Murray should have at least invested in some decent equipment whilst putting MJ under the influence of propofol. I think it is just a sad situation for everyone involved.

I'll leave it up to other fellow conspiracy researchers to answer that one. I can't go there today, believe me.

mjscarousal said:

TonyVanDam said:

Fellow orgers, how much are you willing to bet that Conrad will NOT served the entire 4 years max in prison?

I still have a bad feeling that THIS dude might get parole in 2 years for good behavior.

I think he is going to serve the max and do some time for this...you can bet on it...his being made into an example and is associated with the death of Michael Jackson... Oh yea he is going to serve ALL those years

Did you hear the judge today? I thought I was in church... preach on pastor!!!!

[Edited 11/29/11 20:48pm]

I heard what the judge said. But the American Justice System has too many flaws for me to be 100% convince that Conrad will stay lock-up for the entire 4 years.

If I'm wrong, then that is great news. Otherwise, I still have my doubts and for good reasons.

kibbles said:

whatsgoingon said:

Like the Judge I always wondered why Murray recorded Jackson in such a drugged up state, that never made sense to me. Was he trying to Blackmail MJ? MJ had deep problems there is no doubt about that. And if it weren't Murray adminstrating him with drugs it would have probably been another doctor, however has a Doctor you are alway going to be held to a higher level of responsiblity. and therefore Murray should have at least invested in some decent equipment whilst putting MJ under the influence of propofol. I think it is just a sad situation for everyone involved.

did you listen to the judge's entire speech, because that is exactly what he said. he said the tape was an insurance policy, that he had no doubt that murray had plans to sell it to the media. i, and many others on this board said the same thing weeks ago. this 'doctor' had asked for $5 million for his 'services'. although he settled for less from mj directly, he could have gotten something for that tape or blackmailed mj for money down the road to keep it secret. in his police interview and in that doc, he showed nothing but the utmost contempt for mj, so i am convinced the judge was ab-so-lute-ly correct.

I didn't even have to watch what the judge said to determine why Murray taped him. It's real simple.

Well, I am glad that justice was served and he was served the whole 4 years. I do not know if The Jacksons will be persuing a civil case against him, but all in all, I still find it all to be bittersweet. Even though some people here and elsewhere lacked sense, the jury and judge did not.

If Conrad or anyone else truly thought that he was going to be found anything other than guilty...welll... =/

Timmy84 said:

kibbles said:

did you listen to the judge's entire speech, because that is exactly what he said. he said the tape was an insurance policy, that he had no doubt that murray had plans to sell it to the media. i, and many others on this board said the same thing weeks ago. this 'doctor' had asked for $5 million for his 'services'. although he settled for less from mj directly, he could have gotten something for that tape or blackmailed mj for money down the road to keep it secret. in his police interview and in that doc, he showed nothing but the utmost contempt for mj, so i am convinced the judge was ab-so-lute-ly correct.

I didn't even have to watch what the judge said to determine why Murray taped him. It's real simple.

yep. i mean, what other reason could there have been? none, just none.

whatsgoingon said:

MJ had deep problems there is no doubt about that.

The only problem he had was a prejudicing world condemning and accusing him twice of child molestation and thus shattering an innocent man's life. Everything else could have been dealt with.

PatrickS77 said:

whatsgoingon said:

MJ had deep problems there is no doubt about that.

The only problem he had was a prejudicing world condemning and accusing him twice of child molestation and thus shattering an innocent man's life. Everything else could have been dealt with.

I know

It's not funny and though I'm sad, when my mom brought it up, I started laughing and called conrad a motherfucker in our language and said 4 years....hey it sounds funny if it's not in English and I sound Canadian saying a non Canadian word

I just got around to watching the sentencing...like I said before, this judge ain't no slouch. He gave a very detailed account of why he threw the book at Murray and I doubt he will be overturned on appeal. Pity that he's not able to make Murray do the whole 4 yrs behind bars.

And for the record, he has not ordered 100 million in restitution yet...a hearing is set in Jan. to determine the amount because the judge says he needs a lot more detail to determine the amount to be paid.

I'm surprised that people haven't said more about that bizarre documentary. Especially the weird part where Murray claims to have been visited by the Holy Spirit and told that he would be taken care of,

I wonder if this alleged "visit" occurred before or after he left the strip club??? Hmmm.

The documentary even shows how incompetent and uncoordinated his defense team was. Between their lack of skill and Murray's state of denial the whole thing is a hot mess.

I hope that other "Hollywood" docs get the message loud and clear.

^ I doubt all of them would but I do think a good portion are certainly re-thinking their options.

"If it happened to Conrad, it could happen to me" is probably what some money-whoring "doctors" are thinking now when treating celebs and I'm sure celebs in turn are thinking they could've been in Michael's predicament: "if it happened to Michael, it could happen to me so lemme be careful..."

It's not a shock he'd be out of prison after two years but it was either that or probation so I'm glad it was the 4 years even if he does get out on parole in 2 years for "good behavior". I'm not shocked about that part at all. It's almost a guarantee he'd be released within two years. Least he's in a cell and he won't be looked on as any respectful doctor after this. Like Kelly Osbourne said, he'll be forever known as "the man who killed Michael Jackson". Not a good record.

Timmy84 said:

^ I doubt all of them would but I do think a good portion are certainly re-thinking their options.

"If it happened to Conrad, it could happen to me" is probably what some money-whoring "doctors" are thinking now when treating celebs and I'm sure celebs in turn are thinking they could've been in Michael's predicament: "if it happened to Michael, it could happen to me so lemme be careful..."

It's not a shock he'd be out of prison after two years but it was either that or probation so I'm glad it was the 4 years even if he does get out on parole in 2 years for "good behavior". I'm not shocked about that part at all. It's almost a guarantee he'd be released within two years. Least he's in a cell and he won't be looked on as any respectful doctor after this. Like Kelly Osbourne said, he'll be forever known as "the man who killed Michael Jackson". Not a good record.

Agreed. At any rate, jail could be the safest place for Murray right about now with plenty of time to reflect on his predicament.

Timmy84 said:

^ I doubt all of them would but I do think a good portion are certainly re-thinking their options.

"If it happened to Conrad, it could happen to me" is probably what some money-whoring "doctors" are thinking now when treating celebs and I'm sure celebs in turn are thinking they could've been in Michael's predicament: "if it happened to Michael, it could happen to me so lemme be careful..."

It's not a shock he'd be out of prison after two years but it was either that or probation so I'm glad it was the 4 years even if he does get out on parole in 2 years for "good behavior". I'm not shocked about that part at all. It's almost a guarantee he'd be released within two years. Least he's in a cell and he won't be looked on as any respectful doctor after this. Like Kelly Osbourne said, he'll be forever known as "the man who killed Michael Jackson". Not a good record.

Naw the majority of doctors doing this are like Klein who know how to cover their tracks. Murray got nailed cause hes was an amateur.

As with the 2 years, he should be out in maybe 2 months and I think once the hubbub dies down he will be. If this was bout a non celebrity Murray would have gotten prohibition off the bat. If Murray does have to serve 2 years in county it really goes to show how unjust the system is. If Murray had been convicted of involuntary manslaughter of George Jackson he would have walked. Everyone should be equal in the eyes of justice. Thats why shes blind.

Awaits the stans reactions.

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Not his first offence.

^acquitted. N just be wary of bring up past trials.

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