ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

LMFAO! EVIL ass!

I missed you two jokers! Hell i missed all y'all!....

Missed you too, girl.

jn2 said:

Militant said:

Exactly.

If Paul wanted them that bad, he could have outbid Michael. He was just too cheap to do so.

He thought he didn't have to pay so much something that he has created (with Lennon) and that didn't excuse his "friend" for stabbing him in the back.

Michael told Paul up front he was gonna buy it. Michael had bought Sly Stone's publishing catalog months prior and when the Northern Songs catalog came up, Michael went for it and Paul knew it because there were about 3 or 4 people trying to acquire it. Paul had time to put his bid in but he never did. The whole story of the Michael buying it in 1985 is in a book about the Beatles... I can't remember the name of it right now (I'll check Google in a minute)

And they were still friends after Michael bought it. Their friendship crumbled between 1987-89 when Michael started licensing Beatles songs to companies for the commercials like Nike using Revolution

bboy87 said:

jn2 said:

He thought he didn't have to pay so much something that he has created (with Lennon) and that didn't excuse his "friend" for stabbing him in the back.

Michael told Paul up front he was gonna buy it. Michael had bought Sly Stone's publishing catalog months prior and when the Northern Songs catalog came up, Michael went for it and Paul knew it because there were about 3 or 4 people trying to acquire it. Paul had time to put his bid in but he never did. The whole story of the Michael buying it in 1985 is in a book about the Beatles... I can't remember the name of it right now (I'll check Google in a minute)

And they were still friends after Michael bought it. Their friendship crumbled between 1987-89 when Michael started licensing Beatles songs to companies for the commercials like Nike using Revolution

Exactly. Paul didn't mind Michael getting the catalog but when it came to that part, that's when Paul stopped talking to Michael. I don't know if he's still bitter about that part since it was about 24 years after the fact. A part of me wished they had talked it over but like Paul's relationship with John Lennon, he never got to fully heal that friendship either.

Timmy84 said:

bboy87 said:

Michael told Paul up front he was gonna buy it. Michael had bought Sly Stone's publishing catalog months prior and when the Northern Songs catalog came up, Michael went for it and Paul knew it because there were about 3 or 4 people trying to acquire it. Paul had time to put his bid in but he never did. The whole story of the Michael buying it in 1985 is in a book about the Beatles... I can't remember the name of it right now (I'll check Google in a minute)

And they were still friends after Michael bought it. Their friendship crumbled between 1987-89 when Michael started licensing Beatles songs to companies for the commercials like Nike using Revolution

Exactly. Paul didn't mind Michael getting the catalog but when it came to that part, that's when Paul stopped talking to Michael. I don't know if he's still bitter about that part since it was about 24 years after the fact. A part of me wished they had talked it over but like Paul's relationship with John Lennon, he never got to fully heal that friendship either.

They still had to do business together, but the friendship was severely affected. This is from either 1988 or 1989

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But when they talk about Michael "stealing" the Beatles songs, what about the other songs in the ATV catalog? The ATV catalog had a lot more other artists and it wasn't just the Lennon-McCartney songs. Did Michael steal those songs too?

bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

Exactly. Paul didn't mind Michael getting the catalog but when it came to that part, that's when Paul stopped talking to Michael. I don't know if he's still bitter about that part since it was about 24 years after the fact. A part of me wished they had talked it over but like Paul's relationship with John Lennon, he never got to fully heal that friendship either.

They still had to do business together, but the friendship was severely affected. This is from either 1988 or 1989

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But when they talk about Michael "stealing" the Beatles songs, what about the other songs in the ATV catalog? The ATV catalog had a lot more other artists and it wasn't just the Lennon-McCartney songs. Did Michael steal those songs too?

The media only focused on the Beatles that they seemed entirely illiterate that there were more songs in the catalog.

MJ's daughter Paris is supposedly tweeting back and forth with some pedophile right now.

This is how U2 are celebrating the 20th Anniversary of Utung Baby - released a week before Dangerous.

Sony are you listening....

Swa said:

This is how U2 are celebrating the 20th Anniversary of Utung Baby - released a week before Dangerous.

Sony are you listening....

All I can say is keep dreaming. Michael never gets this kind of respect as an artist. The best we can hope for is a 2 disc edition with some Soulja Boy remixes and some new Jason Malachi tracks on the 2nd disc. I hate to say race plays an issue but...

mookie said:

MJ's daughter Paris is supposedly tweeting back and forth with some pedophile right now.

What are you talking about? How do you know that the person is a paedophile?

dag said:

mookie said:

MJ's daughter Paris is supposedly tweeting back and forth with some pedophile right now.

What are you talking about? How do you know that the person is a paedophile?

He's saying that he doesn't like to sleep lonely so he wants to sleep with her.

jn2 said:

He thought he didn't have to pay so much something that he has created (with Lennon) and that didn't excuse his "friend" for stabbing him in the back.

Michael told him that he was gonna get the catalog, so he didn't betray him.If Paul wanted, he could have bought the damn thing,but for some reason he didn't. By the way did you know that MJ gave to Little Richard the right of his music back. Did Paul ever do that with the music that he bought? Nope. Double standarts much?

bboy87 said:

Michael told Paul up front he was gonna buy it. Michael had bought Sly Stone's publishing catalog months prior and when the Northern Songs catalog came up, Michael went for it and Paul knew it because there were about 3 or 4 people trying to acquire it. Paul had time to put his bid in but he never did. The whole story of the Michael buying it in 1985 is in a book about the Beatles... I can't remember the name of it right now (I'll check Google in a minute)

And they were still friends after Michael bought it. Their friendship crumbled between 1987-89 when Michael started licensing Beatles songs to companies for the commercials like Nike using Revolution

I think MJ asked the permission of Joko Ono for that and she agreed for the use of the song.

Anyway. Paul McCartney used to buy the rights of other artists music for years.He was the one that introduced Michael do that business. Why doesn't anyone say that McCartney "stole" the songs of all those artists? Yeah, i think we pretty much know why.

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smoothcriminal12 said:

dag said:

What are you talking about? How do you know that the person is a paedophile?

He's saying that he doesn't like to sleep lonely so he wants to sleep with her.

It has to be some sort of joke. I hope someone does something and quick..

See..this is why Michael isolated his kids from these muhfukkas!

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

He's saying that he doesn't like to sleep lonely so he wants to sleep with her.

It has to be some sort of joke. I hope someone does something and quick..

See..this is why Michael isolated his kids from these muhfukkas!

Exactly. After the death, everything Michael raised them on and how he taught them was basically thrown out the window.

What are your thoughts on "Morphine" today?

I was listening to this track the other day for the first time since the 90's, & it kind of made me sad listening to it. Was MJ dropping clues this far back? the whole "Demerol" part is pretty creepy to listen to now days imo.....

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Unholyalliance said:

I'm a little confused. How did MJ backstab Paul by buying Nothern Lights? He told him to his face that he was going to buy HIS songs didn't he? It's not really his fault that Paul:

1. Didn't believe him.

2. Didn't take up the offer to buy back his rights when offered the chance.

3. Try to get Michael to sell them back to him for a much cheaper price.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't there other bidders that were looking to buy them? Isn't it better that someone, they knew, bought them rather than some stranger? Why don't people call Paul a backstabber for owning the rights to the music of others? Wtf? Had MJ been a white man who bought the Beatles catalog would people be making that big of a deal about it? I don't get why so many people are so fucking butthurt about it. It's not as if any of us laymen are being financially affected by it maybe besides if one of the songs licensed out sells a product that could, possibly, mean more business for all companies innvloved, including employees. I mean, big deal fucking deal. Why so butthurt about it?!

Completely agree.

And lol at the bolded.

Tittypants said:

What are your thoughts on "Morphine" today?

I was listening to this track the other day for the first time since the 90's, & it kind of made me sad listening to it. Was MJ dropping clues this far back? the whole "Demerol" part is pretty creepy to listen to now days imo.....

I fucking love this song. It's in my top 5 favorite MJ songs. It really gives me an insight into his world. Like, the whole song is his life with no Demerol. It's crazy, chaotic, people are bitching and complaining about shit to him. Yet, when he takes the Demerol...it's like a totally different world. It's nice, quiet, soothing, relaxing. Feels good. Then when the effects wear off we're thrown right back into the chaos of his life again.

What's best about this song, imo, is that he's not preaching about whether or not drugs are good or bad to take. He is just telling us how they affected him. It's like I can empathize with him on why he was taking that one in particular. His ability to convey ideas and emotions like that in such a manner is one of the things I really loved about his songwriting and why, I prefer a lot of his later work.

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mjforever said:

WildStyle said:

Swa said:

This is how U2 are celebrating the 20th Anniversary of Utung Baby - released a week before Dangerous.

Sony are you listening....

All I can say is keep dreaming. Michael never gets this kind of respect as an artist. The best we can hope for is a 2 disc edition with some Soulja Boy remixes and some new Jason Malachi tracks on the 2nd disc. I hate to say race plays an issue but...

i COMPLETELY agree with you, instead of having all those kanye west will i am ect tracks on thriller 25th they should have made a nice little box set with unreleased tracks that didn't make it on thriller.. and honestly i rather hear raw demos of michaels recordings than edited sometimes mj some times jason tracks! sony, all i ask is you periodically release MOST if not ALL 80+ hours of this is it, you give us unreleased MICHAEL JACKSON songs, and maybe a nice extravagant box set every now and again.. releasing a victory show and a bad show is also a great idea!! do you think this will ever happen? probably not

Swa said:

This is how U2 are celebrating the 20th Anniversary of Utung Baby - released a week before Dangerous.

Sony are you listening....

This is really nice. I don't get why Sony wouldn't do something like this for MJ's albums.

Tittypants said:

What are your thoughts on "Morphine" today?

I was listening to this track the other day for the first time since the 90's, & it kind of made me sad listening to it. Was MJ dropping clues this far back? the whole "Demerol" part is pretty creepy to listen to now days imo.....

I love the song, you can hear the Nine Inch Nails influence (Michael was listening to Downward Spiral when he was recording HIStory).

The song isn't preachy at all. In fact, it uses personifies Morphine. After hearing it again back in '08 or early 2009, it sounded like the song comes from the drug's point of view

You're a horrible person, everyone's around you is worthless, but it'll be all better if you give in to me

WOW

"Morphine" is deep and raw!

To this day Morphine remains one of my personal faves. It is hard hitting and complex. It is seductive and filled with anger in the same breath. It showcases a side of Michael we hadnt seen both lyrically and musically.

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Unholyalliance said:

I'm a little confused. How did MJ backstab Paul by buying Nothern Lights? He told him to his face that he was going to buy HIS songs didn't he? It's not really his fault that Paul:

1. Didn't believe him.

2. Didn't take up the offer to buy back his rights when offered the chance.

3. Try to get Michael to sell them back to him for a much cheaper price.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't there other bidders that were looking to buy them? Isn't it better that someone, they knew, bought them rather than some stranger? Why don't people call Paul a backstabber for owning the rights to the music of others? Wtf? Had MJ been a white man who bought the Beatles catalog would people be making that big of a deal about it? I don't get why so many people are so fucking butthurt about it. It's not as if any of us laymen are being financially affected by it maybe besides if one of the songs licensed out sells a product that could, possibly, mean more business for all companies invloved, including employees. I mean, big deal fucking deal. Why so butthurt about it?!

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Oh, please.

If the situation was reversed and Paul had done the exact same thing to MJ, you'd be sitting there wishing McCartney would die or something. I'm an MJ fan myself, but I'm not so far gone that I can't call some of MJ's more fucked up, unscrupulous choices, exactly what they are.

At the end of the day, you don't put business before a friendship and buy your friends work right out from under them, whether you warned them you would do it or not. There's some things you just don't do. I think MJ got his own bullshit right back though when Sony bent him over and pumped him a few times around the time of Invincible's release.

All business is a little unscrupulous. That's just how it is.

armpit said:

Unholyalliance said:

I'm a little confused. How did MJ backstab Paul by buying Nothern Lights? He told him to his face that he was going to buy HIS songs didn't he? It's not really his fault that Paul:

1. Didn't believe him.

2. Didn't take up the offer to buy back his rights when offered the chance.

3. Try to get Michael to sell them back to him for a much cheaper price.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't there other bidders that were looking to buy them? Isn't it better that someone, they knew, bought them rather than some stranger? Why don't people call Paul a backstabber for owning the rights to the music of others? Wtf? Had MJ been a white man who bought the Beatles catalog would people be making that big of a deal about it? I don't get why so many people are so fucking butthurt about it. It's not as if any of us laymen are being financially affected by it maybe besides if one of the songs licensed out sells a product that could, possibly, mean more business for all companies invloved, including employees. I mean, big deal fucking deal. Why so butthurt about it?!

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Oh, please.

If the situation was reversed and Paul had done the exact same thing to MJ, you'd be sitting there wishing McCartney would die or something. I'm an MJ fan myself, but I'm not so far gone that I can't call some of MJ's more fucked up, unscrupulous choices, exactly what they are.

At the end of the day, you don't put business before a friendship and buy your friends work right out from under them, whether you warned them you would do it or not. There's some things you just don't do. I think MJ got his own bullshit right back though when Sony bent him over and pumped him a few times around the time of Invincible's release.

I gotta disagree, if roles were reverse, I'd feel the same way about it, it's business. Michael and Branca were up front about it.

I don't think it was fucked up at all, in fact I think it was a great business decision. He had bought Sly Stone's catalog in 1983 and then he went for ATV. Like I said before, that catalog had more than just the Lennon-McCartney tracks. I could see if it was just the Beatles songs alone, but it was a huge catalog when MJ got it in '85

and like I and others have already said, Michael didn't "buy it from under" Paul. Michael started to pursue it in '83 and the deal was finalized in April 1985 and there were other people going after it. Michael had the highest bid and he acquired it

Paul wasn't surprised by Michael buying it either. He knew all along about the sale and declined to buy it. Their friendship didn't crumble until Michael started letting companies use the songs for commercials, which pissed Paul off