ViintageJunkiie said:

I think Michael at one time had a drug problem.. Morphine

I cannot imagine every being in Michael's shoes.. The accusations, the media, he was only human. I don't know how he did it.

I do think that Dr. Murray was well aware of the sleep, anti anxiety medicines that Michael was taking.

Dr. Murray was also very aware of the risk he was taking by giving propofol in a non medical facility.. And he was aware that Michael was under propofol when he left for 47 minutes... It was his responsibility to stay with Michael.. he didn't, Michael died... Murray is very resposible.

ViintageJunkiie said:

I don't think you see the bigger picture that me and some folks are talking about, MJ was Murdered, Mj was man with dignity.....

1- First they made him the biggest star In history (during that time they sucked his blood to the extreme

2- After few years when they tried to get rid of him, they conspired against him, child molestation bullshit, the most horrible murder ever to destroy his image)

3-when the first conspiracy didn't work, they accused him again, a second conspiracy, but his innocence acquitted him, i have followed the case, he was innocent , period.

4-when they saw that all the conspiracies were really in vain, selling out 50 shows in 4 hours, they killed him, to get rid of him and to suck his blood even more in his death….


And before anyone jumps on “you believe in conspiracies “ bandwagon, I believe what I believe, I’m 100% sure that my idol was murdered, and that fucking doctor should be in Jail, he is reckless , bastard and murderer.

seeingvoices12 said:[quote]

ViintageJunkiie said:

1. Read his autopsy report. He was NOT a drug addict.
2. The other drugs Michael was taking are anesthetics and are, usually, used along with Propofol. They avoid body addiction and resistance.
3. Janet said Michael was "in denial". This means he told his family that he was NOT a drug addict. She said he was a druggie because he was taking Propofol! Propofol is barely an addictive substance and is used to put one to sleep...and she talked about it as if it was coke!
4. Janet never gave a timeframe, didn't say why did he take drugs and barely spoke/saw Michael. Even if he was the biggest junkie on Earth...how would she know it?
5. If he was such a druggie...then why was the family constantly hounding him for reunion tours?
6. The family admitted to have NEVER seen Michael taking drugs or under its effects. They asked him if he was an addict and he answered "no". They base their "he was a junkie" argument on tha fact that Michael kept a distance from them and sometimes didn't want to even see his family. It was not his problem...it was the family's.
7. He had a problem with drugs in 93 for some months. He never had another again. Yet, the family milks the "some-months-addiction-from-17-years-ago" and makes it seem as if Michael was a junkie all these years. And why? *I smell a lawsuit agaisnt AEG and the "we had a junkie relative" argument is the only way the family can sue this company*
8. Michael died from a lethal dose OF PROPOFOL. So your argument about Propofol having bad reactions with other drugs is SIMPLY STUPID. In fact, the other drugs HAVE/ARE MEANT to be used along with Propofol, otherwise the patience might get addicted and gain resistance.
9. It was Murray's fault.
10. I don't hate you: I just see that you know NOTHING about this case. It's impossible to hate ignorance. I just pity it.

I hope I'm not being to complex for you!
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seeingvoices12 said:

Exactly. My posts confirms what you said.

MOL said:[quote]

seeingvoices12 said:

OverDose.....

seeingvoices12 said:

???
Overdose = lethal dose

I just go by what my folx tell me and what i found in the letter that his girlfriend sent me when he died. i know it's a different subject. but people held my brother to check out if he was a drug addict. he wasn't. but i think my brother went back to drinking. But Anyway, i know him and his girlfriend always argued and fought alot. I still don't know where my sister is.....so i just get the news.





It wasn't suprising to me cuz i know my brother but i just had a feeling anyday he would pass away cuz i got a phone that kinda disturbed me, from Michigan state. I spoke wit my brother before this.
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MOL said:

lethal dose= Killing dose

Sometimes people don't die from certain Overdoses regarding certain issues, I think lethal overdose would be more accurate....

but I also think you are right so I apologize for that Sorry
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booty said:

Dr. Ionache (HIStory tour's doctor) said he had given Michael proprofol because he had insomnia and high levels of anxiety. Ionache added that Michael was not a drug addict and even told a cute story. Once, Michael went to his office and saw a woman who needed treatment for cancer but couldn't afford it. Therefore, Jackson gave her, indirectly (remember Michael's motto: charity is only charity when no one knows who is doing it) and immediately 45.000 USD. He also gave presents to kids who had illnesses and even cried while hearing about the story of life of one Ionache's patiente. Of course, this didn't make headlines.
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http://www.youtube.com/wa...QOvm0kDC4s


janet says her brother was in deniel about drugs


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is that teddy p?

mimi07 said:

Those are Ashford and Simpson.

I don't mean to sound critical to the remake of "We Are The World", but I believe if MJ was alive, he would have taken it a different direction. He love fresh and new material, no remakes. Just my opinion.

MyMyMy said:

of course

DesireeNevermind said:

bboy87 said:

I LOVE this picture so much! So cute, I love pics of Mike from the 60s and 70s! You can see he's always had that square jawline here.

ViintageJunkiie said:

What is "general caucasian-like" features ???

tangerine7 said:

Why use the term "general caucasian-like" features, its like suggesting all caucasian people look basically the same. If someone had posted "general hispanic-like" features or "general black-like" features it wouldnt be acceptable.

b3xy said:

Exactly. Not everybody looks the same. To say MJ wanted to have "Caucasian" features is as stereotypical IMHO as saying MJ's features were "typical of blacks". Which is a stereotype.

WaterInYourBath said:

Tell me about it. His smile was never the same again post-2000, hence the reason for the mouth covering on MSG and probably also why he felt the need to hide his face so much in the YRMW video.

It did improve in the last few years of his life, but it never fully recovered.
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Michael i can relate too, thats why i kinda jumped when i heard joe jackson. "Joe jackson who is that?

i know mj got beatings from his father, (i can relate with that cuz it was same thing with my mother but just the opposite gender). i know how that impacted mj throughout his career.

You don't have to get beatings cuz i believe there are different types of abuse. Emotional abuse is using words not with your fist. But putting you down degrating you, and theres also the controling nature of joe jackson I don't respect.
with my brother i think it was that. i think my brother died cuz he always felt he couldn't please dad. and thats why till this day i dont think my dad will get over it cuz he has no reaction sinse his sons death.
if you go through the personal interviews/phone calls before mj died it stricks me how bad he talks about joe jackson to total strangers. he can sit down and have interview with brashier and them. and be in total peace but once he talks about his father he acts different.

joe jackson says things in interviews that stricks me as kind of odd.


one thing that mj said in the personal phone calls before he died was----
"he got to live his life his way (besides being scared for his life for whatever reason)
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dag said:

he reminds me of mick jagger here

alexothetimes said:

Oh not even! He looks so relaxed here.

When was this pic taken again?
He looks so happy....love it.

b3xy said:

that's why I put it in quotations. Some people assume "general caucasian-like" features would be something like long black/blonde hair with blue eyes. I didn't say that all of them look like that.

ViintageJunkiie said:

Well in that sense, I doubt he wanted to since there's no such thing.
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