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Printablekibbles said: Graycap23 said: I'm having difficulty with them send Dr. Murray 2 jail. I don't think it is right.
the california medical board disagrees with you. they filed a motion today to revoke the good dr.'s license immediately. the judge denied the motion...for now. assuming mj knew the risks of propofol, don't you don't think that applies doubly to dr. murray? he was a cardiologist, and has been around propofol all of his professional medical life. yet, instead of properly monitoring of his patient and obtaining the proper medical equipment, he administered the drug, and then went off to make phone calls and talk to his baby mama while mj was under sedation. as mj was slipping away, he delayed calling the emts and he did not tell anyone that he had administered this drug in an attempt to cover up his actions. what exactly is 'right' about that? if you give your consent to a doctor for a procedure, any procedure, whatever the risk, that does not mean he gets to behave in a negligent manner and use as an excuse your 'consent' to absolve themselves of responsibility if they behave in a manner which increases your risk of danger, rather than mitigate it. hell, open heart surgery is a risky operation, but people give their consent to it everyday. they do it because they trust that the doctor is going to be doing his job. if the doctor fucks up due to their own avoidable negligence, you better believe he will be sued and possible have his license revoked. murray is going down. he puts his greed above his ethics, and if he did it with mj, there's nothing to say he wouldn't do it again. good riddance to him. The FULL coroner's report came out today someone on MJJC did a summary - what we have read before from the AP news is true.
- the weight is listed as 136 - he was not in his regular room - it says murray did cpr on the floor - the description of the room/scene what we have read at the tabloids are also seems to be true as well - there was a lot of needle / puncture wounds - he did no have a heartbeat when the paramedics arrived - and remained unresponsive despite of all efforts - overall he was healty. you read pages of examination of internal organs. all are okay or have some minor unrelated can be explained by age conditions. congestion of the chest is listed , the other ones are nonsignificant situations. - his vitiligo is well documented as well as the burn scar - propofol is the main cause - also the expert says that lorezepam should not be given at the same time as propofol as well - there are 61 autopsy photos, 17 photos taken at the hospital and 30 some photos showing the scene. the ones on his neck (the puncture wounds on the left side) are done by paramedics when they inserted the IV catheters etc. So they are explainable and he would not have them before the paramedics came and worked on him. It also lists puncture wounds at right shoulder (2), both arms (4 on the right , 3 on the left) and both ankles(1 each). I am not sure whether they are related to the emergency efforts or not. [Edited 2/8/10 17:07pm] "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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bboy87 said:[quote] kibbles said: The FULL coroner's report came out today someone on MJJC did a summary - what we have read before from the AP news is true.
- the weight is listed as 136 - he was not in his regular room - it says murray did cpr on the floor - the description of the room/scene what we have read at the tabloids are also seems to be true as well - there was a lot of needle / puncture wounds - he did no have a heartbeat when the paramedics arrived - and remained unresponsive despite of all efforts - overall he was healty. you read pages of examination of internal organs. all are okay or have some minor unrelated can be explained by age conditions. congestion of the chest is listed , the other ones are nonsignificant situations. - his vitiligo is well documented as well as the burn scar - propofol is the main cause - also the expert says that lorezepam should not be given at the same time as propofol as well - there are 61 autopsy photos, 17 photos taken at the hospital and 30 some photos showing the scene. the ones on his neck (the puncture wounds on the left side) are done by paramedics when they inserted the IV catheters etc. So they are explainable and he would not have them before the paramedics came and worked on him. It also lists puncture wounds at right shoulder (2), both arms (4 on the right , 3 on the left) and both ankles(1 each). I am not sure whether they are related to the emergency efforts or not. [Edited 2/8/10 17:07pm] i wonder if the mj-haters on this board will acknowledge this? naaaahhhh.... | |
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kibbles said: bboy87 said: [Edited 2/8/10 17:07pm] i wonder if the mj-haters on this board will acknowledge this? naaaahhhh.... mj haters in general won't WARNING: this may be difficult to read  http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o...ort_wm.pdf[Edited 2/8/10 17:13pm] "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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kibbles said: bboy87 said: [Edited 2/8/10 17:07pm] i wonder if the mj-haters on this board will acknowledge this? naaaahhhh.... They never will. They'll die still thinking MJ "bleached" himself.  | |
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Timmy84 said: kibbles said: i wonder if the mj-haters on this board will acknowledge this? naaaahhhh.... They never will. They'll die still thinking MJ "bleached" himself. You know how people are sometimes 
The report is INCREDIBLY graphic so if you read it. Be ready I simply read the summary. I don't want to remember Michael like that "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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This case just keeps getting sadder and sadder. I heard that the full autopsy report was released today. | |
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bboy87 said: Timmy84 said: They never will. They'll die still thinking MJ "bleached" himself. You know how people are sometimes
The report is INCREDIBLY graphic so if you read it. Be ready I simply read the summary. I don't want to remember Michael like that I'll probably avoid it myself.  | |
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Timmy84 said: bboy87 said: You know how people are sometimes
The report is INCREDIBLY graphic so if you read it. Be ready I simply read the summary. I don't want to remember Michael like that I'll probably avoid it myself. I heard some details. It paints a very sad situation regard Michael in his last days. | |
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suga10 said: Timmy84 said: I'll probably avoid it myself. I heard some details. It paints a very sad situation regard Michael in his last days. It says Michael was healthy. It was the propofol that definitely killed him I was about to read it, but stopped on the first page. I rather remember Michael wearing his tacky pajamas browsing old bookstores  "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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It was sad reading about MJ in this fashion (the autopsy report).
What will really get people riled up is that Dr. Death is being charged with manslaughter and it is a 4 year prison sentence! "Old man's gotta be the old man. Fish has got to be the fish." | |
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COMPUTERBLUE1984 said: It was sad reading about MJ in this fashion (the autopsy report).
What will really get people riled up is that Dr. Death is being charged with manslaughter and it is a 4 year prison sentence! You already know people are pissed about it "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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ViintageJunkiie said: Finally got the chance to watch the Dangerous/HIStory Royal Brunei show last night. Definitely one of his best shows.
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Which tour had the best band?
Triumph Tour Drums: Jonathan Moffett Bass: Michael McKinney Guitar: David Williams Synthesizer: Bill Wolfer Horns: (East Coast Horns): Wesley Phillips, Cloris Grimes, Alan (Funt) Prater, Roderick (Mac) McMorris Victory Tour Drums: Jonathan Moffett Guitars: David Williams, Gregg Wright Keyboards: Rory Kaplan, Pat Leonard & Jai Winding Bad Tour Keyboards: Greg Phillinganes, Brad Buxer Drums: Ricky Lawson Guitars: Jennifer Batten, David Williams Bass: Don Boyette Percussion: Bashiri Johnson Trombone: William Reichenbach Trumpets: Gary Grant, Jerry Hey Saxophones, Flutes: Larry Williams, Kim Hutchcroft Vocals: Kevin Dorsey, Dorian Holley, Darryl Phinnessee, Sheryl Crow Dangerous Tour Music Director: Greg Phillinganes Assistant Musical Director: Kevin Dorsey Keyboards: Greg Phillinganes, Brad Buxer Drums: Ricky Lawson Guitars: Jennifer Batten, David Williams Bass: Don Boyette Vocal Director: Dorian Holley Vocals: Kevin Dorsey, Darryl Phinnessee, Dorian Holley, Siedah Garrett HIStory Tour Music Director: Brad Buxer Assistant Musical Director: Kevin Dorsey Keyboards: Isaiah Sanders, Brad Buxer Drums: Jonathon Moffett Guitars: Jennifer Batten, Greg Howe, David Williams Bass: Freddie Washington Vocal Director: Kevin Dorsey Vocalists: Kevin Dorsey, Dorian Holley, Darryl Phinnessee, Marva Hicks "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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EmeraldSkies said: ViintageJunkiie said: Finally got the chance to watch the Dangerous/HIStory Royal Brunei show last night. Definitely one of his best shows.
Say what? Where did you find this? Was it released?Yeah, you're definitely behind
It was leaked in near high quality in last month "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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COMPUTERBLUE1984 said: It was sad reading about MJ in this fashion (the autopsy report).
What will really get people riled up is that Dr. Death is being charged with manslaughter and it is a 4 year prison sentence! I know that's gonna happen. I knew it after they didn't arrest him a few weeks following Mike's death. | |
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Timmy84 said: COMPUTERBLUE1984 said: It was sad reading about MJ in this fashion (the autopsy report).
What will really get people riled up is that Dr. Death is being charged with manslaughter and it is a 4 year prison sentence! I know that's gonna happen. I knew it after they didn't arrest him a few weeks following Mike's death.What is bothersome is that he in all likelihood may not even serve that full sentence and can probably profit selling some tell all to a media outlet. At the end of the day, a man lost his life. Yes MJ was not perfect, but as a healthcare professional, Dr. Murray had a man die in his care. "Old man's gotta be the old man. Fish has got to be the fish." | |
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bboy87 said: EmeraldSkies said: Say what? Where did you find this? Was it released?Yeah, you're definitely behind
It was leaked in near high quality in last month  I don't supposed someone would wanna share where I can find this?  Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life. ~Berthold Auerbach | |
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bboy87 said: The FULL coroner's report came out today someone on MJJC did a summary - what we have read before from the AP news is true.
- the weight is listed as 136 - he was not in his regular room - it says murray did cpr on the floor - the description of the room/scene what we have read at the tabloids are also seems to be true as well - there was a lot of needle / puncture wounds - he did no have a heartbeat when the paramedics arrived - and remained unresponsive despite of all efforts - overall he was healty. you read pages of examination of internal organs. all are okay or have some minor unrelated can be explained by age conditions. congestion of the chest is listed , the other ones are nonsignificant situations. - his vitiligo is well documented as well as the burn scar - propofol is the main cause - also the expert says that lorezepam should not be given at the same time as propofol as well - there are 61 autopsy photos, 17 photos taken at the hospital and 30 some photos showing the scene. the ones on his neck (the puncture wounds on the left side) are done by paramedics when they inserted the IV catheters etc. So they are explainable and he would not have them before the paramedics came and worked on him. It also lists puncture wounds at right shoulder (2), both arms (4 on the right , 3 on the left) and both ankles(1 each). I am not sure whether they are related to the emergency efforts or not. Those photos aren't anywhere on the net, right? God, I hope not.  "You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
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COMPUTERBLUE1984 said: It was sad reading about MJ in this fashion (the autopsy report).
What will really get people riled up is that Dr. Death is being charged with manslaughter and it is a 4 year prison sentence! Are there any pictures anywhere in that report? I'm sadly interested in looking through it, as long as there are no photographs. 61 autopsy pictures....Geez. I'm feeling serious anxiety over that. I have a bad feeling one is going to pop up in front of me somewhere.  "You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
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WaterInYourBath said: COMPUTERBLUE1984 said: It was sad reading about MJ in this fashion (the autopsy report).
What will really get people riled up is that Dr. Death is being charged with manslaughter and it is a 4 year prison sentence! Are there any pictures anywhere in that report? I'm sadly interested in looking through it, as long as there are no photographs. 61 autopsy pictures....Geez. I'm feeling serious anxiety over that. I have a bad feeling one is going to pop up in front of me somewhere. It was rumored that one of the tabloids had cell phone photo pics of his body, but I would imagine that the LAPD and Coroners office had the place on lockdown. Unfortunately, if the price is right, someone will do the unthinkable.  "Old man's gotta be the old man. Fish has got to be the fish." | |
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Very sad and depressing day. I just think this quack is being undercharged. 2nd degree murder is defined as "a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender's obvious lack of concern for human life." That seems like the correct and obvious charge to me. I'm no lawyer though, so what do I know?
I found the whole day draining. I think I don't have it in me to cover this case just to see this "doctor" get four years and end up serving two. Pretty sure I'm going to beg off. I turned down all TV shows today and tomorrow. I don't see the point in commenting on this thing because there's really nothing to say except to express dismay -- and what good is that? It's not like they're going to recharge the guy. It is what it is. The trial is going to be a freaking mess. I'm so not into it. But the MJ update is still coming out in August and I promise it'll be worthwhile. Your friend -- wishing he could be a pest and sleep on someone's couch tonight, J. Randy "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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WaterInYourBath said: COMPUTERBLUE1984 said: It was sad reading about MJ in this fashion (the autopsy report).
What will really get people riled up is that Dr. Death is being charged with manslaughter and it is a 4 year prison sentence! Are there any pictures anywhere in that report? I'm sadly interested in looking through it, as long as there are no photographs. 61 autopsy pictures....Geez. I'm feeling serious anxiety over that. I have a bad feeling one is going to pop up in front of me somewhere. don't worry, it's gonna be alright Atom Heart Mother  | |
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this is what a replica should look like!
re-release these "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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alexothetimes said: WaterInYourBath said: Are there any pictures anywhere in that report? I'm sadly interested in looking through it, as long as there are no photographs. 61 autopsy pictures....Geez. I'm feeling serious anxiety over that. I have a bad feeling one is going to pop up in front of me somewhere. don't worry, it's gonna be alright I hope so.  "You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
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Timmy84 said: kibbles said: i wonder if the mj-haters on this board will acknowledge this? naaaahhhh.... They never will. They'll die still thinking MJ "bleached" himself. Yeah 
People will always be ignorant and lazy, they don't bother to read, they will say that the autopsy lies , Ignorant people MICHAEL JACKSON
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There's a lot wrong in that autopsy report. I think it's a fake. | |
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purplesweat said: There's a lot wrong in that autopsy report. I think it's a fake.
nope it's the official one "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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bboy87 said: purplesweat said: There's a lot wrong in that autopsy report. I think it's a fake.
nope it's the official one The coroner said it would be kept secret permanently. At first it says he has "all natural teeth" then later on it lists all the work he had done on them and that he had some removed. Nowhere does the report talk about the burn scars on his scalp. At one stage it says he has brown hair (?!) then it says black. It says he is "black" not "African American" It says he was identified via drivers license...what, no family member could identify him?! It says Murray found him, pulled him to the floor, started CPR and called 911. We all know from the phonecall he began CPR on the bed then called 911. It mentions his vitiligo but not his lupus?? Sometimes he's "Jackson, Michael", other times he is "Jackson, Michael Joseph". His middle name was "Joe". Michael couldn't dance if he had all those lung issues. [Edited 2/9/10 4:16am] [Edited 2/9/10 4:19am] | |
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purplesweat said: There's a lot wrong in that autopsy report. I think it's a fake.
But it mentions the vitiligo thing which is a slap to the haters face, they need to stop being so ignorant and accept the fact that Mj has vitiligo. MICHAEL JACKSON
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bboy87 said: this is what a replica should look like!
re-release these I am surprised New Look, H&M or Primark havent released something similar tbh I thought they would be out in the new stuff this season but I havent seen anything yet. Though there is barely any room with all the sequins and military jackets. With Love there is no Death | |
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