Giovanni777 said:

Enuff said.

midiscover said:

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Did you not type this bullshit below.
"Which only proves that the mainstream will never recognize his true potential if he keeps doing hip hop."

Your the one that brought up the mainstream and if you think R Kelly is known all over the world your on something.

We are talking about R Kelly not Mike Jackson. R Kelly is not at that level.
My comments about your education are not meant to be catty they are meant to be real you really don't know what the hell your talking about and I am not the only one to call you out on it.

we're discussing music!this has nothing to do with school hun! and I'm fully aware of what I'm talking about
thank you! you're just coming at me with personal attacks if thats what call "callin me out". Your responses hold no substance.

If there is one thing this post has demonstrated, is just how out touch people are with the state of today's music. For someone to even think about asking a question, such as the one asked, just goes to show that there are some who just refuse to educate themselves on the subject on which their question is based. For had he, he would have known, just by studying Marvin's body of work, that the answer would have to be no. It also shows just how many of today's youth are under the assumption that what they hear on the radio, is good music. All I can say is....WOW!!

The title of this thread cleary states vocally! VOCALLY!!! no where did I mention artistry, influence and etc! I mean just imagine if Gaye was born into this generation! and I know Marvin Gaye's work! R.Kelly is a gifted vocalist and has spark in his voice that reminds me of Marvin Gaye. Maybe if some of you weren't so close-minded you would know what I'm talking about
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No.....

midiscover said:

Okay...Since, you brought it up, let's talk about vocals. Let's compare Marvin's, "Got to give it up", against Kelly's, "Home Alone". The reason why I chose these two songs is because, the moods of the songs, are very similar..."Let's all of us, have some fun". Even on "Got to give it up", where Marvin is really not giving it his all", he blows Kelly out of the water"! Kelly's vocal's, sound winey....and forced. Today's artist except for a limited few,(Maxwell, Anthony Hamilton), have really forgotten how to sing, and that's if they knew how to do it in the first place. Allot of them are have become complacent on the fact that, they can release almost anything and their "fan base", will accept them and it. This has even spread into the world of gospel music, Mary, Mary.....using autotune? What's up with that? I know they can sing, so, it makes me wonder if they are still doing it for the lord of for the homies around the way, who are tone deaf, anyway. So, if you wanna talk about vocals Midi, find me someone who can truly sing without the use of studio magic, has the dedication that Marvin had...then maybe we will talk.

hum, though Marvin is almost unreachable, since he's a legend, I would admit Kells was the 90s version of him... He was sharing the throne of R&B balladry with Babyface back in the days... "I Can't Sleep" , "Down Low", "I Believe I can Fly", "When A Womens Fed Up"... But somewhere around 2002, after that "Chocolate Factory" album, sumthin went wrong... His inspiration probably went in his urins when he peed on that girl

shorttrini said:

Are you suggesting R.Kelly can't sing?
You clearly haven't heard his work then
and apparently I'm not the only one that thinks this
http://www.michigandaily....believe-it
and read these
http://www.popmatters.com...elly.shtml
http://slate.msn.com/id/2109534/
http://www.contactmusic.c...%20licence

midiscover said:

this thread is obvious trolling. why would anyone respect your opinion for it?

errant said:

How so? I started this thread to have a civilized discussion about both artists similarities but instead there are people like YOU that come on here trolling this thread. If you disagree that's fine with me but you don't have to personally attack me.

I've tried to ignore this thread but since someone told me to go on and give my opinion, I'm just gonna go on and say this:

I don't think R. Kelly should be compared to anybody and that's not to denigrate Robert or think he's unworthy of being compared to Marvin but to me Robert always seems to be in someone's shadow.

The instant you hear him singing, you're reminded of more than Marvin from him, you hear Lenny Williams (R. Kelly wasn't the first one to sing "oh-oh-oh-oh", lol), Aaron Hall (especially in his early years), Ron Isley (musically at times and vocally at other times), Sam Cooke ("If I Could Turn Back the Hands of Time" anyone?) and even MJ, Charlie Wilson (who I know was a big influence) and Stevie.

But the sad thing in his career is that he has resorted to autotune. I mean, he sings decently, why would he need to sing autotune? Right now he ain't even today's R. Kelly.

He's got a long way to go before he could be compared to any legendary artist.
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Timmy84 said:

I knew you were avoiding this thread! I think R. created a style for himself though your right that you can hear his influences in his voice. The same can be said about artists like Prince you can hear Jimi Hendrix and sometimes James Brown.

midiscover said:

Yeah I can see why you would say that... I guess time will tell what he does. That's all I can say. I'm trying to respect this thread because you know how much of a fan I am of Marvin.

Timmy84 said:

Yes, I know and I'm glad you shared your opinion

I get where your coming from on this topic, R. Kelly is an exceptional vocalist and there is no denying that. He rarely touches on social issues like the homeless,war,women rights, racial injustice and drug abuse. If he were to sing about these things his core audience would have left him in the cold. They do not want to be preached too or enlightened obviously. They want to hear about sex, drugs and money. That it what he gives them and it works for him. However, when it comes to singing about sex he is brilliant. '12 Play' is his best cd in my opinion. As for Marvin Gaye I own everything the man has put out, including his Biography Divided Soul. Unlike R.Kelly he is not tainted by his underage sex escapades and drug abuse. If the internet was around during his prime, I'm sure we would have seen and heard things that would of made peoples eye balls pop out of there heads. Marvin Gaye did not even when a Grammy until he came out with Sexual Healing, which is one my least favorite songs by him. Makes Me wanna Holler, Whats Going On, Mercy Me and the Norman Whtifeld Sessions, went unnoticed by the main stream at the time. If you compare their body of work R. Kelly can't touch Marvin Gaye. Now if you compare him to today's living artist, no one can compete with R.Kelly, including Maxwell, Anthony Hamilton, D'Angelo and Van Hunt. I really dig Van Hunt, But lets face it no one seems to care about him not even his own record label.

Their voices are so different, Marvin is smoother, he please me more but R.Kelly is a gifted singer. Im actually shocked that some people on here think that he can't sing.

Anyway, I really can't think about anybody who sounds like Marvin Gaye today.

Cotontige said:

are U french too? lol, nice avatar (cotontige = q tip in English)

FrenchGuy said:

*Yep, content de voir que je suis pas le seul*

Cotontige said:

Hé hé hé!! Toujours cool de retrouver un compatriote fan de Prince Je tajoute à ma buddyList! t es en France là?

midiscover said:

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If you can't handle disagreement you should not have started this topic. You are not educated about Marvin Gaye and seem to know little about RnB music.
You comments put you out as being uneducated and like a lot of younger people you can't take the critical analysis of your question.

Come back when you are ready to learn something and not take things personally.

Lowering women to just sexual objects in his music makes R Kelly a scumbag. I honestly do not understand why people call him a genius.

legendofnothing said:

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singing about sex he is brilliant. '12 Play'

Laugable Marvin has got R Kelly beat in that department Jesus Prince has R Kelly beat in that department.

Mr. Kelly is just not that great as a lyricist. How anyone can take him seriously after the "Trapped In The Closet" nosense is mind boggling to me.
In addtion, the masses knew who Marvin was and still do know. A vast majority of the U.S as well as world populaiton could really careless about R Kelly.
More people know Al Green than Kelly.

I had some respect and love for R Kelly, mostly from the days of Vibe, Honey Love, My Body Callin', I Wish, Feelin' On Yo Booty, etc. and definitely I give him props for his production skills, especially Aaliyah. I actually enjoyed quite a bit of his music until he started singing about midgets "cocaine is a hell of a drug"

http://www.youtube.com/wa...yvzfgxY0kc

Not only is there a man in his cabinet, but the man is a midget, midget, midget, midget!!!

'nuff sed. R Kelly does not have one of the better voices, or is the best songwriter...he has his own niche and his own fans he will always appeal to but seriously R Kelly is nowhere and never will be on a comparison level with Marvin Gaye! That's the truth, Ruth.

Marvin Gaye just might be the greatest soul singer who ever lived.

R. Kelly is cool, but he's a couple of notches below on my twisted belt, even before he unzipped his fly.

@laurarichardson
OK now cut the BS!
just because I asked this question or because I think R. Kelly is a genius at his work doesn't mean I'm "uneducated" as far as I'm concerned it doesn't take any knowledge to recognize a talent. It requires a good ear! actually any ear because we can go on and on about who you think can sing and I may disagree and vice versa
I'm fine with disagreement but to say (as if you personally know me) that I don't know R&B is absurd!

Cont.
and you say Prince got R. beat in the vocal department? as much as I love Prince, I disagree. and you say he's not a good lyricists? AHAHAHA!!!! are you serious?? and also talent isn't a popularity contest! some of the greats leave unrecognized ex: hathaway

midiscover said:

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Your own comments tell us you know nothing about RnB and some people have a good ear and some people don't.

midiscover said:

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Yes, I do think on P's best day he has R Kelly beat in the vocal department.
and yes P has written his share of nasty lyrics but at least he has a sense of humor about himself and shows that he graduated from High School.
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FrenchGuy said:

Oui, oui, je sais pas c'est quoi la buddylist mais OK ! lol

Anyway back to kells, he sounds good on the gospel & "save the world" type of songs.

It's funny to compare Prince's & Kelly vocals, they don't even sing in the same register