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I think he can switch from time to time. He can be class when he wants to and trash when he wants to. I'm going to disagree on that. His anthems about flying or being the greatest doesn't balance out his plethora of raunchy, unclassy songs. It's so lame, in general, that ALL people sing about is fucking. Even Prince knew when to change it up. He addressed a lot of issues, told a lot of stories, etc. Same with MJ, Madonna, or whoever. R. Kelly, and many like him, ONLY sing about fucking, jewelry, cars, or alcohol. TOTAL lack of creativity. Not really, Ernest. Sure, those are the trax that get released to radio, but if you look at his catalog, he has written a LOT of songs that tell great stories. Some of my favorites: Toni Braxton - I Don't Want To http://www.youtube.com/wa...Szu1NYmruc Michael Jackson - Cry http://www.youtube.com/wa...06fI4n1MH8 Michael Jackson - You Are Not Alone http://www.youtube.com/wa...8rYl6K2STc Whitney Houston - I Look To You R. Kelly and Celine Dion - I'm Your Angel http://www.youtube.com/wa...nV_p6cvr2A Tricia Yearwood - Follow the Wind http://www.youtube.com/wa...QirP4FiJ1M That's just a small sampling. I love the "Happy People" and the "Chocolate Factory" albums. Mainly because they don't focus on f-ing some underage girl. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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ernestsewell said: midiscover said:
I think he can switch from time to time. He can be class when he wants to and trash when he wants to. I'm going to disagree on that. His anthems about flying or being the greatest doesn't balance out his plethora of raunchy, unclassy songs. It's so lame, in general, that ALL people sing about is fucking. Even Prince knew when to change it up. He addressed a lot of issues, told a lot of stories, etc. Same with MJ, Madonna, or whoever. R. Kelly, and many like him, ONLY sing about fucking, jewelry, cars, or alcohol. TOTAL lack of creativity. His songs aren't that raunchy most are filled with sexual innuedos. I acutally find Janet to be far more raunchier in her lyrics then him. | |
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silverchild said: ernestsewell said: I'm going to disagree on that. His anthems about flying or being the greatest doesn't balance out his plethora of raunchy, unclassy songs. It's so lame, in general, that ALL people sing about is fucking. Even Prince knew when to change it up. He addressed a lot of issues, told a lot of stories, etc. Same with MJ, Madonna, or whoever. R. Kelly, and many like him, ONLY sing about fucking, jewelry, cars, or alcohol. TOTAL lack of creativity. Exactly. He just chased trends that were gaining attention. R. Kelly's done that from day one. That's why he isn't revelant. Come on now! 
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silverchild said: trueiopian said: Yes, I know but he's just trying to keep up with the times and he's known for remixing songs so this doesn't surprise me. It's just entertainement.That's all He did say that he's bringing classic R&B back on his upcoming album. Can't wait!  No, he's chasing the trends so he can fit with the times. He's done that ever since he came out. First, he had the Bobby Brown thing, then it was Aaron Hall, then it was the Isley Brothers, next it was the hip-hop, thug love style, then it was Donny/Marvin/Stevie, now it's T-Pain and autotune. Now if that ain't chasing trends, I don't know what is. Like I said earlier, the only thing R. Kelly did that found him in his own niche and style was this album: 
That's why it's the best thing he has done and he just lost me after this. [Edited 7/28/09 12:01pm] ----- No, he's chasing the trends so he can fit with the times. ----- Co-Sign he does not have an orignal idea in his head. A Genius has to lead with a new sound or concept, bring other groups along. None of these things apply to R Kelly. | |
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trueiopian said: silverchild said: No, he's chasing the trends so he can fit with the times. He's done that ever since he came out. First, he had the Bobby Brown thing, then it was Aaron Hall, then it was the Isley Brothers, next it was the hip-hop, thug love style, then it was Donny/Marvin/Stevie, now it's T-Pain and autotune. Now if that ain't chasing trends, I don't know what is. Like I said earlier, the only thing R. Kelly did that found him in his own niche and style was this album:
That's why it's the best thing he has done and he just lost me after this. [Edited 7/28/09 12:01pm] Chasing trends, keeping up with the times...same shit MJ, Madonna and many other artists do the same thing! Nothing new. All those "trends" you mention aren't necessarily trends. Bobby Brown wasn't the first to sing in the style he did. I don't know who Aaron Hall is so next -> The Isley Brothers? R.Kelly is the one that revived their career! and all their collaborations were brilliant! Donny/Marvin/Stevie styles are in his music because he's inspired by them! And autotune is popular today so I don't see why he wouldn't experiment with it. It's kind of like what synthesizers were to the 80's. Also "Rap opera" was his creation and he has his own style that is being emulated by countless R&B artists out now. Give credit where credit is due! Everything that you said here is BULLCRAP! Plain and simple. Like I said earlier, I'm not denying R. Kelly's willpower or nothing, but this dude has rehashed things and hasn't evolved at all. Having songs about "bumpin' and grindin'" and "being a gigolo spendin' lots of dough," and downplaying that by making songs about being "your angel" and "stepping in the name of love" isn't evolution nor is it innovation. And even though I loved the Down Low (Nobody Has To Know) cut, he destroyed the legacy of the Isley Brothers in every way possible. Check me out and add me on:
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trueiopian said: silverchild said: Exactly. He just chased trends that were gaining attention. R. Kelly's done that from day one. That's why he isn't revelant. Come on now!
I can understand you disliking him or his music but to say he's irrelevent! Is ridiculous ----- Because your really not reading or thinking about what Ernest is stating. "his plethora of raunchy, unclassy songs" The shitty songs and repetition make him irrelevent. You will never see R Kelly on any top 100 list of great performers.singers, or writers and I hate to say this but the only people feeling him are RnB fans who are under 35 and don't really know what RnB music is or should be. I really have to question people's taste when they call this guy a genius. If you like a couple of his songs great but putting up with the GOATS is crazy. | |
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trueiopian said: silverchild said: No, he's chasing the trends so he can fit with the times. He's done that ever since he came out. First, he had the Bobby Brown thing, then it was Aaron Hall, then it was the Isley Brothers, next it was the hip-hop, thug love style, then it was Donny/Marvin/Stevie, now it's T-Pain and autotune. Now if that ain't chasing trends, I don't know what is. Like I said earlier, the only thing R. Kelly did that found him in his own niche and style was this album:
That's why it's the best thing he has done and he just lost me after this. [Edited 7/28/09 12:01pm] Chasing trends, keeping up with the times...same shit MJ, Madonna and many other artists do the same thing! Nothing new. All those "trends" you mention aren't necessarily trends. Bobby Brown wasn't the first to sing in the style he did. I don't know who Aaron Hall is so next -> The Isley Brothers? R.Kelly is the one that revived their career! and all their collaborations were brilliant! Donny/Marvin/Stevie styles are in his music because he's inspired by them! And autotune is popular today so I don't see why he wouldn't experiment with it. It's kind of like what synthesizers were to the 80's. Also "Rap opera" was his creation and he has his own style that is being emulated by countless R&B artists out now. Give credit where credit is due! An example of more simpleness "Rap opera" | |
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trueiopian said: silverchild said: Exactly. He just chased trends that were gaining attention. R. Kelly's done that from day one. That's why he isn't revelant. Come on now!
I can understand you disliking him or his music but to say he's irrelevent! Is ridiculous Never said I disliked his music or him as a person, but he's irrelevant to the state of music right now to me because he's basically a product. He has never gone above and beyond. Again, I never said I disliked his music or him. I like some of his stuff actually. 12 Play, his self-titled album, Happy People, and Chocolate Factory were very good records, with his self-titled album being the best. Check me out and add me on:
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WTF is this????
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midiscover said: Before some of you bark pedophile, child molestor or some other kind of BS! I would like to make this thread strictly about R.Kelly - musically not personally.
I just started getting into him, like many of you'll I threw him under bus after the whole allegations. And I have to say he's brilliant! There's something hypnotic about his voice and I couldn't help but compare him to the late Marvin Gaye. He's very talented vocally which is always refreshing to hear.
*Sorry, I couldn't find a good R.Kelly acapella Would you agree? Obviously you have no idea the extent of Marvin's vocal talent. That is all. | |
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trueiopian said: I think he is! A cross between Donny Hathaway and Marvin Gaye. He cites the two as his inspirations which explains the similarities in his style and theirs. Can Marvin sing opera?
midiscover said: 
This article pretty much sums it up! He's a genius! X infinityOMG, NOW DONNY HATHAWAY???? ARE YOU FREAKIN' OUT OF YOUR MIND???? | |
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laurarichardson said: midiscover said: Before some of you bark pedophile, child molestor or some other kind of BS! I would like to make this thread strictly about R.Kelly - musically not personally.
I just started getting into him, like many of you'll I threw him under bus after the whole allegations. And I have to say he's brilliant! There's something hypnotic about his voice and I couldn't help but compare him to the late Marvin Gaye. He's very talented vocally which is always refreshing to hear.
*Sorry, I couldn't find a good R.Kelly acapella Would you agree? ----- Fuck No I am not gonna screaming, "pedophile". But, to compare this Kelly, "to a master of his craft" like Marvin, is an insult to Marvin's memory. I will say this about Kelly. He is a good business man, because he knows the type of song to write for the type of crowd he is going after....other than that, he is no where near Marvin's caliber... "Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth" | |
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shorttrini said: laurarichardson said: ----- Fuck No I am not gonna screaming, "pedophile". But, to compare this Kelly, "to a master of his craft" like Marvin, is an insult to Marvin's memory. I will say this about Kelly. He is a good business man, because he knows the type of song to write for the type of crowd he is going after....other than that, he is no where near Marvin's caliber... To be honest, I dont' think he wants to. He likes "paying tribute" **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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daPrettyman said: ernestsewell said: I'm going to disagree on that. His anthems about flying or being the greatest doesn't balance out his plethora of raunchy, unclassy songs. It's so lame, in general, that ALL people sing about is fucking. Even Prince knew when to change it up. He addressed a lot of issues, told a lot of stories, etc. Same with MJ, Madonna, or whoever. R. Kelly, and many like him, ONLY sing about fucking, jewelry, cars, or alcohol. TOTAL lack of creativity. Not really, Ernest. Sure, those are the trax that get released to radio, but if you look at his catalog, he has written a LOT of songs that tell great stories. Some of my favorites: Toni Braxton - I Don't Want To http://www.youtube.com/wa...Szu1NYmruc Michael Jackson - Cry http://www.youtube.com/wa...06fI4n1MH8 Michael Jackson - You Are Not Alone http://www.youtube.com/wa...8rYl6K2STc Whitney Houston - I Look To You R. Kelly and Celine Dion - I'm Your Angel http://www.youtube.com/wa...nV_p6cvr2A Tricia Yearwood - Follow the Wind http://www.youtube.com/wa...QirP4FiJ1M That's just a small sampling. I love the "Happy People" and the "Chocolate Factory" albums. Mainly because they don't focus on f-ing some underage girl. This is exactly what I am talking about when I say that he is a smart business man. He knows just what to do, for a particular crowd. "Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth" | |
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shorttrini said: daPrettyman said: Not really, Ernest. Sure, those are the trax that get released to radio, but if you look at his catalog, he has written a LOT of songs that tell great stories. Some of my favorites: Toni Braxton - I Don't Want To http://www.youtube.com/wa...Szu1NYmruc Michael Jackson - Cry http://www.youtube.com/wa...06fI4n1MH8 Michael Jackson - You Are Not Alone http://www.youtube.com/wa...8rYl6K2STc Whitney Houston - I Look To You R. Kelly and Celine Dion - I'm Your Angel http://www.youtube.com/wa...nV_p6cvr2A Tricia Yearwood - Follow the Wind http://www.youtube.com/wa...QirP4FiJ1M That's just a small sampling. I love the "Happy People" and the "Chocolate Factory" albums. Mainly because they don't focus on f-ing some underage girl. This is exactly what I am talking about when I say that he is a smart business man. He knows just what to do, for a particular crowd. To me, that just shows that he is a good songwriter. Not necessarily about pleasing a crowd. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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trueiopian said: ernestsewell said: I'm going to disagree on that. His anthems about flying or being the greatest doesn't balance out his plethora of raunchy, unclassy songs. It's so lame, in general, that ALL people sing about is fucking. Even Prince knew when to change it up. He addressed a lot of issues, told a lot of stories, etc. Same with MJ, Madonna, or whoever. R. Kelly, and many like him, ONLY sing about fucking, jewelry, cars, or alcohol. TOTAL lack of creativity. His songs aren't that raunchy most are filled with sexual innuedos. I acutally find Janet to be far more raunchier in her lyrics then him. I said that in general ALL people like him sing about is fucking. It's his only real topic, besides the occasional anthem for the next Disney or Pixar movie (he's going the way of Phil Collins and Steve Perry.) Janet is a female singer. The thread compares two male singers. There's no way R. Kelly will ever even hope to measure up to the greatness that was Marvin Gaye. | |
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silverchild said: trueiopian said: Chasing trends, keeping up with the times...same shit MJ, Madonna and many other artists do the same thing! Nothing new. All those "trends" you mention aren't necessarily trends. Bobby Brown wasn't the first to sing in the style he did. I don't know who Aaron Hall is so next -> The Isley Brothers? R.Kelly is the one that revived their career! and all their collaborations were brilliant! Donny/Marvin/Stevie styles are in his music because he's inspired by them! And autotune is popular today so I don't see why he wouldn't experiment with it. It's kind of like what synthesizers were to the 80's. Also "Rap opera" was his creation and he has his own style that is being emulated by countless R&B artists out now. Give credit where credit is due! Everything that you said here is BULLCRAP! Plain and simple. Like I said earlier, I'm not denying R. Kelly's willpower or nothing, but this dude has rehashed things and hasn't evolved at all. Having songs about "bumpin' and grindin'" and "being a gigolo spendin' lots of dough," and downplaying that by making songs about being "your angel" and "stepping in the name of love" isn't evolution nor is it innovation. And even though I loved the Down Low (Nobody Has To Know) cut, he destroyed the legacy of the Isley Brothers in every way possible. Rather then blatantly saying everything I said was "bullcrap" why don't you point out where I'm wrong and give me a valid reason why it's wrong. and also songs about "bumpin" and "grindin" is all apart of the culture of Hip-Hop and R&B! Marvin Gaye sung about it it too! I still think many of you are stuck on the thug persona that R.Kelly gives off and so you automatically assume he's shit! your last statement is completely false! R.Kelly revived the Isley Brothers career! In no way did he destroy their legacy!  | |
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ernestsewell said: trueiopian said: His songs aren't that raunchy most are filled with sexual innuedos. I acutally find Janet to be far more raunchier in her lyrics then him. I said that in general ALL people like him sing about is fucking. It's his only real topic, besides the occasional anthem for the next Disney or Pixar movie (he's going the way of Phil Collins and Steve Perry.) Janet is a female singer. The thread compares two male singers. There's no way R. Kelly will ever even hope to measure up to the greatness that was Marvin Gaye. That's him! His career was built off of singing about sex He's responsible for the baby boom in the 90's! I can't imagine not singing about sex. and I just find R.Kelly's vocals somewhat similar to Marvin Gaye's (though R.Kelly is far more versatile) never did I say he measures up to Marvin Gaye's - greatness. I'm just appalled that many don't consider R.Kelly that much of a talent when it's evident that he very much is. | |
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R.Kelly is okay, but comparing his voice to Marvin Gaye is the STUPIDEST thing I have ever read today! | |
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silverchild said: trueiopian said: Chasing trends, keeping up with the times...same shit MJ, Madonna and many other artists do the same thing! Nothing new. All those "trends" you mention aren't necessarily trends. Bobby Brown wasn't the first to sing in the style he did. I don't know who Aaron Hall is so next -> The Isley Brothers? R.Kelly is the one that revived their career! and all their collaborations were brilliant! Donny/Marvin/Stevie styles are in his music because he's inspired by them! And autotune is popular today so I don't see why he wouldn't experiment with it. It's kind of like what synthesizers were to the 80's. Also "Rap opera" was his creation and he has his own style that is being emulated by countless R&B artists out now. Give credit where credit is due! Everything that you said here is BULLCRAP! Plain and simple. Like I said earlier, I'm not denying R. Kelly's willpower or nothing, but this dude has rehashed things and hasn't evolved at all. Having songs about "bumpin' and grindin'" and "being a gigolo spendin' lots of dough," and downplaying that by making songs about being "your angel" and "stepping in the name of love" isn't evolution nor is it innovation. And even though I loved the Down Low (Nobody Has To Know) cut, he destroyed the legacy of the Isley Brothers in every way possible. I agree with you for the most part except him destroying the legacy of the Isley Brothers that can't happen because the majority of isley fans like the 3+3 period through Between the Sheets period. Like you said Down Low was cool but then they kept on with this "Mr Biggs" crap. They ran out. Ronald Isley started to become something he wasn't. If he was so hung up on this "Mr Biggs"crap why didn't he have on the pimp gear and call himself "Mr Biggs on the collabo album he did with Burt Bacharach. Apparently he didn't want to make a fool of himself in the presence of one of the greatest songwriters of all time but yet he's willing to cheapen his legacy by playing the pimp-ice-cristal game with these youngsters to keep his name out there. Back to R.Kelly. The guy has a good voice but what has he done remotely interesting since Turn back the hands of time. And yes he chases trends. He doesn't set them. Don't laugh at my funk
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midiscover said: There's something hypnotic about his voice and I couldn't help but compare him to the late Marvin Gaye. He's very talented vocally which is always refreshing to hear.
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phunkdaddy said: silverchild said: Everything that you said here is BULLCRAP! Plain and simple. Like I said earlier, I'm not denying R. Kelly's willpower or nothing, but this dude has rehashed things and hasn't evolved at all. Having songs about "bumpin' and grindin'" and "being a gigolo spendin' lots of dough," and downplaying that by making songs about being "your angel" and "stepping in the name of love" isn't evolution nor is it innovation. And even though I loved the Down Low (Nobody Has To Know) cut, he destroyed the legacy of the Isley Brothers in every way possible. I agree with you for the most part except him destroying the legacy of the Isley Brothers that can't happen because the majority of isley fans like the 3+3 period through Between the Sheets period. Like you said Down Low was cool but then they kept on with this "Mr Biggs" crap. They ran out. Ronald Isley started to become something he wasn't. If he was so hung up on this "Mr Biggs"crap why didn't he have on the pimp gear and call himself "Mr Biggs on the collabo album he did with Burt Bacharach. Apparently he didn't want to make a fool of himself in the presence of one of the greatest songwriters of all time but yet he's willing to cheapen his legacy by playing the pimp-ice-cristal game with these youngsters to keep his name out there. Back to R.Kelly. The guy has a good voice but what has he done remotely interesting since Turn back the hands of time. And yes he chases trends. He doesn't set them. Ok, I guess you do have a point there about the whole Mr. Biggs saga. The Isleys have always been about reinvention anyway. [Edited 7/28/09 18:49pm] Check me out and add me on:
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R. Kelly is very talented. He can sing, write and produce. I love his 90's stuff. Truly one of the best r&b artists. However, he aint seeing no Marvin Gaye! Marvin's voice is far superior and sensual than Kellz. He's not seeing Marvin in any way, but it would be silly to deny his talent. R. Kelly is talented. Too bad he has resorted to making s*itty juvenille music for the past few years though. [Edited 7/28/09 18:40pm] "And When The Groove Is Dead And Gone, You Know That Love Survives, So We Can Rock Forever" RIP MJ 
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midiscover said: Would you agree? i didnt think you could have sex to a acpella but that sounds like a winner | |
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bettybop said: HELL NO!!!!
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nurseV said: bettybop said: HELL NO!!!!
Exactly-I think that it's Maxwell "Be glad for what you had baby, what you've got..." | |
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