bboy87 said:

midiscover said:

bboy87 said:

CalhounSq said:

Can u say mirrorsbestfriend?

midiscover said:

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"Hair Braider is not meant to be taken seriously "

Yes it is because dude is retarded

laurarichardson said:

Nah it's just to make people laugh

midiscover said:

And I'm asking you ONCE AGAIN, are you really asking me that question? I'm not denying R. Kelly because in reality, he does have talent to an extent. Hell, I liked 12 Play, his self-titled album, Happy People and Chocolate Factory. But you are comparing two generations of singers. One who was an original that fought for his artistic integrity and pushed boundaries in his art and another who is plain and simple, a mainstream R&B singer who has pop overtones and has done the same things over and over. I don't care about the mess that goes on in many artists' personal lives, but I know what music is. Vocally, R. Kelly doesn't have that same style or attitude Marvin's voice had. Listen to any song Marvin has made and then listen to a R. Kelly song and you notice the difference pretty fast. It just isn't there. I'm sorry, but that's just my opinion.

midiscover said:

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Jesus Christ give me strength.

Marvin had an incredible voice and he was a great songwriter who bucked the system at Motown to write about controversial topics like the Vietnam War, Pollution, and the general despair that people were feeling at that time.
This was not something that done often at Motown and two of Marvin’s albums are considered classics that still are purchased and played today. I doubt you will ever see any of this from R Kelly dude just does not have the ability to write lyrics with any substance or depth. He is not a deep thinker and that is fine because deep lyrics are not everybodys forte but he would have to radically move away from the simple lyrics to catch up with Marvin.
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My cousin went on and on about calling him a genius for Trapped in the Closet, but she is the kind of person who probably thinks mj did it and is 'so gay' despite liking him when we were younger. I don't like hypocrites like that.

silverchild said:

Ok, When I compare R.Kelly to Marvin Gaye...I'm not speaking lyrically! Though R.Kelly has written songs of inspiration they both are different in that catagory. I'm speaking vocally! Just listen to both of them and can quickly hear the similarities. And also no one is original

silverchild said:

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Co-Sign Kelly is just not in Marvin's league

laurarichardson said:

Even though Marvin wasn't the first to come up with a politically-charged record and album, it was groundbreaking what he did at Motown and it still is today. He even pushed the boundaries of the album format by doing concept albums. Unheard of at that time in soul music, even though his contemporaries like Curtis Mayfield did it way before him, he really took it to a whole 'nother dimension.

alphastreet said:

I remember being at work one morning and one of the guys in my
area had the radio on a hip hop station and they played the new
song by R.Kelly called Trapped. After the song went off, the DJ's
went on and on about how he was such a genius. I'm like WTF are
you kidding. And like you said, this young guy in my dept. swear
R.Kelly is the greatest thing that ever happened to music. He too
criticized MJ but yet think the people that rip on R.Kelly are haters.
Well if you weren't a fan to begin with,how can you be a hater.
If he is today's Marvin Gaye,we should include Aaron Hall too because
that's who's style he raped before moving on to Charlie Wilson, Lenny
Williams,Ronald Isley,and now TPain.
To sum it up hell no. He's not even close to Marvin vocally or artistically.

midiscover said:

And vocally, they are different. Marvin didn't really think about what he was singing, he just let it flow. That's what you call improvisation. R. Kelly just croons and tries to sound like him in his songs. R. Kelly wouldn't know what flow is.
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I think he is! A cross between Donny Hathaway and Marvin Gaye. He cites the two as his inspirations which explains the similarities in his style and theirs. Can Marvin sing opera?

midiscover said:

This article pretty much sums it up! He's a genius!


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trueiopian said:

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This song is exactly what we all are talking about. The same old tired auto-tune with simple ass lyrics and more importantly no groove. Was this song meant for people to dance to or go into a coma.

If I want auto-tune I will go listen to some ZAPP. At least Roger knew his way around a groove.

Listen to end of Mercy Mercy Me and you do hear a litlle classical music.

trueiopian said:

I'm sorry... but "Chopped & Screwed"???

laurarichardson said:

Yes, I know but he's just trying to keep up with the times and he's known for remixing songs so this doesn't surprise me. It's just entertainement.That's all

He did say that he's bringing classic R&B back on his upcoming album. Can't wait!

HAHAHA;.....R.kelly?
The subject of the thread is seducing as hell

silverchild said:

Funny you mentioned this album. This is my favorite R album. I also like the Chocolate Factory and Happy People albums. They have the Marvin vibe to them.

The rest of his albums are so hit and miss to me. He can write good songs, but he seems to like to be trendy at times and that's what turns me off about him.

trueiopian said:

No, he's chasing the trends so he can fit with the times. He's done that ever since he came out. First, he had the Bobby Brown thing, then it was Aaron Hall, then it was the Isley Brothers, next it was the hip-hop, thug love style, then it was Donny/Marvin/Stevie, now it's T-Pain and autotune. Now if that ain't chasing trends, I don't know what is.

Like I said earlier, the only thing R. Kelly did that found him in his own niche and style was this album:



That's why it's the best thing he has done and he just lost me after this.
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I read (or saw) an interview with R. and he mentioned that Marvin's wife, Jan, told him that his Happy People album is an album Marvin would have made if he were still around. He then mentioned that she gave him Marvin's last drivers license.

midiscover said:

I'm going to disagree on that. His anthems about flying or being the greatest doesn't balance out his plethora of raunchy, unclassy songs.

It's so lame, in general, that ALL people sing about is fucking. Even Prince knew when to change it up. He addressed a lot of issues, told a lot of stories, etc. Same with MJ, Madonna, or whoever. R. Kelly, and many like him, ONLY sing about fucking, jewelry, cars, or alcohol. TOTAL lack of creativity.

ernestsewell said:

Basicly... but he tried one time almost to on stage when he discussed with the audience how to compete with Prince

ernestsewell said:

Exactly. He just chased trends that were gaining attention. R. Kelly's done that from day one. That's why he isn't revelant.

silverchild said:

Chasing trends, keeping up with the times...same shit MJ, Madonna and many other artists do the same thing! Nothing new. All those "trends" you mention aren't necessarily trends. Bobby Brown wasn't the first to sing in the style he did. I don't know who Aaron Hall is so next -> The Isley Brothers? R.Kelly is the one that revived their career! and all their collaborations were brilliant! Donny/Marvin/Stevie styles are in his music because he's inspired by them! And autotune is popular today so I don't see why he wouldn't experiment with it. It's kind of like what synthesizers were to the 80's. Also "Rap opera" was his creation and he has his own style that is being emulated by countless R&B artists out now. Give credit where credit is due!

The "genius" word is imo a too easy & fashionable statement to throw around these days.
I consider a "genius" someone who's that prolific in order to influence a whole new era, category, or group of other artists within the music scene.
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