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Printablematthewgrant said: LondonStyle said: What makes greatness .....detail and grace.... Michael Jackson Moonwalk is pure magic, He did almost 25 years ago and we are talking about still ...why because it somthing no one else had done before or can do now ...that's why it's magic.. Nothing is average about MJ's Moonwalk or we would not be talking about... Anyone got the Gene Kelly Quote ? R.I.P . M.J. but that goes for any other dance or shout Michael did. no one will ever kick their leg,grab their crotch or that indian hop dance thing quite like Michael. Yeah no one's arguing that, he did certain things that were different but some moves you just recognize didn't directly come from him.  | |
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Timmy84 said: GirlBrother said: I still don't see what was so different about MJ's Moonwalk. The only differences: MJ wore one (sparkling) glove, had a hat, suit was filled with rhinestones, and the posture of his pelvic thrusts at the beginning of the song before flipping his hat and "singing".  Oh. | |
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^^^^ He changed the name, that's all. I've seen Jeffery do it and IMHO, MJ did it better (MJ was more fluid which looked great, but Jeffery was doing it more "robot" style) but the move is the same.
The backslide and the moonwalk were/are two diff steps, tho the moonwalk tends to build from the backslide. | |
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Timmy84 said: Even here, even though it's not exactly the moonwalk (so don't claim I call this that) but James was doing his own backwards gliding. His looked more freestyle than MJ's (who said he choreographed the backslide/moonwalk for hours):
It's kinda sad Michael didn't do the splits though, that would've really put the "moonwalk" over the top then again, it would've hurt a lot of people's balls if they moonwalked and then split which, you can say James was kinda doing here. 
Long live the King and the Godfather!  This is the point - it's a Michael Jackson Dance Move it's his, I swear the media is trying to alter this fact, next people will be saying they saw Cavemen doing it before Mike.... Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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Timmy84 said: kalelvisj said: Just realized that we just spent the better part of a page arguing about the moonwalk...and I like it!
Me too.
Oh here's another note: MJ was doing James' "camel walk" in his first TV appearances in 1969. Look closely at his first performance of "It's Your Thing" and then go to his Hollywood Palace performance. He did the camel walk in the audition tape as well as the Jackie Wilson splits. Why should anyone be surprised, he saw all these folks live before 68 and was a vaudevillian to his finger tips. | |
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LondonStyle said: Timmy84 said: Even here, even though it's not exactly the moonwalk (so don't claim I call this that) but James was doing his own backwards gliding. His looked more freestyle than MJ's (who said he choreographed the backslide/moonwalk for hours):
It's kinda sad Michael didn't do the splits though, that would've really put the "moonwalk" over the top then again, it would've hurt a lot of people's balls if they moonwalked and then split which, you can say James was kinda doing here.
Long live the King and the Godfather! This is the point - it's a Michael Jackson Dance Move it's his, I swear the media is trying to alter this fact, next people will be saying they saw Cavemen doing it before Mike.... Let me ask you, did you ever watch Soul Train? I know the UK had a version (hosted by Jeffery Daniel, right?) ? If so, how early in the 80s did you see Soul Train? I have news for you. Very few of the steps MJ is associated w/ are his original. How he put the steps together were very well done and that part was original, but not the steps themselves. [Edited 7/6/09 11:43am] | |
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Timmy84 said: Even here, even though it's not exactly the moonwalk (so don't claim I call this that) but James was doing his own backwards gliding. His looked more freestyle than MJ's (who said he choreographed the backslide/moonwalk for hours):
It's kinda sad Michael didn't do the splits though, that would've really put the "moonwalk" over the top then again, it would've hurt a lot of people's balls if they moonwalked and then split which, you can say James was kinda doing here.
Long live the King and the Godfather! about how old was James Brown in this clip? 12/05/2011 
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Timmy84 said: GirlBrother said: I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm genuinely curious... What did MJ change? Moonwalk/backslide at 1:43, from July 1982 - eight months prior to Motown 25. Oops! Timmy already posted the clip. I still don't see what was so different about MJ's Moonwalk. [Edited 7/6/09 11:29am] The only differences: MJ wore one (sparkling) glove, had a hat, suit was filled with rhinestones, and the posture of his pelvic thrusts at the beginning of the song before flipping his hat and "singing". Jeffery showed MJ this move the "backslide" Mike altered / changed it and call ed it the Moonwalk No one went crazy when they saw this on Top of the Pops ...trust me... MJ's Moonwalk takes the backslide to another level ...He changed it he created something new... R.I.P. M.J.  Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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LondonStyle said: ViintageJunkiie said: Excerpts from Michael's autobiography book "Moonwalk"
"Now the Moonwalk was already out on the street by this time, but I enhanced it a little when I did it." He also said, "These three kids taught it to me. They gave me the basics - and I had been doing it a lot in private. I had practiced it together with certain other steps." He didn't invent the move. [Edited 7/6/09 11:13am] ok he created it / changed it / altered it / enhanced it at the end of the day it's the Micheal Jackson Moonwalk it's his dance move end of story... The media trying to steal the dance move what next ....damn The move was already around. Michael can't take credit for something that was already created. That's like me showing you a dance move, and you say "oh i like it, but it's better if i start off on my right foot" You can't take credit for that because I already created the dance, you just start off on the other foot. | |
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brooksie said: LondonStyle said: This is the point - it's a Michael Jackson Dance Move it's his, I swear the media is trying to alter this fact, next people will be saying they saw Cavemen doing it before Mike.... Let me ask you, did you ever watch Soul Train? I know the UK had a version (hosted by Jeffery Daniel, right?) ? If so, how early in the 80s did you see Soul Train? I have news for you. Very few of the steps MJ is associated w/ are his original. How he put the steps together were very well done and that part was original, but not the steps themselves. [Edited 7/6/09 11:43am] No said he created "Dance" Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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LondonStyle said: Timmy84 said: Even here, even though it's not exactly the moonwalk (so don't claim I call this that) but James was doing his own backwards gliding. His looked more freestyle than MJ's (who said he choreographed the backslide/moonwalk for hours):
It's kinda sad Michael didn't do the splits though, that would've really put the "moonwalk" over the top then again, it would've hurt a lot of people's balls if they moonwalked and then split which, you can say James was kinda doing here.
Long live the King and the Godfather! This is the point - it's a Michael Jackson Dance Move it's his, I swear the media is trying to alter this fact, next people will be saying they saw Cavemen doing it before Mike.... While I don't see anyone on here trying to take away anything from Michael Jackson, I still fill the need to warn you that it will get worse before it gets better. Right now, on the board no one is trying to take anything away from Michael using/doing the moonwalk. We are just very realistically trying to look at the history of the move and acknowledge how Michael was influenced....but it won't be long before people will start chiming in with allegations of Michael stealing his style etc. And that will be followed by people claiming he invented everything and created in some kind of void without influence. THAT is when it will get ugly. It is important not to close your eyes to history, and in fact to do so does not strengthen Michael's legacy, it weakens it. | |
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Ya'll are gonna have me tell the whole MJ/Moonwalk story again "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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LondonStyle said: Timmy84 said: The only differences: MJ wore one (sparkling) glove, had a hat, suit was filled with rhinestones, and the posture of his pelvic thrusts at the beginning of the song before flipping his hat and "singing". Jeffery showed MJ this move the "backslide" Mike altered / changed it and call ed it the Moonwalk No one went crazy when they saw this on Top of the Pops ...trust me... MJ's Moonwalk takes the backslide to another level ...He changed it he created something new... R.I.P. M.J. Oh come on, now you're just reaching! At that particular moment in time, Michael could have tried that move, fallen, busting his ass on the floor and that audience would have still screamed and applauded like crazy and you know it! I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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How Songwriter Rod Temperton Created 'Thriller' The songwriter behind Thriller, Michael Jackson's most successful album, is a man from Cleethorpes called Rod Temperton. June 2009 He came up with the title Thriller after being asked to work on the album by Quincy Jones, the American music producer. Originally Temperton had called it Starlight but Jones asked him to come up with another title. Temperton once said: ""I went back to the hotel, wrote two or three hundred titles and came up with Midnight Man. "The next morning I woke up and I just said this word. Something in my head just said, 'This is the title'. "You could visualise it at the top of the Billboard charts. You could see the merchandising for this one word, how it jumped off the page as 'Thriller'." Thriller has sold an estimated 109 million copies worldwide. Jones had got it touch after hearing Boogie Nights, which Temperton had written as the debut single for Heatwave, a disco band he joined after spotting a local newspaper advertisement. At the time he joined Heatwave, Temperton had been working in a much less glamourous industry - in the Ross Foods frozen fish factory in Grimsby, Lincs. Now 61, Temperton has made himself rich by writing a string of hits not only for the King of Pop but also for other stars including Donna Summer, Mariah Carey and Mica Paris. He lives on Mulholland Drive in Los Angeles, which boasts the actors George Clooney, Jack Nicholson and Bruce Willis as residents. He also has homes in the South of France, Switzerland, Fiji, and a Kent. http://www.telegraph.co.u...iller.html [Edited 7/6/09 11:56am] | |
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matthewgrant said: Timmy84 said: Even here, even though it's not exactly the moonwalk (so don't claim I call this that) but James was doing his own backwards gliding. His looked more freestyle than MJ's (who said he choreographed the backslide/moonwalk for hours):
It's kinda sad Michael didn't do the splits though, that would've really put the "moonwalk" over the top then again, it would've hurt a lot of people's balls if they moonwalked and then split which, you can say James was kinda doing here.
Long live the King and the Godfather! about how old was James Brown in this clip? 31 years old, I believe. | |
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MJ's main early dance influences were Joe Tex, JB, Jackie Wilson, Fred Astaire, Gene Kelly, Sammy Davis Jr and the like. Later on he was strongly influenced by Soul Train LA style popping and locking w/ a little NYC bboy thrown in. Not only did he have ST dancers teaching him moves, he also put several in his vids over the years. I distinctly recall Poppin' Taco and Casper in at least 1 of the vids and I see a definite Michael Chambers (aka Bugaloo Shrimp) influence. Nothing wrong w/ this at all...it's all apart of the vaudeville tradition MJ came from and stagecraft. You take something that exists and build on it. | |
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bboy87 said:
Ya'll are gonna have me tell the whole MJ/Moonwalk story again Go one bboy87 as your the elected MJ historian around here... I've just watched the Jeffery video and it's the same story, about how he was showing mike the backslide, mike changed it/ altereted the move and called it the moonwalk.... and the the rest is HIStory... I know there is a Gene Kelly quote around here about the backslide and what Mike's done with the Moonwalk which takes it to another level...anyone got that quote... Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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anyone hear MJ's burial is tomorrow at 8 in an unknown location?
I hope this is the case. He's been held above ground for too long now, so if the coroner is finished let him rest in peace  there's no need for the body to be at the staples center.12/05/2011
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: LondonStyle said: Jeffery showed MJ this move the "backslide" Mike altered / changed it and call ed it the Moonwalk No one went crazy when they saw this on Top of the Pops ...trust me... MJ's Moonwalk takes the backslide to another level ...He changed it he created something new... R.I.P. M.J. Oh come on, now you're just reaching! At that particular moment in time, Michael could have tried that move, fallen, busting his ass on the floor and that audience would have still screamed and applauded like crazy and you know it! Thank you! MJ brought excitement no matter what he did. It didn't matter if it was "perfect" or not. I saw him trying to do the moonwalk during the MSG show on YouTube (not the one we all saw on TV) and he only moonwalked half way but people were still cheering because he was Michael Jackson.  | |
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brooksie said: MJ's main early dance influences were Joe Tex, JB, Jackie Wilson, Fred Astaire, Gene Kelly, Sammy Davis Jr and the like. Later on he was strongly influenced by Soul Train LA style popping and locking w/ a little NYC bboy thrown in. Not only did he have ST dancers teaching him moves, he also put several in his vids over the years. I distinctly recall Poppin' Taco and Casper in at least 1 of the vids and I see a definite Michael Chambers (aka Bugaloo Shrimp) influence. Nothing wrong w/ this at all...it's all apart of the vaudeville tradition MJ came from and stagecraft. You take something that exists and build on it.
And THAT'S what made Michael great. Everything he did was from the past in some way. "Beat It" and "Bad" were basically remakes of "The West Side Story", "Thriller" brought back the old b-movies and added in some Broadway-styled choreography, even the one glove thing he got from old school entertainers, the fedora, the hoisted up pants, the JB-like penny loafers. Onstage he was a mixture of James Brown, Bob Fosse, Fred Astaire and Jeffrey Daniels. We all got our preferences but people here can and already have dispelled stories that MJ "invented" anything. It doesn't mean he was any less of a great artist. Remember that saying, good artists borrow but great artists steal? So because MJ "stole", does it mean he was any less great to the media? No that's why these bandwagon assholes are now claiming he was a great talent, which was already CONFIRMED anyways.  | |
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Copycat said: At the time he joined Heatwave, Temperton had been working in a much less glamourous industry - in the Ross Foods frozen fish factory in Grimsby, Lincs.
I had to travel through Grimsby the other week whilst changing trains. I had an hour to kill, so had a walk around the town... I swear to God that it was the whitest place on Earth. I mean, I'm white and I noticed straight away (so I don't know what anybody of any non-white ethnicity would have made of it). I stood at the central Bus Depot and literally did a 360 degree turn in amazement. Not one person vaguely "of colour". It was really odd - like being on another planet. Really quite sinister in it's vanilla-ness. I was glad to leave. | |
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LondonStyle said: bboy87 said:
Ya'll are gonna have me tell the whole MJ/Moonwalk story again Go one bboy87 as your the elected MJ historian around here... I've just watched the Jeffery video and it's the same story, about how he was showing mike the backslide, mike changed it/ altereted the move and called it the moonwalk.... and the the rest is HIStory... I know there is a Gene Kelly quote around here about the backslide and what Mike's done with the Moonwalk which takes it to another level...anyone got that quote... Bboy will just say the same thing we all said. | |
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matthewgrant said: anyone hear MJ's burial is tomorrow at 8 in an unknown location?
I hope this is the case. He's been held above ground for too long now, so if the coroner is finished let him rest in peace there's no need for the body to be at the staples center.I believe so and I'm with you on his body not being at the Staples Center. That's only grounds for a travesty to happen and a three-ring circus at that. | |
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OMG!! Jackson memorial passes start to trickle out
By DAISY NGUYEN – 18 hours ago LOS ANGELES (AP) — Who's getting the tickets? Like a modern-day Willy Wonka tale, more than 1.6 million fans waited to learn Sunday whether they were among the lucky few to win access to Michael Jackson's memorial service Tuesday at Staples Center. On Sunday evening, fans around the world started posting Twitter messages about receiving tickets. "OMG OMG OMG OMG i got tickets to the Michael Jackson memorial service!!!" tweeted Deka Daye from San Francisco. Other messages came from users in Scotland and Iran. Fans registered online for free in the random drawing of only 8,750 names. Each person selected will receive two tickets. The odds of getting a ticket were about 1 in 183. The tickets will admit 11,000 people to the Staples Center plus 6,500 in the Nokia Theater overflow section next door. The streets around the stadium will be closed to prevent those without tickets from trying to attend, police said Sunday. Assistant Police Chief Jim McDonnell warned people without tickets to stay away: "You'll be standing in the hot sun on a city street with a lot of other people ... but not within eyeshot of Staples." Jackson died at age 50 on June 25 after going into cardiac arrest in the bedroom of his rented mansion. The cause of Jackson's death has not been determined. Autopsy results are not expected for several weeks. Also Sunday, a judge signed search warrants connected to the investigation of Jackson's death, Los Angeles County Superior Court spokesman Allan Parachini said. The warrants were sealed and Parachini would not discuss any details. Authorities are investigating allegations that Jackson had been consuming painkillers, sedatives and antidepressants. The powerful sedative Diprivan, which is usually administered by anesthesiologists in hospitals, was found in his home. It was not known what drugs, if any, Jackson obtained from doctors. Jackson's family was planning a private ceremony at the Forest Lawn cemetery in the Hollywood Hills, McDonnell said. He did not provide further details. More than a week after his death, tributes and accolades keep coming. Madonna had a Jackson impersonator dance to "Wanna Be Starting Something" at her concert Saturday in the same London arena where he was to stage his comeback. The Rev. Al Sharpton called for nationwide "love vigils" for Jackson, asking people to gather in schools, community centers and churches to watch the memorial service and talk about the pop star's "message" instead of the "mess" surrounding his death. The memorial service will be broadcast on five television networks, after NBC executives changed their minds Sunday and decided to air the service live. NBC joins ABC, CNN, MSNBC and E! Entertainment. Before the ticket drawing, AEG would "scrub" the entries to eliminate duplicates and any suspected of being made by automated systems, Jackson family spokesman Ken Sunshine said in a statement. Winners received a unique code and instructions on how to pick up their tickets Monday at an off-site distribution center. When they pick up their tickets, a wristband will be placed on their wrists. To prevent ticket scalping, fans must have both the ticket and the wristband to enter Staples Center on Tuesday. Wristbands that have been ripped, taped or tampered with will be voided. City officials are preparing for huge crowds. McDonnell, the assistant police chief, would not say how many police would be on the job, but alluded to the 1984 Los Angeles Olympics and the recent championship celebration for the Los Angeles Lakers at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum. The ceremony will not be shown on Staples' giant outdoor TV screen and there will be no funeral procession through the city. No details were available about the actual memorial events. Associated Press Writer Michael R. Blood contributed to this report. Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. ----  @ this... Done heard it all... sorry if posted already. | |
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