laurarichardson said:

Wrong, Jeffery did not invent the backslide that was already being done on the street , Mike took the backslide changed it and called it the "moonwalk" ...

Hence Michael Jackson History .....

R.I.P M.J.

He looks a lot like LaToya here...

Ottensen said:

A rose by any other name...

The "moonwalk" at 43 seconds on this video, IS the moonwalk. It doesn't take away from the magic of seeing Michael magically glide across the stage on Motown 25, but it does prove he didn't invent it, or change it enough to take credit for it. But the man made it transcend from a dance move to something magical.

Anyone out there know of a site that will be streaming 2morrow's memorial online (no TV around).

Red said:

CNN Live.
[Edited 7/6/09 10:54am]

kalelvisj said:

No it's not , Sorry not sure why people think this the media is telling you lies again...sorry.

Fact Michael Jackson = Moonwalk ... Fact Micheal Jackson invented the Moonwalk

Let's leave it their, at 43 seconds that's not the "Moonwalk" Sorry...

R.I.P. MJ

Damn the man's not even laid to rest and people want to steal his money, kids, dance moves, house, god what going on ?

LondonStyle said:

---
That is not was Jeffery is saying or as said in the past. He said he showed Mike how to do the Moonwalk. In additon, how old are you and where are you from that you know what people were doing out in the street in 70’s and 80’s.

I am old enough to remember seeing people popping in the streets and I do not remember anyone doing any moonwalking. I rememer seeing clips of JB doing the “CamelWalk which I think is were the moonwalk came from.

Once again no one is taking anything from Mike. He made it popular.

Red said:

USA Today, CNN and other news outlets will stream live coverage of the memorial service Tuesday.

Red said:

good question - anyone got the details around the world

LondonStyle said:

I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Not only did he not create the dance, but with understanding more about regional differences in my country,we often have several names for one thing and it's not important who came up with what name. The main idea here is that this movement was something popular back in the days of my 77 year old father and his jazz cohorts, no matter what you choose to recognize it as. People are so caught up in their idolatry of a pop figure that they blatantly disrespect and discount the history of Mochael's and my ancestors. It's a pity because it comes off as insulting. Next I suppose on Madonna's passing people will argue that she invented the Jeté when she made the video for Holiday, but I guess we'll,cross that bridge when we come to it.

laurarichardson said:

No wrong again...look 2+2 = 4

MJ + Moonwalk = Micheal Jackson Moonwalk

Jeffery has told this story 10,0000 times over he was showing mike the "backslide" dance move ...Mike changed it/ created it and called it the "Moonwalk"

End of Story..

Please do not make the media fool you
[Edited 7/6/09 10:58am]

Michael Jackson's Mother Loses Control Over Estate
07/06/09



A judge says Michael Jackson's longtime attorney and a family friend should take over the singer's estate.

Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff issued his ruling after a court hearing Monday morning. Attorney John Branca and music executive John McClain had been designated in Jackson's 2002 will as the people he wanted to administer his estate.

Jackson died June 25, deeply in debt. But a court filing estimates his estate will be worth more than $500 million.

The singer's mother, Katherine Jackson, had applied to oversee her son's estate, but that was before the will surfaced. Her attorney, Burt Levitch, expressed concerns about McClain and Branca's financial leadership.

Levitch told Beckloff that Branca had previously been removed from financial positions of authority by Jackson. Branca's attorney says he was rehired by Jackson on June 17, days before Jackson's death.

Katherine Jackson did not appear at Monday's hearing. Branca did attend.

Branca and McClain will have to post a $1 million bond on the estate, Beckloff ruled. Their authority over the estate will expire Aug. 3, when another hearing on the estate will be held.

Katherine Jackson's attorneys had asked that she be appointed to serve as a co-administrator with Branca and McClain.

Beckloff did not grant that request. Beckloff is now considering which powers over the estate to give to McClain and Branca. He will take that issue up after a short recess.

A public memorial has been scheduled for Jackson in downtown Los Angeles on Tuesday.


"This isn't a shock, especially since Jackson's 2002 will is now presumed to be valid absent any serious challenge to it," said CBS News legal analyst Andrew Cohen. "The ruling gives the executors of that will power now to act on Jackson's behalf in financial matters but it's not a permanent order and it's conceivable we could see future challenges to their power."

"The body isn't even in the ground yet. It's very, very early in this process and we could easily see more changes here to how the estate is handled," Cohen said. "But right now the judge is giving the benefit of the doubt to the instructions offered in Jackson's 2002 will, which called for non-family members to execute its provisions."

"It's important with such a complex estate involved, and with so many pressing business matters to attend to, for the judge to act quickly, at least on the financial side of the Jackson legacy," Cohen added. "It's a ruling that turns the singer's mother from an administrator into a beneficiary since that's what the 2002 will called for."

"This ruling has nothing to do with custody over Jackson's children but if this will indeed is determined to be valid down the road it'll be strong evidence of Jackson's wish to have his mother, and not Debbie Rowe, have primary care for the kids," Cohen said. "So that may preclude Jackson's mother from challenging the will after all."

http://www.cbsnews.com/st...6981.shtml

Michael Jackson POPULARIZED the backslide, he did not "invent" nothing.

The media (or MJ himself) just "happened" to call it the moonwalk and that's why the name stuck.

Timmy84 said:

The term invent / change / branded can be used in so many ways but the "backslide" was altered by MJ and called "his move" the "Moonwalk"

Jeffery has said this and I'm sure there is a quote from Gene Kelly somewhere but can't find it ... related to this topic...

Excerpts from Michael's autobiography book "Moonwalk"

"Now the Moonwalk was already out on the street by this time, but I enhanced it a little when I did it." He also said, "These three kids taught it to me. They gave me the basics - and I had been doing it a lot in private. I had practiced it together with certain other steps."

He didn't invent the move.
[Edited 7/6/09 11:13am]

LondonStyle said:

Other than not doing it as well, tell me how the clip at 43 seconds isn't the moonwalk? I will grant you he does it with far less grace and for lack of a better word "magic" than Michael, but really how is it different? I am not trying to argue and I am certainly not trying to disrespect Michael in anyway. I just want to see what you see.

ViintageJunkiie said:

ok he created it / changed it / altered it / enhanced it

at the end of the day it's the Micheal Jackson Moonwalk it's his dance move
end of story...

The media trying to steal the dance move what next ....damn

I'm a MJ fan but come on with this invent business ( ), he popularized/possibly perfected it, but the move had been around in ages in different formats (even James Brown's moves had a resemblance of what MJ did).



This was in July 1982, about eight months before "Motown 25".

Hell, Michael even admitted he didn't invent it.
[Edited 7/6/09 11:19am]

LondonStyle said:

The media ain't trying to do shit. Michael even said he didn't invent it. You're the only one saying this, man.

The moonwalk was the backslide done in a 360 circle. IOW, one dance built on the other. The dance called moonwalk was popular long before either Jeffery or MJ did it. You'd see it on Soul Train and bboys did it.

asg said:

I saw this report on tv. It doesn't suprise me that an old fat white trash republican said this. A pedofile and child molestor are not interchangable. Just because someone has been accused of something, whatever it was accused for, does not mean that they did it. People seem to forget that people can be falsely accused. I wonder how that guy would feel if he was falsely accused of a crime.

kalelvisj said:

What makes greatness .....detail and grace....

Michael Jackson Moonwalk is pure magic, He did almost 25 years ago and we are talking about still ...why because it somthing no one else had done before or can do now ...that's why it's magic..

Nothing is average about MJ's Moonwalk or we would not be talking about...

Anyone got the Gene Kelly Quote ?

R.I.P .

M.J.

Just realized that we just spent the better part of a page arguing about the moonwalk...and I like it!

Even here, even though it's not exactly the moonwalk (so don't claim I call this that) but James was doing his own backwards gliding. His looked more freestyle than MJ's (who said he choreographed the backslide/moonwalk for hours):



It's kinda sad Michael didn't do the splits though, that would've really put the "moonwalk" over the top then again, it would've hurt a lot of people's balls if they moonwalked and then split which, you can say James was kinda doing here.

Long live the King and the Godfather!

LondonStyle said:

I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm genuinely curious... What did MJ change?



Moonwalk/backslide at 1:43, from July 1982 - eight months prior to Motown 25.

Oops! Timmy already posted the clip. I still don't see what was so different about MJ's Moonwalk.
[Edited 7/6/09 11:29am]

brooksie said:

Yep, and the move (along with others) were started off even going back to Africa and shit when people danced to communicate.

Also, people like Earl Tucker, Sammy Davis, Jr., the Nicholas Brothers and such, they were doing the same dancing that James Brown, the Soul Train dancers, the b-boys, and, yes, Michael Jackson would do later.

MJ even acknowledged this. The reason why his dance was so popular was he created the moment where he flipped his hat and moved around and had everyone waiting to see what he was going to do next, that's why Michael's was so great.

What we're saying is not a revisionism of history or taking anything away from him, everything some media is claiming he did, were already done but Michael just made it his own, that's all.

Doesn't take away from the man, it just shows you he was a great student.

Timmy84 said:

Without going into one, take out the term invent

and focus on the word "Perfected"

At the end of the day the Moonwalk is Micheal Jackson's no one elses - why people care so much about this i don't know - the Moonwalk is Mike's end of story

GirlBrother said:

The only differences: MJ wore one (sparkling) glove, had a hat, suit was filled with rhinestones, and the posture of his pelvic thrusts at the beginning of the song before flipping his hat and "singing".

LondonStyle said:

but that goes for any other dance or shout Michael did. no one will ever kick their leg,grab their crotch or that indian hop thing quite like Michael.
[Edited 7/6/09 11:35am]

kalelvisj said:

Me too.

Oh here's another note: MJ was doing James' "camel walk" in his first TV appearances in 1969. Look closely at his first performance of "It's Your Thing" and then go to his Hollywood Palace performance.