midnightmover said:[quote]
Cyndi's lyrics are often pretty great.
But she's irrelevent though.Most of the world hasn't bought a Cyndi Lauper record since the Reagan years.Very few people even know that she's still recording,and even less people could quote any of her recent lyrics. Rene wrote some pretty good lyrics for Janet too.
To hear you tell it,he wrote EVERYTHING for her,right? Madonna's brother-in-law wrote her some nice lyrics for "Don't Tell Me" too.
It's all a matter of opinion.I like "Don't Tell Me" but I don't think the lyrics are that outstanding. It's not even about writing deep, amazing lyrics anyway. It's just about avoiding obviously weak lines that make the listener wince.
I don't wince at most of Madonna's lyrics.Like I said,it's only pop music.It's not even worth analyzing and trying to find some deep meaning.Just shut up and dance to it,lol."My Humps" has some of the worse lyrics I ever heard,but nobody cares.The song became one of the biggest-selling hits of this decade.People don't look for amazing songwriting anymore. Janet's "Feedback" has got some novel lines in it too, so genre is really no excuse.
If Madonna did a song where she mentioned a "first day period",your ass would be on here,saying it's the worse thing she's ever written,lol. The truth is Madonna just sucks. She tried writing "deep" stuff on American Life, but she wasn't good enough to pull it off. "My father went to work / I thought he was a jerk". Terrible.
Seriously,if you don't like Madonna,why do you spend so much time analyzing and listening to her lyrics anyway? Why don't you just be patient and wait around for that Cyndi Lauper dance album? You'll be one of the five people who would buy it,lol.She needs your support and attention way more than Madonna does. [Edited 3/22/08 10:03am] | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
sassybritches said: i wish i could be as excited about this record as i was with confessions. it just all looks so desperate to be current and relevant. the songs that leaked are not anything special, the album cover is silly (she's really too old and for the first time, it is showing), multiple songs with timberlake does not excite me...it is just not anything to look forward to (for me, I'm saying). i keep checking this thread hoping that some news will pop up that finally gets me hyped for the cd but each time i'm like, "bleh."
Thank God I'm not the only person who's not all that excited about this CD and you said everything I was thinking. I will say this, after hearing that demo of "The Beat Goes On" and a little bit of Miles Away, my excitement level has gone up but not that much. I'm really looking forward to when this CD leaks cause this will tell me if I'm going to buy this CD or not. Hell, I probably will though cause I need to complete my collection, so who am I fooling? I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
SoulAlive said:[quote] midnightmover said: If Madonna did a song where she mentioned a "first day period",your ass would be on here,saying it's the worse thing she's ever written,lol. The truth is Madonna just sucks. She tried writing "deep" stuff on American Life, but she wasn't good enough to pull it off. "My father went to work / I thought he was a jerk". Terrible.
Seriously,if you don't like Madonna,why do you spend so much analyzing and listening to her lyrics anyway? Why don't you just be patient and wait around for that Cyndi Lauper dance album? You'll be one of the five people who would buy it,lol. Pretty much everyone of these arguments is completely irrelevant. You really don't seem to understand what I'm saying. Read my reply to crozzauk. He gets it. You don't. It's not about writing deep lyrics. No-one is saying that. It's just about the way Madonna comes out with embarrassing cliches all the time which expose her as a pretentious phony in interviews and lyrics. Also, whilst pop lyrics don't have to be great, by the same token, they shouldn't jump out at you as being bad. Madonna's lyrics jump right out at you and grab you by the throat with their awfulness. You haven't noticed. Well, I'm gonna do a Madonna now and use a cliche in response to that. "Ignorance is bliss". “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
- Thomas Jefferson | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
midnightmover said: SoulAlive said: Seriously,if you don't like Madonna,why do you spend so much analyzing and listening to her lyrics anyway? Why don't you just be patient and wait around for that Cyndi Lauper dance album? You'll be one of the five people who would buy it,lol. Pretty much everyone of these arguments is completely irrelevant. You really don't seem to understand what I'm saying. Read my reply to crozzauk. He gets it. You don't. It's not about writing deep lyrics. No-one is saying that. It's just about the way Madonna comes out with embarrassing cliches all the time which expose her as a pretentious phony in interviews and lyrics. Also, whilst pop lyrics don't have to be great, by the same token, they shouldn't jump out at you as being bad. Madonna's lyrics jump right out at you and grab you by the throat with their awfulness. You haven't noticed. Well, I'm gonna do a Madonna now and use a cliche in response to that. "Ignorance is bliss". Here's the solution: simply don't listen to Madonna Wait around for that Cyndi Lauper dance album.I'm sure the lyrics will be really insightful.You claim that Madonna's lyrics are awful and filled with cliches.You don't have to listen to her,and yet you apparently do.Makes no sense. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
I guess we know what Ellen's favorite song is.She danced to "4 Minutes" again on her show yesterday
| |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
SoulAlive said: midnightmover said: Pretty much everyone of these arguments is completely irrelevant. You really don't seem to understand what I'm saying. Read my reply to crozzauk. He gets it. You don't. It's not about writing deep lyrics. No-one is saying that. It's just about the way Madonna comes out with embarrassing cliches all the time which expose her as a pretentious phony in interviews and lyrics. Also, whilst pop lyrics don't have to be great, by the same token, they shouldn't jump out at you as being bad. Madonna's lyrics jump right out at you and grab you by the throat with their awfulness. You haven't noticed. Well, I'm gonna do a Madonna now and use a cliche in response to that. "Ignorance is bliss". Here's the solution: simply don't listen to Madonna Wait around for that Cyndi Lauper dance album.I'm sure the lyrics will be really insightful.You claim that Madonna's lyrics are awful and filled with cliches.You don't have to listen to her,and yet you apparently do.Makes no sense. I don't listen to her. I click on the links you post and listen to half the song while I'm doing other things. Her other songs are played all the time everywhere in the UK, so you hear them whether you want to or not. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
- Thomas Jefferson | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
midnightmover said: SoulAlive said: Here's the solution: simply don't listen to Madonna Wait around for that Cyndi Lauper dance album.I'm sure the lyrics will be really insightful.You claim that Madonna's lyrics are awful and filled with cliches.You don't have to listen to her,and yet you apparently do.Makes no sense. I don't listen to her. I click on the links you post and listen to half the song while I'm doing other things. Her other songs are played all the time everywhere in the UK, so you hear them whether you want to or not. But why would you click on a link to hear a song by an artist you don't even like? In any case,I'm glad they play her music alot in the UK.I hope it continues to torture you,lol. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
VinnyM27 said: I admit that I had doubts about the album, but after hearing "4 Minutes" a few times (I much prefer the "longer" verison....why they are chosing to play the very short verison makes little sense to me), it's might be my favorite lead single from an album, but I'm still excited.Anyone have any idea why the radio verison is so damn short? Takes out some good stuff.
I don't listen to the radio so I haven't heard the radio edit,but I think it's only three minutes long (ironically,lol) I'm glad to see the song is really taking off at radio.I'm more interested in the remixes though.I heard one remix that is just incredible...takes the song in another whole direction. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
SoulAlive said: midnightmover said: I don't listen to her. I click on the links you post and listen to half the song while I'm doing other things. Her other songs are played all the time everywhere in the UK, so you hear them whether you want to or not. But why would you click on a link to hear a song by an artist you don't even like? In any case,I'm glad they play her music alot in the UK.I hope it continues to torture you,lol. Soulalive....are you kidding me? Don't feed the trolls! The arguement started with her cliches and all the shit she says in interviews now. I'm not going to argue with that and even said the last time Madonna was cool and converstational was around BS (somoene posted an interview she did during the making of "Human Nature"...maybe here?). THEN, when he realized he had people's attention, he went into that Rene /Janet bullshit and started to give Madonna's brother in law all the credit in the world for co-writing one of her decent hits! I'm sure we were going to get into "Sean Penn wrote all of the songs from the "Who's that Girl" soundtrack except for "Can't Stop" cause that is shit. He just came here to get attention becuase apparently the Mariah Carey thead is boring as hell! | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
VinnyM27 said: SoulAlive said: But why would you click on a link to hear a song by an artist you don't even like? In any case,I'm glad they play her music alot in the UK.I hope it continues to torture you,lol. Soulalive....are you kidding me? Don't feed the trolls! The arguement started with her cliches and all the shit she says in interviews now. I'm not going to argue with that and even said the last time Madonna was cool and converstational was around BS (somoene posted an interview she did during the making of "Human Nature"...maybe here?). THEN, when he realized he had people's attention, he went into that Rene /Janet bullshit and started to give Madonna's brother in law all the credit in the world for co-writing one of her decent hits! I'm sure we were going to get into "Sean Penn wrote all of the songs from the "Who's that Girl" soundtrack except for "Can't Stop" cause that is shit. He just came here to get attention becuase apparently the Mariah Carey thead is boring as hell! Ooh I love Can't stop.. But I think JFK jr. wrote that. ...Your coochie gonna swell up and fall apart... | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
VinnyM27 said: SoulAlive said: But why would you click on a link to hear a song by an artist you don't even like? In any case,I'm glad they play her music alot in the UK.I hope it continues to torture you,lol. Soulalive....are you kidding me? Don't feed the trolls! The arguement started with her cliches and all the shit she says in interviews now. I'm not going to argue with that and even said the last time Madonna was cool and converstational was around BS (somoene posted an interview she did during the making of "Human Nature"...maybe here?). THEN, when he realized he had people's attention, he went into that Rene /Janet bullshit and started to give Madonna's brother in law all the credit in the world for co-writing one of her decent hits! I'm sure we were going to get into "Sean Penn wrote all of the songs from the "Who's that Girl" soundtrack except for "Can't Stop" cause that is shit. He just came here to get attention becuase apparently the Mariah Carey thead is boring as hell! Let's face it,most of the artists that he likes (Cyndi Lauper,for example) don't even really have careers anymore.So,out of boredom,he spends all his time on artists he doesn't like.He can actually quote lyrics from Madonna songs that weren't even released as singles,lol. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
SoulAlive said: VinnyM27 said: Soulalive....are you kidding me? Don't feed the trolls! The arguement started with her cliches and all the shit she says in interviews now. I'm not going to argue with that and even said the last time Madonna was cool and converstational was around BS (somoene posted an interview she did during the making of "Human Nature"...maybe here?). THEN, when he realized he had people's attention, he went into that Rene /Janet bullshit and started to give Madonna's brother in law all the credit in the world for co-writing one of her decent hits! I'm sure we were going to get into "Sean Penn wrote all of the songs from the "Who's that Girl" soundtrack except for "Can't Stop" cause that is shit. He just came here to get attention becuase apparently the Mariah Carey thead is boring as hell! Let's face it,most of the artists that he likes (Cyndi Lauper,for example) don't even really have careers anymore.So,out of boredom,he spends all his time on artists he doesn't like.He can actually quote lyrics from Madonna songs that weren't even released as singles,lol. I do take issue with you saying artists like Cyndi don't have careers anymore. Cyndi has a thriving career. Sure, she isn't selling millions of records, but then that has never been her goal in life. She is constantly touring, making new music that she wants to make, and is still releasing albums. Sounds like a successful career to me, particularly if you've been in the business for over 3 decades. [Edited 3/22/08 14:03pm] | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
VoicesCarry said: SoulAlive said: Let's face it,most of the artists that he likes (Cyndi Lauper,for example) don't even really have careers anymore.So,out of boredom,he spends all his time on artists he doesn't like.He can actually quote lyrics from Madonna songs that weren't even released as singles,lol. I do take issue with you saying artists like Cyndi don't have careers anymore. Cyndi has a thriving career. Sure, she isn't selling millions of records, but then that has never been her goal in life. She is constantly touring, making new music that she wants to make, and is still releasing albums. Sounds like a successful career to me, particularly if you've been in the business for over 3 decades. Ok,maybe that was kinda harsh.And I do like Cyndi,by the way. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
SoulAlive said: VoicesCarry said: I do take issue with you saying artists like Cyndi don't have careers anymore. Cyndi has a thriving career. Sure, she isn't selling millions of records, but then that has never been her goal in life. She is constantly touring, making new music that she wants to make, and is still releasing albums. Sounds like a successful career to me, particularly if you've been in the business for over 3 decades. Ok,maybe that was kinda harsh.And I do like Cyndi,by the way. I know Sales mean jack shit to me. They are nothing but a bragging point for fans of the artist. They paralyze some artists (such as Michael Jackson) because there is always that pressure to top what has come before (and not in the artistic sense). I have a lot more respect for artists like Cyndi who realize their own artistic potential regardless of their sales than for an artist like Mariah who is clearly capable of accomplishing much more, but is now nothing more than a slave to her own sales. Success these days is largely bought and paid for, anyway. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
VoicesCarry said: SoulAlive said: Ok,maybe that was kinda harsh.And I do like Cyndi,by the way. I know Sales mean jack shit to me. They are nothing but a bragging point for fans of the artist. They paralyze some artists (such as Michael Jackson) because there is always that pressure to top what has come before (and not in the artistic sense). I have a lot more respect for artists like Cyndi who realize their own artistic potential regardless of their sales than for an artist like Mariah who is clearly capable of accomplishing much more, but is now nothing more than a slave to her own sales. Success these days is largely bought and paid for, anyway. Sales mean something to me in that 1) i find the industry interesting as a business and 2) I want to see the artist I like do well because if they don't sell - I am not guaranteed that anyone will release their next record. Granted, icons like Prince, madonna, janet, mj, mariah, and even cyndi to a certain extent will always be able to find a home to release their studio discs - but erykah, for example? If she doesn't shift a healthy 6 figures her first week out - then lord knows when Slowtown will EVER get around to releasing the follow up? Same For Jill, Q Tip - lack of sales is the reason I dont have another solo album from him that I want to bad - and D'Angelo - if he ever gets around to finishing the next one. I'll leave it alone babe...just be me | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
I like Cyndi Lauper and think she's talented, but when was the last time she actualy released a new record? Her last release was just acoustic versions of her older hits, which is of no interest to me.
She tours a lot, but it's primarily her older stuff. I do think her lack of sales has a lot to do with the fact she doesn't release new stuff very often. Madonna frequently releases new stuff and her tours are not just singing all her old hits over and over again. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Glindathegood said: I like Cyndi Lauper and think she's talented, but when was the last time she actualy released a new record? Her last release was just acoustic versions of her older hits, which is of no interest to me.
She tours a lot, but it's primarily her older stuff. I do think her lack of sales has a lot to do with the fact she doesn't release new stuff very often. Madonna frequently releases new stuff and her tours are not just singing all her old hits over and over again. i dont ever need 2 c la isla bonita again I'll leave it alone babe...just be me | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
midnightmover said: Thank you. You seem to be the only one who actually understands what I'm saying. The lyrics are only one part of it. She loves the sound of her own voice, but everything she says is a cliche she heard somewhere else. Wasn't her speech for the R&RHOF the longest one in the history of the event? That says it all doesn't it?
She wasn't so pretentious when she first came out. She was actually refreshingly shameless about her shallowness, but by the late '80s she started to believe the junk people like Camille Paglia were saying about her being a great "artist" and "revolutionary", and suddenly she started to play to that crowd. But since she was actually just a hollow fame-seeker, the only way she could carry off that pose was to repeat every cliche she ever heard that she thought sounded good. Like I said before, you could fill a whole page with examples of this from her lyrics and interviews. Well we have to disagree at that point. While i think she loves the sound of her own voice - that isnt to say that i think everything shes done has been void of any merit or interest - I just think she over saturates it on the interview front now - of course shes gonna sound like shes nothing to say. You've also got to rememeber that these little cliche soundbites she drops frequently in interviews, are all just part of her bigger picture in getting press attention. Each new album seems to have its on 'hot topics' that she wont shut up about - but it always conveniently manages to get her some headlines in the tabloids. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
MADONNA SONG OF THE DAY: MILES AWAY
Partial lyrics You'll always love me more Miles Away I hear it in your voice when you're Miles Away You're not afraid to tell me Miles Away I guess we're at our best when we're Miles Away so far away (so far away) so far away (so far away) so far away (so far away) so far away (so far away) I just woke up from a fuzzy dream You never would believe the things I have seen I looked in the mirror and I saw your face you looked right through me you were miles away All my dreams they fade away I'll never be the same If you could see me the way you see yourself you'd pretend to be someone else You'll always love me more Miles Away I hear it in your voice when we're Miles Away you're not afraid to tell me Miles Away I guess we're at our best when we're Miles Away so far away (so far away) so far away (so far away) so far away (so far away) so far away (so far away) If they don't release this as the third single from 'Hard Candy',I'm gonna be pissed! [Edited 3/23/08 13:48pm] | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
"4 Minutes" Track details:
2-Disc vinyl 12" single: Special Jacket Code: 0-463228 0-9362-49870-9-3 A1. Bob Sinclar Space Funk Remix 5:39 A2. Peter Saves Paris Remix 8:37 B1 Tracy Young House Mix 7:55 B2. Junkie XL Dirty Dub 4:52 C1. Album Version 4:05 C2. Rebirth Remix 7:57 D1. Junkie XL Remix 6:16 1-Disc vinyl 12" single: Picture Disc, Clear Plastic Sleeve 0-510652 Code: 0-9362-49860-1-0 A1. Radio Edit 3:10 A2. Bob Sinclar Space Funk Edit 4:57 B1. Junkie XL Remix Edit 4:39 B2. Tracy Young House Radio 3:33 CD Maxi: Folder/Inlay Code: 2-463036 0-9362-49871-2-3 1. Bob Sinclar Space Funk Remix 5:39 2. Junkie XL Remix 6:16 3. Tracy Young House Mix 7:55 4. Peter Saves Paris Remix 8:37 5. Rebirth Remix 7:57 6. Junkie XL Dirty Dub 4:52 Plus- NEW PIC! "There is no such thing in life as normal..." | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
stevenpottle said: "4 Minutes" Track details:
2-Disc vinyl 12" single: Special Jacket Code: 0-463228 0-9362-49870-9-3 A1. Bob Sinclar Space Funk Remix 5:39 A2. Peter Saves Paris Remix 8:37 B1 Tracy Young House Mix 7:55 B2. Junkie XL Dirty Dub 4:52 C1. Album Version 4:05 C2. Rebirth Remix 7:57 D1. Junkie XL Remix 6:16 1-Disc vinyl 12" single: Picture Disc, Clear Plastic Sleeve 0-510652 Code: 0-9362-49860-1-0 A1. Radio Edit 3:10 A2. Bob Sinclar Space Funk Edit 4:57 B1. Junkie XL Remix Edit 4:39 B2. Tracy Young House Radio 3:33 CD Maxi: Folder/Inlay Code: 2-463036 0-9362-49871-2-3 1. Bob Sinclar Space Funk Remix 5:39 2. Junkie XL Remix 6:16 3. Tracy Young House Mix 7:55 4. Peter Saves Paris Remix 8:37 5. Rebirth Remix 7:57 6. Junkie XL Dirty Dub 4:52 Plus- NEW PIC! The maxi-single is released on April 29,right? The same day that 'Hard Candy' is released? I'm gonna have to pre-order it.I don't wanna be driving around to different record stores on that date,trying to find it.I want the maxi-single CD and the picture disc vinyl. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
4 minutes enters the UK charts at #7!
Download only and with no video yet or promotion! http://www.bbc.co.uk/radi...gles.shtml This is Madonna's 60th top 10 hit in the UK ...Your coochie gonna swell up and fall apart... | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
"4 Minutes" is the most commercial single Madonna has released in years.It's a surefire Top 10 hit. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
hope this ain't been posted b4...
New pics of Madonna: http://www.interviewmagazine.com/ (click on the flash animation) Stuck like glue! | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Eeeww WTF, look at Madonna & Guy!
Stuck like glue! | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
They played '4 Minutes' in the bar I went to last night - I *still* can't stand it. Stupid ass song.
I usually love horns but the ones used/sampled in it are so annoying. Guys - that song that's doing the rounds, 'Keep The Trance'; is it legit?? I it. . [Edited 3/24/08 1:42am] | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
onenitealone said: Guys - that song that's doing the rounds, 'Keep The Trance'; is it legit?? I it.
Yeah,it's legit It's an outtake from 'Confessions On A Dancefloor'.It was produced by Stuart Price. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
BILLBOARD Magazine review of "4 Minutes"
Music industry bible Billboard Magazine has posted a review of "4 Minutes": It doesn't take anywhere close to "4 Minutes" to realize that Madonna is poised to score her first Top 10 hit since 2005's "Hung Up".The launch single from the upcoming 'Hard Candy'-her 11th and final studio album for Warner Bros.-co-stars Justin Timberlake,with production props from Timbaland.There's an awful lot going on in the busy dance track: sing-along verses,insistent foghorns,cowbells,chants of "tick-tock" and "Madonna,Madonna" and a rap from Timbaland-but the trade-off chorus between Madge and Justin of "We've only got four minutes to save the world" is hooky enough unto itself to sell the song."4 Minutes" qualifies as an event record between superpowers who not only share equal billing,but sound like gangbusters together.Expect instantaneous penetration for this spring break '08 anthem. (Chuck Taylor-Billboard) | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |