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This just infuriates me.
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SANTA MARIA, United States (AFP) - Jurors in Michael Jackson's child sex trial were holding a sixth day of deliberations in a shroud of secrecy that provided no clue as to when they might reach a verdict.
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sag10 said: This just infuriates me.
From FOX News: Victory Already Declared The prosecutors in Michael Jackson's child molestation and conspiracy trial apparently feel they've already won their case. On Wednesday night, the whole lot of them — DA Tom Sneddon, Ron Zonen, Gordon Auchincloss, their wives and families — all celebrated at the Hitching Post restaurant in Casmalia. The Hitching Post, cousin of the Buellton restaurant featured in the movie "Sideways," is considered the best restaurant in the greater Santa Maria area. Sneddon was so happy that he actually embraced celebrity crime reporter Aphrodite Jones. She told me he was in a jubilant mood, and the most outgoing of all the people on hand. Said one observer, "This group was happy. There was definitely a celebratory mood." The prosecutor's team was first spotted making merry at the bar, and then retreated to a private dining room behind the bar that has no door. "They could be heard laughing and carrying on," said a source. Also present at what could only be termed a party were several of the police investigators involved in the case, including Sgts. Steve Robel and Jeff Klapakis. By contrast, little has been seen around town of defense attorney Tom Mesereau, who's kept a low profile since the jury began deliberations a week ago. PR bullshit. Doesn't worry me. Mesereau and Co had lunch there the other week. "Don't hate the Black, don't hate the White. If you get bitten, just hate the bite." | |
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RockAbilly said: Meanwhile, a British-based software security firm warned that a computer virus is doing the rounds, disguised as an e-mail that claims Jackson has attempted suicide at Neverland Yeah i read that in the daily mirror today. Anyway, I guess it will be monday now? This ain't no game! | |
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Frank Tyson (unindicted co-conspiritor) has been on court TV tonight:
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Marrk said: sag10 said: Although I don't agree that she should be harassed, she is a bit disgusting. Fuck that. I hope the MJ hit squad get to her, if he's found guilty, they'll probably try to. Carnage outside the courtroom. Groovy.  I aint no MJ freak, but yeah diane is very annoying. Theres this fan called "bj". Some fat 18 year old. Dude is a fucking twat but funny as fuck. Their was a documentary about the trial and u saw bj. U saw him on the sky one doc aswell, and even pics of him in the papers. BJ is everywhere. Hey marrk, u watch the 3 docs this week? This ain't no game! | |
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thesexofit said: Marrk said: Fuck that. I hope the MJ hit squad get to her, if he's found guilty, they'll probably try to. Carnage outside the courtroom. Groovy. I aint no MJ freak, but yeah diane is very annoying. Theres this fan called "bj". Some fat 18 year old. Dude is a fucking twat but funny as fuck. Their was a documentary about the trial and u saw bj. U saw him on the sky one doc aswell, and even pics of him in the papers. BJ is everywhere. Hey marrk, u watch the 3 docs this week? Diane Diamond?? Yeah, she annoys me, but lately she has actually been a little sympathetic to Michael. She sure wasn't during the trial though. Also I saw this special, and Diamond said that Michael unleashed his fans on her after the 93 allegations.  I think she has a bit of an ax to grind with Michael.
Hey, this is kind of interesting. You know Nancy Grace, right?? Well, she has been reprimanded by the courts in Georgia 3 times for unethical behavior regard to evidence in cases that she prosecuted. Hey, it's one thing to be a victims' rights advocate, and quite another to try to insure a defendant's conviction illegally. I just found-out that little tid-bit on Larry King. | |
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thesexofit said: Marrk said: Fuck that. I hope the MJ hit squad get to her, if he's found guilty, they'll probably try to. Carnage outside the courtroom. Groovy. I aint no MJ freak, but yeah diane is very annoying. Theres this fan called "bj". Some fat 18 year old. Dude is a fucking twat but funny as fuck. Their was a documentary about the trial and u saw bj. U saw him on the sky one doc aswell, and even pics of him in the papers. BJ is everywhere. Hey marrk, u watch the 3 docs this week? I watched the ones on Monday and Tuesday on Sky and BBC2, they were OK, the Sky one was more balanced. Some of his hardcore fans bother me a lot though. I don't think they're helping that much in all honesty. BJ is a complete donkey, he needs a slap IMO (even if his heart is in the right place, he came off petulant when he thought he wasn't getting into Neverland.) "Don't hate the Black, don't hate the White. If you get bitten, just hate the bite." | |
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Has anyone gone over to MJJSource.com, and read Messereau's closing arguments?
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Marrk said: Some of his hardcore fans bother me a lot though. I don't think they're helping that much in all honesty. | |
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lilgish said: William J. Wagener
THURSDAY, June 9th, 2005 William J. Wagener does a weekly Libertarian TV show in Santa Maria, California since October 1, 2000, which is sometimes bicycled around the nation. Libertarians believe in individual freedoms and rights to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. Don't be surprised if Court is only half day, to give both sides to work out a "deal" for stipulated agreement, and slow down the Jury from rushing back with a NOT GUILTY on all felonies counts. Same on Friday, then both sides have all week end. Once again, William J. Wagener does not KNOW Michael J. Jackson, and only just bought my first Jackson cd less than a week ago [Jackson 5]. But I know injustice and a Kangaroo Court which hops every where but for the truth... when I see one... and clearly this is one. WEDNESDAY, June 8th, 2005 [Personal Note: Did I hear fans chanting at the Miller St. Fence when I walked out from a Press conference, "On Second Thought, On Second Thought, On Second Thought, On Second Thought... Michael's Innocent!!!" Sheriff's were not too pleased, but sounded good to my ears. Or was I just delusional? Well, lets see if I hear it again tomorrow. Sounded so much better than "Steve Corbett sucks". [ Steve is a local columnist who writes for the "good Ol boys" paper I only use for cat litter, since they seem to have trouble with real Truth.] First, I report the Truth as best as I can discern it. The verdict should have come in today. Instead something else happened. I would not be surprised if the Jury is dismissed and sent home, BEFORE they bring in a verdict. How, Why? Suppose for a minute [cause I am not telling you a fly on the Judges chamber wall told my fly on my wall anything, but maybe the flies did. What would they have said]. so, suppose for a minute that two jurors were decided that Michael must be found guilty of at least one felony. Remember, we are just "supposing" here, for the sake of argument. But 4 jurors were just as decided Michael Joe Jackson is Not Guilty of any of these charges, because [like I said many weeks ago] there is a Mountain of "reasonable doubt", that they just can NOT get beyond. That is 4-2 in Michael's favor. That is better than the other way. [2-4] Then consider that 6 others are just NOT decided on the counts that the stubborn two, are sure about, but most of those 6 are leaning toward "NOT GUILTY", but just not sure. Then suppose the 8 alternates are bored, thinking they will never get to vote anyway, and some admitted that they had not paid as much attention as they should have. So.... Then consider, that 1 juror has already made a deal for a book, 2 others have secretly agreed to do "exclusive" TV/radio interview. And WHAT if one juror had friends who were close friends of one of the District Attorneys, and had in open violation law, court instructions, informed the D.A. or one of them, that the Jury was leaning more toward acquittal than conviction. WHAT have you got? - - - - - - - - - Not just a hung Jury? Even if the Defense and Prosecutors offered their answers on a point of question from the Jury, for the Judge to report what the Judge thinks the best answer is to the Jury... what do you have?? You got a three ring circus, orchestrated by a Judge Rodney S. Melville, who does not want to be over ruled on an appeal. Not even on a misdemeanor!! This will be the last big case Melville sits on, and Melville does NOT want his reputation, which is not all that great anyway, to be marred by a Mega Trial gone horribly wrong, because he gave the Prosecutors every break, except the Sheriff naked photos of MJ's private parts, [Thank you Jesus!] [because it would be HIGHLY prejudicial at this point and prove nothing]. [ Should I give you the details of the ugly Divorce of Melville vs Melville from long ago? If we can hear all the false (i.e. Unsubstantiated) malicious accusations about Michael, why should Judge Melville unpleasant divorce from the mother of his children not be reported - maybe that would give us an insight into the Judges mind ] And insight might help explain why he rules more for Prosecutors when Objections happen than for the defense. SO o o o o o. What does this mean? PROBABLY a stipulated settlement. Good Bye Jury and thanks for your time. So suppose, now, the Persecutors, ahemmm, I mean the Prosecutors know that the Jury is 2-1 in favor of acquittal on all counts. What do you do? You tell the judge, your not happy with the Jury not coming back with a Guilty verdict [maybe]. And say, HEY, we will offer a deal to the Defense, we want you to make it difficult for them to say "NO DEAL". Suppose the Prosecutors, said, "Hey Mr. Sanger & Mesereau, we will agree to 1 count felony, and 1 misdemeanor, and 10 days in jail and Probations for a couple of years for your MJJ client." "Then we all go home, and MJJ know he'll only do time for 10 days and be back at Neverland before the end of the month." Or words to that effect. But the prosecutors are in disagreement between themselves on how hard to push Defense for a felony stipulated, because they know Mr. Mesereau is no idiot and will likely , politely tell them to shove the deal up where the sun never shines in each of them. So they "Government" prosecutors expect a counter offer from the Defense, which will be one misdemeanor "alcohol to a minor under 14" or "contributing to the delinquency of a Minor" with no jail time, NO sexual intent attached, and NO probation. This could be, good for Michael. No one could call him what the evidence did not prove him to be.... a homosexual or Asexual pedophile. And furthermore, first time offenders for this never go to jail, in my experience. It would be over, with a fine, and maybe 6 months unsupervised "probation". Michael's Attorneys could announce, "WE WON. We said the Sexual molestations charges were bunk and would not be proved and WE were Right" Prosecutors, would announce, "We won, we got him to admit and stipulate to a crime." "Michael contributed to the delinquency of several minors," Mr. Zonen would boast. [ I am thinking, yeah right. You wasted millions of Tax dollars to prove kids under 14 tasted wine and had a good time at Neverland. such a good time their delusional, accusatory mother who commits perjury on welfare forms, had trouble getting them to leave.] By the way, don't kids in France drink wine with 1 meal every day from age 6 or 7 on up? Can you hear the uproarious laughter coming from France, Mr. Zonen? Aha. But Judge Rodney Ssssss. Melville, also WINS. With a Stipulated agreement, THAT agreement can NOT be appealed, in my legal mind, because both sides agreed to it. And then Judge Melville can NOT be Over-ruled. And Melville does not have to deal with badly behaved Jury members, the fact they most all got the joke about the Gavel, because they in fact, dis-obeyed the admonition to NOT watch TV or read Newspapers about the trial. And with stipulated agreement, all that mess can be ignored. Now I am not saying the fly on the Wall of the Courts chambers told my fly exactly those words. B U T, if the flies have good hearing, what would be the END result. 1. Michael knows he won't be doing 5, 10 or 20 years in state Prison. His stress will supposedly come down. MJ goes on with his life and his fight to keep his kids. 2. Prosecutors can claim some Moral High ground [which they certainly don't deserve] 3. Rodney Ssssss Melville, and Tom Sssssneddon can be openly buddies again. 4. MJ's possible "Abusive and false Prosecutions" lawsuit has less legs to stand on. [me, personally, I hope Michael hangs tough, and rolls the dice for NOT GUILTY on all charges .... I believe NOW even MORE than 3 days ago, he will be found NOT GUILTY of ANY felony.] Too late, and Attorney Thomas Mesereau, Jr. , is no idiot. He has won the day, if MJ can hang tough long enough. Prayer works miracles. Now is time if you truly believe to pray. So, don't be surprised if we see a "deal" cut. Jury goes home with Coffee cup to memorialize their "service", and make their deal. Mr. Ssssneddon, will get hired by Sony after his retirement next year as something or other. Books by Ron S, Aphrodite Jones, several jurors and maybe even myself will be written. Michael Joe Jackson, will mend his ways. i.e. Lock up the wine better. Only let his own kids sleep in his bed, if a Custody Judge in L.A. Superior Court does not strip him of Paris and Prince at the first opportunity. [ "Michael watch my 90 minute documentary on "Fathers without Rights, Babies for Profit"] It just may help you clue in on how bad it can get in so called "family court". Be nicer to Debbie Rowe. She is still the bio-Mom, and the kids will one day say, "Who is my mom". A bus load of FANS arrived last night from else where, Rose Garden Motel still has a few vacancies. I recommend the GuestHouse Inn on So. Broadway, a short walk from Vons SuperMarket. I expect the Judge has the attorneys coming back into courtroom by 1pm PST and Verdict to be read by 2pm, which will be NOT GUILTY based on lack of CREDIBLE WITNESSes. Up date later, on June 12 "Michael Jackson Innocent" Celebration, [Edited 6/9/05 7:59am] Yeah I read about the misdemeanor count concerning the alcohol Judge Melville opted as as sort of comprimise before deliberations began. Interesing article, but it's really difficult to assess whether or not the jury is gonna be able to sift through the emotionally-charged allegations alone. I don't think the prosecution's case is strong against Michael. The timeline alone is weird to me. The prior acts testimony is gonna confuse the matter concerning the molestation charges. As far as the conspiracy charges are concerned, there is one very loosely constructed count that might give Michael some trouble. I can't remember the exact wording, but the gist is that Michael didn't have be the mastermind the conspiracy; it just had to occur in order for him to be found guilty of that count. I also heard about the juror with the book deal already. To me, that person should be dismissed BECAUSE it would be in her best interest to convict Michael as far as selling books are concerned. Ya know it really pisses me off that more and more of these jurors are allowed to make money off someone else's misery. Hey, if it were just some low-profile case, I'm sure that the court would have had a more difficult time seating a jury. But nooooo, not in the Michael Jackson case: the court didn't really have that many problems or hardships to consider coz so many people WANTED to serve, some for their chance at profitand/or momentary celebrity, I'm sure. I'm sure most of the jurors, as in other high-profile cases, DON'T have the intent to make a fortune off their involvment, but the few who do, just make me sick. I know it's within their rights, but there is just something about it that is disgusting and shameful coz the people deciding Michael's fate are gonna be able to make a fortune off his suffering. I don't think I could do that, regardless of the opportunity for profit. I'd consider it blood money.  | |
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Marrk said: thesexofit said: I aint no MJ freak, but yeah diane is very annoying. Theres this fan called "bj". Some fat 18 year old. Dude is a fucking twat but funny as fuck. Their was a documentary about the trial and u saw bj. U saw him on the sky one doc aswell, and even pics of him in the papers. BJ is everywhere. Hey marrk, u watch the 3 docs this week? I watched the ones on Monday and Tuesday on Sky and BBC2, they were OK, the Sky one was more balanced. Some of his hardcore fans bother me a lot though. I don't think they're helping that much in all honesty. BJ is a complete donkey, he needs a slap IMO (even if his heart is in the right place, he came off petulant when he thought he wasn't getting into Neverland.) That's because as always people who arent there for the long-haul get everything - he'd been sitting out day after day & u get some silly bints with a basket of roses (may i add that didnt buy them either) gets all the attention!! It's always the same way - you get the respectful non-psycho fans that stand back and give him his space and the hysterical ones always invade his space and get everything!! | |
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It's been a long time coming...
Perhaps, but another weekend has arrived, it'll be at least a few more days...  My site:
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Moonwalkbjrain said: VinnyM27 said: As I said in a related post, forget about Michael, this could damage Janet's career. Depends how she plays it. Seriously, if her brother did it and is found guilty, I don't think she should associate with him until maybe he gets ouf of jail and not just for her career. That is honestly the position I would take. I'll admit I have a distant relative who is in jail for a similar crime and this is a guy who has been getting in all sorts of trouble for years! He's definately the black sheep and is talked about like a dog, as he should be. Way off topic but I really hope Michael's antics don't her. They never really did in the past.
 wow..i think thats the COLDEST SHIT i've ever had the displeasure of reading.
you don't dog your family, no matter what, cuz when the shit hits the fan their the ONLY ONES that will have ur back if everyone else fails u. also mikes not her distant relative, he's her BROTHER. thats juts too cold If you are talking about my experience, I'm sorry but you don't know this person. He is hardly family and has taken advantage of anyone that has been close to him...including his step daughter who was under 13! There, I said it! This person has been up to shit for years (mostly drugs) and frankly is the only criminal in my family. I don't even acknowledge him because he has been in jail for so many years. And I should point out not everyone treats said person like a dog. Some people insist on his innocence and have appearently accused the girl of leading him on. One of those people recently changed their mind, though. Now I'm pretty sure you were talking about Micheal and Janet but just in case, I laid it out there. I think it's not just Janet as a professional who should "abandon" Micheal but as a person, she needs to do what is right for her. If it's sticking with him, fine. But if the man is guilty, that pretty much says that he has been doing this for years! Frankly, hearing about all the past experiences, this was not the grouo of people that should have brought Micheal to trail. | |
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Oh a much lighter note, Conan recently had Trimuph the Insult Dog go down to the trail and "talk" to the MJ supporters and reporters. Funny as hell! | |
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sag10 said: Has anyone gone over to MJJSource.com, and read Messereau's closing arguments?
Very, very interesting. That was mighty long.  "Think inside out." | |
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Hey, this is kind of interesting. You know Nancy Grace, right?? Well, she has been reprimanded by the courts in Georgia 3 times for unethical behavior regard to evidence in cases that she prosecuted. Hey, it's one thing to be a victims' rights advocate, and quite another to try to insure a defendant's conviction illegally. I just found-out that little tid-bit on Larry King.
I wonder when did THEY found out about this. Cause she used to be their host as one of the "experts" - BITCH!!! "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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Angel444 said: (my first, i believe, and last post. took me awhile to figure out how to do it. lol. am not staying around here so wont be responding. sorry. much love to all)
I'm an old school Jackson fan(atic). I am just 5 yrs younger than Mike, so when I say old I mean it. lol. I remember watching Mike on T.V. back in the day when mics were not cordless and being in awe of how he spun around wrapping the mic cord around him then spinning out of it. I remember going to school and arguing who was better the Jacksons or the Osmonds. lol I have been a huge supporter from album, to casset, to CD. Don't get me wrong, I am not braggin just trying to establish where I came from to now.... I don't hate Mike and never will, but my admiration began to waver a few years after the '93 aligation. When the 93 aligations came out I thought "no way, not Mike". Many of us (fans) tried to stay rational: 1. Mike is totaly innocent and will be vendicated or 2. Mike just dodged a bullet we hope he realizes it and gets help. We believed these two statements and hung on..... Things were cool for a few years. Mike got married a couple of times had a couple of kids, the public and his peers seemed to be as rational as we, the fans, and continued to admire his talents and the legend he was becoming. Then Invincible came out and things began to go down hill..... Suddenly all Mike could think of was who to blame for the wavering sells. Sony may not have done the best at promotion but hey Mike is the "King of Pop" when he drops an album people know it. So instead of admitting the album may have not been his best work and getting his butt back in the studio, he starts this weird conspiracy promotion. All I could think during this time was "Come on Mike, the majority of the public are laughing at you. Just brush off the poor sells and come back hard with some killer music", but he didn't or couldn't step away from blaming everyone else but himself and he didn't stop there..... It is as though he and some of the fans just broke away from the rest of us. Makes me sad to watch it all. Hearing (reading) fans say how people should die (reporters, the judge, etc). Mike fans don't say that shit! Example: When Debbie was going to testify : "Debbie is a fat bitch " then when she was good on the stand for Mike, "Oops guess she's not so bad". The judge makes a ruling that does not favor the defense and suddenly he is a racist pig. Then there is the thing going around that these current charges all go back to Sony. I get so embarrassed at the way some of the fans are now days. (I did say "some") Support and love the guy but realize he does make mistakes Do I think Mike is innocent of these current charges? Yeah. Do I think he dodged a couple of bullets in the early 90's? Perhaps. Do I think he will be found guilty? No. Do I think he will stop pointing at others and take on some responsability for his mistakes? I pray so. I just want to shake him and say "Come back Mike..... thanks for sharing your viewpoint...  Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. |
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Sos and others should check out the doc "Camp MJ" on jetzi
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what the hell can take so long about making such an obvious dicision - that MIKE IS INNOCENT!!!!! DAMN IT, JURY!!!!! "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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Cloudbuster said: sag10 said: Has anyone gone over to MJJSource.com, and read Messereau's closing arguments?
Very, very interesting. That was mighty long. I did read this. Thought it was excellently done. | |
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Floppy said: Cloudbuster said: That was mighty long.
I did read this. Thought it was excellently done. "Think inside out." | |
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dag said: what the hell can take so long about making such an obvious dicision - that MIKE IS INNOCENT!!!!! DAMN IT, JURY!!!!!
I'm with Marrk on this one. I'd rather they take their time and cover all possible ground as opposed to rushing a verdict. But I hear you, no matter the verdict, after reading as much info as possible as far as I'm concerned Michael is innocent. The whole thing stinks of a set-up. I just hope that's the decision that the jury come to. "Think inside out." | |
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Cloudbuster said: dag said: what the hell can take so long about making such an obvious dicision - that MIKE IS INNOCENT!!!!! DAMN IT, JURY!!!!!
I'm with Marrk on this one. I'd rather they take their time and cover all possible ground as opposed to rushing a verdict. But I hear you, no matter the verdict, after reading as much info as possible as far as I'm concerned Michael is innocent. The whole thing stinks of a set-up. I just hope that's the decision that the jury come to. Why dont they work weekends the dipshits? This is Mikes life on the line. Fuck sake, its unfair on Michael. Should of taken no more then 4 days. This ain't no game! | |
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Uh-oh!
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Old news. | |
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calldapplwondery83 said: Old news.
From where? | |
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