Mindbells9 said:

From 2017 until November of this year, there will have been 19 Frank Zappa multi disc box sets. Deluxe editions containing studio sessions, multiple concerts, demos, alternates, etc. Hopefully one day we'll get that lucky. Surely, Prince's vault has way more material than even Zappa's legendary vault! His fans are getting at least 3 box sets a year for the past 6 years or so! Frank Zappa's estate has proven that if you give the fans what they want, they'll spend the money to make the vault a profitable money maker for years to come. There's more than enough material in Prince's vault to satisfy new fans, casual fans, hardcore lifelong fans, completists, etc. Release it!

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There are several things the Prince estate could/should learn from the Zappa estate regarding their vault releases:
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– the Zappa estate focuses on content, not on fancy packaging and especially not on putting everything on vinyl too
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– they curate releases far better, resulting in smaller, more frequent releases that are more coherent in their contents, instead of trying to put as much as possible into one box, just because they are from the same year

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– they understand the marketing value in creating a series: each of their titles carries a number, that clearly shows the original order in they were released. I know it was Frank who started it in his lifetime when he made the Rykodisc catalog deal, but since then, all his releases carries a FZ number, with Freak Out being FZ1 and the latest one is (I think) FZ126 or so. People love collecting entire series. When releases are clearly numbered, it's easy to see which ones you're missing so you're encouraged to seek out the gaps in your collection. If the Prince estate would put out a Madhouse box set now, it would practically go unnoticed by the general public (outside of P fans) because they never heard about Madhouse and if FOR THEM it doesn't have a clear place in the Prince-catalog, they will not buy it.
Most well-run catalog release programs use numbering and consistent formats. See the Neil Young Archives or the Joni Mitchell Archives, for example. The Prince estate releases so far are a total mess.
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– Quality mixes and mastering. They know what they're doing. Unlike...
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bluegangsta said:

lustmealways said:

my dad swears that one time he saw a hubcap fall off a car's wheel, roll a good distance down the street, then come perfectly to rest against the wall of a hubcap shop

A shop that just sells hubcaps? Amazing.

Ramzoo said:

love2thenines2003 said:

Several videos pro shot have been filmed for the D&P tOUR (London ones , Paris & others)...would be cool to get as a bonus a full show of the proper Tour too ?

Indeed. Paris would B great as I attended the 4 shows.

Can't wait for the videos from the tour. The live dvd, bluray is worth the purchase price alone. That said if you're living on the streets probably not realistic.

Paris is always a great show. Just ask da cruise https://rb.gy/k8pgh

Kares said:

Mindbells9 said:

From 2017 until November of this year, there will have been 19 Frank Zappa multi disc box sets. Deluxe editions containing studio sessions, multiple concerts, demos, alternates, etc. Hopefully one day we'll get that lucky. Surely, Prince's vault has way more material than even Zappa's legendary vault! His fans are getting at least 3 box sets a year for the past 6 years or so! Frank Zappa's estate has proven that if you give the fans what they want, they'll spend the money to make the vault a profitable money maker for years to come. There's more than enough material in Prince's vault to satisfy new fans, casual fans, hardcore lifelong fans, completists, etc. Release it!

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There are several things the Prince estate could/should learn from the Zappa estate regarding their vault releases:
.
– the Zappa estate focuses on content, not on fancy packaging and especially not on putting everything on vinyl too
.
– they curate releases far better, resulting in smaller, more frequent releases that are more coherent in their contents, instead of trying to put as much as possible into one box, just because they are from the same year

.
– they understand the marketing value in creating a series: each of their titles carries a number, that clearly shows the original order in they were released. I know it was Frank who started it in his lifetime when he made the Rykodisc catalog deal, but since then, all his releases carries a FZ number, with Freak Out being FZ1 and the latest one is (I think) FZ126 or so. People love collecting entire series. When releases are clearly numbered, it's easy to see which ones you're missing so you're encouraged to seek out the gaps in your collection. If the Prince estate would put out a Madhouse box set now, it would practically go unnoticed by the general public (outside of P fans) because they never heard about Madhouse and if FOR THEM it doesn't have a clear place in the Prince-catalog, they will not buy it.
Most well-run catalog release programs use numbering and consistent formats. See the Neil Young Archives or the Joni Mitchell Archives, for example. The Prince estate releases so far are a total mess.
.
– Quality mixes and mastering. They know what they're doing. Unlike...
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It was sad that Zappa Estate vs. Prince Estate comparison thread was moved to non-Prince.

I feel it's absolutely germaine to the discussion what/how other Estate's treat their money makers, and it should be a larger discussion 'round these parts, but any comparison thread will likely get moved again.

Best point is the # series marketing and emphasizing the "Prince" connection even if the formal artist isn't "Prince". But of course, the Prince Estate and a solid chunk of fans seem him as more of a "pop star" so he gets the Britney Spears kind of marketing treatment instead of the professional artist archival treatment. Even the various re-issues of stuff like the Chaka record would benefit from at least a sticker or something promoting it's really a Prince album.

Especially because even entry-level Prince fans like name-checking famous songs he "gave away" like "Nothing Compares 2 U" while assertively sleeping-on the other hundreds of songs he gave away until the Prince vocal demos get released.

WhisperingDandelions said:

Kares said:

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There are several things the Prince estate could/should learn from the Zappa estate regarding their vault releases:
.
– the Zappa estate focuses on content, not on fancy packaging and especially not on putting everything on vinyl too
.
– they curate releases far better, resulting in smaller, more frequent releases that are more coherent in their contents, instead of trying to put as much as possible into one box, just because they are from the same year

.
– they understand the marketing value in creating a series: each of their titles carries a number, that clearly shows the original order in they were released. I know it was Frank who started it in his lifetime when he made the Rykodisc catalog deal, but since then, all his releases carries a FZ number, with Freak Out being FZ1 and the latest one is (I think) FZ126 or so. People love collecting entire series. When releases are clearly numbered, it's easy to see which ones you're missing so you're encouraged to seek out the gaps in your collection. If the Prince estate would put out a Madhouse box set now, it would practically go unnoticed by the general public (outside of P fans) because they never heard about Madhouse and if FOR THEM it doesn't have a clear place in the Prince-catalog, they will not buy it.
Most well-run catalog release programs use numbering and consistent formats. See the Neil Young Archives or the Joni Mitchell Archives, for example. The Prince estate releases so far are a total mess.
.
– Quality mixes and mastering. They know what they're doing. Unlike...
.

[Edited 9/2/23 9:11am]

It was sad that Zappa Estate vs. Prince Estate comparison thread was moved to non-Prince.

I feel it's absolutely germaine to the discussion what/how other Estate's treat their money makers, and it should be a larger discussion 'round these parts, but any comparison thread will likely get moved again.

Best point is the # series marketing and emphasizing the "Prince" connection even if the formal artist isn't "Prince". But of course, the Prince Estate and a solid chunk of fans seem him as more of a "pop star" so he gets the Britney Spears kind of marketing treatment instead of the professional artist archival treatment. Even the various re-issues of stuff like the Chaka record would benefit from at least a sticker or something promoting it's really a Prince album.

Especially because even entry-level Prince fans like name-checking famous songs he "gave away" like "Nothing Compares 2 U" while assertively sleeping-on the other hundreds of songs he gave away until the Prince vocal demos get released.

Funkadelic released a lot of seperate re-issue LPs, with on the front; "They Playes A Huge Role In Creating The Future Of Music. Prince", on all of 'm.

Kares said:

There are several things the Prince estate could/should learn from the Zappa estate regarding their vault releases:
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– the Zappa estate focuses on content, not on fancy packaging and especially not on putting everything on vinyl too

Well, the question is : would vinyl lovers be upset if some of the releases include extra content on the CD edition in order to put out more music ?

Knowing the Prince fanbase, the answer would probably be "Yes"

Anyway, maybe that's a question the new Estate should ask to the fans...

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Kares said:!

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There are several things the Prince estate could/should learn from the Zappa estate regarding their vault releases:
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– the Zappa estate focuses on content, not on fancy packaging and especially not on putting everything on vinyl too

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[Edited 9/2/23 9:11am]

The Prince Estate shouldn't learn too much from the Zappa Family Trust. Too many posthumous releases are live material, whereas the prince estate have the right balance between studio recordings and live.

I take some issue with the assortment of deluxe edition material they put together, in terms of track order and recording dates of the tracks. But that's being nitpicky. Basically, just make things sequence better that are more agreeable to the diehard fan, more harmonious.

So like this...

Not this.

AHAH!

"...I'll show my ----, if u show your ----"

Now i get the lyric!

The timing for Cream (Take 2) is showing up on iTunes so looks like that'll be the next one out, maybe Friday

dodger07 said:

The timing for Cream (Take 2) is showing up on iTunes so looks like that'll be the next one out, maybe Friday

Cream is cool. It's definitly not a second take of the song though.

It starts with the cowbell and a bit of the organ before Prince counts the rest of the song in. His vocal is overly distorted, but the structure is clearly in his head. The guitar takes a bit of getting used to - given how rough it sounds and he's still figuring it out. But, by the end, particularly during the instrumental repreis, the track rocks out well.

bluegangsta said:

dodger07 said:

The timing for Cream (Take 2) is showing up on iTunes so looks like that'll be the next one out, maybe Friday

Cream is cool. It's definitly not a second take of the song though.

It starts with the cowbell and a bit of the organ before Prince counts the rest of the song in. His vocal is overly distorted, but the structure is clearly in his head. The guitar takes a bit of getting used to - given how rough it sounds and he's still figuring it out. But, by the end, particularly during the instrumental repreis, the track rocks out well.

How can you possibly know?

fortuneandserendipity said:

The Prince Estate shouldn't learn too much from the Zappa Family Trust. Too many posthumous releases are live material, whereas the prince estate have the right balance between studio recordings and live.

I agree that there are too many live releases for Frank Zappa but 30 years after his death, what's left in the Zappa Vault when it comes to studio material ?

As far as Prince is concerned, well most of the studio archives are yet to be released so it shouldn't be a problem to release as much as possible.

The live stuff should the bonus.

When it comes to studio songs, it's time to unhearth the bone for good now.

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dodger07 said:

The timing for Cream (Take 2) is showing up on iTunes so looks like that'll be the next one out, maybe Friday

Still nothing yet, if not mistaken.

Marco81 said:

bluegangsta said:

Cream is cool. It's definitly not a second take of the song though.

It starts with the cowbell and a bit of the organ before Prince counts the rest of the song in. His vocal is overly distorted, but the structure is clearly in his head. The guitar takes a bit of getting used to - given how rough it sounds and he's still figuring it out. But, by the end, particularly during the instrumental repreis, the track rocks out well.

How can you possibly know?

Because there have been listening sessions for a few weeks now from various people.

bluegangsta said:

JorisE73 said:

Marco81 said:

How can you possibly know?

Because there have been listening sessions for a few weeks now from various people.

Nothing to do with listening sessions. I've heard most of the tracks another way.

Landonfunkmonkey said:

bluegangsta said:

Cream is cool. It's definitly not a second take of the song though.

It starts with the cowbell and a bit of the organ before Prince counts the rest of the song in. His vocal is overly distorted, but the structure is clearly in his head. The guitar takes a bit of getting used to - given how rough it sounds and he's still figuring it out. But, by the end, particularly during the instrumental repreis, the track rocks out well.

Did you get to hear blood on the Sheets?

Yes - RnR Instrumental. It sounds vaguely familiar to me - maybe he's played it live at some point?

bluegangsta said:

bluegangsta said:

Landonfunkmonkey said:

bluegangsta said:

Yes - RnR Instrumental. It sounds vaguely familiar to me - maybe he's played it live at some point?

Thanks, I had a feeling it might be an instrumental. Can I ask from what you've heard would be your stand out song? Both Duane and Charles Spicer mention I Pledge Allegiance to your love as a highlight [Edited 9/5/23 22:56pm] [Edited 9/5/23 23:32pm]

I cant recall hearing that one. Byt "My Tender Heart Mix 2.1) is reminicient of Lover Never Has To Say Goodbye and Damn U. It's something of a highlight. Prince's vocals are sublime.

bluegangsta said:

bluegangsta said:

Landonfunkmonkey said:

Hopefully we'll get another song from the set made available today

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Maybe Cream (take 2) (sigh)

Is the time between the announcement and the date of release usual?

themanfromneptune said:

Landonfunkmonkey said:

Hopefully we'll get another song from the set made available today

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Maybe Cream (take 2) (sigh)

Can't say 100% it'll be today but that's next, with the timing being shown on iTunes.

I suppose we'd have preferred an unreleased track

dodger07 said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

The Prince Estate shouldn't learn too much from the Zappa Family Trust. Too many posthumous releases are live material, whereas the prince estate have the right balance between studio recordings and live.

eh I disagree even as someone who prefers studio content.

He's got one of the biggest live legacies in history and they used to give us 2 full-length shows per SDE, now it's down to 1 full-length show spread out over 3 discs. They should be doing way more with his massive live archives. Out of everything that would be the content picture-perfect for a web store or NPG Music Club rebirth. To be able to pull up an 80s calendar and go through a bunch of shows from a specific year.

Why is the gap between the announcement and date of release so great?