yeah, fuck all those essays, where are the interviews with and the stories from the band members?

WhisperingDandelions said:

dodger07 said:

themanfromneptune said: The way Clockin The Jizz was joined with Gangster Glam on the maxi, home video and even combined on some remixes it seems strange to not include it. . Same with the early version of The Flow, with Rosie on and was even on early configurations of the album. You’d think that was a no brainier . These could be in place of the edits, which I’ve never understood why anyone would want them

I don't get why anyone would want a remaster of an album released in 1991 CD era,

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a) Mastering technology has come a long way since then.

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b) A 1990s master often "sounds" 1990s, with a lot of mid and not enough bass.

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c) Remastering it now means you can ensure that all tracks can be mixed in a playlist and you don't get wildly different audio levels. Moreover, they can also be mixed with other albums that were mixed along the same standard.

LILpoundCAKE said:

yeah, fuck all those essays, where are the interviews with and the stories from the band members?

i liked the duff mckagan piece in the 1999 SDE

some contextual essays by swenson and tudahl are good i think

i dont need overly political axe grinding essays though

or pointless celeb 'notes' or 'introductions' that add nothing

but yeah id like some interviews with band members, for sure

michael bland especially - hes always good in interviews

be a shame if he has no input on this

i know people are unhappy to not have two live shows, but after the SOTT utrecht show sounding limp AF, maybe this show will at least be a great document of the tour/band at this stage. though it now makes me wish the first ave show of the SOTT tour was on the SOTT SDE instead.

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bizzie said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

I don't get why anyone would want a remaster of an album released in 1991 CD era,

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a) Mastering technology has come a long way since then.

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b) A 1990s master often "sounds" 1990s, with a lot of mid and not enough bass.

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c) Remastering it now means you can ensure that all tracks can be mixed in a playlist and you don't get wildly different audio levels. Moreover, they can also be mixed with other albums that were mixed along the same standard.

yeah yeah, the same propaganda hype I've been reading about "remasters" since I was getting banned from AOL chatrooms in the 4th grade.

Fact remains 90% of them suck in actual practice.

Playlist schmaylist. Sick of gotdam playlists. Society needs to break free from this strangehold the stupid playlist has taken over the very fabric of social existence. Every website now you can't bring up a single obscuro track without a "UH, you got a SPOTIFY PLAYLIST there?!?!?" "nope they're uh, not on Spotify.." "............................................." Adjusting the vol. literally one click...

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

i know people are unhappy to not have two live shows,

I'm the only one I've seen vehemently unhappy about it. General reaction seems somewhere on the range from "meh, okay with it" to "very grateful we don't have to play the BluRay on the kids backseat A/V setup when we want to bump the live show in our cars."

I just wanna know if that was what Dr. Dingleberry was alluding to when he said something about how "ingrates and infantile ingnoramuses will be complaining about this when they simply don't understand the intracies of putting together a release" blah blah whatever he was alluding to while trying to blatantly jack Prince's trademark crypicisms.

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Number one on Amazon, R&B, number 4 cds overall. Explains why the family put this out; we may have the first hit Prince album in years.

WhisperingDandelions said:

bizzie said:

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a) Mastering technology has come a long way since then.

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b) A 1990s master often "sounds" 1990s, with a lot of mid and not enough bass.

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c) Remastering it now means you can ensure that all tracks can be mixed in a playlist and you don't get wildly different audio levels. Moreover, they can also be mixed with other albums that were mixed along the same standard.

yeah yeah, the same propaganda hype I've been reading about "remasters" since I was getting banned from AOL chatrooms in the 4th grade.

Fact remains 90% of them suck in actual practice.

Playlist schmaylist. Sick of gotdam playlists. Society needs to break free from this strangehold the stupid playlist has taken over the very fabric of social existence. Every website now you can't bring up a single obscuro track without a "UH, you got a SPOTIFY PLAYLIST there?!?!?" "nope they're uh, not on Spotify.." "............................................." Adjusting the vol. literally one click...

ha. im also unconvinced about most remasters. though i did like the late 90s stevie wonder and marvin gaye ones where they had an extra disc of unreleased material (i guess this was the same as the prince SDEs, just not as massive). but a lot of modern remasters seem to be designed to please streamers, or done in mind with modern production tastes (eg the recent stones exile on main street i remember being really weird if you have heard the original). im sure there are some good ones, and its prob just me being a purist, but i tend to think, what was released, is how it was meant to be really. except in some circumstances, when an alternative mix can make the album quite different, like the iggy pop mix of raw power, but even then, the bowie mix, for its oddness, still rules lol. it was released that way for a reason. D&P sounds thin, a bit weedy in places (thunder), cos yknow, it was released in 1991.

Should Letter 4 Miles be on this set?

there is no consistency on these sets lol. but maybe that was really recorded earlier, who knows.

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Landonfunkmonkey said:

themanfromneptune said:

one day we will get 79 mins of gett off house mixes that we all deserve.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

one day we will get 79 mins of gett off house mixes that we all deserve.

And they'll all sound the same too.

happyshopper said:

Landonfunkmonkey said:

Should Letter 4 Miles be on this set? Finished in Feb 1992. Surely a Lovesymbol track.

I’ve always suspected that dates “experts” think they know may not be correct… or not the whole story. Maybe something small was added or remixed in Feb 92, but rest was recorded far earlier.

It is arguably a track as it was originally recorded in September 1991 along with tracks like My Name Is Prince and Gett Off's Cousin.

And you'd know all that if you'd checked the 1990-1992 chapter of The Chronological Prince ...ings Index.

PRNelson said:

themanfromneptune said:

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Uh? Is it not on CD2?

14. Willing And Able (Video Version) [SINGLE MIXES & EDITS (REMASTERED)]

Appreciated 👍🏻 balance has now restored to the universe

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My pleasure

getwild180 said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

Gotta eat some humble pie here and say that I'm really happy with this release. I was sure they'd tie the blu-ray to the vinyl like they did with W2A, but they seemed to have heard our complaints and didn't do that. And at $102 Canadian, this is completely reasonable. Sure I'd like to have the audio of a different live show, but I can see the other side, too. Anyway, well done.

eyewishuheaven said:

scififilmnerd said:

And you'd know all that if you'd checked the 1990-1992 chapter of The Chronological Prince ...ings Index.

That site isn't the end-all be-all, either; for example, Brenda Bennet has stated quite clearly in interviews that Manic Monday was originally recorded by Vanity for the second V6 album, but that site lists its first recording being in 1984. It also makes sense that Manic Monday was recorded earlier, as its melody is quite similar to that of the verses of 1999, and Princevault notes in its Trivia section that Prince's original organ arrangement uses the Oberheim OB-X and that this is unusual because by 1984 Prince rarely used the OB-X and had moved-on to using the newer OB-8. The OB-X was what he used to record 1999 and Vanity 6.

Now perhaps 1984 was the first documented recording of Manic Monday, as we all know Prince recorded a lot on the road and in his home studios, but documentation of all that won't ever be as complete as studio recording session records.

themanfromneptune said:

love2thenines2003 said:

The new single rumoured 2 come from D&P has already been played by Sheila E ...21 years ago !!

Sheila E. - Alice Through The Looking Glass - Live @Paisley Park (Xenophobia Celebration) on june 22, 2002 (support act 4 Prince)

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Yes, we told about this yesterday in this thread.

Well... you told this yesterday!

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Sheila E has been performing this live for over 30 years. I first heard it on her Sex Cymbal tour in '91. I wonder if it was slated for her abandoned album on Paisley? Anyone know for sure??

strongoxman1 said:

Brenda Bennet has stated quite clearly in interviews that Manic Monday was originally recorded by Vanity for the second V6 album

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So it wasn't written by Apollonia after all?

strongoxman1 said:

scififilmnerd said:

And you'd know all that if you'd checked the 1990-1992 chapter of The Chronological Prince ...ings Index.

That site isn't the end-all be-all, either; for example, Brenda Bennet has stated quite clearly in interviews that Manic Monday was originally recorded by Vanity for the second V6 album, but that site lists its first recording being in 1984. It also makes sense that Manic Monday was recorded earlier, as its melody is quite similar to that of the verses of 1999, and Princevault notes in its Trivia section that Prince's original organ arrangement uses the Oberheim OB-X and that this is unusual because by 1984 Prince rarely used the OB-X and had moved-on to using the newer OB-8. The OB-X was what he used to record 1999 and Vanity 6.

Now perhaps 1984 was the first documented recording of Manic Monday, as we all know Prince recorded a lot on the road and in his home studios, but documentation of all that won't ever be as complete as studio recording session records.

I haven't read or heard any interviews with Brenda saying Manic Monday was written for Vanity 6. If you could orgnote me links to any, I'd be delighted to read/hear them. But, in the recent Apollonia Studio 6 episode on YouTube with Duane Tudahl, Apollonia goes on about how she wrote the lyrics for Glam Life, Manic Monday which Prince then made into songs. Also, PrinceVault has it from 4 February 1984 too. So who's right? Brenda or Apollonia?

scififilmnerd said:

strongoxman1 said:

That site isn't the end-all be-all, either; for example, Brenda Bennet has stated quite clearly in interviews that Manic Monday was originally recorded by Vanity for the second V6 album, but that site lists its first recording being in 1984. It also makes sense that Manic Monday was recorded earlier, as its melody is quite similar to that of the verses of 1999, and Princevault notes in its Trivia section that Prince's original organ arrangement uses the Oberheim OB-X and that this is unusual because by 1984 Prince rarely used the OB-X and had moved-on to using the newer OB-8. The OB-X was what he used to record 1999 and Vanity 6.

Now perhaps 1984 was the first documented recording of Manic Monday, as we all know Prince recorded a lot on the road and in his home studios, but documentation of all that won't ever be as complete as studio recording session records.

I haven't read or heard any interviews with Brenda saying Manic Monday was written for Vanity 6. If you could orgnote me links to any, I'd be delighted to read/hear them. But, in the recent Apollonia Studio 6 episode on YouTube with Duane Tudahl, Apollonia goes on about how she wrote the lyrics for Glam Life, Manic Monday which Prince then made into songs. Also, PrinceVault has it from 4 February 1984 too. So who's right? Brenda or Apollonia?

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Or Susan Rogers or Peggy McCreary?
They also have different memories of P writing Manic Monday.
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Apollonia's "proof" is a notebook with 2 missing pages. The thing is, I also have an old notebook with a few missing pages, so I also must've written songs with Prince.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

eduJ said:

themanfromneptune said:

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Yes, we told about this yesterday in this thread.

Well... you told this yesterday!

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Sheila E has been performing this live for over 30 years. I first heard it on her Sex Cymbal tour in '91. I wonder if it was slated for her abandoned album on Paisley? Anyone know for sure??

if this is the case, it's a small wonder she hasn't come out yet, telling us all about how she wrote it
and got prince to do a version following her lead vocal.