its unfortunate that he toured instead of really working on GB

Hit-N-Run shows. All it did was frustrate and piss people off. He lost many a fan that way.

funksterr said:

Hit-N-Run shows. All it did was frustrate and piss people off. He lost many a fan that way.

why? because he didn't announce the shows? I missed him five years ago because of that but I wasn't angry about it, only at myself. I've missed springsteen a couple times too and felt bad about it. Life doesn't afford me the time to keep my ear to the ground.

PeteSilas said:

funksterr said:

Hit-N-Run shows. All it did was frustrate and piss people off. He lost many a fan that way.

why? because he didn't announce the shows? I missed him five years ago because of that but I wasn't angry about it, only at myself. I've missed springsteen a couple times too and felt bad about it. Life doesn't afford me the time to keep my ear to the ground.

Yep most people are that way. He was doing that as far back as the 80's. Casual fans would just give up on him a lot of times.

Overcalculating.

Disbanding The Time, although I can understand the feeling of danger felt by Prince:
"Is my side act going to be more successful than I am?"

But I can't help but thinking about Jam & Lewis running A&R for Paisley Park Records.
Janet, The Human League, etc... The label could have been big.
They would have brought in the cash, and Prince would have been free to put out a record every month, as he intended.
Warner would have sustained his (very expensive) regimen with PPR able to produce Top 10 singles.

TXfan said:

Trusting street bought pills vs. pharmacy bought pills which he had just filled the day before. There’s no way I would taken anything other than trusted pharmacy pills after overdosing just days earlier. That kind of scare would have had my ass in rehab and church no matter what people thought of me. I always thought Prince was too smart for that.

Out of all the stuff thats relates to his death the buying of street pills seems to be the only real fact, unfortunetly seeking the right help was too late and who knows at that point whether he was really going to go through with it, doctors/rehab ect. If only he had another "Black Album' moment and go cold turkey with that shit.

Dimitri10 said:

TheTruth123 said:

Dimitri10 said:

Out of all the stuff thats relates to his death the buying of street pills seems to be the only real fact, unfortunetly seeking the right help was too late and who knows at that point whether he was really going to go through with it, doctors/rehab ect. If only he had another "Black Album' moment and go cold turkey with that shit.

This is the way it ended. We are sad, yes. But he had performed at such high levels for so many years and played music every day, his body was wore out. He was tired. And he didn’t have the love in his life he so wanted to keep him warm. I believe he just didn’t see a reason for another go-round. His life was a gift and he was a gift to all who were lucky enough to be around him. The most loved artist of our time.

He did give us so much. I still wonder if he was really sick as well as addicted. In that case, trying to give up what gave him comfort would have not made sense.

Either way, he did seem done.

1st - think that Under the Cherry Moon was a wise follow-up to PR

and

2nd - thinking that Graffiti Bridge was a wise sequel to PR

bonatoc said:

Disbanding The Time, although I can understand the feeling of danger felt by Prince:
"Is my side act going to be more successful than I am?"

But I can't help but thinking about Jam & Lewis running A&R for Paisley Park Records.
Janet, The Human League, etc... The label could have been big.
They would have brought in the cash, and Prince would have been free to put out a record every month, as he intended.
Warner would have sustained his (very expensive) regimen with PPR able to produce Top 10 singles.

that was a huge one but you know, i just watched a little thing on wilt chamberlain, the giant basketball player, people were saying how much greater he could have been if he'd had more intensity, people would have gotten injured but he would have accomplished a lot more but as one guy said "we are victims of our own personalities".

PeteSilas said:

bonatoc said:

Disbanding The Time, although I can understand the feeling of danger felt by Prince:
"Is my side act going to be more successful than I am?"

But I can't help but thinking about Jam & Lewis running A&R for Paisley Park Records.
Janet, The Human League, etc... The label could have been big.
They would have brought in the cash, and Prince would have been free to put out a record every month, as he intended.
Warner would have sustained his (very expensive) regimen with PPR able to produce Top 10 singles.

that was a huge one but you know, i just watched a little thing on wilt chamberlain, the giant basketball player, people were saying how much greater he could have been if he'd had more intensity, people would have gotten injured but he would have accomplished a lot more but as one guy said "we are victims of our own personalities".

Oh, I'm just chiming in.
I'm not appreciating Prince's life in terms of miscalculations or achievements. Fuck that Rat Race.
The only thing he ever really calculated how much less BPM you need in order to record at the speed required for Camille to be born.

As for the rest and things we would like to have gone our way, imagine you're in Prince's shoes, and ask yourself a question.
When was the last time you got a full night sleep? For a guy in constant motion, time probably ran at another pace than ours.
Imagine the solitude, as a human being. You're almost always waiting for everyone to catch up. You have to convince them.
You have to prove you're the shit. Win their hearts. Make them adhere to your vision. Once you're done, it's taken months,
and other visions are already there, and you feel like everyone is late. It's only natural you get the fits from, err... time to time.

For Prince to overcome his childhood insecurities (how much mascara does one person need? How large must the mask be?),
love and friendship must be forever (ah, romance). It's all or nothing. Any attempt to move away from him is experienced as betrayal.
I don't think it was selfish, though. He felt he had a mission. Prince must have astonished himself at times, and the fact that "Special Thanks 2 God" was the first liner note
is proof he himself had trouble rationalizing his own talents.

Prince simply waited for his body to catch up with what was already in his mind, hoping constant training would be the key.
From the Capri Theatre to the 1st Avenue Benefit Concert for Minnesota Dance Theatre in UNDER FIVE YEARS.
From stage clumsiness to the most complete pop performer ever to witness a stage. From debut falsetto shyness to instant classic rock'n'roll defeaning screams.
In under five years. Everytime we're talking about Prince, we're talking about someone whose very existence distorts the meaning of "normality".
That we shoud remember before we judge any of Prince's decisions or choices.

These imaginary betrayals must have been pretty heavy on a hypersensitive guy.
"Old Friends 4 Sale" goes right through your heart not because it rings true: that's what regular pop music does.
It goes right through your heart because it IS true. Here lies all the difference between an honest man and the dream factory.

[Edited 12/5/18 16:24pm]

i'm not criticizing him, i'm saying something more along the lines of his personality was what it was and I might add that maybe if that were changed in any way it wouldn't be prince as we've known him.

bonatoc said:

PeteSilas said:

that was a huge one but you know, i just watched a little thing on wilt chamberlain, the giant basketball player, people were saying how much greater he could have been if he'd had more intensity, people would have gotten injured but he would have accomplished a lot more but as one guy said "we are victims of our own personalities".

Oh, I'm just chiming in.
I'm not appreciating Prince's life in terms of miscalculations or achievements. Fuck that Rat Race.
The only thing he ever really calculated how much less BPM you need in order to record at the speed required for Camille to be born.

As for the rest and things we would like to have gone our way, imagine you're in Prince's shoes, and ask yourself a question.
When was the last time you got a full night sleep? For a guy in constant motion, time probably ran at another pace than ours.
Imagine the solitude, as a human being. You're almost always waiting for everyone to catch up. You have to convince them.
You have to prove you're the shit. Win their hearts. Make them adhere to your vision. Once you're done, it's taken months,
and other visions are already there, and you feel like everyone is late. It's only natural you get the fits from, err... time to time.

For Prince to overcome his childhood insecurities (how much mascara does one person need? How large must the mask be?),
love and friendship must be forever (ah, romance). It's all or nothing. Any attempt to move away from him is experienced as betrayal.
I don't think it was selfish, though. He felt he had a mission. Prince must have astonished himself at times, and the fact that "Special Thanks 2 God" was the first liner note
is proof he himself had trouble rationalizing his own talents.

Prince simply waited for his body to catch up with what was already in his mind, hoping constant training would be the key.
From the Capri Theatre to the 1st Avenue Benefit Concert for Minnesota Dance Theatre in UNDER FIVE YEARS.
From stage clumsiness to the most complete pop performer ever to witness a stage. From debut falsetto shyness to instant classic rock'n'roll defeaning screams.
In under five years. Everytime we're talking about Prince, we're talking about someone whose very existence distorts the meaning of "normality".
That we shoud remember before we judge any of Prince's decisions or choices.

These imaginary betrayals must have been pretty heavy on a hypersensitive guy.
"Old Friends 4 Sale" goes right through your heart not because it rings true: that's what regular pop music does.
It goes right through your heart because it IS true. Here lies all the difference between an honest man and the dream factory.

[Edited 12/5/18 16:24pm]

Musician9 said:

1) Not touring a bit longer for Purple Rain, and a short summer leg in Europe, the summer gigs could've satisfied ATWIAD fans and promoted the album.

2) Not going out dancing the night of the We Are The World session. I understand him trying to be cool and all, but all he had to do was sit in his hotel room for a few hours, but no...

3) Making Under The Cherry Moon, he knew it was shite and so did we. Epic waste of time and resources.

4) Dedicating so much energy and time to Sheila E. I never understood his devotion to her so-called career other than he was banging her, but I guess it proves he loved her in the end.

5) Not touring a bit longer for Parade in the US, his tours were too short in this period. All that hype for 30 some odd dates.

6) The big one. not touring US for SOTT, goes without saying, career killer in my book, he got scared then he got lazy.

7) Posing bare-ass on Lovesexy, career killer dittto, what was he thinking? What normal grown man wants to thumb through his vinyl collection and and have to look at a nude effeminate man on its cover? Not me. Sorry, this is not art, unless it's the art of sabotaging your own album.

8) Graffitti Bridge, enough said.

9) Not touring the US for Diamonds And Pearls.

By this stage, changing his name and going to war with Warner Brothers was hardly his biggest error in my opinion. P fudcked up about a hundred times along the way. At this point, for me, Classic Prince was finished and never to return, wandering in a maze he couldn't exit for over a decade and I truly never regained my love for him or his catalogue. So for me it will always be 80's Prince from 82-88, a good run like most acts get but he dropped the ball so many times when he had it squarely in his hands... I call him butterfingers.

So you dont like Prince then?

Wow, that's a lot of "career killers" for a dude that had a legendary career that lasted over 35 years.

bonatoc said:

CatB said:

AnnaSantana said:

CatB said:

Larry Graham

DING ding we have a winner

so wrong...without larry his drug problem wouldve been worse or surfaced sooner

luvsexy4all said:

AnnaSantana said:

CatB said: DING ding we have a winner

so wrong...without larry his drug problem wouldve been worse or surfaced sooner

maybe or, maybe he'd have had all the surgical help he'd needed

Buttox said:

Not letting Maurice White produce his first album. Learning discipline, hooks and melodies from Earth Wind and Fire would have probably catapulted him into Beatles territory with his catalogue. Less quirky but much more relevant...

"is maurice white suppossed to impress me? all he can do is play bass!""

luvsexy4all said:

AnnaSantana said:

CatB said: DING ding we have a winner

so wrong...without larry his drug problem wouldve been worse or surfaced sooner

I dont believe this to be true.

PeteSilas said:

herb4 said:

Quicho1 said:

America (longer edit w/more of the guitar solo from the 20+ min. version)

You won't have that. They jammed live until they ran out of tape.

bonatoc said:

Quicho1 said:

bonatoc said:

You won't have that. They jammed live until they ran out of tape.

Guess I'm thinking along the lines of the nearly 9 minute long fan-created version found on YouTube. Some of the guitar solos are used there. Imo the edit on ATWIAD is weak because it is faded so early, due both to space as well as Prince already de-emphasizing the rock elements of PR. Of course, the 12" release will still have the 21 minute version. [Edited 12/11/18 4:35am]

Maybe there is video of it that is longer. Since Prince is said to have recorded everything.

Buttox said:

TwiliteKid said:

Buttox said:

It is just an opinion...no need to get shirty and defensive about it....people are allowed to like Prince less than you do...

Your homophobia re: the Lovesexy cover is appalling. “Normal”? Are you fucking kidding? I hope you feel very unwelcome here.

Exactly surprised more have not called that out here