pinkcashmere23 said:

violetcrush said:

Yes, they often are there, but I think the fact that he erased the original version of Wally and left the second one unreleased, and also did not release or play Empty Room until many years later, speaks to the fact that at least some of these songs were very personal to him and meant something more. I don't think he purposely acted in a way that would make the woman leave. I just think that he was a bit of a hypocrite or had a double standard when it came to relationships - it's okay for me to do these things, but if you do them to me then that means you don't love me. Or, when they eventually leave him he is the victim and they did him wrong because they left.

Yes,I noticed that one of the patterns he had in his lyrics was to place blame on the woman such as in "I Love U But Don't Trust U" and "I hate U" and to lash out at them for leaving. I do think in some cases he may have intentionally done things to make the woman leave and to purposefully sabotage the relationship. I believe that Mayte said he also had a thing where he would shake hands with a woman in front of the one he was with at the time and that was a sign to them that they were about to lose their position as number one. I seem to recall her writing in her book that he did that with Manuela and that Mayte knew what it meant because he had done that with her as well.

I agree

purplefam99 said:

violetcrush said:

I think the song Big Tall Wall - also written for Susannah - describes the dysfunction of his psyche with relationships quite well:

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I'm gonna build a big tall wall
Stone circle so U can't get out
Big tall wall
True love is what it's all about

B is 4 bold, girl that's how U make me feel
I is 4 ignorant, this situation's real (So real)
G is 4 my girlfriend, yah U know
I got another one (G is 4 my girlfriend)!
But that ain't gonna stop me and U
From having fun (Stop me, stop me)

Baby doll, U're so glam
Every time I see U I wanna slam
U have the nerve 2 walk up my street
Didn't anybody tell U that
My modus operandi left a lot 2 be desired?
I got more holes than a golf course
Oh yeah, U'll have company

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All of the dysfunction in one song

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Yes loads of dysfunction, rap doesn’t own it all. Violet you might find Questlove’s supreme “purple rountable” Episode interesting. There is some discussion about 45 plus mins in about The origins of songs. Those very lyrics could be about 4 different women. [Edited 10/30/18 16:15pm]

Oh yes, I have listened to many of the Questlove Supreme shows - that one too! Really like his shows. The ones with The Revolution/Susannah, Jimmy Jam, Jesse J, and Sheila are fantastic too. I agree, he had similar "modus operandi" with all or most of his girlfriends, as he says in this song. I think it's funny that he named his clubs "Glam Slam" after the lyrics in this song

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Even if Susannah was the one that he thought he truly loved - in his very dysfunctional way - and wanted back in his life, he would not have changed, and no doubt she knew that.

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