Where have I heard that before????

PennyPurple said:

Sometimes I think that people are planted here on the forum, to throw us off track. But the facts in the zip files speak volumes.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

benni said:

Thank you for that. I had mentioned that earlier in the thread. It really depends upon what blood work was performed as to whether the labs would have revealed an underlying condition. Chances are the doctor ordered a CBC and a drug test. Only a few conditions would show up with the CBC. He may have ordered an ALT or AST to check for liver function. But even that wouldn't show any other condition except for what it is checking for.

Based on the test that doctor s ran the day before prince died his body (organs) were functioning normally...that is a fact, the doctor noted nothing other than slight anemia...i don't get the argument on this, but carry on...

You stated that if he had any serious untreated condition it would show up in the blood work. That's dependent upon what blood work was drawn. I doubt the doctor drew multiple, multiple vials of blood to test for every condition possible. Just because the body organs were functioning, does not mean there was not something else going on. Do you have a list of the blood tests the doctor performed? What blood work he ordered? As I said, to determine whether the liver was functioning properly, he would have had to have ordered an ALT or AST. More than likely did a CBC, as that tends to be a standard test, and would have shown whether he had any infection anywhere. A CBC and ALT/AST are not going to determine whether he had any serious untreated condition, it would only show specific conditions.

I think the bigger question is -- why would a man who wants no chance that his dread disease be revealed voluntarily see a doctor and submit to an exam and any blood work at all?

benni said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

benni said: Based on the test that doctor s ran the day before prince died his body (organs) were functioning normally...that is a fact, the doctor noted nothing other than slight anemia...i don't get the argument on this, but carry on...

You stated that if he had any serious untreated condition it would show up in the blood work. That's dependent upon what blood work was drawn. I doubt the doctor drew multiple, multiple vials of blood to test for every condition possible. Just because the body organs were functioning, does not mean there was not something else going on. Do you have a list of the blood tests the doctor performed? What blood work he ordered? As I said, to determine whether the liver was functioning properly, he would have had to have ordered an ALT or AST. More than likely did a CBC, as that tends to be a standard test, and would have shown whether he had any infection anywhere. A CBC and ALT/AST are not going to determine whether he had any serious untreated condition, it would only show specific conditions.

disch said:

I think the bigger question is -- why would a man who wants no chance that his dread disease be revealed voluntarily see a doctor and submit to an exam and any blood work at all?

benni said:

You stated that if he had any serious untreated condition it would show up in the blood work. That's dependent upon what blood work was drawn. I doubt the doctor drew multiple, multiple vials of blood to test for every condition possible. Just because the body organs were functioning, does not mean there was not something else going on. Do you have a list of the blood tests the doctor performed? What blood work he ordered? As I said, to determine whether the liver was functioning properly, he would have had to have ordered an ALT or AST. More than likely did a CBC, as that tends to be a standard test, and would have shown whether he had any infection anywhere. A CBC and ALT/AST are not going to determine whether he had any serious untreated condition, it would only show specific conditions.

disch...you gotta stop with the logic...you're upsetting some folks here...

Dimitri10 said:

disch said:

I think the bigger question is -- why would a man who wants no chance that his dread disease be revealed voluntarily see a doctor and submit to an exam and any blood work at all?

benni said:

You stated that if he had any serious untreated condition it would show up in the blood work. That's dependent upon what blood work was drawn. I doubt the doctor drew multiple, multiple vials of blood to test for every condition possible. Just because the body organs were functioning, does not mean there was not something else going on. Do you have a list of the blood tests the doctor performed? What blood work he ordered? As I said, to determine whether the liver was functioning properly, he would have had to have ordered an ALT or AST. More than likely did a CBC, as that tends to be a standard test, and would have shown whether he had any infection anywhere. A CBC and ALT/AST are not going to determine whether he had any serious untreated condition, it would only show specific conditions.

Prince was very private. He knew that if anything were revealed in lab work that it would not be made public, especially since a doctor has to follow HIPAA laws. So where was the fear of anything being revealed?

So if he had no qualms about Dr S (or presumably any doctor) knowing about his medical issue, why didn't he simply tell Dr S about it? Nothing in the investigation files indicated he said anything like that to him.

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benni said:

disch said:

I think the bigger question is -- why would a man who wants no chance that his dread disease be revealed voluntarily see a doctor and submit to an exam and any blood work at all?

Prince was very private. He knew that if anything were revealed in lab work that it would not be made public, especially since a doctor has to follow HIPAA laws. So where was the fear of anything being revealed?

disch said:

So if he had no qualms about Dr S (or presumably any doctor) knowing about his medical issue, why didn't he simply tell Dr S about it? Nothing in the investigation files indicated he said anything like that to him.

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benni said:

Prince was very private. He knew that if anything were revealed in lab work that it would not be made public, especially since a doctor has to follow HIPAA laws. So where was the fear of anything being revealed?

But we don't know that. Dr. S. would still be under HIPAA laws in what he could reveal. He gave the facts as to why he was at the home, that he was dropping off blood tests. He had no reason to reveal anything else except for what was pertinent to the those particular details. Just because someone passes away, does not mean HIPAA becomes obsolete. And yes, HIPAA even covers what the doctor can release to police in an investigation. In order to share any PHI with the police, they have to have 1. the patient's consent, or 2. the next of kin's consent. And, he could only share information that was related to the investigation. Any underlying medical condition would not have been related to the investigation.

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benni said:

But we don't know that. Dr. S. would still be under HIPAA laws in what he could reveal. He gave the facts as to why he was at the home, that he was dropping off blood tests. He had no reason to reveal anything else except for what was pertinent to the those particular details. Just because someone passes away, does not mean HIPAA becomes obsolete. And yes, HIPAA even covers what the doctor can release to police in an investigation. In order to share any PHI with the police, they have to have 1. the patient's consent, or 2. the next of kin's consent. And, he could only share information that was related to the investigation. Any underlying medical condition would not have been related to the investigation.

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Thanks benni This has been said before but people either still don't know or don't understand that HIPAA is still in effect after one's death. And that is why we don't know for sure even with seeing what's in the investigative reports.

The Hipaa exceptions during criminal investigations mean that invesigators don't need consent from the patient (impossible in this case obviously) or next of kin. They might need a court warrant/subpoena (which the investigors got in this case for his records from the clinic, walgreens etc. They did nt need Tyka's OK for any of this).

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On Page 21 of the investigation files, the investigator recounts the statement from Dr S about his 4/7 appointment with Prince: "Schulenberg told me Prince's chief complaint on that day was that he generally was not feeling well and being nauseous. Schulenberg said Prince also complained of ntunbness/tingling in one of his legs and both of his hands, Schulenberg said on his visit yesterday with Prince the main complaint reported to him was that he was "antsy."

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There's nothing in the rest of the interview that even hints that Dr S thought he was dealing with a patient with a serious (other than addiction) or terminal condition, and nothing about the actions he took with Prince would align with him treating a patient like that. And there's nothing in the files that imply Prince was under any other doctor's care (no other Dr interview except the moline one, etc).

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I also don't agree that a serious/terminal underlying condition would be "unrelated to the investigation." It would be very relevant to why and perhaps where Prince was getting his illegal drugs.

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benni said:

disch said:

So if he had no qualms about Dr S (or presumably any doctor) knowing about his medical issue, why didn't he simply tell Dr S about it? Nothing in the investigation files indicated he said anything like that to him.

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But we don't know that. Dr. S. would still be under HIPAA laws in what he could reveal. He gave the facts as to why he was at the home, that he was dropping off blood tests. He had no reason to reveal anything else except for what was pertinent to the those particular details. Just because someone passes away, does not mean HIPAA becomes obsolete. And yes, HIPAA even covers what the doctor can release to police in an investigation. In order to share any PHI with the police, they have to have 1. the patient's consent, or 2. the next of kin's consent. And, he could only share information that was related to the investigation. Any underlying medical condition would not have been related to the investigation.

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disch said:

I know about Hipaa laws, and that they provide exceptions during during criminal investigations. That's why Dr S and the moline doctors provided interviews with the investigators (and the investigators seized the medical records etc).

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On Page 21 of the investigation files, the investigator recounts the statement from Dr S about his 4/7 appointment with Prince: "Schulenberg told me Prince's chief complaint on that day was that he generally was not feeling well and being nauseous. Schulenberg said Prince also complained of ntunbness/tingling in one of his legs and both of his hands, Schulenberg said on his visit yesterday with Prince the main complaint reported to him was that he was "antsy." It would strike me as very strange if Dr S reports those complaints and just neglected to tell the investigator that prince told him he had, say, leukemia.

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When you read through the whole Dr S interview report, there's truly nothing in there that indicates he knew or suspected that Prince had some specific serious condition other than opioid-related. He reveals the treatment and drugs he provided, and they do not jibe with a patient who's main problem is some unrelated serious/terminal illness. And there's no indication in the files anywhere that prince was being treated by any other doctor (no interview with another doctor other than the moline one etc).

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benni said:

disch said:

So if he had no qualms about Dr S (or presumably any doctor) knowing about his medical issue, why didn't he simply tell Dr S about it? Nothing in the investigation files indicated he said anything like that to him.

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But we don't know that. Dr. S. would still be under HIPAA laws in what he could reveal. He gave the facts as to why he was at the home, that he was dropping off blood tests. He had no reason to reveal anything else except for what was pertinent to the those particular details. Just because someone passes away, does not mean HIPAA becomes obsolete. And yes, HIPAA even covers what the doctor can release to police in an investigation. In order to share any PHI with the police, they have to have 1. the patient's consent, or 2. the next of kin's consent. And, he could only share information that was related to the investigation. Any underlying medical condition would not have been related to the investigation.

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disch, one thing you are overlooking in all of this, Prince may not have revealed any underlying illness. He may have felt that he had any underlying condition in control, or felt that he didn't want treatment for it, or that his main, chief complaint, was related to his pain and the opoids. Just because he saw Dr. S. doesn't mean he had to reveal anything to him except for his immediate concerns which is what Dr. S. reported.

Just because he went to the doctor, doesn't mean he revealed anything else going on with him. As I said previously, Prince was a very private individual. He may not have told Dr. S. anything at all, except for those few details listed.

I will say the tingling / numbness in his leg could be related to sciatica, or even peripheral neuropathy.

[Edited 5/18/18 22:39pm]

benni said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

benni said:

And I want to add, Prince did not have AIDS. He would not have been performing if he had AIDS. His immune system would have been extremely compromised, which would have left him open to way too many possible infections and conditions and his body would NOT have been able to fight them off. It would have caused him to not be able to perform. Being in an enclosed space like the small venues that he was performing in, with hundreds of people crowding around him, all those germs -- he would have gotten very sick, very quick. He did 22 shows, starting February 16th. He flew in planes, which is a breeding ground for germs. Can we please put this one rumor to rest finally?

I think he either had the flu or had flu symptoms due to someone wanting to give bad pills to him. If he thought he was going through withdrawals it does not make sense for him to go to Dr S to run tests...he would know why he felt sick. Again the video of him walking into the Drs office unassisted does not look like he was very ill.

It does if he wasn't aware that going through withdrawal could cause flu like symptoms. A lot of people don't understand withdrawal symptoms, even those that are taking the drugs. It also does if he got concerned what the pills might be doing to his body, what damage they may have caused.

benni said:

Benni that's what I was saying in the first place! I was doubting that he told Dr S that he had some serious/terminal condition, and I was wondering why he'd have exams, tests and treatment from a brand-new doctor at all if he knew he had some serious condition that he really wanted to keep private.

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I have to be honest, i'm getting confused what you're saying! So now you're saying Prince might have thought he "had his condition in control" and thus is wasn't worth mentioning to the doctor when he was complaining about a range of issues such as nausea, numbness, antsiness etc? But I thought the whole issue with this condition was that it WASN'T "in control," that he felt it was likely terminal and told those around him to be prepared for his death?

benni said:

disch said:

I know about Hipaa laws, and that they provide exceptions during during criminal investigations. That's why Dr S and the moline doctors provided interviews with the investigators (and the investigators seized the medical records etc).

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On Page 21 of the investigation files, the investigator recounts the statement from Dr S about his 4/7 appointment with Prince: "Schulenberg told me Prince's chief complaint on that day was that he generally was not feeling well and being nauseous. Schulenberg said Prince also complained of ntunbness/tingling in one of his legs and both of his hands, Schulenberg said on his visit yesterday with Prince the main complaint reported to him was that he was "antsy." It would strike me as very strange if Dr S reports those complaints and just neglected to tell the investigator that prince told him he had, say, leukemia.

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When you read through the whole Dr S interview report, there's truly nothing in there that indicates he knew or suspected that Prince had some specific serious condition other than opioid-related. He reveals the treatment and drugs he provided, and they do not jibe with a patient who's main problem is some unrelated serious/terminal illness. And there's no indication in the files anywhere that prince was being treated by any other doctor (no interview with another doctor other than the moline one etc).

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benni said:

But we don't know that. Dr. S. would still be under HIPAA laws in what he could reveal. He gave the facts as to why he was at the home, that he was dropping off blood tests. He had no reason to reveal anything else except for what was pertinent to the those particular details. Just because someone passes away, does not mean HIPAA becomes obsolete. And yes, HIPAA even covers what the doctor can release to police in an investigation. In order to share any PHI with the police, they have to have 1. the patient's consent, or 2. the next of kin's consent. And, he could only share information that was related to the investigation. Any underlying medical condition would not have been related to the investigation.

[Edited 5/18/18 22:33pm]

disch, one thing you are overlooking in all of this, Prince may not have revealed any underlying illness. He may have felt that he had any underlying condition in control, or felt that he didn't want treatment for it, or that his main, chief complaint, was related to his pain and the opoids. Just because he saw Dr. S. doesn't mean he had to reveal anything to him except for his immediate concerns which is what Dr. S. reported.

Just because he went to the doctor, doesn't mean he revealed anything else going on with him. As I said previously, Prince was a very private individual. He may not have told Dr. S. anything at all, except for those few details listed.

I will say the tingling / numbness in his leg could be related to sciatica, or even peripheral neuropathy.

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disch said:

Benni that's what I was saying in the first place! I was doubting that he told Dr S that he had some serious/terminal condition, and I was wondering why he'd seek exams and treatment from a brand-new doctor all if he knew he had some serious condition that he really wanted to keep private.

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I have to be honest, i'm getting confused what you're saying! So now you're saying Prince might have thought he "had his condition under control" and thus is wasn't worth mentioning to the doctor when he was complaining about nausea, numbines, antiness etc? But I thought the whole issue with this condition was that it WASN'T "under control," that he felt it was likely terminal and told those around him to be prepared for his death?

benni said:

disch, one thing you are overlooking in all of this, Prince may not have revealed any underlying illness. He may have felt that he had any underlying condition in control, or felt that he didn't want treatment for it, or that his main, chief complaint, was related to his pain and the opoids. Just because he saw Dr. S. doesn't mean he had to reveal anything to him except for his immediate concerns which is what Dr. S. reported.

Just because he went to the doctor, doesn't mean he revealed anything else going on with him. As I said previously, Prince was a very private individual. He may not have told Dr. S. anything at all, except for those few details listed.

I will say the tingling / numbness in his leg could be related to sciatica, or even peripheral neuropathy.

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[Edited 5/18/18 23:11pm]

disch, what I am saying is, that we just don't know. What I mean by "under control" is that Prince felt like it was under control, perhaps, whether it was or wasn't. Or Prince had just come to some kind of acceptance of it, and wasn't willing to undergo whatever treatment might be necessary, so just didn't mention it, knowing that if he did, Dr. S would try to treat him for that condition. OR perhaps, Prince felt like the most immediate concern was what he mentioned to Dr. S, that any other underlying condition was not of immediate concern to him. Who knows? All of that is speculation. However, I don't think that one person would tell me that Prince was "ready" and that "he had prepared them" from that inner circle, and someone else tell TC whatever he was told from that inner circle, if there isn't something to it. Tyka was saying she was told about 2 or 3 years earlier....and then backtracked. It's interesting that the 2 to 3 years came about not long after Prince had passed, when emotions were still raw, when she probably still wasn't thinking things through clearly and was under immense pressure and that she backtracked later, by several months to a year, after she had calmed down emotionally, had time to think things through, and decide what she truly wanted, and didn't want, to share with the world.

Prince obviously discussed MORE with Schulenberg than was revealed

Am I supposed to take all three of these Meds?

and the response is

Valacyclovir is used for Herpes and Shingles ? GOOGLE says

SO Prince had a rash...

That fact had never been mentioned in any of the Police reports

or Transcripts...

where did this come from?

Lovejunky said:

Prince obviously discussed MORE with Schulenberg than was revealed

Am I supposed to take all three of these Meds?

and the response is

Valacyclovir is used for Herpes and Shingles ? GOOGLE says

SO Prince had a rash...

That fact had never been mentioned in any of the Police reports

or Transcripts...

Lovejunky said:

Prince obviously discussed MORE with Schulenberg than was revealed

Am I supposed to take all three of these Meds?

and the response is

Valacyclovir is used for Herpes and Shingles ? GOOGLE says

SO Prince had a rash...

That fact had never been mentioned in any of the Police reports

or Transcripts...

Or it was Kirk that had the rash, not Prince. Kirk is asking the doctor if he is supposed to take all 3 of the medications prescribed. Because later he asks if they are able to come in earlier because Prince is asking for fluids.

benni said:

Lovejunky said:

Prince obviously discussed MORE with Schulenberg than was revealed

and the response is

Valacyclovir is used for Herpes and Shingles ? GOOGLE says

SO Prince had a rash...

That fact had never been mentioned in any of the Police reports

or Transcripts...

Or it was Kirk that had the rash, not Prince. Kirk is asking the doctor if he is supposed to take all 3 of the medications prescribed. Because later he asks if they are able to come in earlier because Prince is asking for fluids.

No Idea...

either way..theres never been any mention of it

IF that was Kirk...then Kirk didnt mention in his Statment that he was also asking for scripts at the same time as Prince

And If that was Prince using Kirks phone, where is the picture of the Bottle of Valacyclovir ?

When the Police had pictures Pill bottles from the scripts Kirk got filled at Wallgreens ?

The Text Clearly mentions THREE BOTTLES

here are the three Bottles recovered from Kirk

once again something doesnt add up...

EDITED TO INCLUDE ABOVE PICTURE

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Bodhitheblackdog said:

LovePaisley said:

TrcikyChristopher said: OK, so grossly reading between the enormously blurry lines, you said there's a clue in the testing. Which is said to have only shown mild anemia. In addition, what would be prohibited as a JW: blood products, i.e. bone marrow transplant. The family (I believe Chazz) early on said Prince was feeling ill from immunotherapy (and then never commented on it again, weird). Then there's this: "The cancers most closely associated with anemia are: Cancers that involve the bone marrow. Blood cancers like leukemia, lymphoma, and myeloma interfere with or destroy the marrow's ability to make healthy blood cells. Other cancers that spread to the bone marrow can also cause anemia." And there all of it is: pain, fatigue, weight loss, gastro issues. Even remission. *Listen to the lyrics of Black Muse* And now I'm gonna go crawl back under my rock, because I have officially lost my damn mind.

so the REAL mystery remains why he family can't just say,'Prince was bravely struggling with______'

WHY the secrecy??? It makes no sense. Not for the fans and certainly not for his legacy.

Nevermind.

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leadline said:

All this speculation about what happened, when the truth is right here. This video is a few weeks old. Put aside your bias, put aside your pre-conceived notions, remove all your theories, open your mind and take this all in, and in doing so, things will finally start to make sense. Think about all the holes in this case, all the strangeness, all the wtf moments...nothing about this investigation nor how they would like us to believe things happened makes sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VYVB7pPzQQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNXNAtnRm8s

From start to finish the how, why and who are talked about, how many will actually listen to this? Probably not many. How many will try to comment from a place of knowledge even though they haven't? Probably a lot of you.

For those that do listen, THIS is the only thing out there that makes sense, it all lines up, AND, everything said since day 2 has been verified to be true.

One item, mentioned 2 days after his passing, that is now verrified by video as well, is that he met with a doctor the day before he passed, why? Because he was getting a heavy metal blood test as he was pretty sure at this point that he was being poisoned, and the blood results proved that. He went back to Paisley after this test, very upset, and told everyone there to go home, because he didn't know who he could trust at this point. (both points already verified)

Two days after his passing this visit was not only revealed, but so was the doctors name, the time was named, and now we have a video to go along with this as well, showing Prince walking into the office, and, out of the office at that very time and day he was said to have done so, long before this information was public knowledge for anyone. No cane and no lack of mobility.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNXNAtnRm8s

Dismiss all of this if you will, but in doing so, you are turning your back on the only truth out there regarding what happened to our beloved Prince.

Before anyone comments on how this woman swore a lot in her early videos, and that he wouldn't associate with her.......come on folks, use your common sense and don't be so short sighted. Prince swore his ass off for most of his life, did that make him a bad person? Did that mean his heart was not pure? Did that mean he loved God any less? The answer of course is no to all of that. He had a swear jar at paisley for a reason, because everyone around him swore, people that he respected and loved.

For those on the fence about how this information was obtained, all I can say is being right once is lucky, being right on 50+ points before anyone could possibly know is legitimacy.

Prince (is) a very rare and powerful spirit, he rose up all those around him, was decribed by many as otherworldly, etc, so if Prince having the ability to come to this person after his passing seems far fetched, and if the notion that someone on this earthly plane could indeed communicate with the beyond seems unlikely, then I would speculate that the afterlife that 95% of the world believes in, would have to be a mere fantasy as well. That notion is no less far fetched, fanstastic, or incomprehensible than an interaction between Prince and an intuitive channel.

Abigail Noel?

Maybe we should give this guy a call?

These auditions give me the giggles too...

I kinda always thought that P had Kirks phone in this conversation and it was P who was actually messaging the Dr. on a few of those texts.

Well we definitely know that right after prince's death source(s) were saying that prince's immune system was compromised due to some condition and/or treatment, and that "people close to him were very concerned for his health," because People magazine reported that allegation.

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It's just hard to line that up with everything that came out from the investigation in the months/years after that. I mean, at the time People reported the immune-system story, the official word from his camp was still that "the flu" caused the Moline emergency.

benni said:

disch said:

Benni that's what I was saying in the first place! I was doubting that he told Dr S that he had some serious/terminal condition, and I was wondering why he'd seek exams and treatment from a brand-new doctor all if he knew he had some serious condition that he really wanted to keep private.

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I have to be honest, i'm getting confused what you're saying! So now you're saying Prince might have thought he "had his condition under control" and thus is wasn't worth mentioning to the doctor when he was complaining about nausea, numbines, antiness etc? But I thought the whole issue with this condition was that it WASN'T "under control," that he felt it was likely terminal and told those around him to be prepared for his death?

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disch, what I am saying is, that we just don't know. What I mean by "under control" is that Prince felt like it was under control, perhaps, whether it was or wasn't. Or Prince had just come to some kind of acceptance of it, and wasn't willing to undergo whatever treatment might be necessary, so just didn't mention it, knowing that if he did, Dr. S would try to treat him for that condition. OR perhaps, Prince felt like the most immediate concern was what he mentioned to Dr. S, that any other underlying condition was not of immediate concern to him. Who knows? All of that is speculation. However, I don't think that one person would tell me that Prince was "ready" and that "he had prepared them" from that inner circle, and someone else tell TC whatever he was told from that inner circle, if there isn't something to it. Tyka was saying she was told about 2 or 3 years earlier....and then backtracked. It's interesting that the 2 to 3 years came about not long after Prince had passed, when emotions were still raw, when she probably still wasn't thinking things through clearly and was under immense pressure and that she backtracked later, by several months to a year, after she had calmed down emotionally, had time to think things through, and decide what she truly wanted, and didn't want, to share with the world.

disch said:

Well we definitely know that right after prince's death source(s) were saying that prince's immune system was compromised due to some condition and/or treatment, and that "people close to him were very concerned for his health," because People magazine reported that allegation.

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It's just hard to line that up with everything that came out from the investigation in the months/years after that. I mean, at the time People reported the immune-system story, the official word from his camp was still that "the flu" caused the Moline emergency.

benni said:

disch, what I am saying is, that we just don't know. What I mean by "under control" is that Prince felt like it was under control, perhaps, whether it was or wasn't. Or Prince had just come to some kind of acceptance of it, and wasn't willing to undergo whatever treatment might be necessary, so just didn't mention it, knowing that if he did, Dr. S would try to treat him for that condition. OR perhaps, Prince felt like the most immediate concern was what he mentioned to Dr. S, that any other underlying condition was not of immediate concern to him. Who knows? All of that is speculation. However, I don't think that one person would tell me that Prince was "ready" and that "he had prepared them" from that inner circle, and someone else tell TC whatever he was told from that inner circle, if there isn't something to it. Tyka was saying she was told about 2 or 3 years earlier....and then backtracked. It's interesting that the 2 to 3 years came about not long after Prince had passed, when emotions were still raw, when she probably still wasn't thinking things through clearly and was under immense pressure and that she backtracked later, by several months to a year, after she had calmed down emotionally, had time to think things through, and decide what she truly wanted, and didn't want, to share with the world.

I am not convinced that anything else was wrong until I see proof from a credible source: autopsy, Law Enforcement statements.....

I don't feel Tyka has any credibility. At this point, I just see her attempting to pique interest in her upcoming book.

i agree. i'm skeptical of the claims of a serious/terminal underlying condition because they don't really jibe with the autopsy and the investigtion files. I don't doubt that insider(s) told people that at the time of his death, but perhaps what they maybe even truly believed at time wasn't actually accurate.

leec1 said:

disch said:

Well we definitely know that right after prince's death source(s) were saying that prince's immune system was compromised due to some condition and/or treatment, and that "people close to him were very concerned for his health," because People magazine reported that allegation.

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It's just hard to line that up with everything that came out from the investigation in the months/years after that. I mean, at the time People reported the immune-system story, the official word from his camp was still that "the flu" caused the Moline emergency.

I am not convinced that anything else was wrong until I see proof from a credible source: autopsy, Law Enforcement statements.....

I don't feel Tyka has any credibility. At this point, I just see her attempting to pique interest in her upcoming book.

disch said:

i agree. i'm skeptical of the claims of a serious/terminal underlying condition because they don't really jibe with the autopsy and the investigtion files. I don't doubt that insider(s) told people that at the time of his death, but perhaps what they maybe even truly believed at time wasn't actually accurate.

leec1 said:

I am not convinced that anything else was wrong until I see proof from a credible source: autopsy, Law Enforcement statements.....

I don't feel Tyka has any credibility. At this point, I just see her attempting to pique interest in her upcoming book.

I also wonder if many of the insider(s) are not familiar with the changes of appearance in addicts when they have reached the point of a loss of control. The appearance changes can mirror other illnesses and this may have been confusing to them. I have seen this situation with addicts many times as well as the aftermath: overdosing.....

I am excluding Tyka from what I am stating above because I just don't believe anything she says.

At this point, I trust "my gut" more than I would the "insider(s)".

disch said:

Well we definitely know that right after prince's death source(s) were saying that prince's immune system was compromised due to some condition and/or treatment, and that "people close to him were very concerned for his health," because People magazine reported that allegation.

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It's just hard to line that up with everything that came out from the investigation in the months/years after that. I mean, at the time People reported the immune-system story, the official word from his camp was still that "the flu" caused the Moline emergency.

benni said:

disch, what I am saying is, that we just don't know. What I mean by "under control" is that Prince felt like it was under control, perhaps, whether it was or wasn't. Or Prince had just come to some kind of acceptance of it, and wasn't willing to undergo whatever treatment might be necessary, so just didn't mention it, knowing that if he did, Dr. S would try to treat him for that condition. OR perhaps, Prince felt like the most immediate concern was what he mentioned to Dr. S, that any other underlying condition was not of immediate concern to him. Who knows? All of that is speculation. However, I don't think that one person would tell me that Prince was "ready" and that "he had prepared them" from that inner circle, and someone else tell TC whatever he was told from that inner circle, if there isn't something to it. Tyka was saying she was told about 2 or 3 years earlier....and then backtracked. It's interesting that the 2 to 3 years came about not long after Prince had passed, when emotions were still raw, when she probably still wasn't thinking things through clearly and was under immense pressure and that she backtracked later, by several months to a year, after she had calmed down emotionally, had time to think things through, and decide what she truly wanted, and didn't want, to share with the world.

[Edited 5/19/18 8:46am]