disch said:

how truly confidenct are you in this inside information?

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Like, did these insiders tell you that prince said:

"I'm dying of incurable disease <name here>. My death is incipient so prepare yourself."

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Or do they claim that prince said something more general than that? Do you feel confident your sources are not applying hindsight to this communication, or otherwise interpreting inaccurately?

TrcikyChristopher said:

Agreed. Not sure if that story is true but would kind of make sense given what I've been told. Not so much out of any paranoia, but out of his need to prepare people around him for his eventual passing while being hopeful that wouldn't be the case.

Not hindsight. Not general. I can't really speak on how they found out, but it was in a way for them to have direct knowledge of the situation. I'm confident enough because of the specifics.

Ok i have a little time to kill so I'll play this game with you a little more.

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Why did this severe disease not get mentioned anywhere in the investigation files, do you think (no -allusion to it in any questioning of anyone or in anything the ME discussed with the investigators)?

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Why did prince agree to see a doctor in his final weeks, and complained to him about various issues, and get tests from him, but not mention this disease to him?

TrcikyChristopher said:

disch said:

how truly confidenct are you in this inside information?

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Like, did these insiders tell you that prince said:

"I'm dying of incurable disease <name here>. My death is incipient so prepare yourself."

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Or do they claim that prince said something more general than that? Do you feel confident your sources are not applying hindsight to this communication, or otherwise interpreting inaccurately?

Not hindsight. Not general. I can't really speak on how they found out, but it was in a way for them to have direct knowledge of the situation. I'm confident enough because of the specifics.

TrcikyChristopher said:

disch said:

how truly confidenct are you in this inside information?

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Like, did these insiders tell you that prince said:

"I'm dying of incurable disease <name here>. My death is incipient so prepare yourself."

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Or do they claim that prince said something more general than that? Do you feel confident your sources are not applying hindsight to this communication, or otherwise interpreting inaccurately?

Not hindsight. Not general. I can't really speak on how they found out, but it was in a way for them to have direct knowledge of the situation. I'm confident enough because of the specifics.

So I am assuming it is someone in the medical field who who dealt with Prince and who could lose their job/license if it was found out they revealed health info

[Edited 5/17/18 15:58pm]

disch said:

Ok i have a little time to kill so I'll play this game with you a little more.

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Why did this severe disease not get mentioned anywhere in the investigation files, do you think (no -allusion to it in any questioning of anyone or in anything the ME discussed with the investigators)?

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Why did prince agree to see a doctor in his final weeks, and complained to him about various issues, and get tests from him, but not mention this disease to him?

TrcikyChristopher said:

Not hindsight. Not general. I can't really speak on how they found out, but it was in a way for them to have direct knowledge of the situation. I'm confident enough because of the specifics.

okay, thought about it and will have a look/listen. Prince ight be the kind of ghost who'd speak to someone in tune

leadline said:

All this speculation about what happened, when the truth is right here. This video is a few weeks old. Put aside your bias, put aside your pre-conceived notions, remove all your theories, open your mind and take this all in, and in doing so, things will finally start to make sense. Think about all the holes in this case, all the strangeness, all the wtf moments...nothing about this investigation nor how they would like us to believe things happened makes sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VYVB7pPzQQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNXNAtnRm8s

From start to finish the how, why and who are talked about, how many will actually listen to this? Probably not many. How many will try to comment from a place of knowledge even though they haven't? Probably a lot of you.

For those that do listen, THIS is the only thing out there that makes sense, it all lines up, AND, everything said since day 2 has been verified to be true.

One item, mentioned 2 days after his passing, that is now verrified by video as well, is that he met with a doctor the day before he passed, why? Because he was getting a heavy metal blood test as he was pretty sure at this point that he was being poisoned, and the blood results proved that. He went back to Paisley after this test, very upset, and told everyone there to go home, because he didn't know who he could trust at this point. (both points already verified)

Two days after his passing this visit was not only revealed, but so was the doctors name, the time was named, and now we have a video to go along with this as well, showing Prince walking into the office, and, out of the office at that very time and day he was said to have done so, long before this information was public knowledge for anyone. No cane and no lack of mobility.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNXNAtnRm8s

Dismiss all of this if you will, but in doing so, you are turning your back on the only truth out there regarding what happened to our beloved Prince.

Before anyone comments on how this woman swore a lot in her early videos, and that he wouldn't associate with her.......come on folks, use your common sense and don't be so short sighted. Prince swore his ass off for most of his life, did that make him a bad person? Did that mean his heart was not pure? Did that mean he loved God any less? The answer of course is no to all of that. He had a swear jar at paisley for a reason, because everyone around him swore, people that he respected and loved.

For those on the fence about how this information was obtained, all I can say is being right once is lucky, being right on 50+ points before anyone could possibly know is legitimacy.

Prince (is) a very rare and powerful spirit, he rose up all those around him, was decribed by many as otherworldly, etc, so if Prince having the ability to come to this person after his passing seems far fetched, and if the notion that someone on this earthly plane could indeed communicate with the beyond seems unlikely, then I would speculate that the afterlife that 95% of the world believes in, would have to be a mere fantasy as well. That notion is no less far fetched, fanstastic, or incomprehensible than an interaction between Prince and an intuitive channel.

XxAxX said:

disch said:

is it possible he could have gotten a diagnosis and decided to ignore it...letting it be in Gods hands and not telling anyone

80tomato said:

is it possible he could have gotten a diagnosis and decided to ignore it...letting it be in Gods hands and not telling anyone

That would be in line with his beliefs and previous methods of dealing with such things. However, he did not fully ignore it, from what I was told.

The pain meds were in tandem with whatever else was allegedly going on and made a bad thing much worse.

Please, keep in mind that the pain meds were allegedly a totally separate issue and generally unrelated to what was allegedly going on.

[Edited 5/17/18 17:04pm]

80tomato said:

TrcikyChristopher said:

Not hindsight. Not general. I can't really speak on how they found out, but it was in a way for them to have direct knowledge of the situation. I'm confident enough because of the specifics.

So I am assuming it is someone in the medical field who who dealt with Prince and who could lose their job/license if it was found out they revealed health info

[Edited 5/17/18 15:58pm]

I'm not at liberty to discuss that.

kmama07 said:

disch said:

If he had AIDS and was desperate to keep that a secret, why on earth would he allow Dr S to draw and retain blood for testing? Even if he didn't specifically approve an AIDS test on that blood, why would he even chance it? No way of hiding AIDS in blood.

Thank you Disch! Also, IF HE HAD A TERMINAL ILLNESS THERE WOULD BE NO REASON FOR PROCURING ILLEGAL PAIN MEDS (or asking others to have prescriptions written in their names for him). Anything he needed would be readily available to him, PRESCRIBED BY A PHYSICIAN , right down to a morphine clicker/shots/fentanyl patches, et al. All in the comfort of his home. LEGALLY.

I don't believe P had HIV/AIDS because he kept enjoying sex late in his life it seems. P would not have indulged himself to the point of putting someone's life in jeopardy; and he would certainly not tell this to anybody. He could have had an incurable (not yet terminal) illness for which pain meds would not have been indicated therefore not prescribable by a physician, ergo illegal pain meds. He even might have stopped his meds for his incurable illness (remember the blind item 2 or 3 days before April 21/2016). He may have decided that living whatever length of time he had would be best lived with no pain and he could keep making/playing music until he couldn't. Now regarding morphine clicker/shots/fentanyl patches e.g. palliative care, I don't think he would have wanted to last until then, even in the comfort of his home. I'm just trying to put myself in his shoes even if I don't personally agree with what I wrote. Just my opinion.

And I believe he had pain meds issues much before this incurable illness.

2004Fan said:

kmama07 said:

disch said: Thank you Disch! Also, IF HE HAD A TERMINAL ILLNESS THERE WOULD BE NO REASON FOR PROCURING ILLEGAL PAIN MEDS (or asking others to have prescriptions written in their names for him). Anything he needed would be readily available to him, PRESCRIBED BY A PHYSICIAN , right down to a morphine clicker/shots/fentanyl patches, et al. All in the comfort of his home. LEGALLY.

I don't believe P had HIV/AIDS because he kept enjoying sex late in his life it seems. P would not have indulged himself to the point of putting someone's life in jeopardy; and he would certainly not tell this to anybody. He could have had an incurable (not yet terminal) illness for which pain meds would not have been indicated therefore not prescribable by a physician, ergo illegal pain meds. He even might have stopped his meds for his incurable illness (remember the blind item 2 or 3 days before April 21/2016). He may have decided that living whatever length of time he had would be best lived with no pain and he could keep making/playing music until he couldn't. Now regarding morphine clicker/shots/fentanyl patches e.g. palliative care, I don't think he would have wanted to last until then, even in the comfort of his home. I'm just trying to put myself in his shoes even if I don't personally agree with what I wrote. Just my opinion.

I agree with you.

TrcikyChristopher said:

peggyon said:

TrickyChristopher, I know you cannot divulge too much of what you know, but I am curious...in this 2 year "back-and-forth" multi-thread discussion, have any of the org posters "come close" or actually identified the truth of the matter surrounding Prince's health?

Yes. Very close.

But not AIDS/HIV ?

2004Fan said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Also to think that he was still performing through ALL this excruciating pain & still sounding better than ever.

Prince was so dedicated to his craft & just brilliant to the end! He actually really did die for his fans. To think ALL that pain he was in during that last breathtakingly, beautiful, performance he did in Atlanta and not ONCE out of key.

BS, he didn't die for us fans. If he was worried about his fans, he would've stayed alive by getting clean.

peggyon said:

TrcikyChristopher said:

Yes. Very close.

Thanks, I kinda thought so. I am sensing there is legacy/reputation management going on. Also, how would the truth affect the worth of his estate?

I understand you are in a delicate situation, so no need to repsond

If they were worried about his legacy, then they shouldn't let it go down as a drug addicted rock star.

Morgaine said:

bondno9 said:

My thoughts thus far ... Kirk Johnson knew that the decedent Prince Rogers Nelson had an opiod addiction and assisted him in obtaining controlled and illegal substances. He knowingly and willingly obtained a controlled substance for Percocet on April 14, 2016 in his name. This prescription was mixed in with ANOTHER prescription for nausea and vomiting that was in his name. In an attempt to concel this fact the prescription bottle for the Percocet was discarded. As a result, it was never found. Mr. Johsnon communicated with paramedics in Moline, IL after the emrgency landing that the decedent Prince Rogers Nelson took one or two Percocet. Furthermore, on April 20th he observed the decedent Prince Rogers Nelson having "withdrawal" symptoms after visiting Dr. S but failed to obtain prompt medical assistance. Instead, he took the decedent home and did not formulate a plan to monitor the status of his health after the visit with Dr. S. Mr. Johnson's history of illegally obtaining prescriptions in his name for the usage of another person and mixing prescriptions is evidence of obtaining and concealing illegal medications for the decedent.

Dr S knowingly wrote a prescription for 15 Percocet for Prince in Kirk's name on 4-14-16 to protect Prince's privacy.

There is no proof Kirk knew Prince had an opiod addiction at that time. I personally believe he knew Prince had taken it in the past and it's possible he knew he'd had issues with it.

What do you mean by 'mixed'? That could be interpreted so many ways….

There is no proof the Percocet prescription bottle was "discarded" to "attempt to conceal" anything. Dr S knew he was writing the prescription for Prince in Kirk's name and Kirk *must* be smart enough to know his name would be in the system as having a Percocet prescription filled on 4-1-4-16.

The files say the paramedics asked Kirk what Prince took, and Kirk said he thought "maybe" Prince took Percocet.

Your statement "Kirk saw Prince having withdrawal symptoms after visiting Dr S and failed to give him prompt medical attention" is confusing to me. What was he supposed to do? Take Prince to the hospital? They'd just come from the doctor's...how do you know Prince didn't tell him 'no, I'm ok, go home?'

I think Kirk made a HUGE mistake leaving Prince alone and have thought so from the start. I believe, after reading the files, Kirk thought Prince wasn;t in any danger: Kirk even took the valium with him so Prince couldn't abuse it. He made a gigantic mistake. And he gets to live, for the rest of his life, wishing he'd stayed, done, or said something different. I do not envy him - his actions and the lack thereof were instrumental in the loss of Prince.

BUT Kirk is not legally or morally or ethically responsible for Prince. Prince is responsible for Prince.

You might be mad, I am too, but I am not going to try to make things fit where they don't to justify slander for someone who tried because I’m in pain over the loss of Prince.

Everyone makes mistakes. But Prince's mistake was so much greater than Kirk's will ever be imho.

Slander is an ORAL defamation ... meaning the words have to be SPOKEN. My thoughts are a hypothesis. Law enforcement does it everyday in criminal investigations. They form a hypothesis based upon the EVIDENCE. There is nothing in my hypothesis that is NOT in the evidence. No, I'm not giving Kirk Johnson a pass. What exactly do we know about this man? NOTHING. Frankly, the layers of the whole Prince-Kirk dynamic needs to be peeled back. How did this man go from a flimsy dancer in Purple Rain to the right hand man of Prince Rogers Nelson?? Go beyond the whole sterilized version of how he moved up the ranks. Maybe Kirk has been the connection from the start in relation to the pain medications ... what better way to earn Prince's confidence and trust?

No matter what his cause of death, his legacy isn't being overwhelmed as being a "drug addicted rock star." His 40-year track record of unforgettable music will stand.

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I've said it before, but there is no indication that rock stars who died drug-related deaths were rejected by the public. If that were true, none of us would remember Elvis Presley, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, Kurt Cobain and many, many others.

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Prince legacy is fine. He spent 40 years making sure of that.

PennyPurple said:

peggyon said:

Thanks, I kinda thought so. I am sensing there is legacy/reputation management going on. Also, how would the truth affect the worth of his estate?

I understand you are in a delicate situation, so no need to repsond

If they were worried about his legacy, then they shouldn't let it go down as a drug addicted rock star.

PennyPurple said:

TrcikyChristopher said:

Yes. Very close.

But not AIDS/HIV ?

From what I was told, no.

2004Fan said:

And I believe he had pain meds issues much before this incurable illness.

co-sign....and that would be rumored "incurable illness"

PennyPurple said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Also to think that he was still performing through ALL this excruciating pain & still sounding better than ever.

Prince was so dedicated to his craft & just brilliant to the end! He actually really did die for his fans. To think ALL that pain he was in during that last breathtakingly, beautiful, performance he did in Atlanta and not ONCE out of key.

BS, he didn't die for us fans. If he was worried about his fans, he would've stayed alive by getting clean.

Prince was trying to get clean in his own private way. He didn't know how to handle, the breaking down of his little body, and the excruciating pain it was in, without the public finding out about it.

It just was too late. Plus TMZ put him in a damage control crisis!With their nosy investigation getting to the truth of what really happened in Moline. He was caught between a rock and a hard place. All while dealing with the horrible pain he was in.

PennyPurple said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Also to think that he was still performing through ALL this excruciating pain & still sounding better than ever.

Prince was so dedicated to his craft & just brilliant to the end! He actually really did die for his fans. To think ALL that pain he was in during that last breathtakingly, beautiful, performance he did in Atlanta and not ONCE out of key.

BS, he didn't die for us fans. If he was worried about his fans, he would've stayed alive by getting clean.

co-sign and thanks for the post.

PennyPurple said:

peggyon said:

Thanks, I kinda thought so. I am sensing there is legacy/reputation management going on. Also, how would the truth affect the worth of his estate?

I understand you are in a delicate situation, so no need to repsond

If they were worried about his legacy, then they shouldn't let it go down as a drug addicted rock star.

co-sign...this is the only logical way to look at this.

bondno9 said:

Morgaine said:

Dr S knowingly wrote a prescription for 15 Percocet for Prince in Kirk's name on 4-14-16 to protect Prince's privacy.

There is no proof Kirk knew Prince had an opiod addiction at that time. I personally believe he knew Prince had taken it in the past and it's possible he knew he'd had issues with it.

What do you mean by 'mixed'? That could be interpreted so many ways….

There is no proof the Percocet prescription bottle was "discarded" to "attempt to conceal" anything. Dr S knew he was writing the prescription for Prince in Kirk's name and Kirk *must* be smart enough to know his name would be in the system as having a Percocet prescription filled on 4-1-4-16.

The files say the paramedics asked Kirk what Prince took, and Kirk said he thought "maybe" Prince took Percocet.

Your statement "Kirk saw Prince having withdrawal symptoms after visiting Dr S and failed to give him prompt medical attention" is confusing to me. What was he supposed to do? Take Prince to the hospital? They'd just come from the doctor's...how do you know Prince didn't tell him 'no, I'm ok, go home?'

I think Kirk made a HUGE mistake leaving Prince alone and have thought so from the start. I believe, after reading the files, Kirk thought Prince wasn;t in any danger: Kirk even took the valium with him so Prince couldn't abuse it. He made a gigantic mistake. And he gets to live, for the rest of his life, wishing he'd stayed, done, or said something different. I do not envy him - his actions and the lack thereof were instrumental in the loss of Prince.

BUT Kirk is not legally or morally or ethically responsible for Prince. Prince is responsible for Prince.

You might be mad, I am too, but I am not going to try to make things fit where they don't to justify slander for someone who tried because I’m in pain over the loss of Prince.

Everyone makes mistakes. But Prince's mistake was so much greater than Kirk's will ever be imho.

Slander is an ORAL defamation ... meaning the words have to be SPOKEN. My thoughts are a hypothesis. Law enforcement does it everyday in criminal investigations. They form a hypothesis based upon the EVIDENCE. There is nothing in my hypothesis that is NOT in the evidence. No, I'm not giving Kirk Johnson a pass. What exactly do we know about this man? NOTHING. Frankly, the layers of the whole Prince-Kirk dynamic needs to be peeled back. How did this man go from a flimsy dancer in Purple Rain to the right hand man of Prince Rogers Nelson?? Go beyond the whole sterilized version of how he moved up the ranks. Maybe Kirk has been the connection from the start in relation to the pain medications ... what better way to earn Prince's confidence and trust?

how about he was his trusted confidant because he was the longest lasting, most intimate relationship Prince had ever had...think about it. It's obvious to me.

Krystalkisses said:

2004Fan said:

I don't believe P had HIV/AIDS because he kept enjoying sex late in his life it seems. P would not have indulged himself to the point of putting someone's life in jeopardy; and he would certainly not tell this to anybody. He could have had an incurable (not yet terminal) illness for which pain meds would not have been indicated therefore not prescribable by a physician, ergo illegal pain meds. He even might have stopped his meds for his incurable illness (remember the blind item 2 or 3 days before April 21/2016). He may have decided that living whatever length of time he had would be best lived with no pain and he could keep making/playing music until he couldn't. Now regarding morphine clicker/shots/fentanyl patches e.g. palliative care, I don't think he would have wanted to last until then, even in the comfort of his home. I'm just trying to put myself in his shoes even if I don't personally agree with what I wrote. Just my opinion.

How do we know he had sexual intercourse in his later years? What about his I'm single, sexy and celebate statement? Also , it was the National Enquirer article that said Prince had AIDS and refused medical treatment saying God will cure me.

I don't know about sexual intercourse per se but I'm almost 100% sure he had sex (at least I hope so). I didn't believe his being celibate. Might have been to appease his JW beliefs/fellows. I didn't take everything from National Enquirer. The blind item I was referring to is another site which name escapes me. As I wrote in my post, it's my opinion which is subjective but based on what I know about P. I also suffer from osteoarthritis in my hands, hips, knees and lower spine. Some days I can't walk or handle things properly. So, I take Tylenol and Advil in order to sleep better on those days. I'm nowhere near the pain P had but I do think about him and undertand his taking pain pills.

TrcikyChristopher said:

PennyPurple said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Also to think that he was still performing through ALL this excruciating pain & still sounding better than ever.

Prince was so dedicated to his craft & just brilliant to the end! He actually really did die for his fans. To think ALL that pain he was in during that last breathtakingly, beautiful, performance he did in Atlanta and not ONCE out of key.

BS, he didn't die for us fans. If he was worried about his fans, he would've stayed alive by getting clean.

Alright but what does he do to take care of the pain? Because even if he was dependant, the pain was still there.

2004Fan said:

RJP1205 said:

TrcikyChristopher said:

From what I was told, no.

Trciky...was this alleged issue a physical illness causing Prince to self medicate with pain pills or a mental/stressful situation causing him to drown out problems with the pills?

I personally believe pain/meds and physical illness were 2 different issues.