Thank you both for stating this fact. I've thought it all along.

TrcikyChristopher said:

Mumio said:

Evidence of one thing does not negate evidence of another....correct?

Correct.

benni said:

TrcikyChristopher said:

I've shared everything I am able to share without compromising my multiple sources. I'm only hoping that the charade ends soon. It's getting ridiculous at this point. 10 threads deep and 2 years in, and we're here discussing something that could easily be put to rest by a press release or interview. It's really that simple.

Instead, we're just unnecessarily tiptoeing around shit while arguing about half-assed "new" releases because they're too busy arguing among themselves.

It's a damned shame.

Thank you, TrcikyChristopher. You sharing confirms what I was told, too. And I agree, those that know need to come out with the whole story. I think some were just "prepared" and weren't given a lot of details, if any, but others were given the whole story. They could put the speculation to rest.

Benni . I have always enjoyed and respected your posts .It seems you are saying there was an underlying illness/problem and yet are opposed to the possibility of suicide

Purpleized3121, did he look this way during the entire concert or just when he was releasing the balloons? I can see why that would be heartbreaking for you.

Also, thank you, I've only seen some of the 3EG concerts on YT; I did not notice that he included black balloons with the purple and white. Agree, he did everything for a reason.

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

TrcikyChristopher said:

That's the thing. He was never "drugged up" (at least publicly), and everything he was doing was his attempt to deal with something in a restricted way. That's the main reason he never got the actual hip replacement(s). As I stated before, all it really takes is a simple statement. A simple interview. None of this "I knew 2 years before he passed" (which, coincidentally was the year of the release of a very personal album) but not elaborating.

The fact of the matter is that Prince hid a LOT of his life away from even some of the people closest to him and that led us here because I'm pretty sure that not even Kirk knew the extent of what was going on. He was only trying to help the best way he knew how, as fucked up his methods may or may not have been.

In my opinion, the handful of people in the circle who say they know what happened are just playing footsies with each other (and maybe even us) to line their pockets in the meantime.

This is a heartbreaking thread. Pete, I am on the same page on you in terms of praying that our heroes never went down like 'that'.

Trciky - dude I hope you aren't just playing with our emotions here. Surely if there was anything medical it would have come out in the Carver county reports? I still maintain the balloons released at the end of each 3EG gig by him [Black, White & Purple] were hugely symbolic [he did everything with a hidden meaning]. I saw him at Leeds UK on that tour , front row & he looked awful, in pain & angry..truly heartbreaking to see.

Trciky - your input is intriguing BUT many of us regained some level of closure in terms of cause of death ie he messed up on self medicating & trying to control his own pain. If you have anything definitive isn't best you just say it & be done?

benni said:

TrcikyChristopher said:

I've shared everything I am able to share without compromising my multiple sources. I'm only hoping that the charade ends soon. It's getting ridiculous at this point. 10 threads deep and 2 years in, and we're here discussing something that could easily be put to rest by a press release or interview. It's really that simple.

Instead, we're just unnecessarily tiptoeing around shit while arguing about half-assed "new" releases because they're too busy arguing among themselves.

It's a damned shame.

Thank you, TrcikyChristopher. You sharing confirms what I was told, too. And I agree, those that know need to come out with the whole story. I think some were just "prepared" and weren't given a lot of details, if any, but others were given the whole story. They could put the speculation to rest.

What exactly were you told, Benni, and by whom?

stlmuziqlvr said:

Purpleized3121, did he look this way during the entire concert or just when he was releasing the balloons? I can see why that would be heartbreaking for you.

Also, thank you, I've only seen some of the 3EG concerts on YT; I did not notice that he included black balloons with the purple and white. Agree, he did everything for a reason.

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

This is a heartbreaking thread. Pete, I am on the same page on you in terms of praying that our heroes never went down like 'that'.

Trciky - dude I hope you aren't just playing with our emotions here. Surely if there was anything medical it would have come out in the Carver county reports? I still maintain the balloons released at the end of each 3EG gig by him [Black, White & Purple] were hugely symbolic [he did everything with a hidden meaning]. I saw him at Leeds UK on that tour , front row & he looked awful, in pain & angry..truly heartbreaking to see.

Trciky - your input is intriguing BUT many of us regained some level of closure in terms of cause of death ie he messed up on self medicating & trying to control his own pain. If you have anything definitive isn't best you just say it & be done?

I just read the reviews on the org for the Leeds concert .It seems there were a few people who thought P was "off" that night

MMJas said:

benni said:

Thank you, TrcikyChristopher. You sharing confirms what I was told, too. And I agree, those that know need to come out with the whole story. I think some were just "prepared" and weren't given a lot of details, if any, but others were given the whole story. They could put the speculation to rest.

What exactly were you told, Benni, and by whom?

Exactly what I said on pages 13 and 14 of this thread. Just that a friend was prepared. The person that told me was a friend of Prince's, a fan that Prince took an interest in and befriended. They aren't known and I won't share their name because they aren't known. I do know this person was a friend of Prince's. I didn't ask for any details, and even if I would have, I don't think this person would have shared them with me. I was just told that it didn't come as a surprise because he had been preparing those closest to him, that there was something more going on. That's all I was told, all I know.

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1Sasha said:

I know Laura has apparently been banned, but she had been a proponent of a chronic/terminal underlying condition, and I agreed with her. Many people chastised her severely when she said it, but this man had been planning his demise for over a year. Addicts don't do that, as a rule, If the family would release the autopsy report, our speculation would end. JMO

Well, that's not what Laura is saying now. She has back tracked quite a bit since the documents were released.

PennyPurple said:

1Sasha said:

I know Laura has apparently been banned, but she had been a proponent of a chronic/terminal underlying condition, and I agreed with her. Many people chastised her severely when she said it, but this man had been planning his demise for over a year. Addicts don't do that, as a rule, If the family would release the autopsy report, our speculation would end. JMO

Well, that's not what Laura is saying now. She has back tracked quite a bit since the documents were released.

Really? Well, I am still sticking with it. I may be wrong, and I'll admit it if something comes out that says I am.

80tomato said:

benni said:

Thank you, TrcikyChristopher. You sharing confirms what I was told, too. And I agree, those that know need to come out with the whole story. I think some were just "prepared" and weren't given a lot of details, if any, but others were given the whole story. They could put the speculation to rest.

Benni . I have always enjoyed and respected your posts .It seems you are saying there was an underlying illness/problem and yet are opposed to the possibility of suicide

80tomato, thank you. I am opposed to the idea of suicide because it really does go against everything we know about Prince. Prince was deeply spiritual, deeply religious, and suicide is a form of murder, self-murder. Even with an illness, I cannot see Prince going against his beliefs like that. I know we can get desparate when we are hurting, when we have an illness, but Prince is not someone who would have succombed to those dark thoughts. He fought his entire life to get to where he was. He was a fighter in that regard. I cannot even fathom the idea that Prince would stop fighting, much less go against one of his most basic religious / spiritual ideas of respecting all life, loving himself. And the idea of loving yourself is spread throughout the Bible. For Prince to commit suicide, he would have to give up on God, give up on his beliefs. And I cannot see Prince ever doing that.

TrcikyChristopher said:

80tomato said:

why not fill us in with what u know?

I've shared everything I am able to share without compromising my multiple sources. I'm only hoping that the charade ends soon. It's getting ridiculous at this point. 10 threads deep and 2 years in, and we're here discussing something that could easily be put to rest by a press release or interview. It's really that simple.

Instead, we're just unnecessarily tiptoeing around shit while arguing about half-assed "new" releases because they're too busy arguing among themselves.

It's a damned shame.

Just stop. Why come on here and say anything, if you are not willing to tell us what you know?

If you have multiple sources, what makes you think by you telling us what he had, that they would even know who you are on this forum?

I could care less who told you what, just spit out what he had. It's pretty simple to write a sentence. If you can't do that then just stop toying with us.

benni said:

MMJas said:

What exactly were you told, Benni, and by whom?

Exactly what I said on pages 13 and 14 of this thread. Just that a friend was prepared. The person that told me was a friend of Prince's, a fan that Prince took an interest in and befriended. They aren't known and I won't share their name because they aren't known. I do know this person was a friend of Prince's. I didn't ask for any details, and even if I would have, I don't think this person would have shared them with me. I was just told that it didn't come as a surprise because he had been preparing those closest to him, that there was something more going on. That's all I was told, all I know.

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Fair enough. So you were not told what he had, only that there was something more going on. This would mean that the painkiller addiction was long known, an open secret known by many, and that besides that, there was something else?

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benni said:

80tomato said:

Benni . I have always enjoyed and respected your posts .It seems you are saying there was an underlying illness/problem and yet are opposed to the possibility of suicide

80tomato, thank you. I am opposed to the idea of suicide because it really does go against everything we know about Prince. Prince was deeply spiritual, deeply religious, and suicide is a form of murder, self-murder. Even with an illness, I cannot see Prince going against his beliefs like that. I know we can get desparate when we are hurting, when we have an illness, but Prince is not someone who would have succombed to those dark thoughts. He fought his entire life to get to where he was. He was a fighter in that regard. I cannot even fathom the idea that Prince would stop fighting, much less go against one of his most basic religious / spiritual ideas of respecting all life, loving himself. And the idea of loving yourself is spread throughout the Bible. For Prince to commit suicide, he would have to give up on God, give up on his beliefs. And I cannot see Prince ever doing that.

and yet we also know he always needed to be in control of things...could he have justified the suicide by doing it accidentally I wonder

benni said:

80tomato said:

Benni . I have always enjoyed and respected your posts .It seems you are saying there was an underlying illness/problem and yet are opposed to the possibility of suicide

80tomato, thank you. I am opposed to the idea of suicide because it really does go against everything we know about Prince. Prince was deeply spiritual, deeply religious, and suicide is a form of murder, self-murder. Even with an illness, I cannot see Prince going against his beliefs like that. I know we can get desparate when we are hurting, when we have an illness, but Prince is not someone who would have succombed to those dark thoughts. He fought his entire life to get to where he was. He was a fighter in that regard. I cannot even fathom the idea that Prince would stop fighting, much less go against one of his most basic religious / spiritual ideas of respecting all life, loving himself. And the idea of loving yourself is spread throughout the Bible. For Prince to commit suicide, he would have to give up on God, give up on his beliefs. And I cannot see Prince ever doing that.

I had a very close friend of mine commit suicide whom as very spiritual, studied the bible quite extensively and had a bible next to him when he took his own life. I would totally agree with you and would never expect someone who was this smart, and this well read on religion to do such a thing to themselves. I could not ever see my friend doing something like this, and out of the blue, he did.

Sooooo, I'm not saying at all this is what P did, I'm just saying, the perception that spiritual people would never do this is flawed and I know from first hand experience.

MMJas said:

benni said:

Exactly what I said on pages 13 and 14 of this thread. Just that a friend was prepared. The person that told me was a friend of Prince's, a fan that Prince took an interest in and befriended. They aren't known and I won't share their name because they aren't known. I do know this person was a friend of Prince's. I didn't ask for any details, and even if I would have, I don't think this person would have shared them with me. I was just told that it didn't come as a surprise because he had been preparing those closest to him, that there was something more going on. That's all I was told, all I know.

[Edited 5/17/18 6:25am]

Fair enough. So you were not told what he had, only that there was something more going on. This would mean that the painkiller addiction was long known, an open secret known by many, and that besides that, there was something else?

[Edited 5/17/18 6:28am]

That's how I took what was said, yes. They didn't tell me what the "something more going on" was, and I didn't ask. At that time, I think everyone (including me) was still in shock and denial, but I knew this person was "inside" and just wanted to make sure they were doing okay. They were still in shock, hadn't expected anything this soon, but stated that he had been preparing them, that something else was going on with him besides what had been released at that time, and actually ended up comforting me. This person was "ready" even though it still hurt losing him.

80tomato said:

benni said:

80tomato, thank you. I am opposed to the idea of suicide because it really does go against everything we know about Prince. Prince was deeply spiritual, deeply religious, and suicide is a form of murder, self-murder. Even with an illness, I cannot see Prince going against his beliefs like that. I know we can get desparate when we are hurting, when we have an illness, but Prince is not someone who would have succombed to those dark thoughts. He fought his entire life to get to where he was. He was a fighter in that regard. I cannot even fathom the idea that Prince would stop fighting, much less go against one of his most basic religious / spiritual ideas of respecting all life, loving himself. And the idea of loving yourself is spread throughout the Bible. For Prince to commit suicide, he would have to give up on God, give up on his beliefs. And I cannot see Prince ever doing that.

and yet we also know he always needed to be in control of things...could he have justified the suicide by doing it accidentally I wonder

True, he did need to be in control. But speaking as someone who has worked in mental health, dealt with suicidal people, there are generally "tells" that give away suicidal ideation or contemplation. I never saw any evidence of that with Prince.

Curt said:

benni said:

80tomato, thank you. I am opposed to the idea of suicide because it really does go against everything we know about Prince. Prince was deeply spiritual, deeply religious, and suicide is a form of murder, self-murder. Even with an illness, I cannot see Prince going against his beliefs like that. I know we can get desparate when we are hurting, when we have an illness, but Prince is not someone who would have succombed to those dark thoughts. He fought his entire life to get to where he was. He was a fighter in that regard. I cannot even fathom the idea that Prince would stop fighting, much less go against one of his most basic religious / spiritual ideas of respecting all life, loving himself. And the idea of loving yourself is spread throughout the Bible. For Prince to commit suicide, he would have to give up on God, give up on his beliefs. And I cannot see Prince ever doing that.

I had a very close friend of mine commit suicide whom as very spiritual, studied the bible quite extensively and had a bible next to him when he took his own life. I would totally agree with you and would never expect someone who was this smart, and this well read on religion to do such a thing to themselves. I could not ever see my friend doing something like this, and out of the blue, he did.

Sooooo, I'm not saying at all this is what P did, I'm just saying, the perception that spiritual people would never do this is flawed and I know from first hand experience.

Curt, that's very true. However, there are usually "tells" and I never saw any of them with Prince. Of course, I wasn't close enough to him to really determine whether those tells were evident in personal relationships, but even publically, I think we would have seen something that would have indicated that he was suicidal or having suicidal ideations. It just doesn't fit with the evidence.

Curt said:

benni said:

80tomato, thank you. I am opposed to the idea of suicide because it really does go against everything we know about Prince. Prince was deeply spiritual, deeply religious, and suicide is a form of murder, self-murder. Even with an illness, I cannot see Prince going against his beliefs like that. I know we can get desparate when we are hurting, when we have an illness, but Prince is not someone who would have succombed to those dark thoughts. He fought his entire life to get to where he was. He was a fighter in that regard. I cannot even fathom the idea that Prince would stop fighting, much less go against one of his most basic religious / spiritual ideas of respecting all life, loving himself. And the idea of loving yourself is spread throughout the Bible. For Prince to commit suicide, he would have to give up on God, give up on his beliefs. And I cannot see Prince ever doing that.

I had a very close friend of mine commit suicide whom as very spiritual, studied the bible quite extensively and had a bible next to him when he took his own life. I would totally agree with you and would never expect someone who was this smart, and this well read on religion to do such a thing to themselves. I could not ever see my friend doing something like this, and out of the blue, he did.

Sooooo, I'm not saying at all this is what P did, I'm just saying, the perception that spiritual people would never do this is flawed and I know from first hand experience.

And Curt, I just wanted to say, I'm so sorry for your loss. It's never easy losing anyone, much less to suicide. I'm so sorry.

So to believe the "terminal illness" theory (let's say here, cancer) theory we need to believe:

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1. That this disease went unmentioned or even alluded to anywhere in the invesigation docs, including the sections where the investigator recounts specific conversations with the medical examiner about Prince's death (the only thing in those discussions was drugs). The investigative reports don't indicate anything was redacted from those sections.

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2. That lots of people know about this terminal illness, but have successfully agreed to complete public silence, even though some of the people aren't particularly media savvy and are prone to bickering over other (estate) stuff.

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3. That Prince doesn't appear, based on anything made public, to have been receiving conventional treatment for this disease (even palliative care) but instead was self-medicating it with opioids he aquired on the black market or under other guises.

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4. That in his final weeks Prince voluntarily meet with and discussed various medical complaints with a new doctor, all without mentioning his terminal illness, and he agreed to be examined and have his blood taken by the doctor, even though keeping his disease secret was of the highest importance to him.

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5. That if the public knew about his underlying illness, everyone would immediately get "closure" and have no more questions -- rather than having lots MORE questions about why and how did the final month(s) of his life transpire in the way they did.

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Look, I'm not saying it's impossible. It just is implausible and those who are claiming here that they have inside info about it should be willing to offer more details that can help address the points above.

Curt, I am so sorry for your loss and I can relate because I had the same thing happen to me. The spiritual person that I knew was my favorite Sunday School teacher and when I heard about it, I was shocked. She was gentle, kind, caring and gave of her self because she wanted to serve God.

I found our about it when I returned to my home state to visit my parents...and then they told me that she had been battling a profound depression and had even stated "I hope I don't do anything that will bring shame to God" and her words fell on deaf ears. I'm not surprised, as the church that I attended as a child had a very judgemental attitude when it came to mental health issues. They defined any mental health issue as "not having enough faith".

No, I am not saying that this is what happened to Prince, but I agree that even those who are committed to God can make this unfortunate choice.

Curt said:

benni said:

80tomato, thank you. I am opposed to the idea of suicide because it really does go against everything we know about Prince. Prince was deeply spiritual, deeply religious, and suicide is a form of murder, self-murder. Even with an illness, I cannot see Prince going against his beliefs like that. I know we can get desparate when we are hurting, when we have an illness, but Prince is not someone who would have succombed to those dark thoughts. He fought his entire life to get to where he was. He was a fighter in that regard. I cannot even fathom the idea that Prince would stop fighting, much less go against one of his most basic religious / spiritual ideas of respecting all life, loving himself. And the idea of loving yourself is spread throughout the Bible. For Prince to commit suicide, he would have to give up on God, give up on his beliefs. And I cannot see Prince ever doing that.

I had a very close friend of mine commit suicide whom as very spiritual, studied the bible quite extensively and had a bible next to him when he took his own life. I would totally agree with you and would never expect someone who was this smart, and this well read on religion to do such a thing to themselves. I could not ever see my friend doing something like this, and out of the blue, he did.

Sooooo, I'm not saying at all this is what P did, I'm just saying, the perception that spiritual people would never do this is flawed and I know from first hand experience.

disch said:

So to believe the "terminal illness" theory (let's say here, cancer) theory we need to believe:

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1. That this disease went unmentioned or even alluded to anywhere in the invesigation docs, including the sections where the investigator recounts specific conversations with the medical examiner about Prince's death (the only thing in those discussions was drugs). The investigative reports don't indicate anything was redacted from those sections.

-

2. That lots of people know about this terminal illness, but have successfully agreed to complete public silence, even though some of the people aren't particularly media savvy and are prone to bickering over other (estate) stuff.

-

3. That Prince doesn't appear, based on anything made public, to have been receiving conventional treatment for this disease (even palliative care) but instead was self-medicating it with opioids he aquired on the black market or under other guises.

-

4. That in his final weeks Prince voluntarily meet with and discussed various medical complaints with a new doctor, all without mentioning his terminal illness, and he agreed to be examined and have his blood taken by the doctor, even though keeping his disease secret was of the highest importance to him.

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5. That if the public knew about his underlying illness, everyone would immediately get "closure" and have no more questions -- rather than having lots MORE questions about why and how did the final month(s) of his life transpire in the way they did.

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Look, I'm not saying it's impossible. It just is implausible and those who are claiming here that they have inside info about it should be willing to offer more details that can help address the points above.

Agree. A bit more detail is needed. There are two people claiming the same. Were told by someone close that there was something else. But what? Both these people were not told exactly what. So perhaps their friends no nothing really?Don't mean to be rude, plase don't take it as a dig, I'm just genuinelly wondering how two unrelated people were told the same exact thing with no more info. Either someone's is playing with you, or you know what is that something else and are afraid to say it cause you will be bombarded with questions, etc.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

80tomato said:

Yes , and he seemed to ENJOY and look forward to this deep sleep and he talked of seeing people who had passed while asleep .

Does anyone else here see the bright line between Prince using drugs to render himself unconscious and MJ's use of propofol to render himself unconscious every night SO HE COULD SLEEP????? No wonder Prince didn't want to comment on MJ's death, saying he was "too close" to the situation. Geeez...this was not a trail of breadcrumbs...this was a trail of bread trucks...

From Clouds on AOA

"Mr Nelson, Mr Nelson, can you hear my voice?
Sir, we know you're a little bit groggy
And you're probably going to find it hard to speak
But don't try to talk or process too much now
We just want to let you know that the medication you were given
Has put you in a suspended animation for quite some time
In fact 45 years
But where you are now, is in a place that doesn't require time
That saying, you are completely safe
And we are here to help you"

80tomato said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Does anyone else here see the bright line between Prince using drugs to render himself unconscious and MJ's use of propofol to render himself unconscious every night SO HE COULD SLEEP????? No wonder Prince didn't want to comment on MJ's death, saying he was "too close" to the situation. Geeez...this was not a trail of breadcrumbs...this was a trail of bread trucks...

From Clouds on AOA

"Mr Nelson, Mr Nelson, can you hear my voice?
Sir, we know you're a little bit groggy
And you're probably going to find it hard to speak
But don't try to talk or process too much now
We just want to let you know that the medication you were given
Has put you in a suspended animation for quite some time
In fact 45 years
But where you are now, is in a place that doesn't require time
That saying, you are completely safe
And we are here to help you"

YES, THIS!

MMJas said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

cloveringold85 said:

.

And, this is what I've been saying all along; why didn't Dr. Schulenberg contact the family and tell them that Prince needs to get into treatment, ASAP?? Was he too afraid to tell Prince this?? I'm sure Dr. Schulenberg knows well-qualified addiction specialist in MN.

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We will never know "why".

WHY? Because it's the LAW to protect patient privacy...duh.I'm not sure that spilling the beans re the health of an adult to 'family members' OR ANY OTHER SENTIENT BEING lines up with HIPPA Privacy protections....would you want your private medical information shared with a half-sibling, for example, with whom you had no contact and who had never been in your home? Would you want your struggles with addiction shared with your not-too-bright sister who had drug addiction issues of her own? I mean, where would such a violation end? Would it be OK to tell Rolling Stone or TMZ just so those entities could light a fire under Prince? Unless someone is specifically named as a health care representative...they are not entitled to ANY medical information about an individual....and that goes for a spouse. Get real.This sounds like the drival posted by some orgers to the effect that if they had been around, they would have kidnapped Prince and taken him, against his will, to a hospital. Hey, while you're at it...why not sexually molest him in the car on the way over? I mean, you're a fan, right???You can do no wrong.

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TMZ finding out THE TRUTH about what really happened in the plane incident is what put Prince into MAJOR damage control. He was relentless at trying to let everyone know he was ok and it was not that serious. But it really was as we now know.

Strawberrylova123 said:

MMJas said:

Agree. A bit more detail is needed. There are two people claiming the same. Were told by someone close that there was something else. But what? Both these people were not told exactly what. So perhaps their friends no nothing really?Don't mean to be rude, plase don't take it as a dig, I'm just genuinelly wondering how two unrelated people were told the same exact thing with no more info. Either someone's is playing with you, or you know what is that something else and are afraid to say it cause you will be bombarded with questions, etc.

His own blood sister wasn't aware that he had any medical issue's nor his girlfriend's or friend's knew but these so called inside source's knew....yeah whatever

AND, they're 'afraid' of betraying their 'sources' as if 1) if many people knew, how could a single source be "identified" ?and 2) what would happen if the 'truth' were told? a mean tweet? a hanging at noon? no more Prince rare boots? Prince would still be dead...without a Will, I would add 3) A 'secret' like this, known to more than a few, would never have been kept for 2 plus years...it defies logic, human nature and the laws of the universe. Cut the cr--.

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[Edited 5/17/18 8:42am]

Right. I don't understand why this truth -- that he had cancer/ALS/congestive heart failure/whatever disease -- is such a profound, important secret that even YEARS after his death, after we've heard all kinds of stories of ODs and black-market fentanyl and a drug-fueled prince running around PP naked, and some of us have seen photos of his corpse -- this fact would need to be secreted away from the public.

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Can someone with the "insider info" at least offer an explanation as reason for the the apparently very successful conspiracy of silence around this one fact?

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

MMJas said: His own blood sister wasn't aware that he had any medical issue's nor his girlfriend's or friend's knew but these so called inside source's knew....yeah whatever

AND, they're 'afraid' of betraying their 'sources' as if 1) if many people knew, how could a single source be "identified" ?and 2) what would happen if the 'truth' were told? a mean tweet? a hanging at noon? no more Prince rare boots? Prince would still be dead...without a Will, I would add 3) A 'secret' like this, known to more than a few, would never have been kept for 2 plus years...it defies logic, human nature and the laws of the universe. Cut the cr--.

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[Edited 5/17/18 8:42am]

Morgaine said:

purplerabbithole said:

Others might have tried as well (perhaps in subtle or non-pushy ways). there is no way for us to know that. I know Sheila refused to enable and Morris Hayes asked him years ago and got a denial followed by Prince taking his first vacation ever..(1994). I think when he was younger, it was probably easier to hide usage behind eccentricity and isolation. When he was older, it seems to have started to catch up with him.

There were others who confronted him, but as far as what is known publically, no one ever took him to see their doctor, called a recovery center, etc.

I'm not sugggesting a medal or brownie points, just another perspective than Kirk is some horrible guy who wanted Prince dead. If new evidence, etc becomes available, my pov could change as well.

It's too bad there weren't more people around who could see him - I think he had that 'something' that tends to blind a lot of people - throw in fame, money, good looks, smart, talented, sense of humor, etc. it can be hard for people to see past it.

Was it Jill or Wendy who had seen him in Australia for the P & M date(s) and said he was surrounded by young people who didn't really know him.

It was Jill who said that and it was at the Oakland P & M date.

stlmuziqlvr said:

Purpleized3121, did he look this way during the entire concert or just when he was releasing the balloons? I can see why that would be heartbreaking for you.

Also, thank you, I've only seen some of the 3EG concerts on YT; I did not notice that he included black balloons with the purple and white. Agree, he did everything for a reason.

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

This is a heartbreaking thread. Pete, I am on the same page on you in terms of praying that our heroes never went down like 'that'.

Trciky - dude I hope you aren't just playing with our emotions here. Surely if there was anything medical it would have come out in the Carver county reports? I still maintain the balloons released at the end of each 3EG gig by him [Black, White & Purple] were hugely symbolic [he did everything with a hidden meaning]. I saw him at Leeds UK on that tour , front row & he looked awful, in pain & angry..truly heartbreaking to see.

Trciky - your input is intriguing BUT many of us regained some level of closure in terms of cause of death ie he messed up on self medicating & trying to control his own pain. If you have anything definitive isn't best you just say it & be done?

He was like that for most of the show apart form when he was sat at the keyboard where he seemed to find some peace. His outfit was immaculate btw inc Gold Heels! He was in an angry mood & actually threw the guitar half way across the stage at the guitar tech - my god the anger in his face was truly scary especially when we were inches away! The thing that stood out was how unhealthy he looked, his face was puffy, he looked in pain. He still gave it his all though.

benni said:

MMJas said:

What exactly were you told, Benni, and by whom?

Exactly what I said on pages 13 and 14 of this thread. Just that a friend was prepared. The person that told me was a friend of Prince's, a fan that Prince took an interest in and befriended. They aren't known and I won't share their name because they aren't known. I do know this person was a friend of Prince's. I didn't ask for any details, and even if I would have, I don't think this person would have shared them with me. I was just told that it didn't come as a surprise because he had been preparing those closest to him, that there was something more going on. That's all I was told, all I know.

[Edited 5/17/18 6:25am]

oh lawd dont tell me its the penguin girl from twitter. Is all of this speculation based on chinese whispers?...case closed to these ears unless someone of real note from the band, close friends or family comes out openly.

[Edited 5/17/18 9:32am]

PennyPurple said: