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Reply #210 posted 07/05/17 2:51pm

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rdhull said:

KingSausage said:

rdhull said: I can think of only a small number of people who've done nothing but bitch on here for years. Hell, I've praised AOA and started threads about how much I like Rave. Even Bart started a thread about some new soundboard leaks and had positive things to say about one of the shows. Sure, this site can be more negative and nasty than other discussion sites. But that's partially a reaction to people (not you) who only want to hear positive things about Prince and have some disturbing fan worship shit going on.

I feel you but lemme tell ya..the org has always been this way. Its because other sites and newsgroups (amp, HQ etc) have closed and lost luster that those denizens have come to the only purple place left standing. We freaks (asskissing ones, dorks, non audiphiles etc etc etc) were here first. The disdain the above it all ones have for the others is bs and they can either go back to their dilapidated web places of yore or stfu about those who are okay with things and state that.

You think / care / post about this kind of stuff a lot.

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Reply #211 posted 07/05/17 5:57pm

PeteSilas

thx185 said:

rdhull said:

I feel you but lemme tell ya..the org has always been this way. Its because other sites and newsgroups (amp, HQ etc) have closed and lost luster that those denizens have come to the only purple place left standing. We freaks (asskissing ones, dorks, non audiphiles etc etc etc) were here first. The disdain the above it all ones have for the others is bs and they can either go back to their dilapidated web places of yore or stfu about those who are okay with things and state that.

You think / care / post about this kind of stuff a lot.

this site honestly hasn't had sycophantic fans for over ten years in my estimation. There used to be some real fanatics here who were cultlike in their devotion, but i haven't seen much of that in a long time, mostly, I saw nothing but negativity for the last ten years, I mean toxic negativity, it was like they waited for prince to do anything so they could rip it to shreds, it won't stop now that he's dead but I've seen people be less critical of him in death, overall.

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Reply #212 posted 07/05/17 7:12pm

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thx185 said:

rdhull said:

I feel you but lemme tell ya..the org has always been this way. Its because other sites and newsgroups (amp, HQ etc) have closed and lost luster that those denizens have come to the only purple place left standing. We freaks (asskissing ones, dorks, non audiphiles etc etc etc) were here first. The disdain the above it all ones have for the others is bs and they can either go back to their dilapidated web places of yore or stfu about those who are okay with things and state that.

You think / care / post about this kind of stuff a lot.

Yeah, so what?

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
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Reply #213 posted 07/05/17 7:27pm

TheVaultKeeper

Okay, I just listened to a HiRes rip of the 2009, 180 gram LP remastered by Kevin Gray @ Acoustech Mastering, pressed at RTI, and it's now my go to Purple Rain release from now on. The dynamic range and the remastering are great. Fantastic sounding release!

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Prince & The Revolution โ€Žโ€“ Purple Rain

Label: Warner Bros. Records/Rhino Records - R1 25110

Format: Vinyl, LP, Album, Remastered, 180 Gram

Country: US

Released: 2009


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Analyzed: Prince & The Revolution / Purple Rain [Rhino 180g LP]

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DR Peak RMS Duration Track

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DR12 -0.62 dB -16.41 dB 4:37 01-Let's Go Crazy

DR14 -1.06 dB -17.28 dB 3:52 02-Take Me with U

DR13 -1.99 dB -18.50 dB 5:12 03-The Beautiful Ones

DR14 -2.24 dB -18.57 dB 3:57 04-Computer Blue

DR13 -0.19 dB -16.97 dB 4:13 05-Darling Nikki

DR15 -2.51 dB -19.68 dB 5:51 06-When Doves Cry

DR17 -1.79 dB -20.88 dB 2:48 07-I Would Die 4 U

DR15 -0.36 dB -16.64 dB 4:22 08-Baby I'm a Star

DR14 -4.71 dB -21.62 dB 8:41 09-Purple Rain

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Number of tracks: 9

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Maximum peak difference (-0.19 dB - -4.71 dB): 4.52 dB


Official DR value (SongMode): DR14 ================================================================================

[Edited 7/5/17 19:28pm]

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Reply #214 posted 07/05/17 8:13pm

PeteSilas

i wonder what version i got, i bought mine off of some russian mp3 site. It's ok. Like I say, it generally doesn't bother me, how many times have most of us listened to that album anyway? Like i keep saying, it was the extras and it was only 25 bucks.

TheVaultKeeper said:

Okay, I just listened to a HiRes rip of the 2009, 180 gram LP remastered by Kevin Gray @ Acoustech Mastering, pressed at RTI, and it's now my go to Purple Rain release from now on. The dynamic range and the remastering are great. Fantastic sounding release!

.

Prince & The Revolution โ€Žโ€“ Purple Rain

Label: Warner Bros. Records/Rhino Records - R1 25110

Format: Vinyl, LP, Album, Remastered, 180 Gram

Country: US

Released: 2009

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Analyzed: Prince & The Revolution / Purple Rain [Rhino 180g LP]

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DR Peak RMS Duration Track

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DR12 -0.62 dB -16.41 dB 4:37 01-Let's Go Crazy

DR14 -1.06 dB -17.28 dB 3:52 02-Take Me with U

DR13 -1.99 dB -18.50 dB 5:12 03-The Beautiful Ones

DR14 -2.24 dB -18.57 dB 3:57 04-Computer Blue

DR13 -0.19 dB -16.97 dB 4:13 05-Darling Nikki

DR15 -2.51 dB -19.68 dB 5:51 06-When Doves Cry

DR17 -1.79 dB -20.88 dB 2:48 07-I Would Die 4 U

DR15 -0.36 dB -16.64 dB 4:22 08-Baby I'm a Star

DR14 -4.71 dB -21.62 dB 8:41 09-Purple Rain

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Number of tracks: 9

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Maximum peak difference (-0.19 dB - -4.71 dB): 4.52 dB


Official DR value (SongMode): DR14 ================================================================================

[Edited 7/5/17 19:28pm]

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Reply #215 posted 07/06/17 11:15am

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PeteSilas said:

jjhunsecker said:

PeteSilas said: One of the greatest albums of all time should sound it's very best possible. We probably didn't "need" an upgraded "Sgt. Pepper" either, but the new version sounds great

maybe you needed it, i didn't buy it. I think sound quality is generally overrated. I must say it does make a difference but it's not something i couldn't live without.


If sound quality was overrated then there wouldn't be as many people with free lo-fi Spotify accounts. Most people prefer convenience over sound quality. That's why they listen to lossy mp3s on factory earbuds.

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Reply #216 posted 07/06/17 11:45am

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sexton said:

PeteSilas said:

maybe you needed it, i didn't buy it. I think sound quality is generally overrated. I must say it does make a difference but it's not something i couldn't live without.


If sound quality was overrated then there wouldn't be as many people with free lo-fi Spotify accounts. Most people prefer convenience over sound quality. That's why they listen to lossy mp3s on factory earbuds.

it's overrated, we didn't even really need cd's it's just more crap to buy and buy it we did. I'm old enough to remember cd's coming out, they were celebrated as having better sound quality, and this one really fails the advertisement "music has become indestructible". Cd's are every bit as fragile and prone to mishandling as vinyl is, i guess they meant it can be played forever but I've had lots of tapes and records i've played forever and never had problems with them wearing out. Getting scratched or the tape getting yanked out sure, but nothing else.

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Reply #217 posted 07/06/17 11:54am

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PeteSilas said:

sexton said:


If sound quality was overrated then there wouldn't be as many people with free lo-fi Spotify accounts. Most people prefer convenience over sound quality. That's why they listen to lossy mp3s on factory earbuds.

it's overrated, we didn't even really need cd's it's just more crap to buy and buy it we did. I'm old enough to remember cd's coming out, they were celebrated as having better sound quality, and this one really fails the advertisement "music has become indestructible". Cd's are every bit as fragile and prone to mishandling as vinyl is, i guess they meant it can be played forever but I've had lots of tapes and records i've played forever and never had problems with them wearing out. Getting scratched or the tape getting yanked out sure, but nothing else.


It's not overrated, most people are not buying these reissues. Most people are not buying anything.

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Reply #218 posted 07/06/17 12:50pm

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sexton said:

PeteSilas said:

it's overrated, we didn't even really need cd's it's just more crap to buy and buy it we did. I'm old enough to remember cd's coming out, they were celebrated as having better sound quality, and this one really fails the advertisement "music has become indestructible". Cd's are every bit as fragile and prone to mishandling as vinyl is, i guess they meant it can be played forever but I've had lots of tapes and records i've played forever and never had problems with them wearing out. Getting scratched or the tape getting yanked out sure, but nothing else.


It's not overrated, most people are not buying these reissues. Most people are not buying anything.

you think that's because of the quality? most of the reviews are positive, just look outside of the org, most people who bought the set don't give a shit, it's only here, where you fans hated everythng he did, drove the man to an early grave, don't like the remix. I could take it or leave it, i've heard it a million times, being as there is so much that I haven't listened to enough, I prioritize that over another listen to Purple Rain, great album it is, I already know it like the back of my hand, no changing a snare drum is going to make it any different for me.

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Reply #219 posted 07/06/17 1:07pm

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PeteSilas said:

sexton said:


It's not overrated, most people are not buying these reissues. Most people are not buying anything.

you think that's because of the quality? most of the reviews are positive, just look outside of the org, most people who bought the set don't give a shit, it's only here, where you fans hated everythng he did, drove the man to an early grave, don't like the remix. I could take it or leave it, i've heard it a million times, being as there is so much that I haven't listened to enough, I prioritize that over another listen to Purple Rain, great album it is, I already know it like the back of my hand, no changing a snare drum is going to make it any different for me.


Right, so if most people feel this way, how can sound quality be overrated?

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Reply #220 posted 07/06/17 1:11pm

PeteSilas

sexton said:

PeteSilas said:

you think that's because of the quality? most of the reviews are positive, just look outside of the org, most people who bought the set don't give a shit, it's only here, where you fans hated everythng he did, drove the man to an early grave, don't like the remix. I could take it or leave it, i've heard it a million times, being as there is so much that I haven't listened to enough, I prioritize that over another listen to Purple Rain, great album it is, I already know it like the back of my hand, no changing a snare drum is going to make it any different for me.


Right, so if most people feel this way, how can sound quality be overrated?

oh i see, you want to be argumentative just for the sake of arguing, ok you're right, your bright an you are smarter than me, bye, have a nice day.

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Reply #221 posted 07/06/17 1:20pm

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sexton said:


Right, so if most people feel this way, how can sound quality be overrated?

oh i see, you want to be argumentative just for the sake of arguing, ok you're right, your bright an you are smarter than me, bye, have a nice day.


It was not my intention to frustrate you. I'm saying if most people feel the way you do and don't consider high quality recordings important then high quality recordings would be underrated, not overrated.

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Reply #222 posted 07/06/17 1:30pm

PeteSilas

you're just too goddamned smart i can't cope, i'm frustrated. Bring it down.

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Reply #223 posted 07/06/17 1:41pm

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you're just too goddamned smart i can't cope, i'm frustrated. Bring it down.


Okay.

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Reply #224 posted 07/06/17 1:46pm

PeteSilas

one thing i was hoping to get was when droves cry with the bass, eric leeds says the bass was smoking and the bass he used live actually made the song better if more traditional. we didn't get it.

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Reply #225 posted 07/06/17 2:02pm

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sexton said:



PeteSilas said:




jjhunsecker said:


PeteSilas said: One of the greatest albums of all time should sound it's very best possible. We probably didn't "need" an upgraded "Sgt. Pepper" either, but the new version sounds great

maybe you needed it, i didn't buy it. I think sound quality is generally overrated. I must say it does make a difference but it's not something i couldn't live without.




If sound quality was overrated then there wouldn't be as many people with free lo-fi Spotify accounts. Most people prefer convenience over sound quality. That's why they listen to lossy mp3s on factory earbuds.



Right, people don't know what they are missing. If all you know are low-bit MP3s, and crap ear-buds, you'll think that is how music sounds. The same way if you're only eating McDonald's, you'll think that is actually good food
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Reply #226 posted 07/07/17 12:44pm

PeteSilas

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sexton said:


If sound quality was overrated then there wouldn't be as many people with free lo-fi Spotify accounts. Most people prefer convenience over sound quality. That's why they listen to lossy mp3s on factory earbuds.

Right, people don't know what they are missing. If all you know are low-bit MP3s, and crap ear-buds, you'll think that is how music sounds. The same way if you're only eating McDonald's, you'll think that is actually good food

I guess up to a certain point yes, but much past that? I think we were sold a bill of goods with every single advance in technology. I was surprised to learn that Elvis hardly ever recorded in stereo even, it never really hurt his career and it's not something people made a huge issue over. A good song trumps just about everything.

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Reply #227 posted 07/07/17 12:45pm

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jjhunsecker said:

sexton said:


If sound quality was overrated then there wouldn't be as many people with free lo-fi Spotify accounts. Most people prefer convenience over sound quality. That's why they listen to lossy mp3s on factory earbuds.

Right, people don't know what they are missing. If all you know are low-bit MP3s, and crap ear-buds, you'll think that is how music sounds. The same way if you're only eating McDonald's, you'll think that is actually good food

I guess up to a certain point yes, but much past that? I think we were sold a bill of goods with every single advance in technology. I was surprised to learn that Elvis hardly ever recorded in stereo even, it never really hurt his career and it's not something people made a huge issue over. A good song trumps just about everything.

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Reply #228 posted 07/07/17 3:35pm

ilo

When i bought the recently reissued Pet Sounds i made sure i bought the mono version. Of course without comparing it i can't tell you if it's better or worse. I do know that it stands as one of those few perfect, or should i say purrfect, albums.
[Edited 7/7/17 15:39pm]
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Reply #229 posted 07/07/17 8:02pm

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PeteSilas said:



jjhunsecker said:


sexton said:



If sound quality was overrated then there wouldn't be as many people with free lo-fi Spotify accounts. Most people prefer convenience over sound quality. That's why they listen to lossy mp3s on factory earbuds.



Right, people don't know what they are missing. If all you know are low-bit MP3s, and crap ear-buds, you'll think that is how music sounds. The same way if you're only eating McDonald's, you'll think that is actually good food

I guess up to a certain point yes, but much past that? I think we were sold a bill of goods with every single advance in technology. I was surprised to learn that Elvis hardly ever recorded in stereo even, it never really hurt his career and it's not something people made a huge issue over. A good song trumps just about everything.



I agree that the song itself IS the most important thing. But better sound does make a difference- from a hardware and a software perspective. Get a decent receiver, and most importantly, some good speakers (there are nice ones out there very reasonably priced), and the music opens up. Funny you should mention Elvis, because some recent remasters of his works have been a revelation. Elvis sounds like he is still alive and in my living room!
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Reply #230 posted 07/07/17 8:04pm

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ilo said:

When i bought the recently reissued Pet Sounds i made sure i bought the mono version. Of course without comparing it i can't tell you if it's better or worse. I do know that it stands as one of those few perfect, or should i say purrfect, albums.
[Edited 7/7/17 15:39pm]

I have the version that has the mono and the stereo versions on the same CD, so you can compare them back to back
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Reply #231 posted 07/09/17 3:52pm

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sexton said:


If sound quality was overrated then there wouldn't be as many people with free lo-fi Spotify accounts. Most people prefer convenience over sound quality. That's why they listen to lossy mp3s on factory earbuds.

Right, people don't know what they are missing. If all you know are low-bit MP3s, and crap ear-buds, you'll think that is how music sounds. The same way if you're only eating McDonald's, you'll think that is actually good food

I listen all my music in that way, and it sounds like heaven to me, but what do you mean by low bit MP3s?

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Reply #232 posted 07/10/17 12:43am

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214 said:



jjhunsecker said:


sexton said:



If sound quality was overrated then there wouldn't be as many people with free lo-fi Spotify accounts. Most people prefer convenience over sound quality. That's why they listen to lossy mp3s on factory earbuds.



Right, people don't know what they are missing. If all you know are low-bit MP3s, and crap ear-buds, you'll think that is how music sounds. The same way if you're only eating McDonald's, you'll think that is actually good food

I listen all my music in that way, and it sounds like heaven to me, but what do you mean by low bit MP3s?



Many users of I-tunes would import their music at the lowest bit rates in order to squeeze in more music, but at a decrease in sonic quality.
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Reply #233 posted 07/10/17 9:14am

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rdhull said:

I can see it now: Purple Rain, The Bernie Grundman Remaster 2018

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I do not like rehash but please let this happen.

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Reply #234 posted 07/10/17 9:22am

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udo said:

rdhull said:

I can see it now: Purple Rain, The Bernie Grundman Remaster 2018

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I do not like rehash but please let this happen.


Yep. I would fork over the dough without complaint.

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Reply #235 posted 07/10/17 9:25am

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udo said:

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I do not like rehash but please let this happen.


Yep. I would fork over the dough without complaint.

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Yup.

The single CD album thing.

Maybe in 'gold' metallic pressing for longevity.

Booklet could be like original with one or two extra pages describing the process.

35 euros max? (if it is truly the quality we seek)

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Reply #236 posted 07/10/17 12:21pm

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WOW EIGHT PAGES OF BLATHER

And no one heard the milliseconds difference of silence BETWEEN tracks on the Remaster??? hmmm (Obviously does not apply to the non-stop tracks)


Neversin said:

My 1984 cassette sounds better than this shit...

lol

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Reply #237 posted 07/10/17 12:39pm

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TheAStarr said:
HI! . I just realized that everytime i said that I couldnt believe that 'directly overseen by prince', implying the mastering was done by him, which anyone that can read between the lines means not Prince HIMSELF did not actually do the work, sounds nice though, that he directy oversaw HITNRUN brickwall CD1. . BUT everytime I would say disc 1 sounds great until dance electric starts and if its back to back on a playlist you go... oh that is the person the should remastered the real album, why did they not just give the whole thing to Grundman and "Directly Oversee" THAT, like many others said, or Steve HOFFMAN. I said like every time. HOFFMAN. WRONG. . This is a correction. .Every and i mean every time I said "Grundman or Steve Hoffman" I meant "Grundman or Steve WILSON". Steve WILSON is the guy who did the rediculous awesome new stero mix remaster, surround sound, rehearsal takes, orignal mix remastered YES releases, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, XTC, Chicago and others that blow your mind all over your face. SOMEONE will back me up on it. . That said, Grundman disc 2/3 was the right choice and Grundman should have done Disc 1 as well, THIS TIME. Disc 2 sounds like what disc 1 should (disc 1 is by no means bad I would even say pretty good but COME ON). Grundman should done the whole thing and that would put decent close the book on that type of remaster, i think Grunman would have been super. . AND THEN WB should literally hand Steve WILSON the house keys because HE IS AMAZING. (Im sorry to Steve Hoffman who i said so many times i meant someone else... but you have decent message boards๐Ÿ˜€?) . So everytime Steve Hoffman I meant Steve WILSON. . End of correction. You may now continue your bickering. Shit also I spell Bernie's name wrong all the time. I am sorry Bernie. [Edited 7/1/17 15:20pm]
A few years back in Sound and Vision magazine, Steve Wilson listed his dream projects to remix in 5.1 surround sound, and "SOTT" was high on the list !

uhhhh... what is so great (soundwise) about The Dance Electric.. i mean, really

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Reply #238 posted 07/10/17 7:22pm

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Cinny said:

WOW EIGHT PAGES OF BLATHER

And no one heard the milliseconds difference of silence BETWEEN tracks on the Remaster??? hmmm (Obviously does not apply to the non-stop tracks)

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You did not know that mastering includes the silent parts?

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Reply #239 posted 07/11/17 2:33pm

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214 said:

I listen all my music in that way, and it sounds like heaven to me, but what do you mean by low bit MP3s?

Many users of I-tunes would import their music at the lowest bit rates in order to squeeze in more music, but at a decrease in sonic quality.

so,it's not 320 kbps mp3 files?

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