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*PURPLE RAIN DELUXE* - DISC 1 (REMASTER) - Discuss

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The long-awaited Purple Rain Deluxe is out now.

You can listen on Spotify here. You can purchase it on Amazon, in your local record store, or via the official website at www.officialprincemusic.com

This thread is for discussing the remastered first disc, only.

DISC 2 (VAULT) - DISCUSSION HERE

DISC 3 (EDITS/EXTENDED) - DISCUSSION HERE

DISC 4 (DVD) - DISCUSSION HERE

PACKAGING/LINER NOTES - DISCUSSION HERE




Reply #1 posted 06/23/17 5:25am

airth

After normalizing the tracks, I'm not really hearing much - if any - difference. There's nothing to make me think I need to delete my existing tracks. In fact, the slightly harsher sounding end to Let's Go Crazy makes me think I should delete the "remaster".

Actually, I've never really thought Purple Rain needed to be remastered, but I'll spend a bit more time comparing the two.


Reply #2 posted 06/23/17 5:32am

maceoparker007

airth said:

After normalizing the tracks, I'm not really hearing much - if any - difference. There's nothing to make me think I need to delete my existing tracks. In fact, the slightly harsher sounding end to Let's Go Crazy makes me think I should delete the "remaster".

Actually, I've never really thought Purple Rain needed to be remastered, but I'll spend a bit more time comparing the two.



Yeah it all sounds a lot 'brighter' than the orginal and almost too 'clean'? The mid range seems to have gone into the background somewhat. I get hard bass and sharp treble listening on my H6 Headphones which are neutral sounding headphones.

It seems this remaster is catering for people with Beats headphones which naturally have no treble and want a fake full bodied sound with no finesse whatsoever.

Reply #3 posted 06/23/17 6:26am

pxysticks

Stupid me bought the iTunes version, not the hard copy. I wasn't aware at the time I made the purchase that there would be a hard copy with a DVD... sad

Reply #4 posted 06/23/17 7:28am

ozone14

IMO the 2015 Remaster isn't an improvement. It just sounds louder. The 2nd and 3rd disc sound better. Listen to "Love And Sex", those Linn drums sound great! "God", "Lonely Christmas", "Erotic City", "Possessed" sound great! (only mentioning the 2nd and 3rd disc as a comparison to the 1st in terms of sound quality)

[Edited 6/23/17 7:31am]

Reply #5 posted 06/23/17 7:43am

maceoparker007

ozone14 said:

IMO the 2015 Remaster isn't an improvement. It just sounds louder. The 2nd and 3rd disc sound better. Listen to "Love And Sex", those Linn drums sound great! "God", "Lonely Christmas", "Erotic City", "Possessed" sound great! (only mentioning the 2nd and 3rd disc as a comparison to the 1st in terms of sound quality)

[Edited 6/23/17 7:31am]



Doesn't surprise me as Josha Welton was the sound engineer for Disc 1, he was responsible for Hit n Run albums so all he has done is cleaned it up and made it louder at the expensive of drowning out all the details of the orginal recording.

Bernie Grundman did the remastering for the other CD's which is why some details still remain however still not great overall and some obvious imperfections like the crinkle at the beginning of Erotic City extended version.

Reply #6 posted 06/23/17 8:15am

2freaky4church1

Helps to have good speakers or phones.

DJ is da man
"2freaky is very down." 2Elijah.
"2freaky convinced me to join Antifa: OnlyNDA
Reply #7 posted 06/23/17 8:21am

2freaky4church1

Yea, it sounds brighter. Full on. No biggie. lol

DJ is da man
"2freaky is very down." 2Elijah.
"2freaky convinced me to join Antifa: OnlyNDA
Reply #8 posted 06/23/17 10:11am

thedaner

I've only heard this on a streaming service (Spotify) so far, but there is a HUGE difference. That being said, Prince loved high end so that is very much present in the new version. I think it's much better than the original master and glad to have it!

Reply #9 posted 06/23/17 10:46am

ozone14

2freaky4church1 said:

  Helps to have good speakers or phones. 


A good mix and master should sound good on any device. Besides that I have good speakers. But like a previous poster said, a lot of the detail is missing. It's over compressed in order to be as loud as possible.
Reply #10 posted 06/23/17 10:48am

ozone14

maceoparker007 said:

 



ozone14 said:


IMO the 2015 Remaster isn't an improvement. It just sounds louder. The 2nd and 3rd disc sound better. Listen to "Love And Sex", those Linn drums sound great! "God", "Lonely Christmas", "Erotic City", "Possessed" sound great! (only mentioning the 2nd and 3rd disc as a comparison to the 1st in terms of sound quality)


[Edited 6/23/17 7:31am]





Doesn't surprise me as Josha Welton was the sound engineer for Disc 1, he was responsible for Hit n Run albums so all he has done is cleaned it up and made it louder at the expensive of drowning out all the details of the orginal recording.

Bernie Grundman did the remastering for the other CD's which is why some details still remain however still not great overall and some obvious imperfections like the crinkle at the beginning of Erotic City extended version.


Thanks for the info. Yea it's def 2 different masters
Reply #11 posted 06/23/17 11:30am

KingSausage

Should we have a separate sticky for the vinyl release?
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #12 posted 06/23/17 1:06pm

TheAStarr

maceoparker007 said:

 



airth said:


After normalizing the tracks, I'm not really hearing much - if any - difference. There's nothing to make me think I need to delete my existing tracks. In fact, the slightly harsher sounding end to Let's Go Crazy makes me think I should delete the "remaster".

Actually, I've never really thought Purple Rain needed to be remastered, but I'll spend a bit more time comparing the two.






Yeah it all sounds a lot 'brighter' than the orginal and almost too 'clean'? The mid range seems to have gone into the background somewhat. I get hard bass and sharp treble listening on my H6 Headphones which are neutral sounding headphones.

It seems this remaster is catering for people with Beats headphones which naturally have no treble and want a fake full bodied sound with no finesse whatsoever.



Well i am listening with Darth Beyers on a cell phone mp3 so.. all the same darth beyers.. i can hear whats going on for later on actual disk and proper speakers... this IS better. PURPLE RAIN is a bitch to master and too clean? No. Perfectly clean.but not 100 percent clean. Except DARLING NIKKI is showing what you can do with remastering as opposed to remix/remaster... its weird... the previous distortion hid the ACTUAL DISTORTION and sounds worse, meanwhile other parts of the song shine.. when that article said he went brighter i thought "a distortional headeache... plus it really bright already." BUT I almost fell over when THE BEAUTIFUL ONES came on, right after a decent TAKE ME WITH U considering I was thinking maybe its crazy but Appelonia CAN.. ALMOST... SING a little? Im not through it uet but THE BEAUTIFUL ONES nailed it. BABY IM A STAR is not doing too badly either. We shall see the reality. I will let you all A/B that... i still saw Metallica, THE REVOLUTION and THE REVOLUTION last week. I probably cant hear.
Starrfighter
Reply #13 posted 06/23/17 1:10pm

TheAStarr

ozone14 said:

maceoparker007 said:

 



ozone14 said:


IMO the 2015 Remaster isn't an improvement. It just sounds louder. The 2nd and 3rd disc sound better. Listen to "Love And Sex", those Linn drums sound great! "God", "Lonely Christmas", "Erotic City", "Possessed" sound great! (only mentioning the 2nd and 3rd disc as a comparison to the 1st in terms of sound quality)


[Edited 6/23/17 7:31am]





Doesn't surprise me as Josha Welton was the sound engineer for Disc 1, he was responsible for Hit n Run albums so all he has done is cleaned it up and made it louder at the expensive of drowning out all the details of the orginal recording.

Bernie Grundman did the remastering for the other CD's which is why some details still remain however still not great overall and some obvious imperfections like the crinkle at the beginning of Erotic City extended version.


Thanks for the info. Yea it's def 2 different masters

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FUCKING A. It SHOULD have been PRINCE himself, or really Bernie or Steve Hoffman. The guy for HITNRUN? That last sentence I just said is infused with irony, stupidty, and sadness.
[Edited 6/23/17 13:12pm]
Starrfighter
Reply #14 posted 06/23/17 1:15pm

TheAStarr

SO, does anyone have the vinyl so you can tell us bot to buy it other than for collection because... really what are the chances it was mastered properly for vinyl, and its really just a 180g very large CD? Please let us know.
Starrfighter
Reply #15 posted 06/23/17 1:24pm

TheAStarr

Duplicate please delete. Or tell me how. Yes i know ive been here way too long for that question.
[Edited 6/23/17 13:44pm]
Starrfighter
Reply #16 posted 06/23/17 1:39pm

TheAStarr

TheAStarr said:[quote]

ozone14 said:


Thanks for the info. Yea it's def 2 different masters


Yes thanks for this information. Even mp3 gotta say DANCE ELECTRIC happened and although disc 1 i feel is more improved than not, dance electric right after that long purple rain ending I just went...
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OHHH THERE IT IS.
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Someone with the vinyl tell me it was mastered it should be.... (i know but this is where i hope.... and again i don't dislike the CD but I think it is more of an an improvent than not.
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But damnit disc 2 started... like a kick in the ass).
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AND I must restate that i dont have my physical set yer... and this is a cell phone and a downloaded not streaed mp3 but its a good phone and the HEADPHONES. I cant like judge judge...but uh yeah. Disc one im like cool alright i like this, ooh i hear that.. decent job... then really disc 2 just smacked me upside my head while I was typing and yelled at me.. "GET BACK! DONT YOU TOUCH MY STEREO THIS IS MY WRECKAS!"
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Starrfighter
Reply #17 posted 06/23/17 2:11pm

rogifan

KingSausage said:

Should we have a separate sticky for the vinyl release?

Can we have a separate sticky for everyone who wants to complain about this release? lol
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #18 posted 06/23/17 3:20pm

TheAStarr

rogifan said:

KingSausage said:

Should we have a separate sticky for the vinyl release?

Can we have a separate sticky for everyone who wants to complain about this release? lol

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Well is it worth it? Again, I keep asking, is the exact master just shoved onto the vinyl or was some proper analag done? No point for another sticky if people will just complain there too. I dont this femaster is too bad at all, but the fact that main album is the one that make a person tilt their head once disc 2 begins. I am praying its not exactly the same. No one has reported on it yet.
[Edited 6/23/17 15:21pm]
Starrfighter
Reply #19 posted 06/23/17 3:26pm

KingSausage

rogifan said:

KingSausage said:

Should we have a separate sticky for the vinyl release?

Can we have a separate sticky for everyone who wants to complain about this release? lol



Really? Do you not understand why someone might want a separate discussion about the vinyl release? Good christ.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #20 posted 06/23/17 3:28pm

kingricefan

I haven't even received an email from Amazon yet letting me know that my order has been shipped. They probably won't even get around to it until next Thursday.......Why pre-order something if they can't even get it shipped out on the release date (or a day before)?

Reply #21 posted 06/23/17 3:35pm

TheAStarr

KingSausage said:

rogifan said:


Can we have a separate sticky for everyone who wants to complain about this release? lol



Really? Do you not understand why someone might want a separate discussion about the vinyl release? Good christ.

..

OH I DO. I just dont seem to have faith that this is is quite possibly andigital remaster of analog record pretty close to bricked digitally, not mastered for vinyl properly and oh... shoved digital back to analog. HEY I have not heard it, anx i think the CD is decent, but someone needs to say... "the vinyl is where it is at and this is why" and trust me I am all for a different thread. But if it is a giant analog what... laserdisc, ha, of the exact same sound. The CD is fine.. .
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You know its WB right? Im just looking for anyone who has the vinyl and their thoughts... or info... its oddly quiet.
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Starrfighter
Reply #22 posted 06/23/17 3:38pm

TheAStarr

kingricefan said:

I haven't even received an email from Amazon yet letting me know that my order has been shipped. They probably won't even get around to it until next Thursday.....Why pre-order something if they can't even get it shipped out on the release date (or a day before)?



Well, you should be able to download and listen to the mp3s in Amazon music... thats something?
Starrfighter
Reply #23 posted 06/23/17 4:22pm

ForceofNature

It isn't like this remaster is unlistenable at all - and it even has improved bass from what I can hear. However the HD Tracks version of the album is the best sounding one in my opinion, dynamic and a great balanced EQ overall. This one has a bit too much compression for my taste

Reply #24 posted 06/23/17 4:29pm

KingSausage

The remaster isn't the worst thing I've ever heard. But I don't hear anything that approaches an improvement over the previous CD. I love the other parts of this set, but disc 1 is a coaster in waiting.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #25 posted 06/23/17 4:42pm

maceoparker007

2freaky4church1 said:

  Yea, it sounds brighter.  Full on.  No biggie.  lol 



The brighter tone wrecks havoc on any tracks which feature high end gutair playing am also finding Prince's vocals sound more distant...this together makes the leading track Purple Rain distressing to listen to as the emotion has been effectively been 'bleached' out.
Reply #26 posted 06/23/17 4:49pm

Bishop31

I wanted to see exactly what Joshua did with the "Remaster". So, I uploaded this into my Ableton Software that I use to Mix/Master my own music. If you look at my screenshot above, you will see the difference in the dynamics on the New (Top) and Original (Bottom). You will notice how the New Master is on some parts totally dark, which means it literally has no dynamics. He CRANKED TF out of this album. All he did was RAISE THE VOLUME. So, don't confuse louder with better. The AES Standard, which suggests the Loudness Level Standards for music, their standard is -16. "Lets Go Crazy" was -6.6. That's -10db higher than the AES Standard. That's absolute garbage, and frankly unprofessional.

Apple Music standard is -16 and Spotify is -14. Both streaming sites will have to lower the levels of this album. Which means it will sound like a Squashed Turd.

Reply #27 posted 06/23/17 5:18pm

maceoparker007

Bishop31 said:


 


 


I wanted to see exactly what Joshua did with the "Remaster". So, I uploaded this into my Ableton Software that I use to Mix/Master my own music. If you look at my screenshot above, you will see the difference in the dynamics on the New (Top) and Original (Bottom). You will notice how the New Master is on some parts totally dark, which means it literally has no dynamics. He CRANKED TF out of this album. All he did was RAISE THE VOLUME. So, don't confuse louder with better. The AES Standard, which suggests the Loudness Level Standards for music, their standard is -16. "Lets Go Crazy" was -6.6. That's -10db higher than the AES Standard. That's absolute garbage, and frankly unprofessional.


 


Apple Music standard is -16 and Spotify is -14. Both streaming sites will have to lower the levels of this album. Which means it will sound like a Squashed Turd. 


 


 


 


 



thanks for that, yep the new remaster doesn't sit well for me. If I want to listen to the ,purple rain soundtrack I will be using the original cd.

i don't think Joshua did it knowingly, however it does show how inexperienced he is
Reply #28 posted 06/23/17 6:04pm

kingricefan

Yes, I do have that option but the problem is that my internet connection cuts out for split seconds about three times a minute (Comcast swears that it's my 'port' on my pc where the cable plugs in the back), so I can't download anything that will take a while to download without it screwing up. I'll just wait til I actually have my copy in my hand and rip it to my music center.

TheAStarr said:

kingricefan said:

I haven't even received an email from Amazon yet letting me know that my order has been shipped. They probably won't even get around to it until next Thursday.......Why pre-order something if they can't even get it shipped out on the release date (or a day before)?

Well, you should be able to download and listen to the mp3s in Amazon music... thats something?

Reply #29 posted 06/23/17 7:17pm

TheAStarr

maceoparker007 said:

Bishop31 said:


 


 


I wanted to see exactly what Joshua did with the "Remaster". So, I uploaded this into my Ableton Software that I use to Mix/Master my own music. If you look at my screenshot above, you will see the difference in the dynamics on the New (Top) and Original (Bottom). You will notice how the New Master is on some parts totally dark, which means it literally has no dynamics. He CRANKED TF out of this album. All he did was RAISE THE VOLUME. So, don't confuse louder with better. The AES Standard, which suggests the Loudness Level Standards for music, their standard is -16. "Lets Go Crazy" was -6.6. That's -10db higher than the AES Standard. That's absolute garbage, and frankly unprofessional.


 


Apple Music standard is -16 and Spotify is -14. Both streaming sites will have to lower the levels of this album. Which means it will sound like a Squashed Turd. 


 


 


 


 



thanks for that, yep the new remaster doesn't sit well for me. If I want to listen to the ,purple rain soundtrack I will be using the original cd.

i don't think Joshua did it knowingly, however it does show how inexperienced he is

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Where is Scottie when you need him? Usually there... but what if they approached this disc to make you feel like you really were there. Not like crazy just some.... Thats what is is like for the revolution and scottie is doing tbe soud on tour right now.
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There is something... i disagreed earlier partially about it being too clean. But tbiz feel like PERFECT perfect.like you dont want...
.BUT
. DISC 2 THOUGH. DISC ONE feels archival...nicely done.
DISC 2 REMINDS YOU OF THE REAL THING.
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Starrfighter
Reply #30 posted 06/23/17 7:28pm

JoeyCococo

airth said:

After normalizing the tracks, I'm not really hearing much - if any - difference. There's nothing to make me think I need to delete my existing tracks. In fact, the slightly harsher sounding end to Let's Go Crazy makes me think I should delete the "remaster".

Actually, I've never really thought Purple Rain needed to be remastered, but I'll spend a bit more time comparing the two.





The remaster is TERRIBLE. Sorry to say but it bleeds...distorts and is painful t times. As...one of the most amazing albums ever...i swear I hear distortion on Purple Rain. How could this happen
Reply #31 posted 06/23/17 8:09pm

SquirrelMeat

You can label the changes all you want, all I hear is a volume and base increase. I did that myself years ago.

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Reply #32 posted 06/23/17 8:51pm

luvgirl

This sounds really vivid to me. I think it's excellent quality and I'm satisfied..
I just want you here, I just want you near me baby, cause I'm scared I'll cry, I love you like crazy.
~RIP~
Reply #33 posted 06/23/17 9:16pm

JoeyCococo

luvgirl said:

This sounds really vivid to me. I think it's excellent quality and I'm satisfied..


Do not mean to offend. For those into HIFI...this sounds terrible. We listen to music differently.
Reply #34 posted 06/23/17 9:26pm

funkycomic

I think the remaster sound is great!
Reply #35 posted 06/24/17 12:55am

thedance

Warner chose the wrong version of The Dance Electric (no guitar distorted, on the 2014 leaked version, theres an amazing guitar from 3:43 and on, this is missing on the Expanded version! and, also - there's no Wendy & Lisa backing voices, on the Expanded version).

And I understand (from another thread) theres an error in the intro to Erotic City (Extended). eek

Also an error, a hole in the music in right channel in Computer Blue (Hallway speech (Extended)), at 3:34.

I am only writing, listing from others, in another thread.... but....


How in the whole world can these mistakes happen..... sigh at Warner Bros.


cry



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Prince 4Ever. heart
Reply #36 posted 06/24/17 1:02am

luvgirl

JoeyCococo said:

luvgirl said:

This sounds really vivid to me. I think it's excellent quality and I'm satisfied..


Do not mean to offend. For those into HIFI...this sounds terrible. We listen to music differently.


Really? It sounds great to me, lol. Definitely better than what I had before, and with that I'm content.
I just want you here, I just want you near me baby, cause I'm scared I'll cry, I love you like crazy.
~RIP~
Reply #37 posted 06/24/17 1:21am

Neversin

My 1984 cassette sounds better than this shit...
This shit makes me believe a midget with a Linn Drum lives inside of my left ear...

Neversin.

O(+>NIИ<+)O

“Is man merely a mistake of God's? Or God merely a mistake of man's?”

- Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
Reply #38 posted 06/24/17 3:16am

antonb

The remaster sounds better to me too. No complaints. I have enjoyed the whole thing really.
Reply #39 posted 06/24/17 4:24am

maceoparker007

Some people say it sounds great and others say its not great. It all depends on what equipment you use to listen to it on AND to some extent how old you are....

yep the older you get the more your ears are unlikely to pickup the intricate details and layers within the music....e.g the smallest tinkle of a cymbal in the background, the slighest breathe of Prince or the depth of every string plucked in every cord.

At some point your ears simply wont be able to register these differences anymore....similar analogy is needing reading glasses as you get older....or adding more seasoning to your food because your taste buds have died off.

Your senses degrade over time no matter who you are...when you get older you will find you add more chilli or salt and pepper to your food.

So I can see why some people are loving the new remaster...its basically been 'spiced up' or 'artifically sweetened' depending on how you look at it...and your senses are responding to it because thats what you now need to get your 'kick'....but the reality is you have basically altered the recipe to your liking and is totally different to what the chef (i.e Prince) created.

Sorry if this offends but its true.

[Edited 6/24/17 4:29am]

Reply #40 posted 06/24/17 5:27am

rogifan

luvgirl said:

This sounds really vivid to me. I think it's excellent quality and I'm satisfied..

Well according to some here....to tweak a Steve Jobs phrase...you're listening to it wrong. lol
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #41 posted 06/24/17 5:28am

Bishop31

I've learned that most people confuse "LOUDER" with better. It's really not.

Reply #42 posted 06/24/17 5:29am

Adorecream

Bishop31 said:

I wanted to see exactly what Joshua did with the "Remaster". So, I uploaded this into my Ableton Software that I use to Mix/Master my own music. If you look at my screenshot above, you will see the difference in the dynamics on the New (Top) and Original (Bottom). You will notice how the New Master is on some parts totally dark, which means it literally has no dynamics. He CRANKED TF out of this album. All he did was RAISE THE VOLUME. So, don't confuse louder with better. The AES Standard, which suggests the Loudness Level Standards for music, their standard is -16. "Lets Go Crazy" was -6.6. That's -10db higher than the AES Standard. That's absolute garbage, and frankly unprofessional.

Apple Music standard is -16 and Spotify is -14. Both streaming sites will have to lower the levels of this album. Which means it will sound like a Squashed Turd.

No disrespect, but seriously what is the point of these types of posts. I mean we are not audio technicians and boffins and most are music fans wanting to join the music, who cares if a commercially rereleased copy of a 33 year old album does not meet your scientific standards.

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This type of audile snobbery makes those of us with budget and basic musical systems along with basic knowledge of musical waves or whatever the fuck you call this shit, look like clueless morons. What is the point of this shit?

.

Do you guys actually enjoy music or just analyse with 5000 waves of subamicrons and xugalotles or something. This is like reading medieval cyrillic to someone like me.

Got some kind of love for you, and I don't even know your name
Reply #43 posted 06/24/17 5:34am

KingSausage

Waveforms are visual evidence of terrible compression and loss of dynamics ruining good music. What's the point of posts like that? So that we can SEE that what we're hearing -- brickwalled horseshit -- is sadly true. Without posts like that, we'd just be arguing about whose ears are better or what audio gear we're using. Well, here's some fucking evidence. It doesn't mean you can't enjoy the remaster or even prefer it to the old CD. Hell, the remaster might even be more appealing to people who only listen to music on their iPhones with cheap earbuds. But there's no denying the awful loss of dynamics on the remaster. The evidence is right there.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #44 posted 06/24/17 6:05am

ozone14

^^exactly. We are just explaining why we don't like the sound. I guarantee, if the people who say they like the remaster heard it mastered with more dynamic range, they'd prefer that because when the sound is brick walked like it is on this ,details of the recording get watered out. Listen to the Linn Drums on WDC and then "Love And Sex". Which sounds better?
Reply #45 posted 06/24/17 6:24am

PurpleTrollster

>patiently waiting for the announcement for Josh Welton's EDM remix for Purple rain
4chans' ambassador to prince.org
Reply #46 posted 06/24/17 7:27am

Bishop31

Adorecream said:

Bishop31 said:

I wanted to see exactly what Joshua did with the "Remaster". So, I uploaded this into my Ableton Software that I use to Mix/Master my own music. If you look at my screenshot above, you will see the difference in the dynamics on the New (Top) and Original (Bottom). You will notice how the New Master is on some parts totally dark, which means it literally has no dynamics. He CRANKED TF out of this album. All he did was RAISE THE VOLUME. So, don't confuse louder with better. The AES Standard, which suggests the Loudness Level Standards for music, their standard is -16. "Lets Go Crazy" was -6.6. That's -10db higher than the AES Standard. That's absolute garbage, and frankly unprofessional.

Apple Music standard is -16 and Spotify is -14. Both streaming sites will have to lower the levels of this album. Which means it will sound like a Squashed Turd.

No disrespect, but seriously what is the point of these types of posts. I mean we are not audio technicians and boffins and most are music fans wanting to join the music, who cares if a commercially rereleased copy of a 33 year old album does not meet your scientific standards.

.

This type of audile snobbery makes those of us with budget and basic musical systems along with basic knowledge of musical waves or whatever the fuck you call this shit, look like clueless morons. What is the point of this shit?

.

Do you guys actually enjoy music or just analyse with 5000 waves of subamicrons and xugalotles or something. This is like reading medieval cyrillic to someone like me.

I ran this test AFTER listening to it. It sounded like a compressed pile of horse poop, so I wanted to check and see why. And the reason why is because someone (Josh) who obviously doesn't know what he was doing, raised the volume and killed the dynamics. Professional Mastering Engineers have techniques to raise the perceived volume of a song without killing the dynamics. Neither Josh or Prince had any clue how to Master an album. This is the result. Unprofessional sound. I'm not trying to come off as an "audio snob". Having a degree in Recording Engineering, I'm simply pointing out that this is not a good mastering product. Simply put, louder is not always better.

Reply #47 posted 06/24/17 7:42am

ChrisLacy1990

Militant said:

C-hEiCRXUAE4tN6.jpg



The long-awaited Purple Rain Deluxe is out now.

You can listen on Spotify here. You can purchase it on Amazon, in your local record store, or via the official website at www.officialprincemusic.com

This thread is for discussing the remastered first disc, only.

DISC 2 (VAULT) - DISCUSSION HERE

DISC 3 (EDITS/EXTENDED) - DISCUSSION HERE

DISC 4 (DVD) - DISCUSSION HERE

PACKAGING/LINER NOTES - DISCUSSION HERE




Purple Rain has become so intricately sewn into the fabric of pop culture that we rarely sit back and look at how the original songs measure up when separated from the movie. Guitar heroics? Check (“Let’s Go Crazy,” “Computer Blue,” “Purple Rain”). A radiant beam of sunshine pop? Check (“Take Me with U”). Sweat-drenched balladry aching with desire and longing? Double-check (“The Beautiful Ones”). A throat-shredding, X-rated escapade which single-handedly birthed the Parental Advisory sticker? Done (“Darling Nikki”). How about a pocket-sized, synthpop gem made for pumping fists at the ceiling yet appropriate for a Sunday morning sermon? You got it (“I Would Die 4 U”). Finally, a scorchingly bitter masterpiece that aims for the Billboard rafters without sacrificing an ounce of integrity or creativity? Bullseye (“When Doves Cry”). As a musical Halloween of sounds and styles from various eras, Purple Rain is a genre unto itself.

Reply #48 posted 06/24/17 8:08am

BookofVictor

It's really a shame that this (or any other album) doesn't get the respect it deserves with these terrible masters. Are they really mastering albums to the 1" speaker on kid's phones?

Reply #49 posted 06/24/17 8:34am

TheW00denLeg

I was a little shocked when I heard this remaster. I had no idea how someone like Bernie Grundman could come up with something like this. Now I learned it was Joshua Welton...and am even more shocked. I mean, this is one of the most succesful and most famous albums ever by one of the most succesful and most famous artists ever. It´s both a late anniversary of Purple Rain and a late first anniversary of Prince´ death. And they are not even hiring a proper mastering engineer? I don´t know what to think of that.

On the plus side I like the clarity of the record, so you can locate the instruments better and hear what everybody plays. But imho he took it too far and made it sound like a demo. And he fvcked up the top end. Totally. This is a beginners fault and to me it´s pretty annoying. The vocals and some guitar solos are nothing but harsh to an uncomfortable level.

I´m fine with the other CDs, since these were actual demos from unknown sources. I didn´t expect them to sound "produced", but actually they sound better than expected. Of course something like Erotic City must not happen, especially if they had access to the official Version of the "Let´s go crazy" CD-Single. But I don´t know if they had.

Adorecream said:

No disrespect, but seriously what is the point of these types of posts. I mean we are not audio technicians and boffins and most are music fans wanting to join the music, who cares if a commercially rereleased copy of a 33 year old album does not meet your scientific standards.

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This type of audile snobbery makes those of us with budget and basic musical systems along with basic knowledge of musical waves or whatever the fuck you call this shit, look like clueless morons. What is the point of this shit?

.

Do you guys actually enjoy music or just analyse with 5000 waves of subamicrons and xugalotles or something. This is like reading medieval cyrillic to someone like me.

Why would you feel like a moron if you see something you´re not familiar with (yet) or don´t even care about? The great thing in life is that we can always learn smile

If you´re happy with the release and its sound - that´s perfect. But some of us aren´t. And that has nothing to do with snobbery.

Of course we/I enjoy music. One thing I love especially about Prince is the dozens of hidden things happening in the background. I listen to his records I know for 20+ years and still find something new. The problem is: With an average loudness of -6,6dB (as mentioned above) there is no background. It means the quietest and the loudest parts are just 6,6dB apart. There is no dynamic range. Unfortunately -6 to -8dB is the average loudness of current Pop records. To achieve such numbers you have to start at the writing and arranging stage, but obvioulsy that´s not possible if doing a (re)master. So the only way to come up with -6 in mastering is squashing the life out of it, which happend here. And the sad thing is - you hear it. There is even audible distortion in Purple Rain and I think Let´s go crazy, and that is the worst case. This is something that must not happen. Ever! With todays software it actually can not happen at all, so he obviously used outboard gear (of course) and didn´t gain stage properly (meaning he didn´t set the volume sending to his gear to a suitable level). These are actual beginners faults and I´m fascinated, that this happens on and to a record like Purple Rain.

I´d be interested in hearing from someone who bought the vinyl, since this should have a seperate mastering. Is this just as bad? (In case they didn´t went the cheap oldschool way and just snipped hi- and low-end).

Reply #50 posted 06/24/17 10:14am

SLP

Bishop31 said:

I ran this test AFTER listening to it. It sounded like a compressed pile of horse poop, so I wanted to check and see why. And the reason why is because someone (Josh) who obviously doesn't know what he was doing, raised the volume and killed the dynamics.

I don't even have a degree in anything, but I have ears, which I assume people who master records also have. The hard ending on Let's Go Crazy sounded AWESOME on the original master (hell, even on my old cassette copy), but this version sounds like someone recorded a tornado ripping through a basement. There's just nothing there but noise. Why does this happen? Do people just not care anymore?

Reply #51 posted 06/24/17 10:44am

rogifan


[Edited 6/24/17 10:45am]
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Reply #52 posted 06/24/17 10:46am

Bishop31

SLP said:

Bishop31 said:

I ran this test AFTER listening to it. It sounded like a compressed pile of horse poop, so I wanted to check and see why. And the reason why is because someone (Josh) who obviously doesn't know what he was doing, raised the volume and killed the dynamics.

I don't even have a degree in anything, but I have ears, which I assume people who master records also have. The hard ending on Let's Go Crazy sounded AWESOME on the original master (hell, even on my old cassette copy), but this version sounds like someone recorded a tornado ripping through a basement. There's just nothing there but noise. Why does this happen? Do people just not care anymore?

I would assume Prince has great ears. Which leads me to believe he didn't care at all about this project. Because, if he heard it, he wouldn't think it sounded very pleasant. That leads me to believe he didn't listen to this at all. He wanted to give this to WB, so he could get his music and be done with them.

Reply #53 posted 06/24/17 10:48am

Doozer

rogifan said:

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I'd honestly love to hear his story on the approach to this remaster and what he/Prince were trying to improve upon.
Reply #54 posted 06/24/17 10:49am

206Michelle

Is it just me, or does the remastered version of The Beautiful Ones sound INCREDIBLE? I kept skipping back and forth between the original and the remaster, and I can't pinpoint what exactly is different, but the remastered version is clearer, fuller, and the synths sound AMAZING! It sounds like there's a full-blown orchestra playing. I'm listening via Spotify on my iPhone.

[Edited 6/24/17 10:51am]

Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above
Reply #55 posted 06/24/17 11:09am

Bishop31

rogifan said:

[Edited 6/24/17 10:45am]

I responded to his Tweet with my thoughts on the ReMaster lacking dynamics. It's important he hears it, and is not lied to with this "Oh, it sounds awesome" fandom. Louder does not equal better. "Let's Go Crazy" was almost 10db over the AES standards for Loudness levels. Thats awful.

Reply #56 posted 06/24/17 11:12am

rdhull

Bishop31 said:

rogifan said:

[Edited 6/24/17 10:45am]

I responded to his Tweet with my thoughts on the ReMaster lacking dynamics. It's important he hears it, and is not lied to with this "Oh, it sounds awesome" fandom. Louder does not equal better. "Let's Go Crazy" was almost 10db over the AES standards for Loudness levels. Thats awful.

So they didnt get that 11 was satire?

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #57 posted 06/24/17 11:21am

maceoparker007

Bishop31 said:

rogifan said:

[Edited 6/24/17 10:45am]

I responded to his Tweet with my thoughts on the ReMaster lacking dynamics. It's important he hears it, and is not lied to with this "Oh, it sounds awesome" fandom. Louder does not equal better. "Let's Go Crazy" was almost 10db over the AES standards for Loudness levels. Thats awful.


Yep I made a comment too....gotta to say how it is.

Reply #58 posted 06/24/17 11:36am

coltrane3

One of my biggest takeaways from this deluxe edition is how great the original album is. Obviously, most of the focus is on Disc 2, which has all of the previously unreleased tracks. But, getting this deluxe set made me listen to Purple Rain from front to back in one listening again; hadn't done that in a while. Wow, what a great album.

Reply #59 posted 06/24/17 11:45am

rogifan

Bishop31 said:

 



rogifan said:


[Edited 6/24/17 10:45am]

 


I responded to his Tweet with my thoughts on the ReMaster lacking dynamics. It's important he hears it, and is not lied to with this "Oh, it sounds awesome" fandom. Louder does not equal better. "Let's Go Crazy" was almost 10db over the AES standards for Loudness levels. Thats awful.


It's good that he gets honest feedback but if someone is enjoying it what's the lie?
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #60 posted 06/24/17 11:46am

rogifan

coltrane3 said:

One of my biggest takeaways from this deluxe edition is how great the original album is.   Obviously, most of the focus is on Disc 2, which has all of the previously unreleased tracks.  But, getting this deluxe set made me listen to Purple Rain from front to back in one listening again; hadn't done that in a while.  Wow, what a great album.


I don't have many albums where I listen to the whole thing because every track is amazing. This album would be one of them. Second maybe would be Fleetwood Mac's Rumors.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #61 posted 06/24/17 12:13pm

maceoparker007

rogifan said:

Bishop31 said:

I responded to his Tweet with my thoughts on the ReMaster lacking dynamics. It's important he hears it, and is not lied to with this "Oh, it sounds awesome" fandom. Louder does not equal better. "Let's Go Crazy" was almost 10db over the AES standards for Loudness levels. Thats awful.

It's good that he gets honest feedback but if someone is enjoying it what's the lie?


I dont have an issue with it at all, its more about expectations. Lets paint a scene...

You walk into a diner and look at the milkshakes, you fancy a strawberry milkshake advertised as being made from real strawberries.

The waiter brings you your strawberry milkshake, you drink it all up and say "YUMMY thats the best strawberry milkshake I have had !!"

Later on during the day you discover it didn't contain real strawberries, instead it was strawberry flavoured.

You enjoyed it right? whats the issue?....problem is you paid a premium for a real strawberry milkshake.

The next day you go to a more trustworthy diner, and this time to get a milkshake thats truely made from real strawberries....and you know what? It tastes even better than fake one you had yesterday.

lol

[Edited 6/24/17 12:24pm]

Reply #62 posted 06/24/17 12:37pm

james

On first listen I noticed a few annoying things, like the end of Let's Go Crazy.
But need a few more listens and to compare it to the original again!!

Odd that the version of Computer Blue on Disk 2 sounds Soooo much better than the Remastered album version!!
Reply #63 posted 06/24/17 1:07pm

maceoparker007

james said:

On first listen I noticed a few annoying things, like the end of Let's Go Crazy. But need a few more listens and to compare it to the original again!! Odd that the version of Computer Blue on Disk 2 sounds Soooo much better than the Remastered album version!!


Thats because Joshua Welton remastered Disc 1. Bernie Grundman (who is very experienced sound engineer) remastered disc 2 and 3.


Joshua is facing a lot of criticism from audophiles as it seems he made the songs too loud and cut out a some of the frequencies as a result of his 'remastering' work.

[Edited 6/24/17 13:12pm]

Reply #64 posted 06/24/17 1:27pm

ozone14

Well, on the bright side, at least they'll be no more "Paisley Park Masters". WB will have all future releases done by real mastering engineers. Unfortunaltey for Purple Rain, we'll probably have to wait til 2024 for another one.

[Edited 6/24/17 13:29pm]

Reply #65 posted 06/24/17 2:02pm

rogifan

maceoparker007 said:

 



rogifan said:


Bishop31 said:

 


 


I responded to his Tweet with my thoughts on the ReMaster lacking dynamics. It's important he hears it, and is not lied to with this "Oh, it sounds awesome" fandom. Louder does not equal better. "Let's Go Crazy" was almost 10db over the AES standards for Loudness levels. Thats awful.



It's good that he gets honest feedback but if someone is enjoying it what's the lie?


I dont have an issue with it at all, its more about expectations. Lets paint a scene...

You walk into a diner and look at the milkshakes, you fancy a strawberry milkshake advertised as being made from real strawberries.

The waiter brings you your strawberry milkshake, you drink it all up and say "YUMMY thats the best strawberry milkshake I have had !!"

Later on during the day you discover it didn't contain real strawberries, instead it was strawberry flavoured.

You enjoyed it right? whats the issue?....problem is you paid a premium for a real strawberry milkshake.

The next day you go to a more trustworthy diner, and this time to get a milkshake thats truely made from real strawberries....and you know what? It tastes even better than fake one you had yesterday.

lol 

[Edited 6/24/17 12:24pm]


No it's like I have this really nice Bose BT speaker that (to my ears) puts out amazing sound and then an audiophile listens to it and tells me it's a piece of crap. lol But you all don't have to worry as now that Prince is no longer here I doubt Joshua Welton will be involved in any other Prince related projects.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #66 posted 06/24/17 2:03pm

KingSausage

Bose sucks.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #67 posted 06/24/17 2:09pm

rogifan

KingSausage said:

Bose sucks.

See what I mean? lol

Btw, I do have a Bose Soundlink Mini and it definitely doesn't suck. razz
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #68 posted 06/24/17 2:24pm

maceoparker007

rogifan said:

KingSausage said:
Bose sucks.
See what I mean? lol Btw, I do have a Bose Soundlink Mini and it definitely doesn't suck. razz


Bose Mini is ok for a small speaker and definetly good enough for playing back average standard mp3 music lol

Music is all about emotion and half of it you create mind in your mind.....so if you are getting emotionally excited from playing Prince tracks through your Bose mini you go girl lol

[Edited 6/24/17 14:29pm]

Reply #69 posted 06/24/17 2:59pm

KingSausage

I would feel pretty emotional if I had to play all my music through Bose gear.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #70 posted 06/24/17 3:45pm

djThunderfunk

Adorecream said:

Bishop31 said:

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I wanted to see exactly what Joshua did with the "Remaster". So, I uploaded this into my Ableton Software that I use to Mix/Master my own music. If you look at my screenshot above, you will see the difference in the dynamics on the New (Top) and Original (Bottom). You will notice how the New Master is on some parts totally dark, which means it literally has no dynamics. He CRANKED TF out of this album. All he did was RAISE THE VOLUME. So, don't confuse louder with better. The AES Standard, which suggests the Loudness Level Standards for music, their standard is -16. "Lets Go Crazy" was -6.6. That's -10db higher than the AES Standard. That's absolute garbage, and frankly unprofessional.

Apple Music standard is -16 and Spotify is -14. Both streaming sites will have to lower the levels of this album. Which means it will sound like a Squashed Turd.

No disrespect, but seriously what is the point of these types of posts. I mean we are not audio technicians and boffins and most are music fans wanting to join the music, who cares if a commercially rereleased copy of a 33 year old album does not meet your scientific standards.

.

This type of audile snobbery makes those of us with budget and basic musical systems along with basic knowledge of musical waves or whatever the fuck you call this shit, look like clueless morons. What is the point of this shit?

.

Do you guys actually enjoy music or just analyse with 5000 waves of subamicrons and xugalotles or something. This is like reading medieval cyrillic to someone like me.


Bishop's knowledgable addition to this thread is appreciated more than complaints from people who don't get it.

I mean really, do we need separate threads for audiphiles? No, we have a thread for opinions on the disc, some are good, some are bad, some are mixed. Maybe focusing on the posts from people who have the same perspective as you do is better than complaining about posts from people who don't.

Just sayin'... wink

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We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #71 posted 06/24/17 3:50pm

boozoo2

maceoparker007 said:

james said:

On first listen I noticed a few annoying things, like the end of Let's Go Crazy. But need a few more listens and to compare it to the original again!! Odd that the version of Computer Blue on Disk 2 sounds Soooo much better than the Remastered album version!!


Thats because Joshua Welton remastered Disc 1. Bernie Grundman (who is very experienced sound engineer) remastered disc 2 and 3.


Joshua is facing a lot of criticism from audophiles as it seems he made the songs too loud and cut out a some of the frequencies as a result of his 'remastering' work.

[Edited 6/24/17 13:12pm]

Benrie Grundman is a 73 year old man with dito ears.. and mastered most of P back catalogue in the past.. ughhh

Reply #72 posted 06/24/17 3:54pm

boozoo2

SquirrelMeat said:

You can label the changes all you want, all I hear is a volume and base increase. I did that myself years ago.

please send me youre results

Reply #73 posted 06/24/17 4:08pm

djThunderfunk

Although I'm loving disc 2 and definitely feel I got my money's worth for the set (4 discs for $25.99), I won't be listening to disc 1 again. Too loud, too harsh, no dynamic range... the original CD (EQ'd to my preferences) sounds better than this, and the vinyl & HD tracks versions sound much better, so, count me among those that are glad Josh will have no part in future "remasters".

All that said, I'm not disappointed or surprised. Disc 1 turned out EXACTLY as I expected.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #74 posted 06/24/17 4:11pm

maceoparker007

boozoo2 said:

 



maceoparker007 said:


 



james said:


On first listen I noticed a few annoying things, like the end of Let's Go Crazy. But need a few more listens and to compare it to the original again!! Odd that the version of Computer Blue on Disk 2 sounds Soooo much better than the Remastered album version!!


Thats because Joshua Welton remastered Disc 1. Bernie Grundman (who is very experienced sound engineer) remastered disc 2 and 3.


Joshua is facing a lot of criticism from audophiles as it seems he made the songs too loud and cut out a some of the frequencies as a result of his 'remastering' work.


[Edited 6/24/17 13:12pm]



Benrie Grundman is a 73 year old man with dito ears.. and mastered most of P back catalogue in the past.. ughhh


 



well for a 73yr old he managed to do a better job than a guy who is 27. Judging the twos mastering abilities on this release I would say bernies ears work better than Joshua's! Not bad for an old guy lol

compare computer blue on disc 1 to bernies master on disc 2....clear as night and day which sounds better.
[Edited 6/24/17 16:17pm]
Reply #75 posted 06/24/17 4:20pm

KingSausage

djThunderfunk said:

Although I'm loving disc 2 and definitely feel I got my money's worth for the set (4 discs for $25.99), I won't be listening to disc 1 again. Too loud, too harsh, no dynamic range... the original CD (EQ'd to my preferences) sounds better than this, and the vinyl & HD tracks versions sound much better, so, count me among those that are glad Josh will have no part in future "remasters".

All that said, I'm not disappointed or surprised. Disc 1 turned out EXACTLY as I expected.



I'll never listen to Disc 1 again either.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #76 posted 06/24/17 6:32pm

rogifan

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[Edited 6/24/17 18:36pm]
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #77 posted 06/24/17 6:36pm

rogifan

maceoparker007 said:

 



rogifan said:


KingSausage said:
Bose sucks.

See what I mean? lol Btw, I do have a Bose Soundlink Mini and it definitely doesn't suck. razz


Bose Mini is ok for a small speaker and definetly good enough for playing back average standard mp3 music  lol

Music is all about emotion and half of it you create mind in your mind.....so if you are getting emotionally excited from playing Prince tracks through your Bose mini you go girl  lol

[Edited 6/24/17 14:29pm]


Audio snob. tease
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #78 posted 06/24/17 10:36pm

PeteSilas

airth said:

After normalizing the tracks, I'm not really hearing much - if any - difference. There's nothing to make me think I need to delete my existing tracks. In fact, the slightly harsher sounding end to Let's Go Crazy makes me think I should delete the "remaster".

Actually, I've never really thought Purple Rain needed to be remastered, but I'll spend a bit more time comparing the two.


i downloaded them both side by side, the remaster is definitely louder and fuller, the toms are definitely more defined. I probably wouldn't have noticed had i not listened to them side by side, the songs are the same after all. It wasn't really that disk i wanted, i'm loving the extras. still haven't made my way through, i wished prince had a version of the purple rain piano part in the movie as he does fathers song. I wonder if he composed and changed fathers song substantially.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #79 posted 06/24/17 10:38pm

PeteSilas

ozone14 said:

IMO the 2015 Remaster isn't an improvement. It just sounds louder. The 2nd and 3rd disc sound better. Listen to "Love And Sex", those Linn drums sound great! "God", "Lonely Christmas", "Erotic City", "Possessed" sound great! (only mentioning the 2nd and 3rd disc as a comparison to the 1st in terms of sound quality)

[Edited 6/23/17 7:31am]

it is an improvement, as much as i hate to admit, i still don't think it would have made one iota of difference to the me that first heard it on cassette in 84.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #80 posted 06/24/17 10:46pm

PeteSilas

it's not just louder, i listened to the new and the old side by side, i cranked up the old to imitate the new, it still sounded less detailed in the drums and in the bass, but particularly the toms. if you can't hear the difference in the opening tom fills on take me with you, then you really don't have any ears.

Bishop31 said:

I wanted to see exactly what Joshua did with the "Remaster". So, I uploaded this into my Ableton Software that I use to Mix/Master my own music. If you look at my screenshot above, you will see the difference in the dynamics on the New (Top) and Original (Bottom). You will notice how the New Master is on some parts totally dark, which means it literally has no dynamics. He CRANKED TF out of this album. All he did was RAISE THE VOLUME. So, don't confuse louder with better. The AES Standard, which suggests the Loudness Level Standards for music, their standard is -16. "Lets Go Crazy" was -6.6. That's -10db higher than the AES Standard. That's absolute garbage, and frankly unprofessional.

Apple Music standard is -16 and Spotify is -14. Both streaming sites will have to lower the levels of this album. Which means it will sound like a Squashed Turd.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #81 posted 06/24/17 10:49pm

PeteSilas

Neversin said:

My 1984 cassette sounds better than this shit...
This shit makes me believe a midget with a Linn Drum lives inside of my left ear...

Neversin.

haha

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #82 posted 06/24/17 10:54pm

PeteSilas

Bishop31 said:

SLP said:

I don't even have a degree in anything, but I have ears, which I assume people who master records also have. The hard ending on Let's Go Crazy sounded AWESOME on the original master (hell, even on my old cassette copy), but this version sounds like someone recorded a tornado ripping through a basement. There's just nothing there but noise. Why does this happen? Do people just not care anymore?

I would assume Prince has great ears. Which leads me to believe he didn't care at all about this project. Because, if he heard it, he wouldn't think it sounded very pleasant. That leads me to believe he didn't listen to this at all. He wanted to give this to WB, so he could get his music and be done with them.

how can we know, i'm sure his ears were great at one time but who knows whether he had hearing damage or not. I recall the great Bernie Worrell being hard of hearing when I went to see him. He had to ask several times what someone was saying and whether they were talking to him. just the price of rock and roll.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #83 posted 06/25/17 12:54am

boozoo2

If it wasn't compressed as much as it is it would have been a proper remaster. Not a brilliant one, but nevertheless better than the original. Shame they always need to brickwall releases nowadays with L3 or whatever compressing. But saying it's 'just louder' is simply not true and people saying they 'only' added bass and made it a bit brighter really should explain me what (re)mastering is all about.

So would be nice if there is a copy around before compressing the lot and make this available as HD download. Only talking about CD1 here, the other 2 are just a laugh and need a remaster straight away. Dance Electric (in 24/96KHZ LOL) -mastered at the wrong speed- reminds me of my first AKAI deck playing TDK-D tapes minus tape hiss, although that is probably a bad Vault-master to begin with. Bootleg version i have sounds better even with a few tape dropouts, but that's a slighty different mix.. Wonderfull Ass has on overkill in 2-6KHZ range and Possessed sounds very 1 dimensional. But thank god we can do whatever we prefer nowadays in the digital age.

[Edited 6/25/17 2:30am]

Reply #84 posted 06/25/17 1:26am

Linda1974

rogifan said:

coltrane3 said:

One of my biggest takeaways from this deluxe edition is how great the original album is. Obviously, most of the focus is on Disc 2, which has all of the previously unreleased tracks. But, getting this deluxe set made me listen to Purple Rain from front to back in one listening again; hadn't done that in a while. Wow, what a great album.

I don't have many albums where I listen to the whole thing because every track is amazing. This album would be one of them. Second maybe would be Fleetwood Mac's Rumors.

Same feelings here, Wowed by the hole thing again!

.

@Rogifan I agree, for myself.... I can add Stevie Wonder to that, Songs in The Key of Life.

Forever in My Life....
Reply #85 posted 06/25/17 2:44am

Toofunkyinhere

This remaster was supposedly overseen by the great man himself. If so it would make it the last Prince approved release? That's something special no?
We're here, might as well get into it.
Reply #86 posted 06/25/17 3:23am

james

Crap... deleted my old digital files of PR when I digitised the remaster... now can't find the old CD to reinstall it!! I might actually have to by PR again! Haha

Reply #87 posted 06/25/17 5:47am

zobilamouche

In this or one of the other threads about this remaster, someone mentionned there was a 2008 rerelease that already had some sort of clean up. If so, is there a way to recognise this version in the store as often it just states the original ©date.

Thanks a million

m

The HQ-er formerly known as krokostimpy.
Reply #88 posted 06/25/17 6:27am

eyewishuheaven

Man, you really notice that compression on Darling Nikki - when the band kicks in between each of the verses, it should punch you in the FACE... instead, it's the same level as the verses themselves. And then, adding insult to injury the "ah ah ah" epilogue portion is just as loud as the song itself! It's a damn travesty.

One wonders if WB's trumpeting of "remaster overseen by Prince himself!" was their way of slyly saying, "this is not how we would have done it, but a contract's a contract."

PRINCE: the only man who could wear high heels and makeup and STILL steal your woman!
Reply #89 posted 06/25/17 6:46am

KingSausage

I've read some more positive feedback on the vinyl on another site. I'd like to get some people's opinions here. Does anyone have the new vinyl? How does it compare to the original or the 2009 (?) reissue?
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #90 posted 06/25/17 7:11am

Scooch87

I am in no way disagreeing with anyone's comments here... just simply stating my own opinion.

As a fan of 36 years I have great memories of buying Purple Rain the day it was released (33 years ago today, I believe). So it's cool to see some hype around Purple Rain again. It may not be my personal Prince favorite, but there is no denying that this is one hell of an amazing album. Rarely can an album be so innovative and yet crossover like Purple Rain did - it deserves every ounce of recognition it gets. Obviously, it gained some attention last year when our boy passed away, but beyond that - I feel like it doesn't get mentioned too much so I'm psyched to see it celebrated. I bought this the day it came out and as someone said earlier, for the first time in a while I listened to the album from front to back in one sitting and was blown away all over again. Personally, I like the updated art work and the new photos as well.

I'm not an audiophile but to my ears the remastered album isn't unlistenable. I notice when albums are "too hot" (The Hold Steady's 'Stay Positve' or REM's 'Accelerate' for example), but this remaster doesn't seem to be like those albums - could there be more dynamic range? Probably. Does it sound good when it's on? To me, yes, it does. I do have friends that are audiophiles and I respect and many times agree with what they have to say. I guess I have a certain tolerance level for what I consider unlistenable and this doesn't make it.

To anyone disappointed with how the remaster came out, I'm sorry. Let's hope Prince's cataloge gets the attention is deserves in the near future (I'm thinking it someday will). But let's also be proud of what this album has done, and enjoy the attention it is getting. When I walked into the wrecka stow Friday night there was this huge Purple Rain display... I had to smile when I saw it. Plus when I bought it the 20-something cashier said "Purple Rain! I never heard this album until they played it earlier today and I have to be honest... I think it's actually really good!". So maybe the hype of this particular released recruited some new true funk soldiers?

We're only 14 months into a post-Prince world, so I'm sure more remasters and boxsets will be coming. Ones that will satisfy some of the people who were disappointed with this release smile

Peace everyone -

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Reply #91 posted 06/25/17 7:22am

Bishop31

PeteSilas said:

it's not just louder, i listened to the new and the old side by side, i cranked up the old to imitate the new, it still sounded less detailed in the drums and in the bass, but particularly the toms.  if you can't hear the difference in the opening tom fills on take me with you, then you really don't have any ears.  



Bishop31 said:



 


 


I wanted to see exactly what Joshua did with the "Remaster". So, I uploaded this into my Ableton Software that I use to Mix/Master my own music. If you look at my screenshot above, you will see the difference in the dynamics on the New (Top) and Original (Bottom). You will notice how the New Master is on some parts totally dark, which means it literally has no dynamics. He CRANKED TF out of this album. All he did was RAISE THE VOLUME. So, don't confuse louder with better. The AES Standard, which suggests the Loudness Level Standards for music, their standard is -16. "Lets Go Crazy" was -6.6. That's -10db higher than the AES Standard. That's absolute garbage, and frankly unprofessional.


 


Apple Music standard is -16 and Spotify is -14. Both streaming sites will have to lower the levels of this album. Which means it will sound like a Squashed Turd. 


 


 


 


 



 



I do hear the differences you've mentioned. But, a professional Mastering Engineer has techniques to raise the perceived loudness level without crushing the dynamic range.
Reply #92 posted 06/25/17 7:26am

rogifan

Linda1974 said:

 



rogifan said:


coltrane3 said:

One of my biggest takeaways from this deluxe edition is how great the original album is.   Obviously, most of the focus is on Disc 2, which has all of the previously unreleased tracks.  But, getting this deluxe set made me listen to Purple Rain from front to back in one listening again; hadn't done that in a while.  Wow, what a great album.



I don't have many albums where I listen to the whole thing because every track is amazing. This album would be one of them. Second maybe would be Fleetwood Mac's Rumors.

Same feelings here, Wowed by the hole thing again! 


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@Rogifan I agree, for myself.... I can add Stevie Wonder to that, Songs in The Key of Life. 


Ooh I'll have to go back and revisit that album. I Wish one of my favorite songs.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #93 posted 06/25/17 7:41am

rdhull

I can see it now: Purple Rain, The Bernie Grundman Remaster 2018

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #94 posted 06/25/17 7:48am

purplehippieonthe1

Disc 1 is certainly a mixed bag, sound-wise. I should mention that I'm listening to the album on Spotify - I don't have a physical copy yet.

The distortion in Let's Go Crazy shows that the album was mastered too loud, some tracks like The Beautiful Ones and Computer Blue still sound good with this type of mastering, but others fail during the busier parts.

There is one odd thing going on in the intro of When Doves Cry, at least in the Spotify version. Could someone confirm if it's like this in the CD release? It sounds like some kind of keyboard is in the background in the first two seconds! I have this album on the original CD and vinyl and I've never heard this keyboard behind the intro guitar riff before eek

Reply #95 posted 06/25/17 7:51am

james

Here's a thing I've noticed with the end of Let's Go Crazy... maybe it's not so bad!

If you turn the volume up on the end, on the original CD, it's pretty distorted too but it's more hidden... SO... maybe there wasn't much Prince or Josh could do with that end once they'd made everything more clear and crisp!!? Did they decide to live with the original bad recording??

Reply #96 posted 06/25/17 8:06am

rdhull

purplehippieonthe1 said:

There is one odd thing going on in the intro of When Doves Cry, at least in the Spotify version. Could someone confirm if it's like this in the CD release? It sounds like some kind of keyboard is in the background in the first two seconds! I have this album on the original CD and vinyl and I've never heard this keyboard behind the intro guitar riff before eek

Don't hear it at all on harman/kardo speakers at all. On the PR or the singles cd.

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And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #97 posted 06/25/17 8:08am

radicalrojo

I think The Beautiful Ones really benefited from this remaster. About the only song on the actual album though...

Reply #98 posted 06/25/17 8:13am

purplehippieonthe1

rdhull said:

purplehippieonthe1 said:

There is one odd thing going on in the intro of When Doves Cry, at least in the Spotify version. Could someone confirm if it's like this in the CD release? It sounds like some kind of keyboard is in the background in the first two seconds! I have this album on the original CD and vinyl and I've never heard this keyboard behind the intro guitar riff before eek

Don't hear it at all on harman/kardo spekers at all. On the PR or the singles cd.

The 7 inch version from the Single versions disc sounds normal on Spotify, it's just the album version ,as it is on Spotify at least, that has the weird keyboard stuff.

Reply #99 posted 06/25/17 8:15am

james

radicalrojo said:

I think The Beautiful Ones really benefited from this remaster. About the only song on the actual album though...

I actually really like Take Me With You and Purple Rain... the start of both now sound AMAZING

Reply #100 posted 06/25/17 11:37am

kingricefan

You could always look up the segment of the Oprah show when she interviewed Mayte and Prince and find the part where he plays the opening intro to Purple Rain on the piano for Oprah.

PeteSilas said:

airth said:

After normalizing the tracks, I'm not really hearing much - if any - difference. There's nothing to make me think I need to delete my existing tracks. In fact, the slightly harsher sounding end to Let's Go Crazy makes me think I should delete the "remaster".

Actually, I've never really thought Purple Rain needed to be remastered, but I'll spend a bit more time comparing the two.


i downloaded them both side by side, the remaster is definitely louder and fuller, the toms are definitely more defined. I probably wouldn't have noticed had i not listened to them side by side, the songs are the same after all. It wasn't really that disk i wanted, i'm loving the extras. still haven't made my way through, i wished prince had a version of the purple rain piano part in the movie as he does fathers song. I wonder if he composed and changed fathers song substantially.

Reply #101 posted 06/25/17 1:19pm

TheVaultKeeper

Here's a little quick chart I made.

Reply #102 posted 06/25/17 2:57pm

macaylasdad

so my question is this...if Prince oversaw the remastering of this and delivered it to WB...how didn't anyone know this?

Reply #103 posted 06/25/17 4:14pm

jtfolden

macaylasdad said:

so my question is this...if Prince oversaw the remastering of this and delivered it to WB...how didn't anyone know this?

Know what? That he delivered it? We did.... Prince tweeted about it, saying it was in their hands.

Reply #104 posted 06/25/17 4:23pm

214

I'm glad that i don't understand almost i not anything at all about the discussion,

Reply #105 posted 06/25/17 5:42pm

fortuneandserendipity

Most journo critics think Kanye West's my beautiful dark twisted fantasy is a great album. But for me the album is ruined by its heavy 'loudness wars' production. Those critics must have cloth ears. Maybe Joshua Welton agrees with them though.



Reply #106 posted 06/25/17 5:45pm

fortuneandserendipity

214 said:

I'm glad that i don't understand almost i not anything at all about the discussion,


Just read this! the-loudness-wars-why-sounds-worse


and then play this https://www.youtube.com/w...Gmex_4hreQ



Reply #107 posted 06/25/17 7:00pm

PurpleMouse88

I wasn't too impressed by the loudness of the remastered CD, However I thought the remastered vinyl sounded great. I definitely don't have the greatest turntable in the world, but it sounded top notch to me!

[Edited 6/25/17 19:01pm]

Reply #108 posted 06/25/17 7:58pm

jaawwnn

I have to say, for the purposes of shitty earbuds listening which is 90% of my listening this sounds better.

When it actually comes to sitting down with a proper system I still have the CD and original vinyl so i'm happy enough.

Genuine question, does anyone on here actually think the original album was in need of remastering? Sign o the Times is the only one I can think of that is in serious need. Parade seems split down the middle between those who thinks it's already a dry and perfect sound and those who think it needs more "punchiness".

Reply #109 posted 06/25/17 8:10pm

rdhull

jaawwnn said:

I have to say, for the purposes of shitty earbuds listening which is 90% of my listening this sounds better.

When it actually comes to sitting down with a proper system I still have the CD and original vinyl so i'm happy enough.

Genuine question, does anyone on here actually think the original album was in need of remastering? Sign o the Times is the only one I can think of that is in serious need. Parade seems split down the middle between those who thinks it's already a dry and perfect sound and those who think it needs more "punchiness".

I thought PR was fine as is. Parade too for some reason as well. 1999 though I would like 'remastered' and not just set to louder as the improvement. I was listening to IWBYL from Prince self titled and that release needs it to imho.

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #110 posted 06/25/17 8:29pm

speakeasy

While I've been enjoying the recent stereo remix and remaster of Sgt. Peppers, I can't say the same for 2017 Purple Rain. I started listening to 2017 PR by going back and forth between the original CD master (on Spotify) and the new remaster (on CD). Compensating for volume, I kept finding myself going back to the original master. It's warmer, more dimensional and more pleasing to my ears. For me, the new version sounds brittle, actually harsh to my ears. It also sounds squashed dynamically which really takes from the deep vibe and atmosphere of this music. (Thanks for the pix of the Wav forms so we can see exactly what's going on!) Right now I'm spinning the extended version of Erotic City (which I haven't heard in YEARS). It sounds so warm and pleasing to me in comparison.

I was curious to come to the .org to see the reactions as I know there are a number of folks with ears and audio knowledge on this site. From my own listen, I'm not surprised to see the reaction (and counter-reaction too). Hey--Everybody should listen to the one they like best but the discussion is interesting. If the same person that remastered disc's 2, etc will remaster the rest of the cataloge, that at least gives me some hope. And while we wait for Purple Rain's eventual re-remaster, I'm grateful for the original CD.

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Reply #111 posted 06/25/17 8:36pm

rdhull

speakeasy said:

While I've been enjoying the recent stereo remix and remaster of Sgt. Peppers, I can't say the same for 2017 Purple Rain. I started listening to 2017 PR by going back and forth between the original CD master (on Spotify) and the new remaster (on CD). Compensating for volume, I kept finding myself going back to the original master. It's warmer, more dimensional and more pleasing to my ears. For me, the new version sounds brittle, actually harsh to my ears. It also sounds squashed dynamically which really takes from the deep vibe and atmosphere of this music. (Thanks for the pix of the Wav forms so we can see exactly what's going on!) Right now I'm spinning the extended version of Erotic City (which I haven't heard in YEARS). It sounds so warm and pleasing to me in comparison.

I was curious to come to the .org to see the reactions as I know there are a number of folks with ears and audio knowledge on this site. From my own listen, I'm not surprised to see the reaction (and counter-reaction too). Hey--Everybody should listen to the one they like best but the discussion is interesting. If the same person that remastered disc's 2, etc will remaster the rest of the cataloge, that at least gives me some hope. And while we wait for Purple Rain's eventual re-remaster, I'm grateful for the original CD.

[Edited 6/25/17 20:31pm]

Someone mentioned the ending to let's Go Crzy as a muddled mess. Today I let it play and its thunderous but all muddled at that coda but clears up JUST as he says take me away. Like they turned up the soeakers where Im just playing it normally. Ah buddy....(c) Bill-ay Sparks

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #112 posted 06/25/17 11:08pm

PeteSilas

speakeasy said:

While I've been enjoying the recent stereo remix and remaster of Sgt. Peppers, I can't say the same for 2017 Purple Rain. I started listening to 2017 PR by going back and forth between the original CD master (on Spotify) and the new remaster (on CD). Compensating for volume, I kept finding myself going back to the original master. It's warmer, more dimensional and more pleasing to my ears. For me, the new version sounds brittle, actually harsh to my ears. It also sounds squashed dynamically which really takes from the deep vibe and atmosphere of this music. (Thanks for the pix of the Wav forms so we can see exactly what's going on!) Right now I'm spinning the extended version of Erotic City (which I haven't heard in YEARS). It sounds so warm and pleasing to me in comparison.

I was curious to come to the .org to see the reactions as I know there are a number of folks with ears and audio knowledge on this site. From my own listen, I'm not surprised to see the reaction (and counter-reaction too). Hey--Everybody should listen to the one they like best but the discussion is interesting. If the same person that remastered disc's 2, etc will remaster the rest of the cataloge, that at least gives me some hope. And while we wait for Purple Rain's eventual re-remaster, I'm grateful for the original CD.

[Edited 6/25/17 20:31pm]

it's always kind of amused me how people are impressed,irritated over sound quality. I guess because I usually haven't been that hyped up on it. I still remember some years ago when prince said everything he did was shoddily mixed and I didn't even know what he meant, all I know is that his music spoke to me like few others. I haven't heard the sgt.peppers remixes but i still remember when they first came out on cd and they interviewed paul mccartney about it. I also remember when some reviewers said you could "hear the grain" in elvis' voice in the cd versions of the sun sessions, personally, those things rarely mattered to me personally. I had to admit a year ago though that the version of parade i bought offline was way more bassy than the vinyl/cassette that i was used to hearing.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #113 posted 06/26/17 5:51am

djThunderfunk

PurpleMouse88 said:

I wasn't too impressed by the loudness of the remastered CD, However I thought the remastered vinyl sounded great. I definitely don't have the greatest turntable in the world, but it sounded top notch to me!

[Edited 6/25/17 19:01pm]


Interesting. While complaints of the original master CD are understandable, I have never heard complaints of the original master vinyl. In fact, most agree that it is pretty great, I would say it is the best format/master released of the album thus far. So, this new remaster vinyl... I don't see the point in it.


We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #114 posted 06/26/17 5:54am

KingSausage

djThunderfunk said:

 



PurpleMouse88 said:


I wasn't too impressed by the loudness of the remastered CD, However I thought the remastered vinyl sounded great. I definitely don't have the greatest turntable in the world, but it sounded top notch to me!


[Edited 6/25/17 19:01pm]




Interesting. While complaints of the original master CD are understandable, I have never heard complaints of the original master vinyl. In fact, most agree that it is pretty great, I would say it is the best format/master released of the album thus far. So, this new remaster vinyl... I don't see the point in it.





I'd love to read some comparisons between the original pressing, the Kevin Gray cut from several years ago, and this new remaster on vinyl. I have the KG reissue and really enjoy it.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #115 posted 06/26/17 6:04am

djThunderfunk

KingSausage said:

I'd love to read some comparisons between the original pressing, the Kevin Gray cut from several years ago, and this new remaster on vinyl. I have the KG reissue and really enjoy it.


Do you like it better than the original?

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #116 posted 06/26/17 6:05am

KingSausage

djThunderfunk said:

 



KingSausage said:



 



I'd love to read some comparisons between the original pressing, the Kevin Gray cut from several years ago, and this new remaster on vinyl. I have the KG reissue and really enjoy it.


Do you like it better than the original?



I've never heard an original vinyl pressing. But it smokes the original CD.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #117 posted 06/26/17 6:22am

djThunderfunk

KingSausage said:

djThunderfunk said:


Do you like it better than the original?

I've never heard an original vinyl pressing. But it smokes the original CD.


I have heard both, but never done an A/B test. I do think the vinyl from a few years ago is waaay better than the new CD, though.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #118 posted 06/26/17 7:30am

PurpleSullivan

jaawwnn said:

I have to say, for the purposes of shitty earbuds listening which is 90% of my listening this sounds better.

When it actually comes to sitting down with a proper system I still have the CD and original vinyl so i'm happy enough.

Genuine question, does anyone on here actually think the original album was in need of remastering? Sign o the Times is the only one I can think of that is in serious need. Parade seems split down the middle between those who thinks it's already a dry and perfect sound and those who think it needs more "punchiness".


I always thought the Purple Rain CD was a bit muddy. For songs that are really so textured, so richly detailed, they never really sounded that way, ya know?
Reply #119 posted 06/26/17 12:34pm

PeteSilas

we've become a pitiful lot haven't we? I just thought about how we'd have ripped to shreds the cassette version of 1999 because it was sped up for some reason, probably to make it fit on a certain size tape.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #120 posted 06/26/17 12:47pm

maceoparker007

PeteSilas said:

we've become a pitiful lot haven't we? I just thought about how we'd have ripped to shreds the cassette version of 1999 because it was sped up for some reason, probably to make it fit on a certain size tape.


Not really back then cassette was very advanced and the best people had. Today we have the technology to produce near perfect recordings and enhance the music to make it the best it can be. Why ignore that technology when its widely available to the masses?

Todays digital music is now the equalivent of yesterdays cassette....both are advanced for thier time.

Reply #121 posted 06/26/17 12:50pm

djThunderfunk

PeteSilas said:

we've become a pitiful lot haven't we? I just thought about how we'd have ripped to shreds the cassette version of 1999 because it was sped up for some reason, probably to make it fit on a certain size tape.


Never heard this before and doing a quick little A/B test on a few songs, I don't hear anything "sped up" on the cassette.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #122 posted 06/26/17 1:05pm

PeteSilas

maceoparker007 said:

PeteSilas said:

we've become a pitiful lot haven't we? I just thought about how we'd have ripped to shreds the cassette version of 1999 because it was sped up for some reason, probably to make it fit on a certain size tape.


Not really back then cassette was very advanced and the best people had. Today we have the technology to produce near perfect recordings and enhance the music to make it the best it can be. Why ignore that technology when its widely available to the masses?

Todays digital music is now the equalivent of yesterdays cassette....both are advanced for thier time.

for sound quality vinyl was still better wasn't it?

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #123 posted 06/26/17 1:15pm

PeteSilas

djThunderfunk said:

PeteSilas said:

we've become a pitiful lot haven't we? I just thought about how we'd have ripped to shreds the cassette version of 1999 because it was sped up for some reason, probably to make it fit on a certain size tape.


Never heard this before and doing a quick little A/B test on a few songs, I don't hear anything "sped up" on the cassette.

unless you got a different cassette than i did then the difference should be obvious. Someone else can back me up. It's been 30 some years though, it could have been the other way around, vinyl was sped and cassette was normal, either way, they weren't the same.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #124 posted 06/26/17 2:28pm

TheFreakerFantastic

Now we know why WB were so keen to advertise this as a remaster 'overseen by Prince', it was their way of saying don't blame us! Also by saying this it could be seen to imply that he also selected the vault tracks, which is incorrect, he'd never authorise unfinished songs or the explicit songs on Disc 2 due to his beliefs. It serves their purpose to lead people to think that he did.

That aside, there are parts where there is distortion due to loudness but a lot of the complaints here are about modern music and the loudness wars inherent in new releases.

It would have been unrealistic to expect the release not to have been made louder, that is just how music is released these days to compete for the listener's ear.

Yes it may be wrong but that is just how things are so there's not much point blaming one person.

I mean if you're a newbie given the task to remaster a masterwork by Prince you're not going to say no are you?!

So any ire should be really with P who did this and not Josh who probably did what he could with the knowledge he had.

However, what they should have done is probably get Bernie to remaster this too and then hold a listening session to compare the two to decide which one to use, to preserve his legacy.

Also, really they should have just stuck to the same person/company to remaster for consistency as there are already comments noticing the variations between the Disc 3 edits and extended songs to those of the same tracks on Disc 1!

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Reply #125 posted 06/26/17 2:44pm

Genesia

KingSausage said:

I would feel pretty emotional if I had to play all my music through Bose gear.


lol

I mean if he did have sex he would break every rule Jehova's have regarding premarital sex so Prince is really just friends with them all anyway.
Reply #126 posted 06/26/17 4:28pm

PurpleMouse88

djThunderfunk said:

PurpleMouse88 said:

I wasn't too impressed by the loudness of the remastered CD, However I thought the remastered vinyl sounded great. I definitely don't have the greatest turntable in the world, but it sounded top notch to me!

[Edited 6/25/17 19:01pm]


Interesting. While complaints of the original master CD are understandable, I have never heard complaints of the original master vinyl. In fact, most agree that it is pretty great, I would say it is the best format/master released of the album thus far. So, this new remaster vinyl... I don't see the point in it.


I have the original vinyl too and it does sound great, but I meant between the remastered CD vs the remastered vinyl, I definitely preferred the sound of the vinyl over the CD. For some reason it just didn't sound as harsh to me as the CD. It doesn't necessarily sound better than the original vinyl tho. They both sound nice to me.

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Reply #127 posted 06/26/17 4:56pm

Kobe

destroyed deluxe or deluxe destroyed

And girls, if you wanna to get that lovely tattoo of the sunrise rising out of your ass crack... Gorgeous when you're 20, but when you're 50, it's an octopus chasing a fucking starfish ~ Robin Williams
Reply #128 posted 06/26/17 5:36pm

SchlomoThaHomo

I know I'm supposed to hate this brickwalled by Josh Purple Rain, but I'm kind of loving it. I've noticed lots of little parts I never noticed before. And it all sounds so damn powerful!

banned
"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
Reply #129 posted 06/26/17 5:42pm

KingSausage

SchlomoThaHomo said:

I know I'm supposed to hate this brickwalled by Josh Purple Rain, but I'm kind of loving it. I've noticed lots of little parts I never noticed before. And it all sounds so damn powerful!

banned



I'm afraid we're gonna need your Prince card, sir. It's been nice knowing you. I have faith that Katy Perry and shitty iPhone earbuds will treat you well. lol
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #130 posted 06/26/17 5:54pm

rdhull

SchlomoThaHomo said:

I know I'm supposed to hate this brickwalled by Josh Purple Rain, but I'm kind of loving it. I've noticed lots of little parts I never noticed before. And it all sounds so damn powerful! banned

they comin for you

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #131 posted 06/26/17 6:19pm

214

KingSausage said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:
I know I'm supposed to hate this brickwalled by Josh Purple Rain, but I'm kind of loving it. I've noticed lots of little parts I never noticed before. And it all sounds so damn powerful! banned
I'm afraid we're gonna need your Prince card, sir. It's been nice knowing you. I have faith that Katy Perry and shitty iPhone earbuds will treat you well. lol

lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol Boy has lost his mind take him away.

Reply #132 posted 06/26/17 6:21pm

TheAStarr

rogifan said:

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I am a little scared to continue to read cuz that tweet? Must have had a lot of sbit not even shaxe thrown at it.
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The no promo though really non existant... i think this is maybe is a test... wakt this is WB how smart are they, in a perfect world someone with a brain lets release what we were given and in 6 years release a real REMIX/REMASTER, include a new REMASTER ONLY and THE ORIGINAL MASTER, 5.1, stereo, vider, serious bonus tracks...its called BLURAY and CD anx charge a lot more.
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THINK about that you vet 3 discs and a DVD for 24 dollars...
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Remember when the beatles remastered, its about that much later and now the real set shows. But not the whole things for 24 dollars. I saw the price i knew its.. BS. Lovely packaging though. And Bernie really remastered nicely disc 2. But they waited too long and prince may or may not be as good as the beatles... but the beatles wkll sell anything forever.
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Also look to steve hoffman to do that version of a release i just spoke of. ANYONE who has heard what he did in the format described on the YES editions of Close to the Edgw, and the rest is worth buying even if you dont know who YES is.
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Reply #133 posted 06/26/17 8:58pm

nosajd

cool

Scooch87 said:

I am in no way disagreeing with anyone's comments here... just simply stating my own opinion.

As a fan of 36 years I have great memories of buying Purple Rain the day it was released (33 years ago today, I believe). So it's cool to see some hype around Purple Rain again. It may not be my personal Prince favorite, but there is no denying that this is one hell of an amazing album. Rarely can an album be so innovative and yet crossover like Purple Rain did - it deserves every ounce of recognition it gets. Obviously, it gained some attention last year when our boy passed away, but beyond that - I feel like it doesn't get mentioned too much so I'm psyched to see it celebrated. I bought this the day it came out and as someone said earlier, for the first time in a while I listened to the album from front to back in one sitting and was blown away all over again. Personally, I like the updated art work and the new photos as well.

I'm not an audiophile but to my ears the remastered album isn't unlistenable. I notice when albums are "too hot" (The Hold Steady's 'Stay Positve' or REM's 'Accelerate' for example), but this remaster doesn't seem to be like those albums - could there be more dynamic range? Probably. Does it sound good when it's on? To me, yes, it does. I do have friends that are audiophiles and I respect and many times agree with what they have to say. I guess I have a certain tolerance level for what I consider unlistenable and this doesn't make it.

To anyone disappointed with how the remaster came out, I'm sorry. Let's hope Prince's cataloge gets the attention is deserves in the near future (I'm thinking it someday will). But let's also be proud of what this album has done, and enjoy the attention it is getting. When I walked into the wrecka stow Friday night there was this huge Purple Rain display... I had to smile when I saw it. Plus when I bought it the 20-something cashier said "Purple Rain! I never heard this album until they played it earlier today and I have to be honest... I think it's actually really good!". So maybe the hype of this particular released recruited some new true funk soldiers?

We're only 14 months into a post-Prince world, so I'm sure more remasters and boxsets will be coming. Ones that will satisfy some of the people who were disappointed with this release smile

Peace everyone -

[Edited 6/25/17 7:12am]

Reply #134 posted 06/26/17 10:25pm

SchlomoThaHomo

KingSausage said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

I know I'm supposed to hate this brickwalled by Josh Purple Rain, but I'm kind of loving it. I've noticed lots of little parts I never noticed before. And it all sounds so damn powerful!

banned



I'm afraid we're gonna need your Prince card, sir. It's been nice knowing you. I have faith that Katy Perry and shitty iPhone earbuds will treat you well. lol


lol

You ain't takin shit!! And fuck Katy Perry!
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Reply #135 posted 06/27/17 4:03am

dodger

SchlomoThaHomo said:

I know I'm supposed to hate this brickwalled by Josh Purple Rain, but I'm kind of loving it. I've noticed lots of little parts I never noticed before. And it all sounds so damn powerful! banned

Same for me but I'm no audiphile. Blasting The Beautiful Ones in my car this morning it sounds awesome.

.

I almost wish Josh had threw some lasers and stutters somewhere in the mix just to see the reaction on here blowup

Reply #136 posted 06/27/17 4:30am

honer

This is why remasters are bollocks, nothing wrong with the original in the first place and no frigger is happy when they do it!

3121
Reply #137 posted 06/27/17 4:48am

KingSausage

SchlomoThaHomo said:

KingSausage said:




I'm afraid we're gonna need your Prince card, sir. It's been nice knowing you. I have faith that Katy Perry and shitty iPhone earbuds will treat you well. lol


lol

You ain't takin shit!! And fuck Katy Perry!



As you wish. wink
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Reply #138 posted 06/27/17 4:49am

KingSausage

dodger said:

 



SchlomoThaHomo said:


I know I'm supposed to hate this brickwalled by Josh Purple Rain, but I'm kind of loving it. I've noticed lots of little parts I never noticed before. And it all sounds so damn powerful! banned

Same for me but I'm no audiphile. Blasting The Beautiful Ones in my car this morning it sounds awesome.


.


I almost wish Josh had threw some lasers and stutters somewhere in the mix just to see the reaction on here blowup




LOL. I would never stop complaining if that happened. I would probably just melt like one of those Nazis opening the Ark.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
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Reply #139 posted 06/27/17 6:10am

dodger

KingSausage said:

dodger said:

Same for me but I'm no audiphile. Blasting The Beautiful Ones in my car this morning it sounds awesome.

.

I almost wish Josh had threw some lasers and stutters somewhere in the mix just to see the reaction on here blowup

LOL. I would never stop complaining if that happened. I would probably just melt like one of those Nazis opening the Ark.

lol

Reply #140 posted 06/27/17 8:33am

eyewishuheaven

KingSausage said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:
lol You ain't takin shit!! And fuck Katy Perry!
As you wish. wink


falloff

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Reply #141 posted 06/27/17 8:45am

paisleypark4

Prince did the same thing with Crystal Ball and honestly...I loved how tunred up those songs were

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Reply #142 posted 06/27/17 8:53am

sonshine

I'm no audiophile with top notch equipment. The 2017 remaster is quite listenable but nothing about it blew me awsy. After reading all the comments i'm glad i still have my originsl vinyl and cd copies of PR. Now i've got the remaster on CD as well. I could have lived without it but glad to do my part to support his music.
PR is such a treasure. As close to brilliant and perfect as it gets imo. I've enjoyed listening to it agsin as a whole from start to finish. Which i've done several times now since last fridsy. I'm always a bit disappointed when its over.
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Reply #143 posted 06/27/17 11:28am

TheFreakerFantastic

paisleypark4 said:

Prince did the same thing with Crystal Ball and honestly...I loved how tunred up those songs were

The quality of the tracks on that set were excellent despite tbe differing ages of the tracks, so someone knew what they were doing.

[Edited 6/27/17 11:28am]

Reply #144 posted 06/27/17 11:29am

imago

It sounds better to me.
The guitar on Darlin Nikki is easier for me to pick outm and the girls backing vocals sound more clear to me.

Albeit, I'm not sure what could or should have been done to PR orher than fill out the sound some more.

I'm really kinda waiting on an SOTT remaster, honestly.
Reply #145 posted 06/27/17 1:04pm

thx185

PeteSilas said:

djThunderfunk said:


Never heard this before and doing a quick little A/B test on a few songs, I don't hear anything "sped up" on the cassette.

unless you got a different cassette than i did then the difference should be obvious. Someone else can back me up. It's been 30 some years though, it could have been the other way around, vinyl was sped and cassette was normal, either way, they weren't the same.

It might just be your tape player(s) that are playing it faster. I think it's pretty common to find some variation in playback speeds.

"..free to change your mind"
Reply #146 posted 06/27/17 1:30pm

PeteSilas

thx185 said:

PeteSilas said:

unless you got a different cassette than i did then the difference should be obvious. Someone else can back me up. It's been 30 some years though, it could have been the other way around, vinyl was sped and cassette was normal, either way, they weren't the same.

It might just be your tape player(s) that are playing it faster. I think it's pretty common to find some variation in playback speeds.

ya, but i've had several tapes over the years, i didn't buy music in 82 so i listened to my parent's i bought vinyl and cassette later and probably still have the tapes of my mine and my mom's. someone on here will verify if it means enough to them. I'm positive it was a widespread thing. In those days people weren't so whiny about sound quality though.

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Reply #147 posted 06/27/17 1:44pm

PurpleMedley122

TheFreakerFantastic said:

paisleypark4 said:

Prince did the same thing with Crystal Ball and honestly...I loved how tunred up those songs were

The quality of the tracks on that set were excellent despite tbe differing ages of the tracks, so someone knew what they were doing.

[Edited 6/27/17 11:28am]

Crystal Ball was mastered by Brian Gardener at Bernie Grudmann Mastering, in other words, a professional who knows what he's doing. cool

Reply #148 posted 06/27/17 1:58pm

djThunderfunk

thx185 said:

PeteSilas said:

unless you got a different cassette than i did then the difference should be obvious. Someone else can back me up. It's been 30 some years though, it could have been the other way around, vinyl was sped and cassette was normal, either way, they weren't the same.

It might just be your tape player(s) that are playing it faster. I think it's pretty common to find some variation in playback speeds.


I have 1999 on vinyl, cass, CD & 180gm vinyl. I did an A/B(/C/D) test on a couple songs and noticed no speed differences. Wondering if Pete experienced a song sped up or the whole album?

Interestingly, being a double album, it would not be unusual for cassettes of this album to drag, and play slow, on some players. I would think if the deck was playing too fast it would be noticed on all albums, not just 1999.

hmmm

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Reply #149 posted 06/27/17 2:26pm

eyewishuheaven

What I'm trying to understand is, why did Prince want to remaster PR himself (with Josh)? It doesn't seem like something that would interest him. And here WB and Bernie were obviously ready to go, I'm sure they said, "let us take care of it!", but no - Prince wanted to remaster it at the park. Why?

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Reply #150 posted 06/27/17 2:42pm

PeteSilas

djThunderfunk said:

thx185 said:

It might just be your tape player(s) that are playing it faster. I think it's pretty common to find some variation in playback speeds.


I have 1999 on vinyl, cass, CD & 180gm vinyl. I did an A/B(/C/D) test on a couple songs and noticed no speed differences. Wondering if Pete experienced a song sped up or the whole album?

Interestingly, being a double album, it would not be unusual for cassettes of this album to drag, and play slow, on some players. I would think if the deck was playing too fast it would be noticed on all albums, not just 1999.

hmmm

someone should know, i remember a thread about it years ago, but i can't find it. I still have my cassettes too and they played the same whether on stereo or on walkman, i'm pretty sure the cassette was sped up slightly to fit on one tape, the album was a double one so there was no need. Anyway, not that important, just bringing it up to mention how irate we would have been at the time. Or even about the demo quality on his 2 and 3 albums, we'd tear it apart.

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Reply #151 posted 06/27/17 3:03pm

thx185

PeteSilas said:

djThunderfunk said:


I have 1999 on vinyl, cass, CD & 180gm vinyl. I did an A/B(/C/D) test on a couple songs and noticed no speed differences. Wondering if Pete experienced a song sped up or the whole album?

Interestingly, being a double album, it would not be unusual for cassettes of this album to drag, and play slow, on some players. I would think if the deck was playing too fast it would be noticed on all albums, not just 1999.

hmmm

someone should know, i remember a thread about it years ago, but i can't find it. I still have my cassettes too and they played the same whether on stereo or on walkman, i'm pretty sure the cassette was sped up slightly to fit on one tape, the album was a double one so there was no need. [snip]

One more tangent thought - as a teen in the 80s sometimes my walkman & even car tape deck seemed to play things slower at times. Certain songs would sound slower than usual. It never occurred to me at the time, but looking back I wonder if changing battery strength in the walkman could cause that - and in the car, comparable electrical system variation. Sometimes it seemed like the louder I played it, the slower it went. smile

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Reply #152 posted 06/27/17 6:37pm

macaylasdad

jtfolden said:

macaylasdad said:

so my question is this...if Prince oversaw the remastering of this and delivered it to WB...how didn't anyone know this?

Know what? That he delivered it? We did.... Prince tweeted about it, saying it was in their hands.

with the poor sound quality....

Reply #153 posted 06/28/17 12:16am

TheAStarr

SchlomoThaHomo said:

KingSausage said:




I'm afraid we're gonna need your Prince card, sir. It's been nice knowing you. I have faith that Katy Perry and shitty iPhone earbuds will treat you well. lol


lol

You ain't takin shit!! And fuck Katy Perry!

..
I will fuck Katy Perry. You don't nees to tell me twice. As for this one give THE Prince card back.... whats that Candy? That's but we need to check the passport? Remove the shoes?.
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Rxtreme vetting. Youve been randomly selected to be searched. the good old days. Warm it up Greg. LAWD
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Reply #154 posted 06/28/17 1:07am

BartVanHemelen

I see some fans are pointing to Prince delivering an atrocious "remaster" to WBR as a "fuck you" of sorts. These fans are wrong, it is a fuck you to his fans. Because WBR could now release this turd as new product and rake in the money, while any blame for its abysmal sound can be rightfully blamed on Prince.

.

Much like Prince delivering sub-par "contractually obligated" albums like C&D and TV:OF4S is merely hurting his own career and his standing among (sane) fans.

.

Just imagine how petty or vindictive someone must be to deliberately release half-assed rubbish as some kind of "punishment" to his label. And the mental gymnastics some famz apply to chalk this up as a "win"...

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Reply #155 posted 06/28/17 1:13am

BartVanHemelen

honer said:

This is why remasters are bollocks, nothing wrong with the original in the first place and no frigger is happy when they do it!

.

Spoken as someone who's never heard a proper one.

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Reply #156 posted 06/28/17 1:15am

BartVanHemelen

PurpleMedley122 said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

The quality of the tracks on that set were excellent despite tbe differing ages of the tracks, so someone knew what they were doing.

[Edited 6/27/17 11:28am]

Crystal Ball was mastered by Brian Gardener at Bernie Grudmann Mastering, in other words, a professional who knows what he's doing. cool

.

CB was already brickwalled to hell before it reached the mastering stage.

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Reply #157 posted 06/28/17 3:06am

darkroman

BartVanHemelen said:

I see some fans are pointing to Prince delivering an atrocious "remaster" to WBR as a "fuck you" of sorts. These fans are wrong, it is a fuck you to his fans. Because WBR could now release this turd as new product and rake in the money, while any blame for its abysmal sound can be rightfully blamed on Prince.

.

Much like Prince delivering sub-par "contractually obligated" albums like C&D and TV:OF4S is merely hurting his own career and his standing among (sane) fans.

.

Just imagine how petty or vindictive someone must be to deliberately release half-assed rubbish as some kind of "punishment" to his label. And the mental gymnastics some famz apply to chalk this up as a "win"...


That is very interesting indeed!

In my line of work I would never accept anything considered substandard - I would push it back.

I suppose WB are equally to blame as they have accepted the work and published it.

If this was the first round of The Apprentice, I doubt Prince nor WB would make it to round two!!


lol lol

Reply #158 posted 06/28/17 4:05am

BartVanHemelen

darkroman said:

In my line of work I would never accept anything considered substandard - I would push it back.

I suppose WB are equally to blame as they have accepted the work and published it.

.

WBR have got nothing to lose by releasing those inferior works: "Prince wanted it this way." They've already got what they wanted: full control over the most lucrative parts of his back catalogue for years to come.

.

Imagine the ruckus if they'd said "we're not releasing PR Remastered because Prince did a shit job". Or if they'd held back C&D and TV:OF4S. Or if they hadn't pressed on with TH/TBS. Or Ultimate.

.

It's not like they could expect Prince to collaborate with them.

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Reply #159 posted 06/28/17 4:48am

darkroman

BartVanHemelen said:

darkroman said:

In my line of work I would never accept anything considered substandard - I would push it back.

I suppose WB are equally to blame as they have accepted the work and published it.

.

WBR have got nothing to lose by releasing those inferior works: "Prince wanted it this way." They've already got what they wanted: full control over the most lucrative parts of his back catalogue for years to come.

.

Imagine the ruckus if they'd said "we're not releasing PR Remastered because Prince did a shit job". Or if they'd held back C&D and TV:OF4S. Or if they hadn't pressed on with TH/TBS. Or Ultimate.

.

It's not like they could expect Prince to collaborate with them.



Yes for sure!!

It's sad the partnership didn't end up being one of respect and collaboration - then everyone wins.

Oh well sad

Reply #160 posted 06/28/17 6:25am

honer

BartVanHemelen said:

honer said:

This is why remasters are bollocks, nothing wrong with the original in the first place and no frigger is happy when they do it!

.

Spoken as someone who's never heard a proper one.

I want to hear the original one not the one they could of made if they've of had access to todays technology at the time.

And I have heard a proper one, don't assume things

3121
Reply #161 posted 06/28/17 7:40am

TheFreakerFantastic

PurpleMedley122 said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

The quality of the tracks on that set were excellent despite tbe differing ages of the tracks, so someone knew what they were doing.

[Edited 6/27/17 11:28am]

Crystal Ball was mastered by Brian Gardener at Bernie Grudmann Mastering, in other words, a professional who knows what he's doing. cool

That explains it, they should book him out for 6/12 months to complete the rest then!

Reply #162 posted 06/28/17 7:52am

BartVanHemelen

honer said:

BartVanHemelen said:

.

Spoken as someone who's never heard a proper one.

I want to hear the original one not the one they could of made if they've of had access to todays technology at the time.

.

Stop making stuff up. You obviously don't know what a remaster is.

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Reply #163 posted 06/28/17 9:39am

7salles

I think that Prince had a impaired ear after all this time playing loud music on a daily basis. I am sure the mastering sounded fine to him. I liked the master because i heard some sounds i had never noticed before, but it does have lots of sonic flaws.

[Edited 6/28/17 13:06pm]

Reply #164 posted 06/28/17 11:52am

TheAStarr

BartVanHemelen said:

I see some fans are pointing to Prince delivering an atrocious "remaster" to WBR as a "fuck you" of sorts. These fans are wrong, it is a fuck you to his fans. Because WBR could now release this turd as new product and rake in the money, while any blame for its abysmal sound can be rightfully blamed on Prince.


.


Much like Prince delivering sub-par "contractually obligated" albums like C&D and TV:OF4S is merely hurting his own career and his standing among (sane) fans.


.


Just imagine how petty or vindictive someone must be to deliberately release half-assed rubbish as some kind of "punishment" to his label. And the mental gymnastics some famz apply to chalk this up as a "win"...


.. I am not sure I agree or disagree with the fuck the fans necessarily, but by proxy for the fans who feel fucked I can see neing so like ALRIGHT eith the Purple Rain YOU ENGINEER THAT IS HERE do whatever it is you do and i dont know turn it up change the eq a bit... then he listens to it and Prince says. YUP sounds like Purple Rain to me, send it to WBR get my MF masters (money into the cuss jar) and whether whether it was a fuck WBR I am not sure. PURPLE RAIN IS his masterpiece that he would always be most proud pf byt imagine how many motherfucking times he has heard it.. playing it live is different, there are phases where you think ok lets go crazy uh somebody scream, and other nights pr periods you could be stoked. The song Purple Rain on most tours ranged from like seriously 3 min and 23 min the next night.
..
BUT just imagine how many fucking times he has heard the record. WHICH IS WHY it is a really bad idea to do it yourself... its burned in yiur brain and the OCD youll play with it until it is some beautiful disaster which would somehow be amazing becsuse it is PRINCE but no PRINCE
DONT and he did it but dont then go I will hand my 30 year old mastpiece to HITNRUN who is in house optimizing shit for streaming services. Maybe Prince thought more sales as it would if it sounded more like things do now and appeal to more people. No, I dont know. Bizarre is all i got.

(Any MUSICIANS and you too MANAGERS that could be involved with remastering ANYTHING from your catalog, Your only imvolvement is to decide what you want an old skool straight up remaster, a remix/remaster in addition, just stero, 5.1 also and i guess ehat yiu call the vibe. You decided? Great!
Now HAND YOUR MASTERS TO GRUNDMAN OR HOFFMAN and BACK0l AWAY very slowly. Its gomma be ok. you have done yoir job. look for never befpre seen pictures or something)
[Edited 6/28/17 12:50pm]
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Reply #165 posted 06/28/17 12:47pm

TheAStarr

BartVanHemelen said:

I see some fans are pointing to Prince delivering an atrocious "remaster" to WBR as a "fuck you" of sorts. These fans are wrong, it is a fuck you to his fans. Because WBR could now release this turd as new product and rake in the money, while any blame for its abysmal sound can be rightfully blamed on Prince.


.


Much like Prince delivering sub-par "contractually obligated" albums like C&D and TV:OF4S is merely hurting his own career and his standing among (sane) fans.


.


Just imagine how petty or vindictive someone must be to deliberately release half-assed rubbish as some kind of "punishment" to his label. And the mental gymnastics some famz apply to chalk this up as a "win"...


.
Other than there are other versions of songs the old skool bootleg buyers or oh my, TRH (can we get that goimg again, or isit?), but other than knowing songs and lyrics years before The Vault: Old Friends 4 Sale, throw sway changes made snd what you hoped for and that album is NOT a shit ton of contractual obligation... I WILL GIVE YOU A RECORD DEAL AND THEN FIGHT WITH YOU AND I WILL HAPPILY ACCEPT THAT ALBUM TO EXIT YOUR CONTRACT.
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Honestly, Chaos and Disorder there are a few songs that make it to the playlist (actually and not just for political reasons but in combination with my head just will pop a "Chaos and disorder.. ruling my world my today" dont sing it even just kinda apoken as one would when you are also doing that wtf prince head shake/smirk. That was your TMI for the day.
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But i went as a teenager somewhere between id guess 13 and 15 to buy VAN HALENS GREATEST HITS Volume 1 (its a volume.. dont worry more hits are on the way?)
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But I get there and i am really unsure if i even liked prince and if so, how much and what..may mh uncle had the symbol album or gold? Who knows. i waa there for van halen but right next to it waa TV:OF4S and that odd picture on the cover. I must have stood there for 20 min. All thede van halen hits I knew plus ph that new song with david lee roth, but i kept looking at prince. I knew nothing anlbput this, i would havr seen a video or somthing... my gut said BUY THE PRINCE...i gave in and did and thank GOD.
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Personally I love that funky jazzy album. I am always amazed how people this many years later i resurface and it still gets trashed. Sorry i got OT but its not because the album was the first Prince I bought..
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Why do people HATE on Old friends 4 Sale, its smooth jazzy funky goodness.
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(Sorry i dont want to veer i just had to respond)
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..trh🙃
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Reply #166 posted 06/28/17 12:56pm

PeteSilas

7salles said:

I this that Prince had a impaired ear after all this time playing loud music on a daily basis. I am sure the mastering sounded fine to him. I liked the master because i heard some sounds i had never noticed before, but it does have lots of sonic flaws.

that's what i wondered, it's actually just an occupational hazard in that business, hell, i probably incurred damage from just going to two of his concerts. Lots of folks in the business are deaf.

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Reply #167 posted 06/28/17 6:09pm

electricberet

I haven't posted on here for a while but had to chime in on this. I predicted years ago that when remasters finally arrived, people would be disappointed and the much-maligned original CDs would be regarded as better. I see this has come to pass.

In any case, I hope this sells a zillion copies and persuades Warner to release more stuff for Prince fans.
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Reply #168 posted 06/28/17 7:19pm

luvsexy4all

dr funk says there is a bernie g remaster for Rhino from 2011 ........is this out there?????

Reply #169 posted 06/29/17 12:53am

BartVanHemelen

luvsexy4all said:

dr funk says there is a bernie g remaster for Rhino from 2011 ........is this out there?????

.

How 'bout Googling?

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Reply #170 posted 06/29/17 1:31am

imago

BartVanHemelen said:

 



luvsexy4all said:


dr funk says there is a bernie g remaster for Rhino from 2011 .....is this out there?????



.


How 'bout Googling?


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Reply #171 posted 06/29/17 1:32am

PeteSilas

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/albumreviews/review-princes-purple-rain-deluxe-edition-reissues-w489147

rs gave it five stars, i'm gonna check amazon now and see if they are as pissed as you guys are.

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Reply #172 posted 06/29/17 1:41am

PeteSilas

here's amazon, generally, it's well rated but it's hard to know how serious the fanship is on there:https://www.amazon.com/Purple-Rain-Deluxe-Expanded-1DVD/product-reviews/B0718ZCS6B/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_paging_btm_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=CXXZZT3TAXCD7YM2047H&pageNumber=2

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Reply #173 posted 06/29/17 6:42am

james

BartVanHemelen said:

luvsexy4all said:

dr funk says there is a bernie g remaster for Rhino from 2011 ........is this out there?????

.

How 'bout Googling?

Just tried to Google this and can't find any information.

Discogs mentions a 2013 FLAC release from Rhino... Is that it? Is that actually available anywhere?

Reply #174 posted 06/29/17 7:19am

honer

BartVanHemelen said:

honer said:

I want to hear the original one not the one they could of made if they've of had access to todays technology at the time.

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Stop making stuff up. You obviously don't know what a remaster is.

rolleyes

[Edited 6/29/17 11:11am]

3121
Reply #175 posted 06/29/17 2:23pm

intha916

This 6 page bitch-fest about the sound reminded me why I stopped coming here to talk Prince music. Fan since Soft & Wet and couldn't be happier with this release. Sure I can hear some things I would have done differenlty been it's not nearly enough to go on and on like some of yall are doing.. I'd rather spend my time talking about the music and songs themselves.

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Reply #176 posted 06/29/17 4:53pm

jdcxc

BartVanHemelen said:

 



darkroman said:


 


In my line of work I would never accept anything considered substandard - I would push it back.

I suppose WB are equally to blame as they have accepted the work and published it.



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WBR have got nothing to lose by releasing those inferior works: "Prince wanted it this way." They've already got what they wanted: full control over the most lucrative parts of his back catalogue for years to come.


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Imagine the ruckus if they'd said "we're not releasing PR Remastered because Prince did a shit job". Or if they'd held back C&D and TV:OF4S. Or if they hadn't pressed on with TH/TBS. Or Ultimate.


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It's not like they could expect Prince to collaborate with them.



You find any way to give WBR an excuse and have been kissing their ass for 25 years.

Put aside the enhanced PR, there is no excuse for the "vault" album to have the level of errors, weird choices, omissions and general shoddiness. This is a multi-national corporation that will make millions off Prince and us forever. They allowed their disdain for Prince to creep into the completion of this project.

Hopefully a lot of loud voices will embarrass them into a proper SOTT remaster.

And if they don't will you still blame Prince?
Reply #177 posted 06/29/17 5:29pm

PeteSilas

for my money, nothing was wrong with the first version of purple rain, cassette, vinyl, whatever. I bought the deluxe for the extras and they are worth it for the prince. edit (freudian slip, i meant Price, not Prince, but same difference).

[Edited 6/29/17 18:25pm]

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #178 posted 06/29/17 6:11pm

luvsexy4all

see this thread:

http://prince.org/msg/3/444136

Reply #179 posted 06/30/17 1:47am

BartVanHemelen

jdcxc said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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WBR have got nothing to lose by releasing those inferior works: "Prince wanted it this way." They've already got what they wanted: full control over the most lucrative parts of his back catalogue for years to come.

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Imagine the ruckus if they'd said "we're not releasing PR Remastered because Prince did a shit job". Or if they'd held back C&D and TV:OF4S. Or if they hadn't pressed on with TH/TBS. Or Ultimate.

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It's not like they could expect Prince to collaborate with them.

You find any way to give WBR an excuse and have been kissing their ass for 25 years.

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I haven't, they've done plenty wrong.

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Put aside the enhanced PR, there is no excuse for the "vault" album to have the level of errors, weird choices, omissions and general shoddiness.

.

Yes there is: for instance the sorry state the estate is in, or the apparent utter mess Prince's vault is in, etc. Prince had 20 years to collaborate with them to deliver a great package, and instead he sabotaged them after signing a deal in 2014 and delivered a rubbish remaster.

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Blaming this solely on one company is ridiculous: in the end there's only so much they can do. That said, they've not done themselves any favors here and missed a ton of opportunities.

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This is a multi-national corporation that will make millions off Prince and us forever. They allowed their disdain for Prince to creep into the completion of this project. Hopefully a lot of loud voices will embarrass them into a proper SOTT remaster. And if they don't will you still blame Prince?

.

Without proper cooperation from the estate and without decent budgets to work with (and those are likely dependent on the success of PR Deluxe), I fear it will be disappointment all the way.

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But this thread is solely about disc one, and quite frankly Warners can only work with what Prince gave them.

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This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties, and confers no rights.
It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
your use. All rights reserved.
Reply #180 posted 06/30/17 5:10am

jdcxc

BartVanHemelen said:

 



jdcxc said:


BartVanHemelen said:

 


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WBR have got nothing to lose by releasing those inferior works: "Prince wanted it this way." They've already got what they wanted: full control over the most lucrative parts of his back catalogue for years to come.


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Imagine the ruckus if they'd said "we're not releasing PR Remastered because Prince did a shit job". Or if they'd held back C&D and TV:OF4S. Or if they hadn't pressed on with TH/TBS. Or Ultimate.


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It's not like they could expect Prince to collaborate with them.




You find any way to give WBR an excuse and have been kissing their ass for 25 years.

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I haven't, they've done plenty wrong.


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Put aside the enhanced PR, there is no excuse for the "vault" album to have the level of errors, weird choices, omissions and general shoddiness.

.


Yes there is: for instance the sorry state the estate is in, or the apparent utter mess Prince's vault is in, etc. Prince had 20 years to collaborate with them to deliver a great package, and instead he sabotaged them after signing a deal in 2014 and delivered a rubbish remaster.


.


Blaming this solely on one company is ridiculous: in the end there's only so much they can do. That said, they've not done themselves any favors here and missed a ton of opportunities.


.


This is a multi-national corporation that will make millions off Prince and us forever. They allowed their disdain for Prince to creep into the completion of this project. Hopefully a lot of loud voices will embarrass them into a proper SOTT remaster. And if they don't will you still blame Prince?

.


Without proper cooperation from the estate and without decent budgets to work with (and those are likely dependent on the success of PR Deluxe), I fear it will be disappointment all the way.


.


But this thread is solely about disc one, and quite frankly Warners can only work with what Prince gave them.



Some good points. Prince's utter disregard for nostalgia, total need for control and failure to manage his long term catalog security are obvious obstacles. But a strong commitment by a smart, Prince-knowledgeable unified team, who think long term about his future output, can get the job done. There are so many people out there that can get this right. Someone like you. And with all the vault problems, there has never been another artist of Prince's stature with this much unheard quality material.

And I don't understand the last two WB releases that are vulturing previous and future releases. During the last year, the public has snapped up millions of Purple Rain albums, songs, dvds. Why go to that trough again so soon?
Reply #181 posted 06/30/17 2:14pm

BanishedBrian

The brickwalling is disappointing, but not surprising.

No Candy 4 Me
Reply #182 posted 06/30/17 3:54pm

delirious

intha916 said:

This 6 page bitch-fest about the sound reminded me why I stopped coming here to talk Prince music. Fan since Soft & Wet and couldn't be happier with this release. Sure I can hear some things I would have done differenlty been it's not nearly enough to go on and on like some of yall are doing.. I'd rather spend my time talking about the music and songs themselves.

co-sign this.

Reply #183 posted 06/30/17 3:56pm

Kobe

I bought 2017 LP today and it sounds really great... WB should release this as 5 or 6 LP boxset as the deluxe on vinyl. Maybe I should change the accroym CD to something else as in.......

[Edited 6/30/17 15:56pm]

And girls, if you wanna to get that lovely tattoo of the sunrise rising out of your ass crack... Gorgeous when you're 20, but when you're 50, it's an octopus chasing a fucking starfish ~ Robin Williams
Reply #184 posted 06/30/17 4:39pm

PeteSilas

ya, it's not that bad, i'm not picky though, the earlier versions were still some of the all time great albums

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #185 posted 07/01/17 5:03am

KingSausage

delirious said:

 



intha916 said:


This 6 page bitch-fest about the sound reminded me why I stopped coming here to talk Prince music. Fan since Soft & Wet and couldn't be happier with this release. Sure I can hear some things I would have done differenlty been it's not nearly enough to go on and on like some of yall are doing.. I'd rather spend my time talking about the music and songs themselves.



 


co-sign this.




Oh, please x2. One of the greatest albums ever gets a completely brickwalled remaster after we've waiting for it for years, and six pages of discussion is just "bitching"? What the fuck is this site for if not discussion? Oh, just discussion that makes you feel happy because you agree with it?
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #186 posted 07/01/17 10:33am

rdhull

KingSausage said:

delirious said:

 



intha916 said:


This 6 page bitch-fest about the sound reminded me why I stopped coming here to talk Prince music. Fan since Soft & Wet and couldn't be happier with this release. Sure I can hear some things I would have done differenlty been it's not nearly enough to go on and on like some of yall are doing.. I'd rather spend my time talking about the music and songs themselves.



 


co-sign this.




Oh, please x2. One of the greatest albums ever gets a completely brickwalled remaster after we've waiting for it for years, and six pages of discussion is just "bitching"? What the fuck is this site for if not discussion? Oh, just discussion that makes you feel happy because you agree with it?


But a certain lot of y'all have only bitched for years no matter what it was.
And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #187 posted 07/01/17 12:30pm

KingSausage

rdhull said:

KingSausage said:




Oh, please x2. One of the greatest albums ever gets a completely brickwalled remaster after we've waiting for it for years, and six pages of discussion is just "bitching"? What the fuck is this site for if not discussion? Oh, just discussion that makes you feel happy because you agree with it?


But a certain lot of y'all have only bitched for years no matter what it was.



I can think of only a small number of people who've done nothing but bitch on here for years. Hell, I've praised AOA and started threads about how much I like Rave. Even Bart started a thread about some new soundboard leaks and had positive things to say about one of the shows.

Sure, this site can be more negative and nasty than other discussion sites. But that's partially a reaction to people (not you) who only want to hear positive things about Prince and have some disturbing fan worship shit going on.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #188 posted 07/01/17 1:16pm

rdhull

KingSausage said:

rdhull said:
But a certain lot of y'all have only bitched for years no matter what it was.
I can think of only a small number of people who've done nothing but bitch on here for years. Hell, I've praised AOA and started threads about how much I like Rave. Even Bart started a thread about some new soundboard leaks and had positive things to say about one of the shows. Sure, this site can be more negative and nasty than other discussion sites. But that's partially a reaction to people (not you) who only want to hear positive things about Prince and have some disturbing fan worship shit going on.

I feel you but lemme tell ya..the org has always been this way. Its because other sites and newsgroups (amp, HQ etc) have closed and lost luster that those denizens have come to the only purple place left standing. We freaks (asskissing ones, dorks, non audiphiles etc etc etc) were here first. The disdain the above it all ones have for the others is bs and they can either go back to their dilapidated web places of yore or stfu about those who are okay with things and state that.

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #189 posted 07/01/17 2:06pm

TheAStarr

I do not know what is going up in here. Im gone for lile two days and even the post above. You people can be, freaks, audiophiles or who gives a shit about 'who was here first'? WHAT?!
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This is not me getting into that. But if all that vibe I felt just came literally from me seeing only the previous post (ams the post being replied to) on my way to making my own post, I feel compelled to just say this is not grade school. If this is you sbould not know this music... PARENTAL ADVISORY you know. 😃
..
Discuss the fuck out of how much the brickwall is or is not a piece of shit. really I think it is exactly whats on the vinyl, and it does not look At ALL like previous masters waveforms and its brick walled... for a vinyl but that means there at least jagged edges, its got room to breathe and it sounds pretty damn good. Much more like it should. Gotta listen more but- its better than CD1. Like om CF1 can we just turn ut dow a couple db? There IS stuff getting chopped on CD1 that isnt on vinyl.
As for comparing to older masters... hard to say... yet.
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Girls and boys Grow up, be cool, and play just a little more nicely. I have been in many an argument in my time at the org and thank god for the org but i am just surprised THIS particular thread is so divisive... not ABOUT the CD im fucking divided myself... but come on with that bullshit where it gets.... TOO mean. We have every other thread for that 🤣
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What i came to say, Ill just put in the next post.
[Edited 7/1/17 15:18pm]
Starrfighter
Reply #190 posted 07/01/17 2:40pm

TheAStarr

HI!
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I just realized that everytime i said that I couldnt believe that 'directly overseen by prince', implying the mastering was done by him, which anyone that can read between the lines means not Prince HIMSELF did not actually do the work, sounds nice though, that he directy oversaw HITNRUN brickwall CD1.
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BUT everytime I would say disc 1 sounds great until dance electric starts and if its back to back on a playlist you go... oh that is the person the should remastered the real album, why did they not just give the whole thing to Grundman and "Directly Oversee" THAT, like many others said, or Steve HOFFMAN. I said like every time. HOFFMAN. WRONG.
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This is a correction.
.Every and i mean every time I said "Grundman or Steve Hoffman" I meant "Grundman or Steve WILSON". Steve WILSON is the guy who did the rediculous awesome new stero mix remaster, surround sound, rehearsal takes, orignal mix remastered YES releases, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, XTC, Chicago and others that blow your mind all over your face. SOMEONE will back me up on it.
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That said, Grundman disc 2/3 was the right choice and Grundman should have done Disc 1 as well, THIS TIME. Disc 2 sounds like what disc 1 should (disc 1 is by no means bad I would even say pretty good but COME ON). Grundman should done the whole thing and that would put decent close the book on that type of remaster, i think Grunman would have been super.
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AND THEN WB should literally hand Steve WILSON the house keys because HE IS AMAZING. (Im sorry to Steve Hoffman who i said so many times i meant someone else... but you have decent message boards😀?)
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So everytime Steve Hoffman I meant Steve WILSON.
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End of correction. You may now continue your bickering. Shit also I spell Bernie's name wrong all the time. I am sorry Bernie.
[Edited 7/1/17 15:20pm]
Starrfighter
Reply #191 posted 07/01/17 2:42pm

rdhull

TheAStarr said:

HI! . I just realized that everytime i said that I couldnt believe that 'directly overseen by prince', implying the mastering was done by him, which anyone that can read between the lines means not Prince HIMSELF did not actually do the work, sounds nice though, that he directy oversaw HITNRUN brickwall CD1. . BUT everytime I would say disc 1 sounds great until dance electric starts and if its back to back on a playlist you go... oh that is the person the should remastered the real album, why did they not just give the whole thing to Grundman, like many others said, or Steve HOFFMAN. I said like every time. HOFFMAN. WRONG. . This is a correction. .Every and i mean every time I said "Grundman or Steve Hoffman" I meant "Grundman or Steve WILSON". Steve WILSON is the guy who did the rediculous awesome new stero mix remaster, surround sound, rehearsal takes, orignal mix remastered YES releases, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, XTC, Chicago and others that blow your mind all over your face. SOMEONE will back me up on it. . That said, Grundman disc 2/3 was the right choice and Grundman should have done Disc 1 as well, THIS TIME. Disc 2 sounds like what disc 1 should (disc 1 is by no means bad I would even say pretty good but COME ON). Grundman should done the whole thing and that would put decent close the book on that type of remaster, i think Grunman would have been super. . AND THEN WB should literally hand Steve WILSON the house keys because HE IS AMAZING. (Im soryy to Steve Hoffman who i said so many times i meant someone else... but you have decent message boards😀?) . So everytime Steve Hoffman I meant Steve WILSON. . End of correction. You may now continue your bickering. [Edited 7/1/17 14:42pm]

who's on first?

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #192 posted 07/01/17 5:29pm

Kobe

Do u have turntable or do u lie? with an iPod?

TheAStarr said:

HI! . I just realized that everytime i said that I couldnt believe that 'directly overseen by prince', implying the mastering was done by him, which anyone that can read between the lines means not Prince HIMSELF did not actually do the work, sounds nice though, that he directy oversaw HITNRUN brickwall CD1. . BUT everytime I would say disc 1 sounds great until dance electric starts and if its back to back on a playlist you go... oh that is the person the should remastered the real album, why did they not just give the whole thing to Grundman and "Directly Oversee" THAT, like many others said, or Steve HOFFMAN. I said like every time. HOFFMAN. WRONG. . This is a correction. .Every and i mean every time I said "Grundman or Steve Hoffman" I meant "Grundman or Steve WILSON". Steve WILSON is the guy who did the rediculous awesome new stero mix remaster, surround sound, rehearsal takes, orignal mix remastered YES releases, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, XTC, Chicago and others that blow your mind all over your face. SOMEONE will back me up on it. . That said, Grundman disc 2/3 was the right choice and Grundman should have done Disc 1 as well, THIS TIME. Disc 2 sounds like what disc 1 should (disc 1 is by no means bad I would even say pretty good but COME ON). Grundman should done the whole thing and that would put decent close the book on that type of remaster, i think Grunman would have been super. . AND THEN WB should literally hand Steve WILSON the house keys because HE IS AMAZING. (Im sorry to Steve Hoffman who i said so many times i meant someone else... but you have decent message boards😀?) . So everytime Steve Hoffman I meant Steve WILSON. . End of correction. You may now continue your bickering. Shit also I spell Bernie's name wrong all the time. I am sorry Bernie. [Edited 7/1/17 15:20pm]

And girls, if you wanna to get that lovely tattoo of the sunrise rising out of your ass crack... Gorgeous when you're 20, but when you're 50, it's an octopus chasing a fucking starfish ~ Robin Williams
Reply #193 posted 07/01/17 5:58pm

TheAStarr

Kobe said:

Do u have turntable or do u lie? with an iPod?



TheAStarr said:


HI! . I just realized that everytime i said that I couldnt believe that 'directly overseen by prince', implying the mastering was done by him, which anyone that can read between the lines means not Prince HIMSELF did not actually do the work, sounds nice though, that he directy oversaw HITNRUN brickwall CD1. . BUT everytime I would say disc 1 sounds great until dance electric starts and if its back to back on a playlist you go... oh that is the person the should remastered the real album, why did they not just give the whole thing to Grundman and "Directly Oversee" THAT, like many others said, or Steve HOFFMAN. I said like every time. HOFFMAN. WRONG. . This is a correction. .Every and i mean every time I said "Grundman or Steve Hoffman" I meant "Grundman or Steve WILSON". Steve WILSON is the guy who did the rediculous awesome new stero mix remaster, surround sound, rehearsal takes, orignal mix remastered YES releases, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, XTC, Chicago and others that blow your mind all over your face. SOMEONE will back me up on it. . That said, Grundman disc 2/3 was the right choice and Grundman should have done Disc 1 as well, THIS TIME. Disc 2 sounds like what disc 1 should (disc 1 is by no means bad I would even say pretty good but COME ON). Grundman should done the whole thing and that would put decent close the book on that type of remaster, i think Grunman would have been super. . AND THEN WB should literally hand Steve WILSON the house keys because HE IS AMAZING. (Im sorry to Steve Hoffman who i said so many times i meant someone else... but you have decent message boards😀?) . So everytime Steve Hoffman I meant Steve WILSON. . End of correction. You may now continue your bickering. Shit also I spell Bernie's name wrong all the time. I am sorry Bernie. [Edited 7/1/17 15:20pm]

 



I have a turntable and i do not have an iPhone. Oh iPod, even better. Yes I lie through an iPod.
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And I am listening to PR disc 1 on my
minidisc on my sony minidisc olayer- Sport edition for less skipping.
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How is your ham radio working?
[Edited 7/1/17 18:01pm]
Starrfighter
Reply #194 posted 07/01/17 6:14pm

KingSausage

rdhull said:

 



TheAStarr said:


HI! . I just realized that everytime i said that I couldnt believe that 'directly overseen by prince', implying the mastering was done by him, which anyone that can read between the lines means not Prince HIMSELF did not actually do the work, sounds nice though, that he directy oversaw HITNRUN brickwall CD1. . BUT everytime I would say disc 1 sounds great until dance electric starts and if its back to back on a playlist you go... oh that is the person the should remastered the real album, why did they not just give the whole thing to Grundman, like many others said, or Steve HOFFMAN. I said like every time. HOFFMAN. WRONG. . This is a correction. .Every and i mean every time I said "Grundman or Steve Hoffman" I meant "Grundman or Steve WILSON". Steve WILSON is the guy who did the rediculous awesome new stero mix remaster, surround sound, rehearsal takes, orignal mix remastered YES releases, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, XTC, Chicago and others that blow your mind all over your face. SOMEONE will back me up on it. . That said, Grundman disc 2/3 was the right choice and Grundman should have done Disc 1 as well, THIS TIME. Disc 2 sounds like what disc 1 should (disc 1 is by no means bad I would even say pretty good but COME ON). Grundman should done the whole thing and that would put decent close the book on that type of remaster, i think Grunman would have been super. . AND THEN WB should literally hand Steve WILSON the house keys because HE IS AMAZING. (Im soryy to Steve Hoffman who i said so many times i meant someone else... but you have decent message boards😀?) . So everytime Steve Hoffman I meant Steve WILSON. . End of correction. You may now continue your bickering. [Edited 7/1/17 14:42pm]

who's on first?




What?
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #195 posted 07/02/17 5:23pm

rdhull

KingSausage said:

rdhull said:

 



TheAStarr said:


HI! . I just realized that everytime i said that I couldnt believe that 'directly overseen by prince', implying the mastering was done by him, which anyone that can read between the lines means not Prince HIMSELF did not actually do the work, sounds nice though, that he directy oversaw HITNRUN brickwall CD1. . BUT everytime I would say disc 1 sounds great until dance electric starts and if its back to back on a playlist you go... oh that is the person the should remastered the real album, why did they not just give the whole thing to Grundman, like many others said, or Steve HOFFMAN. I said like every time. HOFFMAN. WRONG. . This is a correction. .Every and i mean every time I said "Grundman or Steve Hoffman" I meant "Grundman or Steve WILSON". Steve WILSON is the guy who did the rediculous awesome new stero mix remaster, surround sound, rehearsal takes, orignal mix remastered YES releases, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, XTC, Chicago and others that blow your mind all over your face. SOMEONE will back me up on it. . That said, Grundman disc 2/3 was the right choice and Grundman should have done Disc 1 as well, THIS TIME. Disc 2 sounds like what disc 1 should (disc 1 is by no means bad I would even say pretty good but COME ON). Grundman should done the whole thing and that would put decent close the book on that type of remaster, i think Grunman would have been super. . AND THEN WB should literally hand Steve WILSON the house keys because HE IS AMAZING. (Im soryy to Steve Hoffman who i said so many times i meant someone else... but you have decent message boards😀?) . So everytime Steve Hoffman I meant Steve WILSON. . End of correction. You may now continue your bickering. [Edited 7/1/17 14:42pm]

who's on first?




What?


Is on second
And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #196 posted 07/03/17 1:18pm

KingSausage

On a serious note, can anyone provide a comparison between the 2009 vinyl issue and this new vinyl reissue? I apologize if I missed a post above (not really). If this new vinyl reissue sounds better or even different in a good way, I'll buy it. I love the 2009 release.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #197 posted 07/04/17 1:57pm

jjhunsecker

djThunderfunk said:

Although I'm loving disc 2 and definitely feel I got my money's worth for the set (4 discs for $25.99), I won't be listening to disc 1 again. Too loud, too harsh, no dynamic range... the original CD (EQ'd to my preferences) sounds better than this, and the vinyl & HD tracks versions sound much better, so, count me among those that are glad Josh will have no part in future "remasters".

All that said, I'm not disappointed or surprised. Disc 1 turned out EXACTLY as I expected.



Too bad they didn't use Bill Inglot, his mastering work is almost always superb . I haven't bought this yet, and not I'm not sure I want to
Reply #198 posted 07/04/17 2:02pm

jjhunsecker

rdhull said:

 



jaawwnn said:


I have to say, for the purposes of shitty earbuds listening which is 90% of my listening this sounds better.

When it actually comes to sitting down with a proper system I still have the CD and original vinyl so i'm happy enough.

Genuine question, does anyone on here actually think the original album was in need of remastering? Sign o the Times is the only one I can think of that is in serious need. Parade seems split down the middle between those who thinks it's already a dry and perfect sound and those who think it needs more "punchiness".



I thought PR was fine as is. Parade too for some reason as well. 1999 though I would like 'remastered' and not just set to louder as the improvement. I was listening to IWBYL from Prince self titled and that release needs it to imho.



Parade sounds too muffled and indistinct to me. It needs a good remaster (along with SOTT)
Reply #199 posted 07/04/17 2:03pm

PeteSilas

jjhunsecker said:

djThunderfunk said:

Although I'm loving disc 2 and definitely feel I got my money's worth for the set (4 discs for $25.99), I won't be listening to disc 1 again. Too loud, too harsh, no dynamic range... the original CD (EQ'd to my preferences) sounds better than this, and the vinyl & HD tracks versions sound much better, so, count me among those that are glad Josh will have no part in future "remasters".

All that said, I'm not disappointed or surprised. Disc 1 turned out EXACTLY as I expected.

Too bad they didn't use Bill Inglot, his mastering work is almost always superb . I haven't bought this yet, and not I'm not sure I want to

no one needs purple rain, we've all heard it a bazillion times, i keep saying the reason i bought it was for the extras, i'm happy with what i got, father's song, etc.., i wouldn't have minded some earlier versions of purple rain, but I've got those already anyway.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #200 posted 07/04/17 2:10pm

jjhunsecker

BartVanHemelen said:

I see some fans are pointing to Prince delivering an atrocious "remaster" to WBR as a "fuck you" of sorts. These fans are wrong, it is a fuck you to his fans. Because WBR could now release this turd as new product and rake in the money, while any blame for its abysmal sound can be rightfully blamed on Prince.


.


Much like Prince delivering sub-par "contractually obligated" albums like C&D and TV:OF4S is merely hurting his own career and his standing among (sane) fans.


.


Just imagine how petty or vindictive someone must be to deliberately release half-assed rubbish as some kind of "punishment" to his label. And the mental gymnastics some famz apply to chalk this up as a "win"...



I read a recent review of this set where the author asks has any major artist shown more disrespect to his past work than Prince? The audio quality of many of his CDs of his greatest albums are abysmal
Reply #201 posted 07/04/17 2:15pm

jjhunsecker

TheAStarr said:

HI!
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I just realized that everytime i said that I couldnt believe that 'directly overseen by prince', implying the mastering was done by him, which anyone that can read between the lines means not Prince HIMSELF did not actually do the work, sounds nice though, that he directy oversaw HITNRUN brickwall CD1.
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BUT everytime I would say disc 1 sounds great until dance electric starts and if its back to back on a playlist you go... oh that is the person the should remastered the real album, why did they not just give the whole thing to Grundman and "Directly Oversee" THAT, like many others said, or Steve HOFFMAN. I said like every time. HOFFMAN. WRONG.
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This is a correction.
.Every and i mean every time I said "Grundman or Steve Hoffman" I meant "Grundman or Steve WILSON". Steve WILSON is the guy who did the rediculous awesome new stero mix remaster, surround sound, rehearsal takes, orignal mix remastered YES releases, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, XTC, Chicago and others that blow your mind all over your face. SOMEONE will back me up on it.
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That said, Grundman disc 2/3 was the right choice and Grundman should have done Disc 1 as well, THIS TIME. Disc 2 sounds like what disc 1 should (disc 1 is by no means bad I would even say pretty good but COME ON). Grundman should done the whole thing and that would put decent close the book on that type of remaster, i think Grunman would have been super.
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AND THEN WB should literally hand Steve WILSON the house keys because HE IS AMAZING. (Im sorry to Steve Hoffman who i said so many times i meant someone else... but you have decent message boards😀?)
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So everytime Steve Hoffman I meant Steve WILSON.
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End of correction. You may now continue your bickering. Shit also I spell Bernie's name wrong all the time. I am sorry Bernie.
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A few years back in Sound and Vision magazine, Steve Wilson listed his dream projects to remix in 5.1 surround sound, and "SOTT" was high on the list !
Reply #202 posted 07/04/17 2:19pm

jjhunsecker

PeteSilas said:

 



jjhunsecker said:


djThunderfunk said:

Although I'm loving disc 2 and definitely feel I got my money's worth for the set (4 discs for $25.99), I won't be listening to disc 1 again. Too loud, too harsh, no dynamic range... the original CD (EQ'd to my preferences) sounds better than this, and the vinyl & HD tracks versions sound much better, so, count me among those that are glad Josh will have no part in future "remasters".

All that said, I'm not disappointed or surprised. Disc 1 turned out EXACTLY as I expected.



Too bad they didn't use Bill Inglot, his mastering work is almost always superb . I haven't bought this yet, and not I'm not sure I want to

no one needs purple rain, we've all heard it a bazillion times, i keep saying the reason i bought it was for the extras, i'm happy with what i got, father's song, etc.., i wouldn't have minded some earlier versions of purple rain, but I've got those already anyway.  



One of the greatest albums of all time should sound it's very best possible. We probably didn't "need" an upgraded "Sgt. Pepper" either, but the new version sounds great
Reply #203 posted 07/04/17 2:23pm

PeteSilas

jjhunsecker said:

PeteSilas said:

no one needs purple rain, we've all heard it a bazillion times, i keep saying the reason i bought it was for the extras, i'm happy with what i got, father's song, etc.., i wouldn't have minded some earlier versions of purple rain, but I've got those already anyway.

One of the greatest albums of all time should sound it's very best possible. We probably didn't "need" an upgraded "Sgt. Pepper" either, but the new version sounds great

maybe you needed it, i didn't buy it. I think sound quality is generally overrated. I must say it does make a difference but it's not something i couldn't live without.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #204 posted 07/04/17 3:36pm

jjhunsecker

PeteSilas said:

 



jjhunsecker said:


PeteSilas said:

 


no one needs purple rain, we've all heard it a bazillion times, i keep saying the reason i bought it was for the extras, i'm happy with what i got, father's song, etc.., i wouldn't have minded some earlier versions of purple rain, but I've got those already anyway.  



One of the greatest albums of all time should sound it's very best possible. We probably didn't "need" an upgraded "Sgt. Pepper" either, but the new version sounds great

maybe you needed it, i didn't buy it.  I think sound quality is generally overrated.  I must say it does make a difference but it's not something i couldn't live without.



I'm not an obsessed audiophile, but good sound draws me into the music I love, and heightens my appreciation of the work
Reply #205 posted 07/04/17 4:44pm

PeteSilas

jjhunsecker said:

PeteSilas said:

maybe you needed it, i didn't buy it. I think sound quality is generally overrated. I must say it does make a difference but it's not something i couldn't live without.

I'm not an obsessed audiophile, but good sound draws me into the music I love, and heightens my appreciation of the work

good for you, there was a great rock critic who died young who praised the merits of the early rock music heard on crappy speakers and recorded with primitive equipement, quality comes through, on the other hand, nothing can polish a turd.

his name was lester bangs and he mentioned the merits of crappy equipement and pointed to the music of the time, 70's, early 80's as heartless and overproduced. I actually like a lot of 70's music and the groups he mentioned but i could kinda see his points. He said something like how arrogant led zeppelin were and how shitty they played as if the audience didn't deserve to even see them, he also said Plant wasn't as strong a figure as the earlier rock icons. It was very interesting even if i didn't agree with every point, after all, led zeppelin was fucking incredible and so was a lot of the music in that decade.

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Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #206 posted 07/04/17 10:08pm

ilo

http://www.popmatters.com/feature/prince-classic-finally-expanded-the-deluxe-purple-rain-reissue/
Reply #207 posted 07/05/17 9:05am

jjhunsecker

PeteSilas said:

 



jjhunsecker said:


PeteSilas said:

 


maybe you needed it, i didn't buy it.  I think sound quality is generally overrated.  I must say it does make a difference but it's not something i couldn't live without.



I'm not an obsessed audiophile, but good sound draws me into the music I love, and heightens my appreciation of the work

good for you, there was a great rock critic who died young who praised the merits of the early rock music heard on crappy speakers and recorded with primitive equipement, quality comes through, on the other hand, nothing can polish a turd.  


 


his name was lester bangs and he mentioned the merits of crappy equipement and pointed to the music of the time, 70's, early 80's as heartless and overproduced.  I actually like a lot of 70's music and the groups he mentioned but i could kinda see his points.  He said something like how arrogant led zeppelin were and how shitty they played as if the audience didn't deserve to even see them, he also said Plant wasn't as strong a figure as the earlier rock icons.  It was very interesting even if i didn't agree with every point, after all, led zeppelin was fucking incredible and so was a lot of the music in that decade.

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I pretty much agree with you... the music itself is what matters most. But when I upgraded my speakers a few years back (good but inexpensive), I realized how much of the music I had been missing... there were things I literally had never heard before or noticed in recordings I thought I knew well. One thing that struck me listening to well mastered recordings even from the 1950s- like Elvis or Chuck Berry or Little Richard or Jerry Lee Lewis was how much BASS was actually on these records that crappy speakers or the radio never allowed you to hear
Reply #208 posted 07/05/17 9:11am

CAL3

jjhunsecker said:


I read a recent review of this set where the author asks has any major artist shown more disrespect to his past work than Prince?

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So true. So sad.

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Maybe someone else has said it (I've been away for a while) - if P had released this set circa 1998-99, he probably would've had Larry Graham remaster it.

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It should be a Geico commercial -- "When you're remastering a classic album, you hire an expert mastering engineer. It's what you do."

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Prince had a non-mastering engineer do it (nothing against Welton, can't blame him for giving it a shot). But what does that really say? Then again, this is the same guy who foisted a bunch of subpar material upon the public in order to fulfill a contract. And sycophantic "fams" actually BOUGHT INTO the anti-Warner Bros. rhetoric. The whole thing beggars belief.

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Back in the mid-'90s when reviewing one or another of those deliberately subpar albums, Rolling Stone called P's career (at the time) a "spectacular slow motion trainwreck."

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Too bad he didn't care enough about his most popular album to hire someone to remaster it who's actual job it is to master music.

Reply #209 posted 07/05/17 10:35am

PeteSilas

jjhunsecker said:

PeteSilas said:

good for you, there was a great rock critic who died young who praised the merits of the early rock music heard on crappy speakers and recorded with primitive equipement, quality comes through, on the other hand, nothing can polish a turd.

his name was lester bangs and he mentioned the merits of crappy equipement and pointed to the music of the time, 70's, early 80's as heartless and overproduced. I actually like a lot of 70's music and the groups he mentioned but i could kinda see his points. He said something like how arrogant led zeppelin were and how shitty they played as if the audience didn't deserve to even see them, he also said Plant wasn't as strong a figure as the earlier rock icons. It was very interesting even if i didn't agree with every point, after all, led zeppelin was fucking incredible and so was a lot of the music in that decade.

[Edited 7/5/17 0:05am]

I pretty much agree with you... the music itself is what matters most. But when I upgraded my speakers a few years back (good but inexpensive), I realized how much of the music I had been missing... there were things I literally had never heard before or noticed in recordings I thought I knew well. One thing that struck me listening to well mastered recordings even from the 1950s- like Elvis or Chuck Berry or Little Richard or Jerry Lee Lewis was how much BASS was actually on these records that crappy speakers or the radio never allowed you to hear

sure, when i listened to the cd versions, or rather the mp3 version of Parade, i loved that i could hear the bass but the album was great even without that.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #210 posted 07/05/17 2:51pm

thx185

rdhull said:

KingSausage said:

rdhull said: I can think of only a small number of people who've done nothing but bitch on here for years. Hell, I've praised AOA and started threads about how much I like Rave. Even Bart started a thread about some new soundboard leaks and had positive things to say about one of the shows. Sure, this site can be more negative and nasty than other discussion sites. But that's partially a reaction to people (not you) who only want to hear positive things about Prince and have some disturbing fan worship shit going on.

I feel you but lemme tell ya..the org has always been this way. Its because other sites and newsgroups (amp, HQ etc) have closed and lost luster that those denizens have come to the only purple place left standing. We freaks (asskissing ones, dorks, non audiphiles etc etc etc) were here first. The disdain the above it all ones have for the others is bs and they can either go back to their dilapidated web places of yore or stfu about those who are okay with things and state that.

You think / care / post about this kind of stuff a lot.

"..free to change your mind"
Reply #211 posted 07/05/17 5:57pm

PeteSilas

thx185 said:

rdhull said:

I feel you but lemme tell ya..the org has always been this way. Its because other sites and newsgroups (amp, HQ etc) have closed and lost luster that those denizens have come to the only purple place left standing. We freaks (asskissing ones, dorks, non audiphiles etc etc etc) were here first. The disdain the above it all ones have for the others is bs and they can either go back to their dilapidated web places of yore or stfu about those who are okay with things and state that.

You think / care / post about this kind of stuff a lot.

this site honestly hasn't had sycophantic fans for over ten years in my estimation. There used to be some real fanatics here who were cultlike in their devotion, but i haven't seen much of that in a long time, mostly, I saw nothing but negativity for the last ten years, I mean toxic negativity, it was like they waited for prince to do anything so they could rip it to shreds, it won't stop now that he's dead but I've seen people be less critical of him in death, overall.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #212 posted 07/05/17 7:12pm

rdhull

thx185 said:

rdhull said:

I feel you but lemme tell ya..the org has always been this way. Its because other sites and newsgroups (amp, HQ etc) have closed and lost luster that those denizens have come to the only purple place left standing. We freaks (asskissing ones, dorks, non audiphiles etc etc etc) were here first. The disdain the above it all ones have for the others is bs and they can either go back to their dilapidated web places of yore or stfu about those who are okay with things and state that.

You think / care / post about this kind of stuff a lot.

Yeah, so what?

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #213 posted 07/05/17 7:27pm

TheVaultKeeper

Okay, I just listened to a HiRes rip of the 2009, 180 gram LP remastered by Kevin Gray @ Acoustech Mastering, pressed at RTI, and it's now my go to Purple Rain release from now on. The dynamic range and the remastering are great. Fantastic sounding release!

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Prince & The Revolution ‎– Purple Rain

Label: Warner Bros. Records/Rhino Records - R1 25110

Format: Vinyl, LP, Album, Remastered, 180 Gram

Country: US

Released: 2009


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Analyzed: Prince & The Revolution / Purple Rain [Rhino 180g LP]

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DR Peak RMS Duration Track

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DR12 -0.62 dB -16.41 dB 4:37 01-Let's Go Crazy

DR14 -1.06 dB -17.28 dB 3:52 02-Take Me with U

DR13 -1.99 dB -18.50 dB 5:12 03-The Beautiful Ones

DR14 -2.24 dB -18.57 dB 3:57 04-Computer Blue

DR13 -0.19 dB -16.97 dB 4:13 05-Darling Nikki

DR15 -2.51 dB -19.68 dB 5:51 06-When Doves Cry

DR17 -1.79 dB -20.88 dB 2:48 07-I Would Die 4 U

DR15 -0.36 dB -16.64 dB 4:22 08-Baby I'm a Star

DR14 -4.71 dB -21.62 dB 8:41 09-Purple Rain

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Number of tracks: 9

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Maximum peak difference (-0.19 dB - -4.71 dB): 4.52 dB


Official DR value (SongMode): DR14 ================================================================================

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Reply #214 posted 07/05/17 8:13pm

PeteSilas

i wonder what version i got, i bought mine off of some russian mp3 site. It's ok. Like I say, it generally doesn't bother me, how many times have most of us listened to that album anyway? Like i keep saying, it was the extras and it was only 25 bucks.

TheVaultKeeper said:

Okay, I just listened to a HiRes rip of the 2009, 180 gram LP remastered by Kevin Gray @ Acoustech Mastering, pressed at RTI, and it's now my go to Purple Rain release from now on. The dynamic range and the remastering are great. Fantastic sounding release!

.

Prince & The Revolution ‎– Purple Rain

Label: Warner Bros. Records/Rhino Records - R1 25110

Format: Vinyl, LP, Album, Remastered, 180 Gram

Country: US

Released: 2009

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Analyzed: Prince & The Revolution / Purple Rain [Rhino 180g LP]

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DR Peak RMS Duration Track

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DR12 -0.62 dB -16.41 dB 4:37 01-Let's Go Crazy

DR14 -1.06 dB -17.28 dB 3:52 02-Take Me with U

DR13 -1.99 dB -18.50 dB 5:12 03-The Beautiful Ones

DR14 -2.24 dB -18.57 dB 3:57 04-Computer Blue

DR13 -0.19 dB -16.97 dB 4:13 05-Darling Nikki

DR15 -2.51 dB -19.68 dB 5:51 06-When Doves Cry

DR17 -1.79 dB -20.88 dB 2:48 07-I Would Die 4 U

DR15 -0.36 dB -16.64 dB 4:22 08-Baby I'm a Star

DR14 -4.71 dB -21.62 dB 8:41 09-Purple Rain

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Number of tracks: 9

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Maximum peak difference (-0.19 dB - -4.71 dB): 4.52 dB


Official DR value (SongMode): DR14 ================================================================================

[Edited 7/5/17 19:28pm]

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #215 posted 07/06/17 11:15am

sexton

PeteSilas said:

jjhunsecker said:

PeteSilas said: One of the greatest albums of all time should sound it's very best possible. We probably didn't "need" an upgraded "Sgt. Pepper" either, but the new version sounds great

maybe you needed it, i didn't buy it. I think sound quality is generally overrated. I must say it does make a difference but it's not something i couldn't live without.


If sound quality was overrated then there wouldn't be as many people with free lo-fi Spotify accounts. Most people prefer convenience over sound quality. That's why they listen to lossy mp3s on factory earbuds.

Reply #216 posted 07/06/17 11:45am

PeteSilas

sexton said:

PeteSilas said:

maybe you needed it, i didn't buy it. I think sound quality is generally overrated. I must say it does make a difference but it's not something i couldn't live without.


If sound quality was overrated then there wouldn't be as many people with free lo-fi Spotify accounts. Most people prefer convenience over sound quality. That's why they listen to lossy mp3s on factory earbuds.

it's overrated, we didn't even really need cd's it's just more crap to buy and buy it we did. I'm old enough to remember cd's coming out, they were celebrated as having better sound quality, and this one really fails the advertisement "music has become indestructible". Cd's are every bit as fragile and prone to mishandling as vinyl is, i guess they meant it can be played forever but I've had lots of tapes and records i've played forever and never had problems with them wearing out. Getting scratched or the tape getting yanked out sure, but nothing else.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #217 posted 07/06/17 11:54am

sexton

PeteSilas said:

sexton said:


If sound quality was overrated then there wouldn't be as many people with free lo-fi Spotify accounts. Most people prefer convenience over sound quality. That's why they listen to lossy mp3s on factory earbuds.

it's overrated, we didn't even really need cd's it's just more crap to buy and buy it we did. I'm old enough to remember cd's coming out, they were celebrated as having better sound quality, and this one really fails the advertisement "music has become indestructible". Cd's are every bit as fragile and prone to mishandling as vinyl is, i guess they meant it can be played forever but I've had lots of tapes and records i've played forever and never had problems with them wearing out. Getting scratched or the tape getting yanked out sure, but nothing else.


It's not overrated, most people are not buying these reissues. Most people are not buying anything.

Reply #218 posted 07/06/17 12:50pm

PeteSilas

sexton said:

PeteSilas said:

it's overrated, we didn't even really need cd's it's just more crap to buy and buy it we did. I'm old enough to remember cd's coming out, they were celebrated as having better sound quality, and this one really fails the advertisement "music has become indestructible". Cd's are every bit as fragile and prone to mishandling as vinyl is, i guess they meant it can be played forever but I've had lots of tapes and records i've played forever and never had problems with them wearing out. Getting scratched or the tape getting yanked out sure, but nothing else.


It's not overrated, most people are not buying these reissues. Most people are not buying anything.

you think that's because of the quality? most of the reviews are positive, just look outside of the org, most people who bought the set don't give a shit, it's only here, where you fans hated everythng he did, drove the man to an early grave, don't like the remix. I could take it or leave it, i've heard it a million times, being as there is so much that I haven't listened to enough, I prioritize that over another listen to Purple Rain, great album it is, I already know it like the back of my hand, no changing a snare drum is going to make it any different for me.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #219 posted 07/06/17 1:07pm

sexton

PeteSilas said:

sexton said:


It's not overrated, most people are not buying these reissues. Most people are not buying anything.

you think that's because of the quality? most of the reviews are positive, just look outside of the org, most people who bought the set don't give a shit, it's only here, where you fans hated everythng he did, drove the man to an early grave, don't like the remix. I could take it or leave it, i've heard it a million times, being as there is so much that I haven't listened to enough, I prioritize that over another listen to Purple Rain, great album it is, I already know it like the back of my hand, no changing a snare drum is going to make it any different for me.


Right, so if most people feel this way, how can sound quality be overrated?

Reply #220 posted 07/06/17 1:11pm

PeteSilas

sexton said:

PeteSilas said:

you think that's because of the quality? most of the reviews are positive, just look outside of the org, most people who bought the set don't give a shit, it's only here, where you fans hated everythng he did, drove the man to an early grave, don't like the remix. I could take it or leave it, i've heard it a million times, being as there is so much that I haven't listened to enough, I prioritize that over another listen to Purple Rain, great album it is, I already know it like the back of my hand, no changing a snare drum is going to make it any different for me.


Right, so if most people feel this way, how can sound quality be overrated?

oh i see, you want to be argumentative just for the sake of arguing, ok you're right, your bright an you are smarter than me, bye, have a nice day.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #221 posted 07/06/17 1:20pm

sexton

PeteSilas said:

sexton said:


Right, so if most people feel this way, how can sound quality be overrated?

oh i see, you want to be argumentative just for the sake of arguing, ok you're right, your bright an you are smarter than me, bye, have a nice day.


It was not my intention to frustrate you. I'm saying if most people feel the way you do and don't consider high quality recordings important then high quality recordings would be underrated, not overrated.

Reply #222 posted 07/06/17 1:30pm

PeteSilas

you're just too goddamned smart i can't cope, i'm frustrated. Bring it down.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #223 posted 07/06/17 1:41pm

sexton

PeteSilas said:

you're just too goddamned smart i can't cope, i'm frustrated. Bring it down.


Okay.

Reply #224 posted 07/06/17 1:46pm

PeteSilas

one thing i was hoping to get was when droves cry with the bass, eric leeds says the bass was smoking and the bass he used live actually made the song better if more traditional. we didn't get it.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #225 posted 07/06/17 2:02pm

jjhunsecker

sexton said:

 



PeteSilas said:


 



jjhunsecker said:


PeteSilas said: One of the greatest albums of all time should sound it's very best possible. We probably didn't "need" an upgraded "Sgt. Pepper" either, but the new version sounds great

maybe you needed it, i didn't buy it.  I think sound quality is generally overrated.  I must say it does make a difference but it's not something i couldn't live without.




If sound quality was overrated then there wouldn't be as many people with free lo-fi Spotify accounts. Most people prefer convenience over sound quality. That's why they listen to lossy mp3s on factory earbuds.



Right, people don't know what they are missing. If all you know are low-bit MP3s, and crap ear-buds, you'll think that is how music sounds. The same way if you're only eating McDonald's, you'll think that is actually good food
Reply #226 posted 07/07/17 12:44pm

PeteSilas

jjhunsecker said:

sexton said:


If sound quality was overrated then there wouldn't be as many people with free lo-fi Spotify accounts. Most people prefer convenience over sound quality. That's why they listen to lossy mp3s on factory earbuds.

Right, people don't know what they are missing. If all you know are low-bit MP3s, and crap ear-buds, you'll think that is how music sounds. The same way if you're only eating McDonald's, you'll think that is actually good food

I guess up to a certain point yes, but much past that? I think we were sold a bill of goods with every single advance in technology. I was surprised to learn that Elvis hardly ever recorded in stereo even, it never really hurt his career and it's not something people made a huge issue over. A good song trumps just about everything.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #227 posted 07/07/17 12:45pm

PeteSilas

jjhunsecker said:

sexton said:


If sound quality was overrated then there wouldn't be as many people with free lo-fi Spotify accounts. Most people prefer convenience over sound quality. That's why they listen to lossy mp3s on factory earbuds.

Right, people don't know what they are missing. If all you know are low-bit MP3s, and crap ear-buds, you'll think that is how music sounds. The same way if you're only eating McDonald's, you'll think that is actually good food

I guess up to a certain point yes, but much past that? I think we were sold a bill of goods with every single advance in technology. I was surprised to learn that Elvis hardly ever recorded in stereo even, it never really hurt his career and it's not something people made a huge issue over. A good song trumps just about everything.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #228 posted 07/07/17 3:35pm

ilo

When i bought the recently reissued Pet Sounds i made sure i bought the mono version. Of course without comparing it i can't tell you if it's better or worse. I do know that it stands as one of those few perfect, or should i say purrfect, albums.
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Reply #229 posted 07/07/17 8:02pm

jjhunsecker

PeteSilas said:

 



jjhunsecker said:


sexton said:

 



If sound quality was overrated then there wouldn't be as many people with free lo-fi Spotify accounts. Most people prefer convenience over sound quality. That's why they listen to lossy mp3s on factory earbuds.



Right, people don't know what they are missing. If all you know are low-bit MP3s, and crap ear-buds, you'll think that is how music sounds. The same way if you're only eating McDonald's, you'll think that is actually good food

I guess up to a certain point yes, but much past that?  I think we were sold a bill of goods with every single advance in technology.  I was surprised to learn that Elvis hardly ever recorded in stereo even, it never really hurt his career and it's not something people made a huge issue over.   A good song trumps just about everything.  



I agree that the song itself IS the most important thing. But better sound does make a difference- from a hardware and a software perspective. Get a decent receiver, and most importantly, some good speakers (there are nice ones out there very reasonably priced), and the music opens up. Funny you should mention Elvis, because some recent remasters of his works have been a revelation. Elvis sounds like he is still alive and in my living room!
Reply #230 posted 07/07/17 8:04pm

jjhunsecker

ilo said:

When i bought the recently reissued Pet Sounds i made sure i bought the mono version. Of course without comparing it i can't tell you if it's better or worse. I do know that it stands as one of those few perfect, or should i say purrfect, albums.
[Edited 7/7/17 15:39pm]

I have the version that has the mono and the stereo versions on the same CD, so you can compare them back to back
Reply #231 posted 07/09/17 3:52pm

214

jjhunsecker said:

sexton said:


If sound quality was overrated then there wouldn't be as many people with free lo-fi Spotify accounts. Most people prefer convenience over sound quality. That's why they listen to lossy mp3s on factory earbuds.

Right, people don't know what they are missing. If all you know are low-bit MP3s, and crap ear-buds, you'll think that is how music sounds. The same way if you're only eating McDonald's, you'll think that is actually good food

I listen all my music in that way, and it sounds like heaven to me, but what do you mean by low bit MP3s?

Reply #232 posted 07/10/17 12:43am

jjhunsecker

214 said:

 



jjhunsecker said:


sexton said:

 



If sound quality was overrated then there wouldn't be as many people with free lo-fi Spotify accounts. Most people prefer convenience over sound quality. That's why they listen to lossy mp3s on factory earbuds.



Right, people don't know what they are missing. If all you know are low-bit MP3s, and crap ear-buds, you'll think that is how music sounds. The same way if you're only eating McDonald's, you'll think that is actually good food

I listen all my music in that way, and it sounds like heaven to me, but what do you mean by low bit MP3s?



Many users of I-tunes would import their music at the lowest bit rates in order to squeeze in more music, but at a decrease in sonic quality.
Reply #233 posted 07/10/17 9:14am

udo

rdhull said:

I can see it now: Purple Rain, The Bernie Grundman Remaster 2018

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I do not like rehash but please let this happen.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #234 posted 07/10/17 9:22am

eyewishuheaven

udo said:

rdhull said:

I can see it now: Purple Rain, The Bernie Grundman Remaster 2018

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I do not like rehash but please let this happen.


Yep. I would fork over the dough without complaint.

PRINCE: the only man who could wear high heels and makeup and STILL steal your woman!
Reply #235 posted 07/10/17 9:25am

udo

eyewishuheaven said:

udo said:

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I do not like rehash but please let this happen.


Yep. I would fork over the dough without complaint.

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Yup.

The single CD album thing.

Maybe in 'gold' metallic pressing for longevity.

Booklet could be like original with one or two extra pages describing the process.

35 euros max? (if it is truly the quality we seek)

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #236 posted 07/10/17 12:21pm

Cinny

WOW EIGHT PAGES OF BLATHER

And no one heard the milliseconds difference of silence BETWEEN tracks on the Remaster??? hmmm (Obviously does not apply to the non-stop tracks)


Neversin said:

My 1984 cassette sounds better than this shit...

lol

Reply #237 posted 07/10/17 12:39pm

boozoo2

jjhunsecker said:

TheAStarr said:
HI! . I just realized that everytime i said that I couldnt believe that 'directly overseen by prince', implying the mastering was done by him, which anyone that can read between the lines means not Prince HIMSELF did not actually do the work, sounds nice though, that he directy oversaw HITNRUN brickwall CD1. . BUT everytime I would say disc 1 sounds great until dance electric starts and if its back to back on a playlist you go... oh that is the person the should remastered the real album, why did they not just give the whole thing to Grundman and "Directly Oversee" THAT, like many others said, or Steve HOFFMAN. I said like every time. HOFFMAN. WRONG. . This is a correction. .Every and i mean every time I said "Grundman or Steve Hoffman" I meant "Grundman or Steve WILSON". Steve WILSON is the guy who did the rediculous awesome new stero mix remaster, surround sound, rehearsal takes, orignal mix remastered YES releases, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, XTC, Chicago and others that blow your mind all over your face. SOMEONE will back me up on it. . That said, Grundman disc 2/3 was the right choice and Grundman should have done Disc 1 as well, THIS TIME. Disc 2 sounds like what disc 1 should (disc 1 is by no means bad I would even say pretty good but COME ON). Grundman should done the whole thing and that would put decent close the book on that type of remaster, i think Grunman would have been super. . AND THEN WB should literally hand Steve WILSON the house keys because HE IS AMAZING. (Im sorry to Steve Hoffman who i said so many times i meant someone else... but you have decent message boards😀?) . So everytime Steve Hoffman I meant Steve WILSON. . End of correction. You may now continue your bickering. Shit also I spell Bernie's name wrong all the time. I am sorry Bernie. [Edited 7/1/17 15:20pm]
A few years back in Sound and Vision magazine, Steve Wilson listed his dream projects to remix in 5.1 surround sound, and "SOTT" was high on the list !

uhhhh... what is so great (soundwise) about The Dance Electric.. i mean, really

Reply #238 posted 07/10/17 7:22pm

udo

Cinny said:

WOW EIGHT PAGES OF BLATHER

And no one heard the milliseconds difference of silence BETWEEN tracks on the Remaster??? hmmm (Obviously does not apply to the non-stop tracks)

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You did not know that mastering includes the silent parts?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #239 posted 07/11/17 2:33pm

214

jjhunsecker said:

214 said:

I listen all my music in that way, and it sounds like heaven to me, but what do you mean by low bit MP3s?

Many users of I-tunes would import their music at the lowest bit rates in order to squeeze in more music, but at a decrease in sonic quality.

so,it's not 320 kbps mp3 files?

Reply #240 posted 07/12/17 6:59am

jjhunsecker

214 said:

 



jjhunsecker said:


214 said:

 


I listen all my music in that way, and it sounds like heaven to me, but what do you mean by low bit MP3s?



Many users of I-tunes would import their music at the lowest bit rates in order to squeeze in more music, but at a decrease in sonic quality.

so,it's not 320 kbps mp3 files?


I had to specifically set my ITunes account to import music at 320 Kbps- the default setting is much lower, and most people I'm sure don't know to change it
Reply #241 posted 07/12/17 8:40am

Cinny

udo said:

Cinny said:

WOW EIGHT PAGES OF BLATHER

And no one heard the milliseconds difference of silence BETWEEN tracks on the Remaster??? hmmm (Obviously does not apply to the non-stop tracks)

,

You did not know that mastering includes the silent parts?


I feel that the pauses between tracks are different (longer).

[Edited 7/12/17 8:41am]

Reply #242 posted 07/14/17 4:05pm

AaronA

Could Josh be invited for an interview about the remaster project. I don't blame him for the brickwalling as Prince has been doing this on his digital releases for many years.

We know he didn't think much of digital music.

Reply #243 posted 07/14/17 6:37pm

kingricefan

I kind of picked up on the longer pauses between the songs too. Maybe only by a few milliseconds here and there but it's noticable.

Cinny said:

udo said:

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You did not know that mastering includes the silent parts?


I feel that the pauses between tracks are different (longer).

[Edited 7/12/17 8:41am]

Reply #244 posted 07/18/17 12:04pm

Cinny

kingricefan said:

I kind of picked up on the longer pauses between the songs too. Maybe only by a few milliseconds here and there but it's noticable.



Cinny said:


 



udo said:


 


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You did not know that mastering includes the silent parts?




I feel that the pauses between tracks are different (longer). 


[Edited 7/12/17 8:41am]



 



I was dropping my finger to "conduct" the next song, and it was off!
Reply #245 posted 07/18/17 3:32pm

kingricefan

hah! That's funny!

Cinny said:

kingricefan said:

I kind of picked up on the longer pauses between the songs too. Maybe only by a few milliseconds here and there but it's noticable.

I was dropping my finger to "conduct" the next song, and it was off!

Reply #246 posted 07/22/17 5:50pm

206Michelle

So when I listened to disc 1 the first time 3 weeks ago or so, I did so on my computer or phone via Spotify. I noticed a bit of a difference on TBO, the track has more depth on the remaster, and a slight difference on LGC. Other than that, it sounds the same as the original.

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While at the supermarket, literally 30 minutes ago, I listened to the remastered tracks 1 through 5 and part of WDC via my iPhone with headphones. It sounds virtually the same as the original, except for the slight changes on TBO and LGC.

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When I drove home from the supermarket, I listened to part of WDC as well as all of IWD4U and part of BIAS on the car stereo (iPhone via cassette tape adapter). I quickly heard a noticeable difference on these 3 tracks, namely that the percussion is clearer or more emphasized on the tracks. I have listened to the original PR many times on my car stereo and I don't remember hearing the percussion as clearly as I heard today on the remastered version. I'm not sure how I feel about the change. The more noticeable percussion started to get on my nerves just a little bit once I got to BIAS.

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Do others notice the difference in the percussion when listening to the remaster on a car stereo?

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Reply #247 posted 07/24/17 5:50am

francescoc10

Didn't Prince himself do/guide and approve this remastering of Purple Rain?

Reply #248 posted 07/24/17 9:11am

udo

francescoc10 said:

Didn't Prince himself do/guide and approve this remastering of Purple Rain?

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Didn't his ears suffer from his decades in the music business?

This dude that did the remaster (with P'd approval) wasn't actually known as a remastering dude.

So why without further discussion ignore the graphs that have shown the lack of dynamics?

The measurements that accompany the graphs tell the same.

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This release is just a reason for WB to do a proper remaster in a few years time to correct the dynamics problem.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #249 posted 07/25/17 12:18pm

Cinny

kingricefan said:

Cinny said:

kingricefan said: I was dropping my finger to "conduct" the next song, and it was off!

hah! That's funny!

lol

Reply #250 posted 07/25/17 1:41pm

omnithanos

I would have made Purple Rain a double album

Disc 1:

1. Let's Go Crazy (Special Dance Mix)

2. Erotic City (Extended Version)

3. Take Me With U

4. The Beautiful Ones

5. Computer Blue (Hallway Speech Version)

6. Darlin' Nikki

7. Wednesday

8. Possessed

Disc 2:

1. When Doves Cry

2. 17 Days

3. God

4. God (Instrumental)

5. Father's Song

6. I Would Die 4 U

7. Baby I'm a Star

8. Another Lonely Christmas (Extended Version)

9. Purple Rain

Reply #251 posted 07/27/17 12:35pm

Cinny

omnithanos said:

I would have made Purple Rain a double album

Disc 1:

1. Let's Go Crazy (Special Dance Mix)

2. Erotic City (Extended Version)

3. Take Me With U

4. The Beautiful Ones

5. Computer Blue (Hallway Speech Version)

6. Darlin' Nikki

7. Wednesday

8. Possessed

Disc 2:

1. When Doves Cry

2. 17 Days

3. God

4. God (Instrumental)

5. Father's Song

6. I Would Die 4 U

7. Baby I'm a Star

8. Another Lonely Christmas (Extended Version)

9. Purple Rain


this looks good for an iTunes playlist at least.

URL: http://prince.org/msg/7/443892/Purple-Rain-Deluxe-OUT-NOW

Date printed: Mon 18th Dec 2017 1:05am PST