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Reply #30 posted 06/23/17 7:28pm

JoeyCococo

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After normalizing the tracks, I'm not really hearing much - if any - difference. There's nothing to make me think I need to delete my existing tracks. In fact, the slightly harsher sounding end to Let's Go Crazy makes me think I should delete the "remaster".

Actually, I've never really thought Purple Rain needed to be remastered, but I'll spend a bit more time comparing the two.





The remaster is TERRIBLE. Sorry to say but it bleeds...distorts and is painful t times. As...one of the most amazing albums ever...i swear I hear distortion on Purple Rain. How could this happen
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Reply #31 posted 06/23/17 8:09pm

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You can label the changes all you want, all I hear is a volume and base increase. I did that myself years ago.

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Reply #32 posted 06/23/17 8:51pm

luvgirl

This sounds really vivid to me. I think it's excellent quality and I'm satisfied..
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Reply #33 posted 06/23/17 9:16pm

JoeyCococo

luvgirl said:

This sounds really vivid to me. I think it's excellent quality and I'm satisfied..


Do not mean to offend. For those into HIFI...this sounds terrible. We listen to music differently.
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Reply #34 posted 06/23/17 9:26pm

funkycomic

I think the remaster sound is great!
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Reply #35 posted 06/24/17 12:55am

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Warner chose the wrong version of The Dance Electric (no guitar distorted, on the 2014 leaked version, theres an amazing guitar from 3:43 and on, this is missing on the Expanded version! and, also - there's no Wendy & Lisa backing voices, on the Expanded version).

And I understand (from another thread) theres an error in the intro to Erotic City (Extended). eek

Also an error, a hole in the music in right channel in Computer Blue (Hallway speech (Extended)), at 3:34.

I am only writing, listing from others, in another thread.... but....


How in the whole world can these mistakes happen..... sigh at Warner Bros.


cry



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[Edited 6/24/17 0:58am]

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Reply #36 posted 06/24/17 1:02am

luvgirl

JoeyCococo said:

luvgirl said:

This sounds really vivid to me. I think it's excellent quality and I'm satisfied..


Do not mean to offend. For those into HIFI...this sounds terrible. We listen to music differently.


Really? It sounds great to me, lol. Definitely better than what I had before, and with that I'm content.
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Reply #37 posted 06/24/17 1:21am

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My 1984 cassette sounds better than this shit...
This shit makes me believe a midget with a Linn Drum lives inside of my left ear...

Neversin.

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Reply #38 posted 06/24/17 3:16am

antonb

The remaster sounds better to me too. No complaints. I have enjoyed the whole thing really.
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Reply #39 posted 06/24/17 4:24am

maceoparker007

Some people say it sounds great and others say its not great. It all depends on what equipment you use to listen to it on AND to some extent how old you are....

yep the older you get the more your ears are unlikely to pickup the intricate details and layers within the music....e.g the smallest tinkle of a cymbal in the background, the slighest breathe of Prince or the depth of every string plucked in every cord.

At some point your ears simply wont be able to register these differences anymore....similar analogy is needing reading glasses as you get older....or adding more seasoning to your food because your taste buds have died off.

Your senses degrade over time no matter who you are...when you get older you will find you add more chilli or salt and pepper to your food.

So I can see why some people are loving the new remaster...its basically been 'spiced up' or 'artifically sweetened' depending on how you look at it...and your senses are responding to it because thats what you now need to get your 'kick'....but the reality is you have basically altered the recipe to your liking and is totally different to what the chef (i.e Prince) created.

Sorry if this offends but its true.

[Edited 6/24/17 4:29am]

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Reply #40 posted 06/24/17 5:27am

rogifan

luvgirl said:

This sounds really vivid to me. I think it's excellent quality and I'm satisfied..

Well according to some here....to tweak a Steve Jobs phrase...you're listening to it wrong. lol
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Reply #41 posted 06/24/17 5:28am

Bishop31

I've learned that most people confuse "LOUDER" with better. It's really not.

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Reply #42 posted 06/24/17 5:29am

Adorecream

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I wanted to see exactly what Joshua did with the "Remaster". So, I uploaded this into my Ableton Software that I use to Mix/Master my own music. If you look at my screenshot above, you will see the difference in the dynamics on the New (Top) and Original (Bottom). You will notice how the New Master is on some parts totally dark, which means it literally has no dynamics. He CRANKED TF out of this album. All he did was RAISE THE VOLUME. So, don't confuse louder with better. The AES Standard, which suggests the Loudness Level Standards for music, their standard is -16. "Lets Go Crazy" was -6.6. That's -10db higher than the AES Standard. That's absolute garbage, and frankly unprofessional.

Apple Music standard is -16 and Spotify is -14. Both streaming sites will have to lower the levels of this album. Which means it will sound like a Squashed Turd.

No disrespect, but seriously what is the point of these types of posts. I mean we are not audio technicians and boffins and most are music fans wanting to join the music, who cares if a commercially rereleased copy of a 33 year old album does not meet your scientific standards.

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This type of audile snobbery makes those of us with budget and basic musical systems along with basic knowledge of musical waves or whatever the fuck you call this shit, look like clueless morons. What is the point of this shit?

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Do you guys actually enjoy music or just analyse with 5000 waves of subamicrons and xugalotles or something. This is like reading medieval cyrillic to someone like me.

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Reply #43 posted 06/24/17 5:34am

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Waveforms are visual evidence of terrible compression and loss of dynamics ruining good music. What's the point of posts like that? So that we can SEE that what we're hearing -- brickwalled horseshit -- is sadly true. Without posts like that, we'd just be arguing about whose ears are better or what audio gear we're using. Well, here's some fucking evidence. It doesn't mean you can't enjoy the remaster or even prefer it to the old CD. Hell, the remaster might even be more appealing to people who only listen to music on their iPhones with cheap earbuds. But there's no denying the awful loss of dynamics on the remaster. The evidence is right there.
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Reply #44 posted 06/24/17 6:05am

ozone14

^^exactly. We are just explaining why we don't like the sound. I guarantee, if the people who say they like the remaster heard it mastered with more dynamic range, they'd prefer that because when the sound is brick walked like it is on this ,details of the recording get watered out. Listen to the Linn Drums on WDC and then "Love And Sex". Which sounds better?
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Reply #45 posted 06/24/17 6:24am

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>patiently waiting for the announcement for Josh Welton's EDM remix for Purple rain
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Reply #46 posted 06/24/17 7:27am

Bishop31

Adorecream said:

Bishop31 said:

I wanted to see exactly what Joshua did with the "Remaster". So, I uploaded this into my Ableton Software that I use to Mix/Master my own music. If you look at my screenshot above, you will see the difference in the dynamics on the New (Top) and Original (Bottom). You will notice how the New Master is on some parts totally dark, which means it literally has no dynamics. He CRANKED TF out of this album. All he did was RAISE THE VOLUME. So, don't confuse louder with better. The AES Standard, which suggests the Loudness Level Standards for music, their standard is -16. "Lets Go Crazy" was -6.6. That's -10db higher than the AES Standard. That's absolute garbage, and frankly unprofessional.

Apple Music standard is -16 and Spotify is -14. Both streaming sites will have to lower the levels of this album. Which means it will sound like a Squashed Turd.

No disrespect, but seriously what is the point of these types of posts. I mean we are not audio technicians and boffins and most are music fans wanting to join the music, who cares if a commercially rereleased copy of a 33 year old album does not meet your scientific standards.

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This type of audile snobbery makes those of us with budget and basic musical systems along with basic knowledge of musical waves or whatever the fuck you call this shit, look like clueless morons. What is the point of this shit?

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Do you guys actually enjoy music or just analyse with 5000 waves of subamicrons and xugalotles or something. This is like reading medieval cyrillic to someone like me.

I ran this test AFTER listening to it. It sounded like a compressed pile of horse poop, so I wanted to check and see why. And the reason why is because someone (Josh) who obviously doesn't know what he was doing, raised the volume and killed the dynamics. Professional Mastering Engineers have techniques to raise the perceived volume of a song without killing the dynamics. Neither Josh or Prince had any clue how to Master an album. This is the result. Unprofessional sound. I'm not trying to come off as an "audio snob". Having a degree in Recording Engineering, I'm simply pointing out that this is not a good mastering product. Simply put, louder is not always better.

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Reply #47 posted 06/24/17 7:42am

ChrisLacy1990

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The long-awaited Purple Rain Deluxe is out now.

You can listen on Spotify here. You can purchase it on Amazon, in your local record store, or via the official website at www.officialprincemusic.com

This thread is for discussing the remastered first disc, only.

DISC 2 (VAULT) - DISCUSSION HERE

DISC 3 (EDITS/EXTENDED) - DISCUSSION HERE

DISC 4 (DVD) - DISCUSSION HERE

PACKAGING/LINER NOTES - DISCUSSION HERE




Purple Rain has become so intricately sewn into the fabric of pop culture that we rarely sit back and look at how the original songs measure up when separated from the movie. Guitar heroics? Check (“Let’s Go Crazy,” “Computer Blue,” “Purple Rain”). A radiant beam of sunshine pop? Check (“Take Me with U”). Sweat-drenched balladry aching with desire and longing? Double-check (“The Beautiful Ones”). A throat-shredding, X-rated escapade which single-handedly birthed the Parental Advisory sticker? Done (“Darling Nikki”). How about a pocket-sized, synthpop gem made for pumping fists at the ceiling yet appropriate for a Sunday morning sermon? You got it (“I Would Die 4 U”). Finally, a scorchingly bitter masterpiece that aims for the Billboard rafters without sacrificing an ounce of integrity or creativity? Bullseye (“When Doves Cry”). As a musical Halloween of sounds and styles from various eras, Purple Rain is a genre unto itself.

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Reply #48 posted 06/24/17 8:08am

BookofVictor

It's really a shame that this (or any other album) doesn't get the respect it deserves with these terrible masters. Are they really mastering albums to the 1" speaker on kid's phones?

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Reply #49 posted 06/24/17 8:34am

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I was a little shocked when I heard this remaster. I had no idea how someone like Bernie Grundman could come up with something like this. Now I learned it was Joshua Welton...and am even more shocked. I mean, this is one of the most succesful and most famous albums ever by one of the most succesful and most famous artists ever. It´s both a late anniversary of Purple Rain and a late first anniversary of Prince´ death. And they are not even hiring a proper mastering engineer? I don´t know what to think of that.

On the plus side I like the clarity of the record, so you can locate the instruments better and hear what everybody plays. But imho he took it too far and made it sound like a demo. And he fvcked up the top end. Totally. This is a beginners fault and to me it´s pretty annoying. The vocals and some guitar solos are nothing but harsh to an uncomfortable level.

I´m fine with the other CDs, since these were actual demos from unknown sources. I didn´t expect them to sound "produced", but actually they sound better than expected. Of course something like Erotic City must not happen, especially if they had access to the official Version of the "Let´s go crazy" CD-Single. But I don´t know if they had.

Adorecream said:

No disrespect, but seriously what is the point of these types of posts. I mean we are not audio technicians and boffins and most are music fans wanting to join the music, who cares if a commercially rereleased copy of a 33 year old album does not meet your scientific standards.

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This type of audile snobbery makes those of us with budget and basic musical systems along with basic knowledge of musical waves or whatever the fuck you call this shit, look like clueless morons. What is the point of this shit?

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Do you guys actually enjoy music or just analyse with 5000 waves of subamicrons and xugalotles or something. This is like reading medieval cyrillic to someone like me.

Why would you feel like a moron if you see something you´re not familiar with (yet) or don´t even care about? The great thing in life is that we can always learn smile

If you´re happy with the release and its sound - that´s perfect. But some of us aren´t. And that has nothing to do with snobbery.

Of course we/I enjoy music. One thing I love especially about Prince is the dozens of hidden things happening in the background. I listen to his records I know for 20+ years and still find something new. The problem is: With an average loudness of -6,6dB (as mentioned above) there is no background. It means the quietest and the loudest parts are just 6,6dB apart. There is no dynamic range. Unfortunately -6 to -8dB is the average loudness of current Pop records. To achieve such numbers you have to start at the writing and arranging stage, but obvioulsy that´s not possible if doing a (re)master. So the only way to come up with -6 in mastering is squashing the life out of it, which happend here. And the sad thing is - you hear it. There is even audible distortion in Purple Rain and I think Let´s go crazy, and that is the worst case. This is something that must not happen. Ever! With todays software it actually can not happen at all, so he obviously used outboard gear (of course) and didn´t gain stage properly (meaning he didn´t set the volume sending to his gear to a suitable level). These are actual beginners faults and I´m fascinated, that this happens on and to a record like Purple Rain.

I´d be interested in hearing from someone who bought the vinyl, since this should have a seperate mastering. Is this just as bad? (In case they didn´t went the cheap oldschool way and just snipped hi- and low-end).

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Reply #50 posted 06/24/17 10:14am

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Bishop31 said:

I ran this test AFTER listening to it. It sounded like a compressed pile of horse poop, so I wanted to check and see why. And the reason why is because someone (Josh) who obviously doesn't know what he was doing, raised the volume and killed the dynamics.

I don't even have a degree in anything, but I have ears, which I assume people who master records also have. The hard ending on Let's Go Crazy sounded AWESOME on the original master (hell, even on my old cassette copy), but this version sounds like someone recorded a tornado ripping through a basement. There's just nothing there but noise. Why does this happen? Do people just not care anymore?

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Reply #51 posted 06/24/17 10:44am

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[Edited 6/24/17 10:45am]
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Reply #52 posted 06/24/17 10:46am

Bishop31

SLP said:

Bishop31 said:

I ran this test AFTER listening to it. It sounded like a compressed pile of horse poop, so I wanted to check and see why. And the reason why is because someone (Josh) who obviously doesn't know what he was doing, raised the volume and killed the dynamics.

I don't even have a degree in anything, but I have ears, which I assume people who master records also have. The hard ending on Let's Go Crazy sounded AWESOME on the original master (hell, even on my old cassette copy), but this version sounds like someone recorded a tornado ripping through a basement. There's just nothing there but noise. Why does this happen? Do people just not care anymore?

I would assume Prince has great ears. Which leads me to believe he didn't care at all about this project. Because, if he heard it, he wouldn't think it sounded very pleasant. That leads me to believe he didn't listen to this at all. He wanted to give this to WB, so he could get his music and be done with them.

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Reply #53 posted 06/24/17 10:48am

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rogifan said:

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I'd honestly love to hear his story on the approach to this remaster and what he/Prince were trying to improve upon.
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Reply #54 posted 06/24/17 10:49am

206Michelle

Is it just me, or does the remastered version of The Beautiful Ones sound INCREDIBLE? I kept skipping back and forth between the original and the remaster, and I can't pinpoint what exactly is different, but the remastered version is clearer, fuller, and the synths sound AMAZING! It sounds like there's a full-blown orchestra playing. I'm listening via Spotify on my iPhone.

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Reply #55 posted 06/24/17 11:09am

Bishop31

rogifan said:

[Edited 6/24/17 10:45am]

I responded to his Tweet with my thoughts on the ReMaster lacking dynamics. It's important he hears it, and is not lied to with this "Oh, it sounds awesome" fandom. Louder does not equal better. "Let's Go Crazy" was almost 10db over the AES standards for Loudness levels. Thats awful.

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Reply #56 posted 06/24/17 11:12am

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Bishop31 said:

rogifan said:

[Edited 6/24/17 10:45am]

I responded to his Tweet with my thoughts on the ReMaster lacking dynamics. It's important he hears it, and is not lied to with this "Oh, it sounds awesome" fandom. Louder does not equal better. "Let's Go Crazy" was almost 10db over the AES standards for Loudness levels. Thats awful.

So they didnt get that 11 was satire?

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
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Reply #57 posted 06/24/17 11:21am

maceoparker007

Bishop31 said:

rogifan said:

[Edited 6/24/17 10:45am]

I responded to his Tweet with my thoughts on the ReMaster lacking dynamics. It's important he hears it, and is not lied to with this "Oh, it sounds awesome" fandom. Louder does not equal better. "Let's Go Crazy" was almost 10db over the AES standards for Loudness levels. Thats awful.


Yep I made a comment too....gotta to say how it is.

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Reply #58 posted 06/24/17 11:36am

coltrane3

One of my biggest takeaways from this deluxe edition is how great the original album is. Obviously, most of the focus is on Disc 2, which has all of the previously unreleased tracks. But, getting this deluxe set made me listen to Purple Rain from front to back in one listening again; hadn't done that in a while. Wow, what a great album.

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Reply #59 posted 06/24/17 11:45am

rogifan

Bishop31 said:



rogifan said:


[Edited 6/24/17 10:45am]


I responded to his Tweet with my thoughts on the ReMaster lacking dynamics. It's important he hears it, and is not lied to with this "Oh, it sounds awesome" fandom. Louder does not equal better. "Let's Go Crazy" was almost 10db over the AES standards for Loudness levels. Thats awful.


It's good that he gets honest feedback but if someone is enjoying it what's the lie?
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