1Sasha said:

The same history books that talk about Jimi Hendrix and Jim Morrison, for example. In a similar but not the same fashion: Kurt Cobain. Nirvana changed music, but what people remember is the gun blast. I personally don't know one person whose first thought of Prince is "great music" - they all think "drug overdose." They don't care why or how: that is the period at the end of that sentence.

The history books will change. In 200 years, they will reflect he was 'the Mozart of pop', but he lived 22 years longer.

Further, from a musical point of view, if you're that prolific at age 57 then you're done.

fortuneandserendipity said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

CandyCool said:

laurarichardson said: I think that could be possible. However, would that silent member, having become active, then not be listed as an active member? Right now only Comerica is listed as an active member. https://www.corporationwi...llc#people

What if members want to remain anonymous? You can have members who are not known and remember Tyka and Omarr were the ones trying to kept Van in the loop and now Van is in charge of a charity arm of Tidal.

I am not a big believer in concidences and in the case of Prince's death we have seen about 100 concidences.

laurarichardson said:

CandyCool said:

laurarichardson said: I think that could be possible. However, would that silent member, having become active, then not be listed as an active member? Right now only Comerica is listed as an active member. https://www.corporationwi...llc#people

What if members want to remain anonymous? You can have members who are not known and remember Tyka and Omarr were the ones trying to kept Van in the loop and now Van is in charge of a charity arm of Tidal.

I am not a big believer in concidences and in the case of Prince's death we have seen about 100 concidences.

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ok I'm looking at the link. Signed up, found a couple of interesting things, like what's still active.

1Sasha said:

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I know you really want Ps money to go to a charity.

The Court documents show P was the "sole member" of NPG LLC.

As I indicated up above silent members (partners) to a LLC provide capital to the LLC but do not want to be involved in the day to day business management. Silent members (partners) own a % of the LLC. If P wanted to leave money to a charity having the charity be a silent member is not a legally sound way to go. Furthermore, do you really think P would make a charity a silent member to his Masters, Copyrights, and Compositions after he fought so hard to get them returned to him, and the charity would be able to dictate to him what he did with his work?

How do you explain the registration paperwork? How do you explain Tidal's claims that someone had POA for Prince. I think his stituation changed and he had to make some changes.

What specifically are you referring to when you speak of the registration papers?

The attorneys for Tidal never once mention a POA in any filings, documents, emails, or letters filed in the Probate claim.

The only time I saw a POA mentioned was in a news article after NPG Music and NPG Publishing filed a lawsuit against Tidal in Federal Court for copyright infringement. Tidal was the source of this information to the news organization from what I recall.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said: How do you explain the registration paperwork? How do you explain Tidal's claims that someone had POA for Prince. I think his stituation changed and he had to make some changes.

What specifically are you referring to when you speak of the registration papers?

The attorneys for Tidal never once mention a POA in any filings, documents, emails, or letters filed in the Probate claim.

The only time I saw a POA mentioned was in a news article after NPG Music and NPG Publishing filed a lawsuit against Tidal in Federal Court for copyright infringement. Tidal was the source of this information to the news organization from what I recall.

Can you decipher the bolded ISLIJAG ?

from page 33 http://www.mncourts.gov/m...randum.pdf

To me this reads Power Of Attorney goes to whoever is/was running NPGMP

In my mind..Phaedra was in that position as Manager of NPGMP and on April 27 she was somehow edged out .....

Given that NPGMP and NPGM are both Linked to Dream Corps anyone with Half a Brain can see that Prince was setting something up that would create a secure and ongoing revenue Stream.

I think that some one didnt like that idea, but Im betting that there is something very water tight

in place that we may never get to know about..

Helping people was what United Van and Prince...Vans gone to Tidal...hes Helping People from there....VAn once said..Its very easy to be Robin when you have someone Like Prince behind you as Batman.

6. POWER OF ATTORNEY:: Writer hereby irrevocably authorizes, empowers and appoints Publisher or any of its officers Writer’s true and lawful attorney (with full power of substitution and delegation), in Writer's name, and in Writer’s place and stead, or in Publisher‘s name, to take and do such action, and to make, sign, execute, acknowledge and deliver any and all instruments or documents, which Publisher from time to time may deem desirable or necessary to vest in Publisher, its successors and assigns, all of the rights or interests granted by Writer hereunder, including, without limitation, such documents as Publisher shall deem desirable or necessary to secure to Publisher, its successors and assigns, the worldwide copyrights for all Compositions for the entire term of copyright and for any and all renewals and extensions under any present or future laws throughout the Universe. The foregoing Power of Attorney is irrevocable and deemed coupled with an interest.

There is nothing in the Court records/documents that show NPG Music or NPG Publishing gave Tidal or anyone else POA.

Lovejunky said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Can you decipher the bolded ISLIJAG ?

from page 33 http://www.mncourts.gov/m...randum.pdf

To me this reads Power Of Attorney goes to whoever is/was running NPGMP

In my mind..Phaedra was in that position as Manager of NPGMP and on April 27 she was somehow edged out .....

Given that NPGMP and NPGM are both Linked to Dream Corps anyone with Half a Brain can see that Prince was setting something up that would create a secure and ongoing revenue Stream.

I think that some one didnt like that idea, but Im betting that there is something very water tight

in place that we may never get to know about..

Helping people was what United Van and Prince...Vans gone to Tidal...hes Helping People from there....VAn once said..Its very easy to be Robin when you have someone Like Prince behind you as Batman.

6. POWER OF ATTORNEY:: Writer hereby irrevocably authorizes, empowers and appoints Publisher or any of its officers Writer’s true and lawful attorney (with full power of substitution and delegation), in Writer's name, and in Writer’s place and stead, or in Publisher‘s name, to take and do such action, and to make, sign, execute, acknowledge and deliver any and all instruments or documents, which Publisher from time to time may deem desirable or necessary to vest in Publisher, its successors and assigns, all of the rights or interests granted by Writer hereunder, including, without limitation, such documents as Publisher shall deem desirable or necessary to secure to Publisher, its successors and assigns, the worldwide copyrights for all Compositions for the entire term of copyright and for any and all renewals and extensions under any present or future laws throughout the Universe. The foregoing Power of Attorney is irrevocable and deemed coupled with an interest.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

There is nothing in the Court records/documents that show NPG Music or NPG Publishing gave Tidal or anyone else POA.

Lovejunky said:

and yet Tidal claims that someone had POA

and according to the bolded POA was given by the WRITER to NPGMP or any of its officers

and it is signed by Prince (writer) and PRN (Publisher ).

Wait and watch

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame, the Exhibit A agreement on page 33 of this document reads to me as between NPG Music (which, as you've noted, was managed exclusively by Prince) and Prince, as an individual person. And the first page of the document says "Prince Rogers Nelson (Individual/Writer) executed an Exclusive Songwriter Agreement with Prince Rogers Nelson (Manager/Member of NPG Music Publishing, LLC) on or about April 4, 2014, titled ‘Exclusive Songwriter Agreement (Exhibit A)."

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I assume such a contract-with-himself would be for legal/liability reasons that I don't know about but I'm sure you oould shed light on.

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(The document as a whole is such a nonsensical attempt of this guy to claim ownership of Prince's catalog that I don't know if any statements in it can be trusted.)

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

There is nothing in the Court records/documents that show NPG Music or NPG Publishing gave Tidal or anyone else POA.

Lovejunky said:

1) People here seem DESPERATE to believe Prince wanted/intended part of his estate to go to the charities he believed in;

2) People here seem DESPERATELY unhappy at the thought that his hard-earned millions will go ONLY to family members, several of whom he wasn't close to (didn't one even mention that she had never been to PP?!?);

3) Many people here are determined to believe, in the face of no evidence, that Prince had a brilliant master plan put in place for his estate that far surpassed anything a competant, experienced legal team could have designed specifically for him;

4) People here believe that because he put 'Slave' on his face and talked obsessively about regaining control of his 'masters' that he cared enough about his masters to protect them in the event of his death.

5) Many people believe that because he spoke of his songs as his "children" that he would be a protective 'parent' to them.

Maybe it's time to face reality.

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Bodhitheblackdog said:

said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

1) People here seem DESPERATE to believe Prince wanted/intended part of his estate to go to the charities he believed in;

2) People here seem DESPERATELY unhappy at the thought that his hard-earned millions will go ONLY to family members, several of whom he wasn't close to (didn't one even mention that she had never been to PP?!?);

3) Many people here are determined to believe, in the face of no evidence, that Prince had a brilliant master plan put in place for his estate that far surpassed anything a competant, experienced legal team could have designed specifically for him;

4) People here believe that because he put 'Slave' on his face and talked obsessively about regaining control of his 'masters' that he cared enough about his masters to protect them in the event of his death.

5) Many people believe that because he spoke of his songs as his "children" that he would be a protective 'parent' to them.

Maybe it's time to face reality.

And certain other people here obsessively knock Prince every time they refer to anything about him, desperate to drag him as much and as often as possible. I've faced that reality

disch said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame, the Exhibit A agreement on page 33 of this document reads to me as between NPG Music (which, as you've noted, was managed exclusively by Prince) and Prince, as an individual person. And the first page of the document says "Prince Rogers Nelson (Individual/Writer) executed an Exclusive Songwriter Agreement with Prince Rogers Nelson (Manager/Member of NPG Music Publishing, LLC) on or about April 4, 2014, titled ‘Exclusive Songwriter Agreement (Exhibit A)."

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I assume such a contract-with-himself would be for legal/liability reasons that I don't know about but I'm sure you oould shed light on.

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(The document as a whole is such a nonsensical attempt of this guy to claim ownership of Prince's catalog that I don't know if any statements in it can be trusted.)

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

There is nothing in the Court records/documents that show NPG Music or NPG Publishing gave Tidal or anyone else POA.

In a nutshell everything disch says is correct.

Also, we have no idea where this document originated. It was not certified.

And it is a piss poor copy of a document.

I dont trust anything Dixon filed.
Just because Tidal says its so doesnt mean it is so.

The Estate thought they had enough ammo to file a copyright infringement lawsuit against Tidal.

Unfortunately the law IS based on things being clear-cut. Convoluted, mysterious, enigmatic "plans" aren't a smart way to prepare things that are going to be adjudicated in a court setting. In music and lyrics, sure. In the court and law, no.

laurarichardson said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

1) People here seem DESPERATE to believe Prince wanted/intended part of his estate to go to the charities he believed in;

2) People here seem DESPERATELY unhappy at the thought that his hard-earned millions will go ONLY to family members, several of whom he wasn't close to (didn't one even mention that she had never been to PP?!?);

3) Many people here are determined to believe, in the face of no evidence, that Prince had a brilliant master plan put in place for his estate that far surpassed anything a competant, experienced legal team could have designed specifically for him;

4) People here believe that because he put 'Slave' on his face and talked obsessively about regaining control of his 'masters' that he cared enough about his masters to protect them in the event of his death.

5) Many people believe that because he spoke of his songs as his "children" that he would be a protective 'parent' to them.

Maybe it's time to face reality.

No to all five. Some people can't see that things are not clear cut.

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

Thanks for this Mumio.you are right

Phaedra was essentially thrown out !

Now that we are seeing that the LLC is seperate to probate, I wonder what will happen

becasue technically Bremer had no right to step in and even if they did have the right

why on earth would you Get Rid of Phaedra when she is the person who knows more than anyone

what Prince was doing with his LLC

Mumio said:

Lovejunky, I am not a lawyer so I could be wrong, hopefully ISLIJAG comes along and corrects if needed, but I don't believe that Phaedra Ellis-Lamkins stepped aside of her own volition. Prince's death is what dictated that move because the estate became responsible for NPG Music and the estate (Bremer) notified her that her position was terminated as a result. I believe she indicated she never received that initial letter from Bremer and there may have been actions she took in the role she still thought she was in that caused her concern. I believe that was why she needed that confirmation that she faced no potential liability. I can't blame her for wanting that confirmation.


ETA: Here is the document which includes a copy of the letter Bremer sent Phaedra in May 2016: http://www.mncourts.gov/m...s-1-3).pdf

Lovejunky said:

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Bodhitheblackdog said:

moonsister said:

said:

rogifan said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

1) People here seem DESPERATE to believe Prince wanted/intended part of his estate to go to the charities he believed in;

2) People here seem DESPERATELY unhappy at the thought that his hard-earned millions will go ONLY to family members, several of whom he wasn't close to (didn't one even mention that she had never been to PP?!?);

3) Many people here are determined to believe, in the face of no evidence, that Prince had a brilliant master plan put in place for his estate that far surpassed anything a competant, experienced legal team could have designed specifically for him;

4) People here believe that because he put 'Slave' on his face and talked obsessively about regaining control of his 'masters' that he cared enough about his masters to protect them in the event of his death.

5) Many people believe that because he spoke of his songs as his "children" that he would be a protective 'parent' to them.

Maybe it's time to face reality.

Not sure about 4 & 5 but yes to 1, 2 & 3.

Prince2Elohim,

Song snippets on words from Prince;

Better X survive, No need to hide, Music never lies, Your words not mine, Maybe you have no business writing on my wall, Through you the ball, Sacred is the prayer that ask for nothing, It was part of the plan, To the truth we most often shared, Living up to what people said, 2 drops of water from the same sea, Your gonna see me, Expect me to freak on you a little more, Through the bridle path door, Remedy for sorrow, when I'm alone I dream about you, Loving you in silence never ending kiss, Your tong is a great persuader, You've come a long way, Grace any stage, Could pass some weight,

I'm writing from the depth of my heart let Van Jones distribute Prince wealth !!!

Please, by 2021 make him President of the United States of America !!!

Van Jones alway's gives more then he takes, even the fakes who flaunt will not flake out

I'm content with nothing called bliss

Hilversum or Hollywood take note, as the story unfolds

My pain runs deeper then a black hole

Questions folks?

No Comment !!!

morningsong said:

So everything that's happening with NPG Music is not in the court docs, so nobody knows the full story of what's going on there?

Correct...

some of us are specualting by tryyna think like Prince