Bodhitheblackdog said:

disch said:

if Prince wanted to guarantee his money went to charity (or any other specific purposes) he could have worked with qualified lawyers to set up a solid plan to make that happen. I don't personally buy the idea that setting up a clear estate plan is pointless because his relatives would just ignore it. The law is the law and his relatives have never given me the impression that they have access to such legal wizardry that they could find a way to negate a well-formulated estate plan crafted by qualified lawyers (key words: well-formalated, and qualified)

You are so right, disch, but every time I tell MY truth, that Prince was a careless guy, careless with his heart and those of others, careless with his money and artistic legacy (where's the plan for the orderly, professional curation and release of the contents of the vault?), careless with the truth and, in the end, his health and life....my musings have a statistically improbable propensity for getting a thread locked or 'disappeaed' like the Mods are channeling members of the Argentine junta. But I digress. The 'need' here on the Org. to 'protect' Prince by banishing, shutting-off or stifiling free expression is counter-productive as I know other 'versions' of the Prince story are about to burst onto the culture at large and it's a disservice TO THE ORG. to shut up those who want to explore those avenues here because it allows 'not MY Prince' members to live in a La La Land of denial.Not a good look. Never works long haul. Is silly and immature. Bottom line: this great , much-loved musical savant died without a will, alone,weighing 112 lbs. of a drug overdose. That's what the history books will say.

Your "bottom line" summary has been said - and left to stand - over and over here on the org. Nothing new or particularly insightful in those words. What history books are you so concerned with?

The same history books that talk about Jimi Hendrix and Jim Morrison, for example. In a similar but not the same fashion: Kurt Cobain. Nirvana changed music, but what people remember is the gun blast. I personally don't know one person whose first thought of Prince is "great music" - they all think "drug overdose." They don't care why or how: that is the period at the end of that sentence.

1Sasha said:

The same history books that talk about Jimi Hendrix and Jim Morrison, for example. In a similar but not the same fashion: Kurt Cobain. Nirvana changed music, but what people remember is the gun blast. I personally don't know one person whose first thought of Prince is "great music" - they all think "drug overdose." They don't care why or how: that is the period at the end of that sentence.

And how are we going to change that? Seems like you and Bod want to keep that going even if to say how unfair it is. What is the point of that?

So everything that's happening with NPG Music is not in the court docs, so nobody knows the full story of what's going on there?

1Sasha said:

The same history books that talk about Jimi Hendrix and Jim Morrison, for example. In a similar but not the same fashion: Kurt Cobain. Nirvana changed music, but what people remember is the gun blast. I personally don't know one person whose first thought of Prince is "great music" - they all think "drug overdose." They don't care why or how: that is the period at the end of that sentence.

YES, 1Sasha and that's why it's so sad when juicy threads that try to paint a more nuanced picture of Prince get locked We who loved/love him are trying to put his behaviors/choices into a kinder/gentler context...we're not bashing him. I try to thrash out a more loving narrative specifically to counter the 'dead, druggie rock star' story. To me personally, the most stupendous story EVER in rock and even popular culture is how this rejected, semi-poor, not formally educated, tiny, sexually confused/ambiguous, genetically compromised, kid from Minnie had the vision and determination to re-create himself as a sexy, wealthy, gorgeous, successful, world-famous, musically astounding "Prince.' BUT, to tell this tale , one cannot ignore the darker aspects..they are the truth, too.

morningsong said:

So everything that's happening with NPG Music is not in the court docs, so nobody knows the full story of what's going on there?

They are mentioned in the Court Inventory and Accounting but $$ is redacted.

1Sasha said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

1Sasha said:

The same history books that talk about Jimi Hendrix and Jim Morrison, for example. In a similar but not the same fashion: Kurt Cobain. Nirvana changed music, but what people remember is the gun blast. I personally don't know one person whose first thought of Prince is "great music" - they all think "drug overdose." They don't care why or how: that is the period at the end of that sentence.

YES, 1Sasha and that's why it's so sad when juicy threads that try to paint a more nuanced picture of Prince get locked We who loved/love him are trying to put his behaviors/choices into a kinder/gentler context...we're not bashing him. I try to thrash out a more loving narrative specifically to counter the 'dead, druggie rock star' story. To me personally, the most stupendous story EVER in rock and even popular culture is how this rejected, semi-poor, not formally educated, tiny, sexually confused/ambiguous, genetically compromised, kid from Minnie had the vision and determination to re-create himself as a sexy, wealthy, gorgeous, successful, world-famous, musically astounding "Prince.' BUT, to tell this tale , one cannot ignore the darker aspects..they are the truth, too.

Prince's story is unique, and the comparison to Mozart is appropriate IMO. But we don't know the whole story. Why do people not want to know? We aren't in it for salacious details - we simply want to know the truth, to know why this man who was the best musician of all time ended up as he did.

I was just on Facebook - reading one of the two Prince FB groups I belong to. Both subscribe to the "no negative issues/comments" - many of the followers meet up in Chanhassen and act like kids in a candy store. I have not got beyond the wrenchingly sad feeling that PP is a sacred place and should be treated as such. I am not at the laughter stage.

1Sasha said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

YES, 1Sasha and that's why it's so sad when juicy threads that try to paint a more nuanced picture of Prince get locked We who loved/love him are trying to put his behaviors/choices into a kinder/gentler context...we're not bashing him. I try to thrash out a more loving narrative specifically to counter the 'dead, druggie rock star' story. To me personally, the most stupendous story EVER in rock and even popular culture is how this rejected, semi-poor, not formally educated, tiny, sexually confused/ambiguous, genetically compromised, kid from Minnie had the vision and determination to re-create himself as a sexy, wealthy, gorgeous, successful, world-famous, musically astounding "Prince.' BUT, to tell this tale , one cannot ignore the darker aspects..they are the truth, too.

Prince's story is unique, and the comparison to Mozart is appropriate IMO. But we don't know the whole story. Why do people not want to know? We aren't in it for salacious details - we simply want to know the truth, to know why this man who was the best musician of all time ended up as he did.

I was just on Facebook - reading one of the two Prince FB groups I belong to. Both subscribe to the "no negative issues/comments" - many of the followers meet up in Chanhassen and act like kids in a candy store. I have not got beyond the wrenchingly sad feeling that PP is a sacred place and should be treated as such. I am not at the laughter stage.

Once again you ignore facts because you think you know everything. The only thing that would have assurred that money went to charity would have been a trust and even those can be tied up in court. This has happened with the Ray Charles estate. Ray had a will and he put some money into a trust for charities for blind children. His greedy children and baby mammas have kept the trust tied up in court for a little over a decade. Most people and I am sure Ray as well do obtain competent people for estate planning it does not mean greedy relatives and outsiders will not try and disrupt proceedsing for the sole purpose of being spitful.

If Prince had a will whoever he choose to leave anything to is free to do as they please once they inherit and whoever inherits can certainly obtain legal advice to run the LLC as an ongoing business enterprise or disolve it.

We know one so-called competent lawyer who has already disrupted contracts to put money in his pocket and greedy relatives who are happy were happy to let him do it. So much for competent how about we find someone ethical.

You kept babbling about well informend. Prince used Rhonda Trotter to work on the LLC she gets $800.00 dollars an hour and is the tops in the IP field so he had competent people.

The world and nothing in it is black and white. Not for Prince and not for anyone.

disch said:

if Prince wanted to guarantee his money went to charity (or any other specific purposes) he could have worked with qualified lawyers to set up a solid plan to make that happen. I don't personally buy the idea that setting up a clear estate plan is pointless because his relatives would just ignore it. The law is the law and his relatives have never given me the impression that they have access to such legal wizardry that they could find a way to negate a well-formulated estate plan crafted by qualified lawyers (key words: well-formalated, and qualified)

Bodhitheblackdog said:

I agree, LR, let this saga be a lesson to us all: 'It is better to receive gifts from a warm hand than a cold one.' It would be ironic if, at the end, Prince's truest memorial were to exist in the fulfillment of the talk in Minnie that some of the estate tax windfall will be earmarked for music education. Hold that thought.

1Sasha said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

YES, 1Sasha and that's why it's so sad when juicy threads that try to paint a more nuanced picture of Prince get locked We who loved/love him are trying to put his behaviors/choices into a kinder/gentler context...we're not bashing him. I try to thrash out a more loving narrative specifically to counter the 'dead, druggie rock star' story. To me personally, the most stupendous story EVER in rock and even popular culture is how this rejected, semi-poor, not formally educated, tiny, sexually confused/ambiguous, genetically compromised, kid from Minnie had the vision and determination to re-create himself as a sexy, wealthy, gorgeous, successful, world-famous, musically astounding "Prince.' BUT, to tell this tale , one cannot ignore the darker aspects..they are the truth, too.

Prince's story is unique, and the comparison to Mozart is appropriate IMO. But we don't know the whole story. Why do people not want to know? We aren't in it for salacious details - we simply want to know the truth, to know why this man who was the best musician of all time ended up as he did.

I was just on Facebook - reading one of the two Prince FB groups I belong to. Both subscribe to the "no negative issues/comments" - many of the followers meet up in Chanhassen and act like kids in a candy store. I have not got beyond the wrenchingly sad feeling that PP is a sacred place and should be treated as such. I am not at the laughter stage.

Well you think like you do because you are decent person. What normal person would think anything that is going on is something to laugh at.

CandyCool said:

laurarichardson said:

But once again the LLC can have silent members that become active upon the sole members death. What if the silent member was a non-profit like Dream Corps?

I think that could be possible. However, would that silent member, having become active, then not be listed as an active member? Right now only Comerica is listed as an active member. https://www.corporationwi...llc#people

What if members want to remain anonymous? You can have members who are not known and remember Tyka and Omarr were the ones trying to kept Van in the loop and now Van is in charge of a charity arm of Tidal.

I am not a big believer in concidences and in the case of Prince's death we have seen about 100 concidences.

[Edited 8/1/17 11:49am]

[Edited 8/1/17 12:19pm]

laurarichardson said:

CandyCool said:

laurarichardson said: I think that could be possible. However, would that silent member, having become active, then not be listed as an active member? Right now only Comerica is listed as an active member. https://www.corporationwi...llc#people

What if members want to remain anonymous? You can have members who are not known and remember Tyka and Omarr were the ones trying to kept Van in the loop and now Van is in charge of a charity arm of Tidal.

I am not a big believer in concidences and in the case of Prince's death we have seen about 100 concidences.

I know you really want Ps money to go to a charity.

The Court documents show P was the "sole member" of NPG LLC.

As I indicated up above silent members (partners) to a LLC provide capital to the LLC but do not want to be involved in the day to day business management. Silent members (partners) own a % of the LLC. If P wanted to leave money to a charity having the charity be a silent member is not a legally sound way to go. Furthermore, do you really think P would make a charity a silent member to his Masters, Copyrights, and Compositions after he fought so hard to get them returned to him, and the charity would be able to dictate to him what he did with his work?

laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said:

Prince's story is unique, and the comparison to Mozart is appropriate IMO. But we don't know the whole story. Why do people not want to know? We aren't in it for salacious details - we simply want to know the truth, to know why this man who was the best musician of all time ended up as he did.

I was just on Facebook - reading one of the two Prince FB groups I belong to. Both subscribe to the "no negative issues/comments" - many of the followers meet up in Chanhassen and act like kids in a candy store. I have not got beyond the wrenchingly sad feeling that PP is a sacred place and should be treated as such. I am not at the laughter stage.

Well you think like you do because you are decent person. What normal person would think anything that is going on is something to laugh at.

Thank you, LR.

poppys said:

1Sasha said:

The same history books that talk about Jimi Hendrix and Jim Morrison, for example. In a similar but not the same fashion: Kurt Cobain. Nirvana changed music, but what people remember is the gun blast. I personally don't know one person whose first thought of Prince is "great music" - they all think "drug overdose." They don't care why or how: that is the period at the end of that sentence.

And how are we going to change that? Seems like you and Bod want to keep that going even if to say how unfair it is. What is the point of that?

Poppys, I think my main problem is that for all intents and purposes Prince is being consigned to history. Yes, he is gone. But his legacy is in limbo. How or why the end occurred is as important as how he started. JMO

Well, I'm sure Prince isn't the first rich person on earth with "greedy relatives." But most other rich people put the effort into planning their estates and don't say, "why bother? my greedy relatives --who are also apparently secret legal geniusus -- will somehow find a way to negate my legally sound plans. So whatever."

laurarichardson said:

Once again you ignore facts because you think you know everything. The only thing that would have assurred that money went to charity would have been a trust and even those can be tied up in court. This has happened with the Ray Charles estate. Ray had a will and he put some money into a trust for charities for blind children. His greedy children and baby mammas have kept the trust tied up in court for a little over a decade. Most people and I am sure Ray as well do obtain competent people for estate planning it does not mean greedy relatives and outsiders will not try and disrupt proceedsing for the sole purpose of being spitful.

If Prince had a will whoever he choose to leave anything to is free to do as they please once they inherit and whoever inherits can certainly obtain legal advice to run the LLC as an ongoing business enterprise or disolve it.

We know one so-called competent lawyer who has already disrupted contracts to put money in his pocket and greedy relatives who are happy were happy to let him do it. So much for competent how about we find someone ethical.

You kept babbling about well informend. Prince used Rhonda Trotter to work on the LLC she gets $800.00 dollars an hour and is the tops in the IP field so he had competent people.

The world and nothing in it is black and white. Not for Prince and not for anyone.

disch said:

if Prince wanted to guarantee his money went to charity (or any other specific purposes) he could have worked with qualified lawyers to set up a solid plan to make that happen. I don't personally buy the idea that setting up a clear estate plan is pointless because his relatives would just ignore it. The law is the law and his relatives have never given me the impression that they have access to such legal wizardry that they could find a way to negate a well-formulated estate plan crafted by qualified lawyers (key words: well-formalated, and qualified)

laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said:

poppys said:

And how are we going to change that? Seems like you and Bod want to keep that going even if to say how unfair it is. What is the point of that?

Poppys, I think my main problem is that for all intents and purposes Prince is being consigned to history. Yes, he is gone. But his legacy is in limbo. How or why the end occurred is as important as how he started. JMO

So very true. Just in the last 2 weeks, my Google news feed about 'Prince' has gone from daily news stories about his work, artistry, legacy or fellow musicians...to NADA...just storiess about the royal families of Europe. Let that sink in.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

1Sasha said:

The same history books that talk about Jimi Hendrix and Jim Morrison, for example. In a similar but not the same fashion: Kurt Cobain. Nirvana changed music, but what people remember is the gun blast. I personally don't know one person whose first thought of Prince is "great music" - they all think "drug overdose." They don't care why or how: that is the period at the end of that sentence.

YES, 1Sasha and that's why it's so sad when juicy threads that try to paint a more nuanced picture of Prince get locked We who loved/love him are trying to put his behaviors/choices into a kinder/gentler context...we're not bashing him. I try to thrash out a more loving narrative specifically to counter the 'dead, druggie rock star' story. To me personally, the most stupendous story EVER in rock and even popular culture is how this rejected, semi-poor, not formally educated, tiny, sexually confused/ambiguous, genetically compromised, kid from Minnie had the vision and determination to re-create himself as a sexy, wealthy, gorgeous, successful, world-famous, musically astounding "Prince.' BUT, to tell this tale , one cannot ignore the darker aspects..they are the truth, too.

Fine. Start a thread about that. Many many drug threads to choose from as well. This is an estate thread. If Prince died in an accident without a will, the estate results would be the same.

In a way, Prince did leave half of his wealth to charity in the form of taxes. He knew much of it would go to the state--a place he loved and invested in when he was a live. He knew those tax dollars would help support children, families, education and community. Infrastructure (bridges), health care, social services and public schools.

Prince safeguarded half of everything to the people of Minnesota.

The other half would go to whoever dug in to get it. If he wanted any particular person to have it, he would have given it to them before he died. He was already doing it. But with his parents gone, his children gone, --and we all see the persistent battles over inherited money--like the recent settlement against Michael Jackson's estate--what more was useful? It just goes on.

Perhaps NPG will be the guardian angel for the music. The rest, the place, the properties, the doo dads--just stuff. Stuff his "loving" partners and friends had no problem taking from him when he was alive ("people take my stuff...") or selling them at auction. Far from justanotherrockstar druggie, the world now sees the depth of this man and the way he grew into his life. It is tragic that he didn't ask for help with the pain and then the pain management sooner. Still, it is only since he's died that the country is poised now, barely a year later, to declare a state of emergency over opiod addiction. Billions of public dollars are being leveraged for prevention and treatment. It is only now people see the danger with most addictions starting with shared prescriptions. We didn't see this before he died. Oh, a little noise for a few years, but now it is screaming desperation in everyone's ears.

His legacy is building but it takes time. His later work is stunning, emotional, --I can't listen to much before it is too much. He matured and became deeper --much more soulful. Meaningful. Insightful. Accomplished. If possible, exhibited more artistic and skilled genius. A man many of us never knew until he was gone.

Want to pay him back? Volunteer at your local hospital to hold, rock and comfort newborn infants addicted to opioids who are in withdrawals. Let it be a memorial to Prince.

Will these ever end, entertaining as they are?

"None of his x-wife had living children, as I know of and his relationship with his first love brought about one son that fail a genetic DNA blood test & etc... some Rockers of musical bands are involved in excessive group sex parties with drugs & alcohol. My late half-brother brother (PRN) and I were like spouses and all claims against the estate should be dismissed.

My last court appeal in this court matter will be with the World Court. If there is a valid “WILLED ”on court filled and everything has been willed to me (“STG”) and I have not receive my fair share, it is a crime against me.(see: United States Supreme Court Rule: 18) When the laws of the land, do not protect the people of the states the government has fail you."

http://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profile-Cases/10-PR-16-46/Notice-To-Access-Sealed-Documents.pdf

[Edited 8/1/17 13:50pm]

deerpath said:

In a way, Prince did leave half of his wealth to charity in the form of taxes. He knew much of it would go to the state--a place he loved and invested in when he was a live. He knew those tax dollars would help support children, families, education and community. Infrastructure (bridges), health care, social services and public schools.

Prince safeguarded half of everything to the people of Minnesota.

The other half would go to whoever dug in to get it. If he wanted any particular person to have it, he would have given it to them before he died. He was already doing it. But with his parents gone, his children gone, --and we all see the persistent battles over inherited money--like the recent settlement against Michael Jackson's estate--what more was useful? It just goes on.

Perhaps NPG will be the guardian angel for the music. The rest, the place, the properties, the doo dads--just stuff. Stuff his "loving" partners and friends had no problem taking from him when he was alive ("people take my stuff...") or selling them at auction. Far from justanotherrockstar druggie, the world now sees the depth of this man and the way he grew into his life. It is tragic that he didn't ask for help with the pain and then the pain management sooner. Still, it is only since he's died that the country is poised now, barely a year later, to declare a state of emergency over opiod addiction. Billions of public dollars are being leveraged for prevention and treatment. It is only now people see the danger with most addictions starting with shared prescriptions. We didn't see this before he died. Oh, a little noise for a few years, but now it is screaming desperation in everyone's ears.

His legacy is building but it takes time. His later work is stunning, emotional, --I can't listen to much before it is too much. He matured and became deeper --much more soulful. Meaningful. Insightful. Accomplished. If possible, exhibited more artistic and skilled genius. A man many of us never knew until he was gone.

Want to pay him back? Volunteer at your local hospital to hold, rock and comfort newborn infants addicted to opioids who are in withdrawals. Let it be a memorial to Prince.

Excellent post, thank you.

Misslink88 said:

Will these ever end, entertaining as they are?

"None of his x-wife had living children, as I know of and his relationship with his first love brought about one son that fail a genetic DNA blood test & etc... some Rockers of musical bands are involved in excessive group sex parties with drugs & alcohol. My late half-brother brother (PRN) and I were like spouses and all claims against the estate should be dismissed.

My last court appeal in this court matter will be with the World Court. If there is a valid “WILLED ”on court filled and everything has been willed to me (“STG”) and I have not receive my fair share, it is a crime against me.(see: United States Supreme Court Rule: 18) When the laws of the land, do not protect the people of the states the government has fail you."

http://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profile-Cases/10-PR-16-46/Notice-To-Access-Sealed-Documents.pdf

[Edited 8/1/17 13:50pm]

Shawnetta is one french fry short of a Happy Meal.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Misslink88 said:

Will these ever end, entertaining as they are?

"None of his x-wife had living children, as I know of and his relationship with his first love brought about one son that fail a genetic DNA blood test & etc... some Rockers of musical bands are involved in excessive group sex parties with drugs & alcohol. My late half-brother brother (PRN) and I were like spouses and all claims against the estate should be dismissed.

My last court appeal in this court matter will be with the World Court. If there is a valid “WILLED ”on court filled and everything has been willed to me (“STG”) and I have not receive my fair share, it is a crime against me.(see: United States Supreme Court Rule: 18) When the laws of the land, do not protect the people of the states the government has fail you."

http://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profile-Cases/10-PR-16-46/Notice-To-Access-Sealed-Documents.pdf

[Edited 8/1/17 13:50pm]

Shawnetta is one french fry short of a Happy Meal.

It seems that for some people, life is just a party.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Misslink88 said:

Will these ever end, entertaining as they are?

"None of his x-wife had living children, as I know of and his relationship with his first love brought about one son that fail a genetic DNA blood test & etc... some Rockers of musical bands are involved in excessive group sex parties with drugs & alcohol. My late half-brother brother (PRN) and I were like spouses and all claims against the estate should be dismissed.

My last court appeal in this court matter will be with the World Court. If there is a valid “WILLED ”on court filled and everything has been willed to me (“STG”) and I have not receive my fair share, it is a crime against me.(see: United States Supreme Court Rule: 18) When the laws of the land, do not protect the people of the states the government has fail you."

http://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profile-Cases/10-PR-16-46/Notice-To-Access-Sealed-Documents.pdf

[Edited 8/1/17 13:50pm]

Shawnetta is one french fry short of a Happy Meal.

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deerpath said:

In a way, Prince did leave half of his wealth to charity in the form of taxes. He knew much of it would go to the state--a place he loved and invested in when he was a live. He knew those tax dollars would help support children, families, education and community. Infrastructure (bridges), health care, social services and public schools.

Prince safeguarded half of everything to the people of Minnesota.

The other half would go to whoever dug in to get it. If he wanted any particular person to have it, he would have given it to them before he died. He was already doing it. But with his parents gone, his children gone, --and we all see the persistent battles over inherited money--like the recent settlement against Michael Jackson's estate--what more was useful? It just goes on.

Perhaps NPG will be the guardian angel for the music. The rest, the place, the properties, the doo dads--just stuff. Stuff his "loving" partners and friends had no problem taking from him when he was alive ("people take my stuff...") or selling them at auction. Far from justanotherrockstar druggie, the world now sees the depth of this man and the way he grew into his life. It is tragic that he didn't ask for help with the pain and then the pain management sooner. Still, it is only since he's died that the country is poised now, barely a year later, to declare a state of emergency over opiod addiction. Billions of public dollars are being leveraged for prevention and treatment. It is only now people see the danger with most addictions starting with shared prescriptions. We didn't see this before he died. Oh, a little noise for a few years, but now it is screaming desperation in everyone's ears.

His legacy is building but it takes time. His later work is stunning, emotional, --I can't listen to much before it is too much. He matured and became deeper --much more soulful. Meaningful. Insightful. Accomplished. If possible, exhibited more artistic and skilled genius. A man many of us never knew until he was gone.

Want to pay him back? Volunteer at your local hospital to hold, rock and comfort newborn infants addicted to opioids who are in withdrawals. Let it be a memorial to Prince.

YES...bless you for posting this, all of this.

deerpath said:

CandyCool said:

1Sasha said:

laurarichardson said:

Well you think like you do because you are decent person. What normal person would think anything that is going on is something to laugh at.

Thank you, L⁰.

No thank you. Laughter is the best medicine.