Reply #960 posted 03/18/17 2:08pm
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Purplestar88 said:
ladygirl99 said:
I dont know how long you have been on the org but I have been here since 1998 when it was purple and black and when Prince was his final years with Mayte. anyway some diehard fans gotten mad when you made any indication that Prince didn't become successful by himself. Whether writing love or songs about Mayte, or include her on his stage, or have her same backup for songs like Pope, or did an album entirely about her, or directed music videos, he had helped.
And Google is your friend to find interviews of Prince (and the ones who knew him) who sometimes believe his success is mainly of him and his associates said the same he had a hard time of seeking help and wanted to control everything.
He had help but he also allowed people to be in his world. He allowed her to apart of so many things because he believe in her talent and beauty. He choose her, he did not have to let Mayte "help" him with anything. Their are many people in the industy that could have "help" him with his creations but he choose Mayte to apart of it comming to light. And just because someone said he was self made or a one man band did not mean, they are saying on one ever help him. I don't need google. I know what his associates have said.
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Reply #961 posted 03/18/17 2:13pm
Menes |
2freaky4church1 said:
The JW's blamed her for the babies death? Was it God's plan? That is sick. Hope Larry didn't have something to do with this.
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Reply #962 posted 03/18/17 2:15pm
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purplerabbithole said: I think a lot of the women he dated (even if they had to get out from under his influence) were not particularly hateful toward him (Carmen a bit, Vanity was a bit shady) after the fact even though he was controlling and uncompromising at times. The men who worked for him were controlled as well to some extent and they were a bit less forgiving. The reason might be that even though Prince was controlling, he was gently so where women were concerned. He was a fancy lesbian. An influential girlfriend in some ways (think his fashion advice to Tamron Hall.) his control didn't feel threatening but they knew he could run if they didn't listen. And I think at times, like I said, he highlighted what he saw in them and gave them confidence as artists. Something like, "oh, you really have a pretty folksy voice, why don't you write folk songs? Or you really have a great visual eye, why don't you direct a video?" As far as their personal/philosophical influence, its not entirely clear because he dominated the public image. By the time, his veganism, Afrocentrism, or environmentalism got out to the public, it would be hard to know where it originally came from. I don't think he thought women were brainless or without thoughts/opinions, I just think he wanted to influence them. Can you imagine what it was like when he briefly dated Madonna and she kept trying to get him out of his shell> LOL. Control to prince was probably like stability (something lacking in his childhood.)
annalizer said: purplerabbithole said:
MOre the case for his girlfriends then his female friends. It does seem like he mellowed a bit about the control issues the last five ten years of his life (except for maybe BRia) . The ladies he mentored seemed to have more of their own opinions, outlooks, approaches and ambitions.. Andy was sculpted a bit appearance-wise but she wrote her own lyrics and actually seemed to influence his style.
BTW, chicken before the egg question. HE sculpted Mayte's looks right? But wasn't she always a belly dancer and then he started using belly dancing in his videos (7). Was he looking for belly dancer or inspired by what she was already doing? That fine line between being a muse and being a piece of clay I guess. Creatively he seemed to listen to the women. PUblically, he seemed to sculpt them and their opinions. Privately its harder to say with all the women. Mayte was more like clay than others were probably. But when a man supposedly spends hours talking to these women (like accounts suggest), I am sure they have to talk about something. Perhaps, he just highlighted what he was seeing in them already (in some cases.) ITs not like he told Wendy and Lisa to pretend to be straight...however, they did all seem to dress alike in the Revolution. So could it be a combination of both molding and being inspired by what's already there? Yes, you're right in his later years. I was only referring to the women he dated.
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Reply #963 posted 03/18/17 2:19pm
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Reply #964 posted 03/18/17 2:21pm
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awake4now said:
ladygirl99 said:
I stand by what I said. Prince wasn't a one-man island no matter what the image he presented to the fans. He had helped with his success.
And Mayte helped birth his child even though the outcome was horrible. He wrote songs about her. She dance to his videos and onstage. I don't agree with the way her parents introduced him at a young age. Just because she wasn't a musician that doesn't mean her time with Prince was useless. Once again P's associates and exs stories should be heard too and are going to be told whether fans like it or not. Its their history/herstory too.
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And I stand by my statement that none of the "stories" would or will be published in a commercially released book deal without it being about him.
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This man worked his ass of his entire life, earned everything he had from that work ethic, innovated popular music, and fought a ruthless industry largely on his own. Like it or not, everyone else in the PP scene was along for the ride, unless they moved on to their own non-Prince hustle.
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Many have already shared their stories. It doesn't have to be done for big $$ via book or film deals. People who pursue deals like this are riding on his hard work and his recent death for financial gain. Apparently the author and/or publisher releasing salacious, second-hand details to tabloids to generate interest is ok too. It's called a cash grab.
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Reply #965 posted 03/18/17 2:28pm
206Michelle |
sonshine said:
Something else for the haters to consider: If you really care about prince and his memory or whatever you want people to believe you would be grateful that he experienced the unwavering love of another in his life. Your beating up on Mayte says more about your misguided loyalty than it does about her or anything she has done. She has appeared respectful at any events she has attended in his honor. She has not divulged any deep, dark secrets or bad-mouthed him. She has only told the truth and that's on you if you can't handle it. She has spoken gently of him him even the not so nice parts. It's clear that she loved him deeply and remained a faithful, supportive partner through it all just as she vowed the day they wed. HE gave up on them. HE quit. You should worry more about why he could so easily throw love away rather than be critical of her. I appreciate that she loved him, warts and all. She didn't give up on him. She never stopped trying to make a happy life with him until that was no longer an option. How can you find fault with such a person?
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Reply #967 posted 03/18/17 2:31pm
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BillieBalloon said:
80tomato said:
actually I am curious about the possibility of dwarfism in the child...I wonder if Prince thought about the times Madonna and Boy George referred to him disrespectively as a "dwarf" beacause of his small stature
They only got the dwarfism diagnosis because the babys measurements were off. After he was born the reality was not dwarfism but something else. I doubt Prince gave a second thought to ole girl and Boy George.
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Reply #968 posted 03/18/17 2:35pm
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Mumio said:
HerecomethePurpleYoda said:
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Reply #969 posted 03/18/17 2:37pm
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awake4now said:
ladygirl99 said:
I stand by what I said. Prince wasn't a one-man island no matter what the image he presented to the fans. He had helped with his success.
And Mayte helped birth his child even though the outcome was horrible. He wrote songs about her. She dance to his videos and onstage. I don't agree with the way her parents introduced him at a young age. Just because she wasn't a musician that doesn't mean her time with Prince was useless. Once again P's associates and exs stories should be heard too and are going to be told whether fans like it or not. Its their history/herstory too.
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And I stand by my statement that none of the "stories" would or will be published in a commercially released book deal without it being about him.
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This man worked his ass of his entire life, earned everything he had from that work ethic, innovated popular music, and fought a ruthless industry largely on his own. Like it or not, everyone else in the PP scene was along for the ride, unless they moved on to their own non-Prince hustle.
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Many have already shared their stories. It doesn't have to be done for big $$ via book or film deals. People who pursue deals like this are riding on his hard work and his recent death for financial gain. Apparently the author and/or publisher releasing salacious, second-hand details to tabloids to generate interest is ok too. It's called a cash grab.
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I understand that Prince loved music and therefore was passion and worked hard at it but that wouldnt do any good if he doesn't have the industry connections to get his first album and money to tour with. But once again, no matter how you spin this, Prince didn't became successful by himself. If it weren't for Chris Moon let him used his studio to record his first album for free and no strings attached (it cost fucking money to produce an album in those days and Prince was too poor to afford studio time) and Owen Husney hustled and begged Warner Bros to sign Prince and give him control over his music, then this site wouldn't exist. The industry can be corrupt but that is the same industry made Prince a star.
I can name more examples but the knowledge is out there. And apparently no matter how much people have issues about Mayte, he was influenced by her enough to have her around through his work and no amount of hate is going to take away that and she was important enough for her to be a mother to his child and to marry her.
What make you sure that the associates who already told their stories didn't ask for a fee exchange to talk to the media or to share exclusive pictures. People tell their stories about celebrities all the time through tabloids and mainstream news for money. But the difference is they did it on the low and Mayte's book deal is more publicized. Don't forget the upcoming concerts by bandmembers who are 'cashing in' as well so why no outrage?
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Reply #970 posted 03/18/17 2:44pm
206Michelle |
PurpleMedley122 said:
laurarichardson said:
He keep it classy.
So classy that he bulldozed the house Mani received in their divorce settlement and refused to give her belongings in that leaked email correspondence when the divorce documents were released. So classy that he and Mani were caught fooling around in movie theaters while he was married to Mayte. Many, many examples... [Edited 3/15/17 19:49pm]
Was the fooling around in movie theaters something that came to light in the Mani-Prince divorce papers? I wonder if Mayte will touch on possible infidelity in the book. Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above |
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Reply #971 posted 03/18/17 2:46pm
ladygirl99 |
paradise000 said:
Ms.Jill Jones' Instagram message 💜💜
Is that a shade at Mayte because of the book or at people who trashing Mayte's book? or some other inner meaning?
I haven't follow Jill lately but she one associate I would buy a book from. |
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Reply #972 posted 03/18/17 2:51pm
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206Michelle said:
PurpleMedley122 said:
laurarichardson said: So classy that he bulldozed the house Mani received in their divorce settlement and refused to give her belongings in that leaked email correspondence when the divorce documents were released. So classy that he and Mani were caught fooling around in movie theaters while he was married to Mayte. Many, many examples... [Edited 3/15/17 19:49pm]
Was the fooling around in movie theaters something that came to light in the Mani-Prince divorce papers? I wonder if Mayte will touch on possible infidelity in the book.
Prince did not demolish the house that M2 received in the divorce settlement.
He owned that house before marrying her and it was "pre-marital" and she did not
hold a marital interest in the house.
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Reply #973 posted 03/18/17 2:59pm
Menes |
ladygirl99 said:
awake4now said:
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And I stand by my statement that none of the "stories" would or will be published in a commercially released book deal without it being about him.
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This man worked his ass of his entire life, earned everything he had from that work ethic, innovated popular music, and fought a ruthless industry largely on his own. Like it or not, everyone else in the PP scene was along for the ride, unless they moved on to their own non-Prince hustle.
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Many have already shared their stories. It doesn't have to be done for big $$ via book or film deals. People who pursue deals like this are riding on his hard work and his recent death for financial gain. Apparently the author and/or publisher releasing salacious, second-hand details to tabloids to generate interest is ok too. It's called a cash grab.
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I understand that Prince loved music and therefore was passion and worked hard at it but that wouldnt do any good if he doesn't have the industry connections to get his first album and money to tour with. But once again, no matter how you spin this, Prince didn't became successful by himself. If it weren't for Chris Moon let him used his studio to record his first album for free and no strings attached (it cost fucking money to produce an album in those days and Prince was too poor to afford studio time) and Owen Husney hustled and begged Warner Bros to sign Prince and give him control over his music, then this site wouldn't exist. The industry can be corrupt but that is the same industry made Prince a star.
I can name more examples but the knowledge is out there. And apparently no matter how much people have issues about Mayte, he was influenced by her enough to have her around through his work and no amount of hate is going to take away that and she was important enough for her to be a mother to his child and to marry her.
What make you sure that the associates who already told their stories didn't ask for a fee exchange to talk to the media or to share exclusive pictures. People tell their stories about celebrities all the time through tabloids and mainstream news for money. But the difference is they did it on the low and Mayte's book deal is more publicized.
Don't forget the upcoming concerts by bandmembers who are 'cashing in' as well so why no outrage?
There is no outrage because those are tributes by all acounts. Tributes are intended to show respect or admiration. I don't always agree with the tributes ( Madonna @ billboard) and I dont think monies should be exchanged. What about this upcoming book do you think would be interpreted as a tribute to Prince?
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Reply #974 posted 03/18/17 3:02pm
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206Michelle said:
sonshine said:
Something else for the haters to consider: If you really care about prince and his memory or whatever you want people to believe you would be grateful that he experienced the unwavering love of another in his life. Your beating up on Mayte says more about your misguided loyalty than it does about her or anything she has done. She has appeared respectful at any events she has attended in his honor. She has not divulged any deep, dark secrets or bad-mouthed him. She has only told the truth and that's on you if you can't handle it. She has spoken gently of him him even the not so nice parts. It's clear that she loved him deeply and remained a faithful, supportive partner through it all just as she vowed the day they wed. HE gave up on them. HE quit. You should worry more about why he could so easily throw love away rather than be critical of her. I appreciate that she loved him, warts and all. She didn't give up on him. She never stopped trying to make a happy life with him until that was no longer an option. How can you find fault with such a person?
This. It seems no matter what is said, people will continue to find fault and you know the saying if one can claim it in someone else...the claimer has it too. The article in the London Times was touching and she portrayed their emotional pain quite well. |
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Reply #975 posted 03/18/17 3:04pm
206Michelle |
benni said:
Hopefully, by writing about her experience, she will bring more attention to Pfeiffer Syndrome which will go a long way towards getting funding for research. I can tell you from experience that living with a condition that has little to no research, education, talking about it, and bringing attention to the condition goes a long ways towards research facilities getting grants for vital research and education to the general public.
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I also hope that her book brings more attention 2 Pfeiffer Syndrome and other rare conditions like it. I am a special education teacher and I teach children who have autism. I have also taught children who have intellectual disability (formerly known as mental retardation).
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People need 2 understand what it is like 4 parents of children with severe disabilities so that these parents can receive the support and resources that they need 2 care 4 their children and 2 cope with the loss if their children die due 2 complications related 2 the disability.
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It is important 2 talk about the impact of disabilities because this also helps create more acceptance and helps 2 create a society that is more welcoming of people who have disabilities. Perhaps the details that Mayte shares about she and Prince's son could be helpful or comforting 4 other parents of children who have severe disabilities. If anything, the details that she shares may create more awareness of what families endure in caring 4 a child who has a severe disability. I hope that the details she shares about Amiir further humanize him and help people 2 have more empathy for families that have children who have severe disabilities. Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above |
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Reply #976 posted 03/18/17 3:09pm
206Michelle |
benni said:
BillieBalloon said:
GimmeThat said: What if the other party didnt want their story sold and valued his privacy alo ng with that of his dead son? Children have a right to privacy also and its not necessary to describe a childs physical appearance and share it with the world in a way that will inevitably cause morbid curiosity. Many many celebrities keep their children out of the public eye.
But Ahmir cannot be in the public eye (or out of it). He is no longer with us either. The only part of Ahmir that remains is his mother. The only person that can celebrate this too short life of Prince's son, share him with the world, and say, "He did exist. He did have life," is Mayte. And losing a baby that young, you do want to scream at the world, "My baby was alive, existed, was a part of me and his father." Because for too many people that are not a part of that pregnancy, the birth, it's too easy to dismiss. And Mayte has had to do that for way too many years.
benni, you expressed your sentiments beautifully, and I feel the exact same way.
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Reply #977 posted 03/18/17 3:16pm
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Reply #978 posted 03/18/17 3:16pm
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disch said:
The thing is, he's not around to tell us why he made the decisions he did. So for those who want to understand more about how he ticked (and not everyone is interested in these aspects of his life), we are going to have to rely, at this point, on the perspectives of who were around him. And that includes Mayte. It's possible that her book may give that kind of insight. (But I'll know more after I read it.)
purplerabbithole said:
NOt one person on here has said he was a perfect person. But everything about Prince is so one-sided. No one ever asked why he makes the decisions he does. They just dismiss him as a prick. They may be wrong decisions that hurt others but since we don't know or even want to figure out why he did these things, we don't know if his intentions were actually cruel.
Am I the only one who thinks that people are much more confortable thinking of Prince as a seductive evil genius than as a vulnerable man who in his personal life was sometimes clueless about how to handle stuff and was enabled and used by others.
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Reply #979 posted 03/18/17 3:18pm
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206Michelle said:
benni said:
But Ahmir cannot be in the public eye (or out of it). He is no longer with us either. The only part of Ahmir that remains is his mother. The only person that can celebrate this too short life of Prince's son, share him with the world, and say, "He did exist. He did have life," is Mayte. And losing a baby that young, you do want to scream at the world, "My baby was alive, existed, was a part of me and his father." Because for too many people that are not a part of that pregnancy, the birth, it's too easy to dismiss. And Mayte has had to do that for way too many years.
benni, you expressed your sentiments beautifully, and I feel the exact same way.
Agreed. Mayte said to the LT reporter that Ahmir would have been 21 and that is a long time to be silent.. They loved Ahmir regardless of his condition. |
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Reply #980 posted 03/18/17 3:23pm
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Menes said:
ladygirl99 said:
I understand that Prince loved music and therefore was passion and worked hard at it but that wouldnt do any good if he doesn't have the industry connections to get his first album and money to tour with. But once again, no matter how you spin this, Prince didn't became successful by himself. If it weren't for Chris Moon let him used his studio to record his first album for free and no strings attached (it cost fucking money to produce an album in those days and Prince was too poor to afford studio time) and Owen Husney hustled and begged Warner Bros to sign Prince and give him control over his music, then this site wouldn't exist. The industry can be corrupt but that is the same industry made Prince a star.
I can name more examples but the knowledge is out there. And apparently no matter how much people have issues about Mayte, he was influenced by her enough to have her around through his work and no amount of hate is going to take away that and she was important enough for her to be a mother to his child and to marry her.
What make you sure that the associates who already told their stories didn't ask for a fee exchange to talk to the media or to share exclusive pictures. People tell their stories about celebrities all the time through tabloids and mainstream news for money. But the difference is they did it on the low and Mayte's book deal is more publicized.
Don't forget the upcoming concerts by bandmembers who are 'cashing in' as well so why no outrage?
There is no outrage because those are tributes by all acounts. Tributes are intended to show respect or admiration. I don't always agree with the tributes ( Madonna @ billboard) and I dont think monies should be exchanged. What about this upcoming book do you think would be interpreted as a tribute to Prince?
But some of those bandmembers criticized Prince over the last few years especially when he was alive are doing some of the upcoming concerts and I bet some of the same fans who are mad at Mayte might purchased a ticket to see those bandmembers. If a person doesn't like Mayte that is fine but it is very hypoctical to saying she is cashing in or milking but yet don't say crap about everyone else doing the same. It is like it is okay for others to make money off of Prince but not her because she was the wife and Prince's baby mother, they weren't. She may not be a musican but she influenced him during her time with him and went far than some other women around. And also she got criticism for doing those bellydance classes, so once again the hate on Mayte is beyond the book deal.
Yes I believe so. When it comes to reading a book about Prince or any public figure, I want to read about his human side not the manufactured side of him. That is the psychologist in me (even though I am not a license one). In other words, sometimes the truth is not always painless. Some fans want a feel good love story and fake fantasy about Prince, I want the truth as possible because it made him human. Even with the book, I am sure Mayte is going to keep other intimacy things to herself.
As I mentioned before, I am not a huge Mayte stan as I have this let live and live toward her but I am confused about this outrage while other people who said worse about Prince are giving passes and cashing in too in their way. There are some hidden motives going on. |
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Reply #981 posted 03/18/17 3:27pm
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Menes said:
joytotheworld said:
Maybe his having a will was mentioned to his family and they have no obligation to broadcast that. She has been at the memorials and tributes so more than likely it was mentioned. Duh.
Yes yes, I bet it was a rather profound exchange of information between Mayte and the family during the services. I could hear it now:
Tyka: (whispering during the service)"You know my brother burnt up your shit and sprayed the babies ashes under Larry's front porch, right?"
Mayte:"Oh thats ok , at least them pills I was giving him caught up to him finally. Oh, and you will never find that will".
Tyka: " What bitch?"
(While Larry sings "rock of ages and passes around a collection plate for the "urn")...
Mayte:" Read the book, I dont want to disrespect my ex-husband like that".
This cracks me up, almost blew Pepsi out my nose. ![lol](/i/s/icon_lol.gif)
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Reply #982 posted 03/18/17 3:30pm
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Mumio said:
HerecomethePurpleYoda said:
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Hey Yoda! Question for you: what happened to your signature line? Since it is gone does that mean you aren't family anymore????
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Reply #983 posted 03/18/17 3:32pm
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206Michelle said:
benni said:
Hopefully, by writing about her experience, she will bring more attention to Pfeiffer Syndrome which will go a long way towards getting funding for research. I can tell you from experience that living with a condition that has little to no research, education, talking about it, and bringing attention to the condition goes a long ways towards research facilities getting grants for vital research and education to the general public.
![yeahthat](/i/s/icon_yeahthat.gif)
I also hope that her book brings more attention 2 Pfeiffer Syndrome and other rare conditions like it. I am a special education teacher and I teach children who have autism. I have also taught children who have intellectual disability (formerly known as mental retardation).
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People need 2 understand what it is like 4 parents of children with severe disabilities so that these parents can receive the support and resources that they need 2 care 4 their children and 2 cope with the loss if their children die due 2 complications related 2 the disability.
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It is important 2 talk about the impact of disabilities because this also helps create more acceptance and helps 2 create a society that is more welcoming of people who have disabilities. Perhaps the details that Mayte shares about she and Prince's son could be helpful or comforting 4 other parents of children who have severe disabilities. If anything, the details that she shares may create more awareness of what families endure in caring 4 a child who has a severe disability. I hope that the details she shares about Amiir further humanize him and help people 2 have more empathy for families that have children who have severe disabilities.
I hope so too. What is cool is that from the Mayte book excerpt I read, Prince and Mayte thought it was no big deal when their doctor warned their baby likely going to have a condition. I am still sad that this baby died and I believed, Prince and Mayte would had been loving parents and made sure the child will be look after. I can tell just by the way they were willing to be ready to accept the way the baby was going to be.
I was friends with special ed kids and they are very loyal friends to have and also have strong work ethic. People are missing out being friends with disablity people out of ignorance and their ableism. [Edited 3/18/17 15:34pm] |
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Reply #984 posted 03/18/17 3:32pm
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rogifan said: ladygirl99 said:
He stopped cursely publicly. But privately, a blind item said he still cursed. Fans need to think hard about these celebrities and their public images. I had spoke to people in the industry about Hollywood over social media over the years and they laughed at how the celebrities fooled fans of what they presented themselves in public eye as I was told many celebrities have Dr.Jekyll and Mr Hyde persona. I also still kind of unsure if he was still JW toward his final years and from what I observed he was expanding his ideas.
In other words, Mayte's book is not going to be for the sensitive. She is going to reveal lot of behind the scenes of the man and some fans who critic Prince based on his public image is likely going to be very shock if they are going to read the book.
Right...because tabloid blind items are always accurate. There are more than enough stories from friends/peers/others that it's pretty clear it wasn't an act he put on for the public. Last time I checked I don't think he had a fan base that cared whether he cursed or not. In fact I could probably find lots of posts here from people that wished he hadn't stopped cursing. Like Prince told Arsenio, there's a lot of things he did 30 years ago that he doesn't do anymore. People can grow and evolve and not everything a celebrity does is an act for the media/public. [Edited 3/18/17 11:39am]
Some are accurate, some aren't. Well shortly before Prince died, I read an article he went to this club in NYC and the manager said Prince had his demands and Prince was somewhat apological and told him he hope he wasn't being pain in the ass. I don't think he is tabloid. And also of course his friends and peers aren't going to tell the fans/public about Prince's bad days because they want to be a true friend. Some fans do care he cursed, some doesn't. That isn't my point. My point is that celebrities often create at least two based on what their manager/agent/publicist told them with their input. One to the fans and another to their family and partners. So again don't be suprised if that assistant confirmed what Mayte said was true about the ashes. Come on. I read that story and it wasn't a direct quote. I also read a story from someone in Australia who DJ'd a Piano & Microphone after show. He said Prince demanded no songs with curse words and when the DJ started played Head one of Prince's minders came over to tell him that Prince wanted the song turned off immediately. http://themusic.com.au/ne...fterparty/The only time throughout the night that Walker received anything but positive feedback from Prince's camp came when he dropped one of the man-of-the-moment's own hits, Head, which Walker was quickly asked to turn off.
"He gave a requirement that he didn’t want any tracks played with any profanity in it, so I knew that before the gig started and then I was thinking, which track of his do I want to play and that was one of my favourite tracks of his," he says.
"...And then he sent his minder up who said, ‘Take it off’." Paisley Park is in your heart
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Reply #985 posted 03/18/17 3:37pm
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Did this thread broke or made a record on the org? Nearly 1000 posts and over 40,000 views in three days. ![eek](/i/s/icon_eek.gif)
Go Mayte its your birthday, good, bad, or ugly, she got folks talking about her. ![lol](/i/s/icon_lol.gif) |
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Reply #986 posted 03/18/17 3:41pm
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ladygirl99 said:
awake4now said:
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And I stand by my statement that none of the "stories" would or will be published in a commercially released book deal without it being about him.
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This man worked his ass of his entire life, earned everything he had from that work ethic, innovated popular music, and fought a ruthless industry largely on his own. Like it or not, everyone else in the PP scene was along for the ride, unless they moved on to their own non-Prince hustle.
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Many have already shared their stories. It doesn't have to be done for big $$ via book or film deals. People who pursue deals like this are riding on his hard work and his recent death for financial gain. Apparently the author and/or publisher releasing salacious, second-hand details to tabloids to generate interest is ok too. It's called a cash grab.
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I understand that Prince loved music and therefore was passion and worked hard at it but that wouldnt do any good if he doesn't have the industry connections to get his first album and money to tour with. But once again, no matter how you spin this, Prince didn't became successful by himself. If it weren't for Chris Moon let him used his studio to record his first album for free and no strings attached (it cost fucking money to produce an album in those days and Prince was too poor to afford studio time) and Owen Husney hustled and begged Warner Bros to sign Prince and give him control over his music, then this site wouldn't exist. The industry can be corrupt but that is the same industry made Prince a star.
I can name more examples but the knowledge is out there. And apparently no matter how much people have issues about Mayte, he was influenced by her enough to have her around through his work and no amount of hate is going to take away that and she was important enough for her to be a mother to his child and to marry her.
What make you sure that the associates who already told their stories didn't ask for a fee exchange to talk to the media or to share exclusive pictures. People tell their stories about celebrities all the time through tabloids and mainstream news for money. But the difference is they did it on the low and Mayte's book deal is more publicized. Don't forget the upcoming concerts by bandmembers who are 'cashing in' as well so why no outrage?
I agree, That's what I said several pages back, about the others cashing in, and where was the outrage. Heck Brown Mark even invited Eric Benet to come on stage with them.....???? Sheila E is cashing in also, but she's the golden goddess here on the forum. |
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Reply #987 posted 03/18/17 3:41pm
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"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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Reply #988 posted 03/18/17 3:49pm
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PennyPurple said:
ladygirl99 said:
I understand that Prince loved music and therefore was passion and worked hard at it but that wouldnt do any good if he doesn't have the industry connections to get his first album and money to tour with. But once again, no matter how you spin this, Prince didn't became successful by himself. If it weren't for Chris Moon let him used his studio to record his first album for free and no strings attached (it cost fucking money to produce an album in those days and Prince was too poor to afford studio time) and Owen Husney hustled and begged Warner Bros to sign Prince and give him control over his music, then this site wouldn't exist. The industry can be corrupt but that is the same industry made Prince a star.
I can name more examples but the knowledge is out there. And apparently no matter how much people have issues about Mayte, he was influenced by her enough to have her around through his work and no amount of hate is going to take away that and she was important enough for her to be a mother to his child and to marry her.
What make you sure that the associates who already told their stories didn't ask for a fee exchange to talk to the media or to share exclusive pictures. People tell their stories about celebrities all the time through tabloids and mainstream news for money. But the difference is they did it on the low and Mayte's book deal is more publicized. Don't forget the upcoming concerts by bandmembers who are 'cashing in' as well so why no outrage?
I agree, That's what I said several pages back, about the others cashing in, and where was the outrage. Heck Brown Mark even invited Eric Benet to come on stage with them.....???? Sheila E is cashing in also, but she's the golden goddess here on the forum.
Yeah the outrage is crazy. It is like to some others, Mayte should just shut up about Prince and sit in the corner but it is okay for others to cash in and expressed their love about Prince. |
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Reply #989 posted 03/18/17 3:49pm
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benni said:
Hopefully, by writing about her experience, she will bring more attention to Pfeiffer Syndrome which will go a long way towards getting funding for research. I can tell you from experience that living with a condition that has little to no research, education, talking about it, and bringing attention to the condition goes a long ways towards research facilities getting grants for vital research and education to the general public.
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I also hope that her book brings more attention 2 Pfeiffer Syndrome and other rare conditions like it. I am a special education teacher and I teach children who have autism. I have also taught children who have intellectual disability (formerly known as mental retardation).
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People need 2 understand what it is like 4 parents of children with severe disabilities so that these parents can receive the support and resources that they need 2 care 4 their children and 2 cope with the loss if their children die due 2 complications related 2 the disability.
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It is important 2 talk about the impact of disabilities because this also helps create more acceptance and helps 2 create a society that is more welcoming of people who have disabilities. Perhaps the details that Mayte shares about she and Prince's son could be helpful or comforting 4 other parents of children who have severe disabilities. If anything, the details that she shares may create more awareness of what families endure in caring 4 a child who has a severe disability. I hope that the details she shares about Amiir further humanize him and help people 2 have more empathy for families that have children who have severe disabilities.
I for one clearly believe in patterns. She had a pile of money when she sold that house he gifted her in Spain. She made a pile of money in hollywood pursuant to her divorce. Do you recall or have ever heard of any interaction between her and any foundation related to anything remotely close to the syndrome?
It's been roughly 20 years and the details that she will share in the book already have been shared by her a thousand times. You think for the 1,001 time the facts will change as to why people don't really pay attention to this rare disease? I bet you the ORG. has more information about Pfeiffer Syndrome than Mayte cares to read about. There is nothing new that she could possibly add about the death of the baby that would cause the world to have a surge in interest in Pfeiffer syndrome. Funding and grants for research into rare diseases are not looked into because of some neurotic emotional read in a book .Her best bet is to approach philanthropists and cross her fingers. The line is long . I would rather count to one billion than to count on her to be doing any of this for the baby or for Prince. You could smell the contempt in her actions from here to Egypt with a lot of the things that she was doing. She of all people knew him well and had to have known that certainn things would absolutely cause him to have an adverse reaction. The book is no different.
We can ascertain from the pattern of behavior that there is a caviat to her sharing that tragedy in conjunction with the "love story" bullshit connection her and her publicist concocted for months. Profit. I wish we could find out when she started negotiating with the publicist. Was it before or after his death? |
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