206Michelle said:

She does and many of us knew about it already. He put the movie incident on his website because at that point the marriage was over.

I thought it was Mayte that Prince was fooling around with in the movie theatre . Wow!

are you kidding. People gave Sheila all kinds of shit on this site. I expressed annoyance at Susannah Melvoin selling t-shirts and expressed concern over the Revolution concerts (especially since they only played songs they helped to work on in the earlier tributes)..

I think NPG doesn't bother people because they are probably playing songs from his entire career and probably because the NPG probably won't get the concert sales that the Revolution will.

What does bother me a bit about NPG reunion is that Tommy Barbarello was asked to work for Prince again around 2011 and wouldn't (partly because of the taxing schedule and partly because he thought it would be more fun to work for Nick Jonas because of Thompson and Bland being in his band) and now he is fine with it after PRince is dead. In other words, this is less of a celebration of Prince for him and more about him hanging with his buddies. Even Sonny T and Michael Bland worked with Prince off and on after he disbanded the first NPG.

PennyPurple said:

ladygirl99 said:

I understand that Prince loved music and therefore was passion and worked hard at it but that wouldnt do any good if he doesn't have the industry connections to get his first album and money to tour with. But once again, no matter how you spin this, Prince didn't became successful by himself. If it weren't for Chris Moon let him used his studio to record his first album for free and no strings attached (it cost fucking money to produce an album in those days and Prince was too poor to afford studio time) and Owen Husney hustled and begged Warner Bros to sign Prince and give him control over his music, then this site wouldn't exist. The industry can be corrupt but that is the same industry made Prince a star.

I can name more examples but the knowledge is out there. And apparently no matter how much people have issues about Mayte, he was influenced by her enough to have her around through his work and no amount of hate is going to take away that and she was important enough for her to be a mother to his child and to marry her.

What make you sure that the associates who already told their stories didn't ask for a fee exchange to talk to the media or to share exclusive pictures. People tell their stories about celebrities all the time through tabloids and mainstream news for money. But the difference is they did it on the low and Mayte's book deal is more publicized. Don't forget the upcoming concerts by bandmembers who are 'cashing in' as well so why no outrage?

I agree, That's what I said several pages back, about the others cashing in, and where was the outrage. Heck Brown Mark even invited Eric Benet to come on stage with them.....???? Sheila E is cashing in also, but she's the golden goddess here on the forum.

ladygirl99 said:

awake4now said:

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And I stand by my statement that none of the "stories" would or will be published in a commercially released book deal without it being about him.

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This man worked his ass of his entire life, earned everything he had from that work ethic, innovated popular music, and fought a ruthless industry largely on his own. Like it or not, everyone else in the PP scene was along for the ride, unless they moved on to their own non-Prince hustle.

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Many have already shared their stories. It doesn't have to be done for big $$ via book or film deals. People who pursue deals like this are riding on his hard work and his recent death for financial gain. Apparently the author and/or publisher releasing salacious, second-hand details to tabloids to generate interest is ok too. It's called a cash grab.

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I understand that Prince loved music and therefore was passion and worked hard at it but that wouldnt do any good if he doesn't have the industry connections to get his first album and money to tour with. But once again, no matter how you spin this, Prince didn't became successful by himself. If it weren't for Chris Moon let him used his studio to record his first album for free and no strings attached (it cost fucking money to produce an album in those days and Prince was too poor to afford studio time) and Owen Husney hustled and begged Warner Bros to sign Prince and give him control over his music, then this site wouldn't exist. The industry can be corrupt but that is the same industry made Prince a star.

I can name more examples but the knowledge is out there. And apparently no matter how much people have issues about Mayte, he was influenced by her enough to have her around through his work and no amount of hate is going to take away that and she was important enough for her to be a mother to his child and to marry her.

What make you sure that the associates who already told their stories didn't ask for a fee exchange to talk to the media or to share exclusive pictures. People tell their stories about celebrities all the time through tabloids and mainstream news for money. But the difference is they did it on the low and Mayte's book deal is more publicized. Don't forget the upcoming concerts by bandmembers who are 'cashing in' as well so why no outrage?

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And how many of the musicians or the people you named in that post are peddling personal information via book deals and using gross headlines to promote it?

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I haven't commented on other cash grabs b/c I'm mindful of this thread's title.

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I'm not going to debate the merits of the music industry with you. The music scene is littered with the damaged and deceased souls who were left with nothing. He spoke against that, possibly to his own detriment.

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Keep stanning for whatsherface. May her new round of "15 minutes" pass quickly. I'm out. I've wasted too much time on this mess today.

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BillieBalloon said:

-/The family has had a court order for Patrick Cousins to turn over 65 boxes of legal docs. I believe this is to solve the stolen church issue but who knows this ass may have a will.

rogifan said:

ladygirl99 said:

I read that story and it wasn't a direct quote. I also read a story from someone in Australia who DJ'd a Piano & Microphone after show. He said Prince demanded no songs with curse words and when the DJ started played Head one of Prince's minders came over to tell him that Prince wanted the song turned off immediately. http://themusic.com.au/ne...fterparty/

The only time throughout the night that Walker received anything but positive feedback from Prince's camp came when he dropped one of the man-of-the-moment's own hits, Head, which Walker was quickly asked to turn off. "He gave a requirement that he didn’t want any tracks played with any profanity in it, so I knew that before the gig started and then I was thinking, which track of his do I want to play and that was one of my favourite tracks of his," he says. "...And then he sent his minder up who said, ‘Take it off’."

Yeah but that is a public request, Prince wanted a more family-friendly image of himself. He even said this in his Rolling Stone 2014 interview that he was happy to see kids coming to his concerts and they were the children of his early fans because he wanted his music to appeal to families. Because there is more money when your products appeal to families, too.

But Prince could also curse privately. A lot of people put up a front publicly to appeal to appeal to their target demographics but are different behind close doors, and I believe that is no exception to Prince. I am sure Mayte might be a different person as well behind close doors. But that is not the point. The point is if Mayte can't write a book (I think she is doing her way since she is not a musician) then the bandmembers shouldn't do these concerts and Tyka shouldn't speak about her brother even though she and Prince had an on and off relationship. The point is dead musicians like Elvis still had tabloids trash him and people who knew him wrote books about him as he been dead for 40 years now but that didn't tarnish his image. People always going to show more support for the dead unless they did very monsterous things.

I understand us fans are protective of Prince's legacy but I think people need to chill and relax about the book. Tell-all books didn't trash the legacies of dead celebrities like Elvis, Tupac (dude still bringing over 20 mil yearly), Lucille Ball (she still brings money to CBS studio yearly) who have a bitchy reputation and wasn't a good mother to her two children and so on. Because people are going to still buy their work years to come.

I believed sixth months from now,the book is going to be just another Prince-related book fade into memory but that depends on the haters. Becuase more people trashing her, the more others going to see sympathy in her and will buy the book. Already I read that five people is going to buy her book because of the haters. I stated before all the anti-Mayte crowd are doing is indirectly helping her, not hurting her.

Menes said:

Why so angry? How does her writing a book about HER journey affect YOUR life in a negative way? Those who appreciate Prince for the musical genius he was will not change their mind about his contributions simply by reading Mayte's memoirs.

SoulAlive said:

--No it was M2. He out the story out there.

awake4now said:

ladygirl99 said:

I understand that Prince loved music and therefore was passion and worked hard at it but that wouldnt do any good if he doesn't have the industry connections to get his first album and money to tour with. But once again, no matter how you spin this, Prince didn't became successful by himself. If it weren't for Chris Moon let him used his studio to record his first album for free and no strings attached (it cost fucking money to produce an album in those days and Prince was too poor to afford studio time) and Owen Husney hustled and begged Warner Bros to sign Prince and give him control over his music, then this site wouldn't exist. The industry can be corrupt but that is the same industry made Prince a star.

I can name more examples but the knowledge is out there. And apparently no matter how much people have issues about Mayte, he was influenced by her enough to have her around through his work and no amount of hate is going to take away that and she was important enough for her to be a mother to his child and to marry her.

What make you sure that the associates who already told their stories didn't ask for a fee exchange to talk to the media or to share exclusive pictures. People tell their stories about celebrities all the time through tabloids and mainstream news for money. But the difference is they did it on the low and Mayte's book deal is more publicized. Don't forget the upcoming concerts by bandmembers who are 'cashing in' as well so why no outrage?

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And how many of the musicians or the people you named in that post are peddling personal information via book deals and using gross headlines to promote it?

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I haven't commented on other cash grabs b/c I'm mindful of this thread's title.

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I'm not going to debate the merits of the music industry with you. The music scene is littered with the damaged and deceased souls who were left with nothing. He spoke against that, possibly to his own detriment.

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Keep stanning for whatsherface. May her new round of "15 minutes" pass quickly. I'm out. I've wasted too much time on this mess today.

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Prince had love and hate for the industry but he used it to his benefit until April 2016. Like I said a few posts back if people want Mayte to fade away, I don't think with a thread of 1000 posts and going on 50,000 views in three days is going to happen at the moment.

ladygirl99 said:

Prince could curse privately or not. My issue isn't whether he did (how would I know) but the notion that of course he did because all celebrities put on a facade for the public. When he told that Rolling Stone interviewer "so much for not cursing" (after the guy said f**k when his zipper caught on his jacket) I don't think he said that because of an image he was trying to project. Same with when he told Marc Anthony to "find other words" and that Marc's swearing would peel the makeup off his face. So yeah it's believable to me that he didn't curse other than maybe an occasional slip up.

NotACleverName said:

Menes said:

I for one clearly believe in patterns. She had a pile of money when she sold that house he gifted her in Spain. She made a pile of money in hollywood pursuant to her divorce. Could you please share your sources/links to this info you are stating as fact? Also, how much, exactly, is a "pile"? Do you recall or have ever heard of any interaction between her and any foundation related to anything remotely close to the syndrome?

It's been roughly 20 years and the details that she will share in the book already have been shared by her a thousand times. You think for the 1,001 time the facts will change as to why people don't really pay attention to this rare disease? I bet you the ORG. has more information about Pfeiffer Syndrome than Mayte cares to read about. There is nothing new that she could possibly add about the death of the baby that would cause the world to have a surge in interest in Pfeiffer syndrome. Funding and grants for research into rare diseases are not looked into because of some neurotic emotional read in a book. Her best bet is to approach philanthropists and cross her fingers. The line is long . I would rather count to one billion than to count on her to be doing any of this for the baby or for Prince. You could smell the contempt in her actions from here to Egypt with a lot of the things that she was doing. She of all people knew him well and had to have known that certainn things would absolutely cause him to have an adverse reaction. The book is no different.

We can ascertain from the pattern of behavior that there is a caviat to her sharing that tragedy in conjunction with the "love story" bullshit connection her and her publicist concocted for months. Profit. I wish we could find out when she started negotiating with the publicist. Was it before or after his death? Why would this matter?

Why so angry? How does her writing a book about HER journey affect YOUR life in a negative way? Those who appreciate Prince for the musical genius he was will not change their mind about his contributions simply by reading Mayte's memoirs.

1."Pile of money"/cash pile= commonly associated with financial wherewithal. Calculate what the house was sold for, calculate means cost code of reality tv show participant, etc. Maybe I should have said " a lot of money"? You fill in the blanks. It wasn't pocket money . You might need me to explain that term too so scratch that.

2.So what if I want to find out when she started negotiations with a publicist?

3.What is this business about "her writing a book affecting your life in a negative way" ? Do you not realize where you are? If anyone is affected by this forum , or any of its' contents, maybe you would know more about that . I don't care. I drop in if I see something of interest and I'm out when I am no longer interested .You can always bypass the thread or the commentary therein.

4.Maybe some will change their mind about his contributions to music and life itself. A lot of people already are in shock about some of the wild claims that are being made.That's exactly the debate that's been going on in here since the thread hit. You can always prance on over to the "safe zone" of the forum and indulge in some commentary on Prince's eyelashes or something . Hope this didnt bother you too much.

morningsong said:

I really wished Prince had journals. I know he wanted to be know thru his art. But many great artist did leave journals and they were insightful.

How do we know he didnt ?

NotACleverName said:

Menes said:

I for one clearly believe in patterns. She had a pile of money when she sold that house he gifted her in Spain. She made a pile of money in hollywood pursuant to her divorce. Could you please share your sources/links to this info you are stating as fact? Also, how much, exactly, is a "pile"? Do you recall or have ever heard of any interaction between her and any foundation related to anything remotely close to the syndrome?

It's been roughly 20 years and the details that she will share in the book already have been shared by her a thousand times. You think for the 1,001 time the facts will change as to why people don't really pay attention to this rare disease? I bet you the ORG. has more information about Pfeiffer Syndrome than Mayte cares to read about. There is nothing new that she could possibly add about the death of the baby that would cause the world to have a surge in interest in Pfeiffer syndrome. Funding and grants for research into rare diseases are not looked into because of some neurotic emotional read in a book. Her best bet is to approach philanthropists and cross her fingers. The line is long . I would rather count to one billion than to count on her to be doing any of this for the baby or for Prince. You could smell the contempt in her actions from here to Egypt with a lot of the things that she was doing. She of all people knew him well and had to have known that certainn things would absolutely cause him to have an adverse reaction. The book is no different.

We can ascertain from the pattern of behavior that there is a caviat to her sharing that tragedy in conjunction with the "love story" bullshit connection her and her publicist concocted for months. Profit. I wish we could find out when she started negotiating with the publicist. Was it before or after his death? Why would this matter?

Why so angry? How does her writing a book about HER journey affect YOUR life in a negative way? Those who appreciate Prince for the musical genius he was will not change their mind about his contributions simply by reading Mayte's memoirs.

So he should still try to control people beyond the grave? Isn't enough that she didn't say anything for 21 years? Why presume it's going to all be negative? It's their experience (collectively) and people should be able to share their journey of their life. So let's not buy anymore Prince music, memorabilia, books, go to PP or any of the Time, Sheila, Revolution, Judith, Andy, Liv, Shelby or NPG shows. Cuz everybody profiting off Prince. He wasn't God and since he is dead, how is he going to have an advese reaction? The whole private persona image is also part of what drew people in. He certainly used that to his advantage and partly for profit or do you think those millions grew on trees in the PP backyard.

Menes said:

1. Your wording indicates that you knew the actual $ amount. If it is just speculation, then say so. Personally, I don't think she made a "pile" of money from the divorce or the reality show. It appears she has been making her own bank since the divorce.....not depending on anyone but herself.
2. Again, what does it matter? The book is a done deal. I am going to read it but it will not change my view about either of them. I only feel empathy that they had so many challenges that could not be overcome by their "love for one another".
3. Well, yes, I do, in fact, know where I am. You can also heed your own advice.
4. You have to admit the man was fine! He really was blessed beyond...

rogifan said:

ladygirl99 said:

Yeah but that is a public request, Prince wanted a more family-friendly image of himself. He even said this in his Rolling Stone 2014 interview that he was happy to see kids coming to his concerts and they were the children of his early fans because he wanted his music to appeal to families. Because there is more money when your products appeal to families, too.

But Prince could also curse privately. A lot of people put up a front publicly to appeal to appeal to their target demographics but are different behind close doors, and I believe that is no exception to Prince. I am sure Mayte might be a different person as well behind close doors. But that is not the point. The point is if Mayte can't write a book (I think she is doing her way since she is not a musician) then the bandmembers shouldn't do these concerts and Tyka shouldn't speak about her brother even though she and Prince had an on and off relationship. The point is dead musicians like Elvis still had tabloids trash him and people who knew him wrote books about him as he been dead for 40 years now but that didn't tarnish his image. People always going to show more support for the dead unless they did very monsterous things.

I understand us fans are protective of Prince's legacy but I think people need to chill and relax about the book. Tell-all books didn't trash the legacies of dead celebrities like Elvis, Tupac (dude still bringing over 20 mil yearly), Lucille Ball (she still brings money to CBS studio yearly) who have a bitchy reputation and wasn't a good mother to her two children and so on. Because people are going to still buy their work years to come.

I believed sixth months from now,the book is going to be just another Prince-related book fade into memory but that depends on the haters. Becuase more people trashing her, the more others going to see sympathy in her and will buy the book. Already I read that five people is going to buy her book because of the haters. I stated before all the anti-Mayte crowd are doing is indirectly helping her, not hurting her.

Prince could curse privately or not. My issue isn't whether he did (how would I know) but the notion that of course he did because all celebrities put on a facade for the public. When he told that Rolling Stone interviewer "so much for not cursing" (after the guy said f**k when his zipper caught on his jacket) I don't think he said that because of an image he was trying to project. Same with when he told Marc Anthony to "find other words" and that Marc's swearing would peel the makeup off his face. So yeah it's believable to me that he didn't curse other than maybe an occasional slip up.

That was I trying to say a few posts back he was trying to be family friendly artist and also with his religion he was striving to be flawless and sanctimonious but I don't believe he totally stop cursing in private. He was still human. Even the most super religious person does fuck up shit sometimes. I think that blind item must have leak out by one of his former employees or associates who must saw one of his tantrums. Some of the blind items not all false you know they leaked that way so they won't get sued.

And even Mayte's latest interview (thetimes.co.uk) with she stated Prince had two personalities. Prince admitted he had multiple personalities. All I am saying is fans need to be open-minded when it comes to these damn celebrities and stop thinking they are being their true selves just because their PR and manager create a fake image for them to use to fans. if they would been open-minded about Prince, I don't believe Mayte wouldn't receive all of this backlash of this book.

Just a quick thought if I may....

I just picked up the People Magazine issue and I've realized lately that although at first I didn't like it, I now very much dig Mayte's wrist tattoo in honor of Prince....
It suits her just perfectly. Very pretty,

goncrazy said:

I don't fault her for writing a book and I'm going to read it. That being said... how did she leave that marriage without her baby's ashes? How could she not care enough then to get them. And now she's saying he had them and burned them making him look bad. I think the assistant should speak up about this. It wasn't one of the twins that were supposed to care for the baby.. different assistant. She had many years to speak up about them. Ask him for them. I certainly would have kept after him if it was me. Wow. Just wow!

Lovejunky said:

We don't. I'm just not banking he did. If he did and the family decides to release them I'mma dance a jig, cause then we get a rebuttal to all this.

NotACleverName said:

Menes said:

1."Pile of money"/cash pile= commonly associated with financial wherewithal. Calculate what the house was sold for, calculate means cost code of reality tv show participant, etc. Maybe I should have said " a lot of money"? You fill in the blanks. It wasn't pocket money . You might need me to explain that term too so scratch that.

2.So what if I want to find out when she started negotiations with a publicist?

3.What is this business about "her writing a book affecting your life in a negative way" ? Do you not realize where you are? If anyone is affected by this forum , or any of its' contents, maybe you would know more about that . I don't care. I drop in if I see something of interest and I'm out when I am no longer interested .You can always bypass the thread or the commentary therein.

4.Maybe some will change their mind about his contributions to music and life itself. A lot of people already are in shock about some of the wild claims that are being made.That's exactly the debate that's been going on in here since the thread hit. You can always prance on over to the "safe zone" of the forum and indulge in some commentary on Prince's eyelashes or something . Hope this didnt bother you too much.

1. Your wording indicates that you knew the actual $ amount. If it is just speculation, then say so. Personally, I don't think she made a "pile" of money from the divorce or the reality show. It appears she has been making her own bank since the divorce.....not depending on anyone but herself. 2. Again, what does it matter? The book is a done deal. I am going to read it but it will not change my view about either of them. I only feel empathy that they had so many challenges that could not be overcome by their "love for one another". 3. Well, yes, I do, in fact, know where I am. You can also heed your own advice. 4. You have to admit the man was fine! He really was blessed beyond...

You are correct, I do know. It's simple, because the information is available. Sometimes simple things escape the simple mind. Sorta like that "pile of money"thing. I dont care if it matters to you, I want to know and that's good enough for me. I am where I am because I am here, for now.

Menes said:

joytotheworld said:

Maybe his having a will was mentioned to his family and they have no obligation to broadcast that. She has been at the memorials and tributes so more than likely it was mentioned. Duh.

Yes yes, I bet it was a rather profound exchange of information between Mayte and the family during the services. I could hear it now:

Tyka: (whispering during the service)"You know my brother burnt up your shit and sprayed the babies ashes under Larry's front porch, right?"

Mayte:"Oh thats ok , at least them pills I was giving him caught up to him finally. Oh, and you will never find that will".

Tyka: " What bitch?"

(While Larry sings "rock of ages and passes around a collection plate for the "urn")...

Mayte:" Read the book, I dont want to disrespect my ex-husband like that".

Leopard52 said:

goncrazy said:

I think that would be the first thing I would be trying to get after my husband died if he had them.

I don't fault her for writing a book and I'm going to read it. That being said... how did she leave that marriage without her baby's ashes? How could she not care enough then to get them. And now she's saying he had them and burned them making him look bad. I think the assistant should speak up about this. It wasn't one of the twins that were supposed to care for the baby.. different assistant. She had many years to speak up about them. Ask him for them. I certainly would have kept after him if it was me. Wow. Just wow!

I, too, have been wondering whatever happened to Amiir's ashes. And Leopard52, I share your sentiments. I read the People article and I can't figure out if the excerpt is a continuous excerpt or several smaller excerpts from the book. I guess I will find out soon enough (April 4th).

Mumio said:

Menes said:

Yes yes, I bet it was a rather profound exchange of information between Mayte and the family during the services. I could hear it now:

Tyka: (whispering during the service)"You know my brother burnt up your shit and sprayed the babies ashes under Larry's front porch, right?"

Mayte:"Oh thats ok , at least them pills I was giving him caught up to him finally. Oh, and you will never find that will".

Tyka: " What bitch?"

(While Larry sings "rock of ages and passes around a collection plate for the "urn")...

Mayte:" Read the book, I dont want to disrespect my ex-husband like that".

You're gonnna get me in trouble. I'm fresh off of probation. My hand slipped.

disch said:

I think when the other party is dead (I mean Prince here) what he "might want" doesn't carry as much weight anymore. Sort of the nature of death, it seems.

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As for describing her child's appearance, I read the People excerpt and through the description, while incredible sad, was tasteful and not overly lurid. (I don't know what the rest of the book says.) I don't think, in general, that never speaking of these sort of conditions publicly is necessarily the right position to take. Sadly, there are many children born with conditions that affect them physically and are sometimes even fatal. I don't think people should feel like this can't be spoken of openly and honestly.

BillieBalloon said:

GimmeThat said: What if the other party didnt want their story sold and valued his privacy alo ng with that of his dead son? Children have a right to privacy also and its not necessary to describe a childs physical appearance and share it with the world in a way that will inevitably cause morbid curiosity. Many many celebrities keep their children out of the public eye.

disch, I agree with you about the description of Amiir's appearance. Look, Pfeiffer Syndrome Type 2 is not a pretty condition. I even read an article about the family of a 6-year-old boy who lives in Flordia and has Pfeiffer Syndrome Type 2. The boy's name is William. William's mother, Lisa Feller, said the following in the article: Feller is matter-of-fact about it. “When he was born, it was very difficult to look at him,” she said. (Source: http://jacksonville.com/n...condition)

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Amiir may have had severe deformities, but he was still Prince and Mayte's much-wanted, beloved son. He was their creation. They loved him so much that his death caused Mayte to become suicidal and was the beginning of the end of their marriage.

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I have said it before on other threads (e.g. Where did it all turn for Prince), and I still believe, that Prince's pain was as much, if not more, emotional as it was physical. And the #1 emotional pain he experienced in his life was the death of his son. The lack of songs about Amiir's death and P's unwillingness to acknowledge Amiir's death says something about the pain of the loss...it was so painful that it was, for the most part, unspeakably painful. Prince, who was SO revealing about so many aspects of his life in his music, has 1 or 2 songs about his son's death in his published catalogue ("Comeback" for sure and possibly "Until U're in My Arms Again").

[Edited 3/18/17 19:26pm]

Menes said:

Mumio said:

You're gonnna get me in trouble. I'm fresh off of probation. My hand slipped.

Militant said:

least87 said:

I have the book on order and of course plan to read it but there's something about seeing this headline. I can't imagine what Prince would think of it.

He's not here. That's the point. Isn't it better that the people he left behind tell their stories, as long as it's done out of love? They certainly have the right to do so.

If you read the excerpt, it's heart-breaking stuff. Everyone who reads it will feel such sympathy for Prince and Mayte over these events. Most couples probably wouldn't survive it, let alone a famous couple with so many other pressures.

Prince didn't like anyone talking about him. If he walked into a 7-11 and bought a soda and then the person who served him told his friend "Hey, Prince came in today" - Prince wouldn't like it. That's because he built his career from mystery and enigma as well as talent. He's the guy who didn't do interviews when he had the biggest album in the world.

But you can't maintain enigma when you're gone.

If anything, I personally feel like everyone who has a story to tell, should tell it. Because that's all that's left now. It humanises him. It allows us to see him as a multi-dimensional human being.

Mayte was unquestionably one of the most important relationships in Prince's entire life. Nobody is going to deny that. I personally support her telling her story. Other people won't, and that's their prerogative.

benni said:

purplerabbithole said:

I feel for mayte more than you folks realize. I just don't think she was "forced" to do anything. She loved Prince and probably to some extent the lifestyle so went along. Now forcing people to keep his story out of the press doesnt mean they could not have told the entirety of their story to friends and family. Yes I am extremely weary about people running to the press about their lives. An artist exposes themselves but it is in disguise. I just don't understand the need to tell random strangers about your life unless it is to defend yourself and Mayte had nothing to defend.

An artist exposes themselves, period. I've written a book about my childhood and some of those that were involved in my childhood are no longer alive. Should I have not written about it? My intention for writing about it was to bring attention to the fact that stuff I went through happens and it's not always obvious that it is occurring. I have nothing to defend. But it is my story, my life, my experiences and the thoughts and feelings of my experiences. If it helps one person who has gone through something similar, then I feel that writing it and going through the pain and heartbreak all over again to put it to paper was worth it. And it was also liberating, to finally speak about something that I had to keep so secret as a child and to the tell the whole world: I matter. My experiences matter. My feelings matter. My thoughts matter. I am someone of value.

But going by what you are saying, what laurarichardson is saying, I should not tell my story because I'm making my money off someone else, even though it is MY story and MY experiences, MY feelings and MY thoughts.

As for Prince not forcing her to do anything, what you (and laurarichardson) forget is that Prince was a VERY controlling person. I don't know if you've ever lived your time around someone like that, but I have. Yes, you are forced to go along with what they say, especially if they started grooming you while you were young (as in Mayte's case when she first came to Prince). Yes, she loved Prince, but it does not in any form change the fact that Prince was very controlling of those he loved. When you deal with an individual like that, you often give in to them whether you really want to or not. You believe that how you feel about it isn't important enough to warrant fighting back. I'm not dissing Prince here. Even Prince admitted once that he was very controlling. This idea that once she was 18 she was free to make her own decisions is erroneous because around individuals that are very controlling, if you want to keep the peace and be with the one you love, you submit to their will. And even if you don't want to keep the peace and be around them, if you've been conditioned on how to respond and react, you submit to their will.

Prince said in an interview that the reason for seeking an anullment was because that piece of paper made him feel like he had the right to be controlling of her. He saw what he was doing, knew what he was doing. And I think that's one of the reasons why he didn't want to be around her any more. She was not only a reminder of their son, but a reminder of who he became while married to her. The fact that you and laurarichardson think she was able to make her own decisions and fight against the things she didn't like tells me that you both were blessed to not go through anything like that and therefore cannot imagine anyone submitting to another like that. I envy you that. Unfortunately, I know that submission too well.

benni, what interview?

ufoclub said:

Just scanning a few posts in this thread. Predictably a lot of fans are upset by the honesty of Mayte's account of the birth of their tragic son, and are criticizing it as being told like horror genre (she uses the word "horrified". She described the physicality of his disorder). I think those fans just can't bear to realize that some parts of life, even Mayte's, and even Prince's were as bad as it can get. Even horrific. It's true for anyone. Part of the point of this book is to illuminate that, and for her to finally escape the denial of it (that denial Prince wanted when he was alive). Denial is horrible for psychological health. It's certainly unhealthy for politics, society, and art, and humanity in general. Bad and unpredictable things happen because of denial... in your life too.

If you read the whole book, you might see what she has woven in a different light.

ufoclub, You wrote your thoughts beautifully, and I completely agree with you.

206Michelle said:

benni said:

An artist exposes themselves, period. I've written a book about my childhood and some of those that were involved in my childhood are no longer alive. Should I have not written about it? My intention for writing about it was to bring attention to the fact that stuff I went through happens and it's not always obvious that it is occurring. I have nothing to defend. But it is my story, my life, my experiences and the thoughts and feelings of my experiences. If it helps one person who has gone through something similar, then I feel that writing it and going through the pain and heartbreak all over again to put it to paper was worth it. And it was also liberating, to finally speak about something that I had to keep so secret as a child and to the tell the whole world: I matter. My experiences matter. My feelings matter. My thoughts matter. I am someone of value.

But going by what you are saying, what laurarichardson is saying, I should not tell my story because I'm making my money off someone else, even though it is MY story and MY experiences, MY feelings and MY thoughts.

As for Prince not forcing her to do anything, what you (and laurarichardson) forget is that Prince was a VERY controlling person. I don't know if you've ever lived your time around someone like that, but I have. Yes, you are forced to go along with what they say, especially if they started grooming you while you were young (as in Mayte's case when she first came to Prince). Yes, she loved Prince, but it does not in any form change the fact that Prince was very controlling of those he loved. When you deal with an individual like that, you often give in to them whether you really want to or not. You believe that how you feel about it isn't important enough to warrant fighting back. I'm not dissing Prince here. Even Prince admitted once that he was very controlling. This idea that once she was 18 she was free to make her own decisions is erroneous because around individuals that are very controlling, if you want to keep the peace and be with the one you love, you submit to their will. And even if you don't want to keep the peace and be around them, if you've been conditioned on how to respond and react, you submit to their will.

Prince said in an interview that the reason for seeking an anullment was because that piece of paper made him feel like he had the right to be controlling of her. He saw what he was doing, knew what he was doing. And I think that's one of the reasons why he didn't want to be around her any more. She was not only a reminder of their son, but a reminder of who he became while married to her. The fact that you and laurarichardson think she was able to make her own decisions and fight against the things she didn't like tells me that you both were blessed to not go through anything like that and therefore cannot imagine anyone submitting to another like that. I envy you that. Unfortunately, I know that submission too well.

benni, what interview?

benni..I also read that interview..He mentions that he got very jealous of people getting close to her...that the marriage made him feel some kind of ownership over her and that he didnt like that...

I recall reading this and admiring Ps ability to make posative internal adjustments...

It seems that introspection was a powerful tool for him..it seems to guide his inner growth and propel him to keep moving forward.