cloveringold85 said:

Manuela made a statement to the Judge and she specifically said that there is nothing in the divorce documents that had anything to do with his death, which means that there is nothing in there that suggests he used 'drugs'. I think the reason why she wants to keep the divorce docs sealed is because of financial reasons. We already know that Prince gave more to M2 than he did for M1 (as the ex-wives are now called), and it would cause a big rift between them, because they are supposedly friends. That's how I look at it.

I dont recall Mani saying that at all.

She wouldnt need to say to the Judge there is nothing in the divorce documents that has anything to do with his death because the Judge knows what is in the file because he has complete and total access to the divorce file.

Also, how do we know P gave more money to Mani than Mayte?

i wouldn't call the reason i want to know "nosey" I think it's just human to want to know. It's also probably behind most of our human thoughts of the afterlife, we want to know where the essence of a life goes, but it's a total mystery. I think wanting to know is natural, i don't think it's unhealthy really. I think shame and secrecy are unhealthy. Some people don't want to know and that's ok too.

oliviacamron said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I agree.

Well ,I'll admit I'm nosey and want to know anyway

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Oh, Olivia!

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

cloveringold85 said:

Manuela made a statement to the Judge and she specifically said that there is nothing in the divorce documents that had anything to do with his death, which means that there is nothing in there that suggests he used 'drugs'. I think the reason why she wants to keep the divorce docs sealed is because of financial reasons. We already know that Prince gave more to M2 than he did for M1 (as the ex-wives are now called), and it would cause a big rift between them, because they are supposedly friends. That's how I look at it.

I dont recall Mani saying that at all.

She wouldnt need to say to the Judge there is nothing in the divorce documents that has anything to do with his death because the Judge knows what is in the file because he has complete and total access to the divorce file.

Also, how do we know P gave more money to Mani than Mayte?

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Quote from Manuela: "Ms. Testolini states that the sealed files have nothing to do with Mr. Nelson's death and its subsequent legal issues. If that proves to be true, information disclosed is unlikely to subject her to a higher level of unwanted public attention than she has already received," Fraser wrote.

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http://www.startribune.co...390211731/

Manuela got more money than Mayte did; this is not news. It's been discussed on the Org many, many times, as well as other sites.

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With her rich husband's money Manuela Testolini opened her business selling scented candles and perfume oils and Prince bought her a 12 million dollars mansion in Canada while they lived together there and he had to pay all her legal bills when she decided to divorce him. And she received alimony money from his estate for years. Manuela is a smart gold digger.

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http://www.lipstickalley....ince/page8

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Furthermore, Prince gave her money for her charities and helped her with her business. She wouldn't have had anything, if it hadn't been for Prince. He helped her because he cared about helping other's and supporting a good cause.

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I was just watching a John Denver Bio, did a little reading, John had a nasty divorce from his first wife, I had to laugh when I read that he tried to choke the woman and cut their bed in half after being angry about the divorce settlement. I never take what either party says when those kinds of relationships get bad, too seriously. It's not uncommone for them to get very nasty. Mani does appear to be a true gold digger though. Us men got to take the blame too, there are some really, really good women out there and we'll overlook them for the bad ones every time.

coldasice said:

You can always tell a newbie.

Just like you can always tell who is unfunky and unpurple by how often they feel the need to call people newbies on the internet?

oliviacamron said:

leadline said:

Without seeing him in person that is a very subjective thing. I will continue to stick with what my eyes saw, and, more importantly, what the feet on the street (those closest to him) saw.

Adrian Crutchfield ‏@GOODSAX Aug 21

Like i been saying.... #theivesnthetemple... and dont believe the hype. Wasnt an accident...

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That's a big find. He said Prince's death was NOT an accident,thieves in the temple! That's means murder not suicide bty. He also said something in the water does not compute.

i am sorry...but was his self inflicted overdose 6 days earlier murder?!?! sad truth is Prince was a reckless drug user and it cost him his lifea and our grief... #truefact

IamBryan said:

IamBryan said:

oliviacamron said:

laurarichardson said:

IamBryan said:

laurarichardson said:

-- All we know about Moline is what TMZ told us. No one has found a copy of the EMT report and we have no info from the hospital. Even Dr. Drew said it did not sound like an opiad overdose from Judith Hill described but more like seziure. You do realize that these pills can have a terriable effect on your health over a period of time.

Well there are privacy laws... 2 shots of Narcan brought him back... with regards to tmz they're pretty accurate in their reporting... why are some people afraid to say Prince had an addiction problem?? He was human after all

No privacy laws have nothing to do with it. Many states post EMT transcripts or you can get them by request. The Carver County police/ emt transcripts are avalible for viewing. We know exactly when the EMT's arrived at Paisley Park and we know they came in 2014 and 2015 to take away a 54 year old male to the hospital for dehydration.

Some states do not post the information but it can be obtained. I never saw any transcripts from Moline saying what the EMT's were doing.

We also know that TMZ is not always accurate because they said Prince left the hospital because he could not get a private room in some sort of huff. Judith Hill said the stay until noon the next day and he was very calm. TMZ could have checked fligth logs to find out when he left but that would have interefered with their blantant lies and revenue generation.

They have been caught in lies before as have most tabloids. No one is saying he did not have a problem with these meds he was seeing a doctor for withdrawals after all we are just saying their is a difference between being dependent and a addict. No one who worked with him on a day to day basis saw a drug addict and they have no reason to lie. Estates cannot sue so why would they keep saying the same thing 7 months out?

Adrian Crutchfield sounds very credible to me and regardless of the circumstances surrounding his passing, he had a zest for life that should be inspirational to anybody-keep moving forward with any creative pursuit in light of life's obstacles. I hope the Black Is The New Black album is released because I always dug his instrumental projects from Madhouse to N.E.W.S. What Adrian said won't quell ridiculous murder conspiracy theories but at least it's insight from a person who was around P in his last days.

bashraka said:

laurarichardson said:

IamBryan said:

i am sorry...but was his self inflicted overdose 6 days earlier murder?!?! sad truth is Prince was a reckless drug user and it cost him his lifea and our grief... #truefact

-- All we know about Moline is what TMZ told us. No one has found a copy of the EMT report and we have no info from the hospital. Even Dr. Drew said it did not sound like an opiad overdose from Judith Hill described but more like seziure. You do realize that these pills can have a terriable effect on your health over a period of time.

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Laura, thanks for bringing that up again about Moline. We still don't know what actually happened, and feel the same you do with regard to what Dr. Drew stated -- seems like syptoms of a seizure and not O/D.

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So many things we just do not know for sure!

laurarichardson said:

IamBryan said:

laurarichardson said: Well there are privacy laws... 2 shots of Narcan brought him back... with regards to tmz they're pretty accurate in their reporting... why are some people afraid to say Prince had an addiction problem?? He was human after all

No privacy laws have nothing to do with it. Many states post EMT transcripts or you can get them by request. The Carver County police/ emt transcripts are avalible for viewing. We know exactly when the EMT's arrived at Paisley Park and we know they came in 2014 and 2015 to take away a 54 year old male to the hospital for dehydration.

Some states do not post the information but it can be obtained. I never saw any transcripts from Moline saying what the EMT's were doing.

We also know that TMZ is not always accurate because they said Prince left the hospital because he could not get a private room in some sort of huff. Judith Hill said the stay until noon the next day and he was very calm. TMZ could have checked fligth logs to find out when he left but that would have interefered with their blantant lies and revenue generation.

They have been caught in lies before as have most tabloids. No one is saying he did not have a problem with these meds he was seeing a doctor for withdrawals after all we are just saying their is a difference between being dependent and a addict. No one who worked with him on a day to day basis saw a drug addict and they have no reason to lie. Estates cannot sue so why would they keep saying the same thing 7 months out?

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TMZ is accurate?

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TMZ hires people to stalk celebrities! This is what they do. Also, let's not forget about Raffles Van Excel, who has been giving info to TMZ for quite some time. We are talking about a man who is connected to the death/murders of Whitney (her drug connection) & MJ and now even possibly Prince!

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TMZ is not credible news!

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cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

No privacy laws have nothing to do with it. Many states post EMT transcripts or you can get them by request. The Carver County police/ emt transcripts are avalible for viewing. We know exactly when the EMT's arrived at Paisley Park and we know they came in 2014 and 2015 to take away a 54 year old male to the hospital for dehydration.

Some states do not post the information but it can be obtained. I never saw any transcripts from Moline saying what the EMT's were doing.

We also know that TMZ is not always accurate because they said Prince left the hospital because he could not get a private room in some sort of huff. Judith Hill said the stay until noon the next day and he was very calm. TMZ could have checked fligth logs to find out when he left but that would have interefered with their blantant lies and revenue generation.

They have been caught in lies before as have most tabloids. No one is saying he did not have a problem with these meds he was seeing a doctor for withdrawals after all we are just saying their is a difference between being dependent and a addict. No one who worked with him on a day to day basis saw a drug addict and they have no reason to lie. Estates cannot sue so why would they keep saying the same thing 7 months out?

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TMZ is accurate?

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TMZ hires people to stalk celebrities! This is what they do. Also, let's not forget about Raffles Van Excel, who has been giving info to TMZ for quite some time. We are talking about a man who is connected to the death/murders of Whitney (her drug connection) & MJ and now even possibly Prince!

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TMZ is not credible news!

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Not feeling TMZ?? How about Judith Hill and the NY Times??? Her own words...doesn't sound like a seizure??? Does it? Classic case of an OD....

IamBryan said:

cloveringold85 said:

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TMZ is accurate?

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TMZ hires people to stalk celebrities! This is what they do. Also, let's not forget about Raffles Van Excel, who has been giving info to TMZ for quite some time. We are talking about a man who is connected to the death/murders of Whitney (her drug connection) & MJ and now even possibly Prince!

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TMZ is not credible news!

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Not feeling TMZ?? How about Judith Hill and the NY Times??? Her own words...doesn't sound like a seizure??? Does it? Classic case of an OD....

“His eyes fixed,” just before he nodded off across a table from her, Ms. Hill, 32, recalled in an interview here, speaking for the first time about her presence on the April 15 flight from Atlanta, after Prince’s two shows there. Only one other passenger was on the private jet, Prince’s longtime friend and aide Kirk Johnson. They were bound for Paisley Park, Prince’s estate outside Minneapolis.

According to flight-tracking reports, the chartered 1988 Dassault Falcon 900 took off at 12:51 a.m. from Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport and was near Chicago, less than an hour from its destination, when Ms. Hill witnessed Prince fall unconscious. If she had glanced away in that instant, down at her phone or purse, she might have thought he had simply dozed off. “Thankfully, I happened to be looking into his face,” she said.

She immediately got Mr. Johnson, who was near the front of the plane. And when they couldn’t rouse Prince, they alerted the pilot, who called air traffic controllers in Chicago for help at 1:12 a.m., reporting an unresponsive man on board. “We knew it was only a matter of time; we had to get down,” Ms. Hill said. “We didn’t have anything on the plane to help him.”

Ms. Hill was “very freaked out,” she said, as they kept trying to wake him, shaking him and calling his name, while the plane descended. At 1:17 a.m., it made an emergency landing in Moline, Ill., where an ambulance met them. Paramedics and Mr. Johnson carried Prince, 57, into the vehicle, and he was revived on the tarmac with a shot of Narcan, which is typically used to treat opioid overdoses. Eighteen minutes after landing, the ambulance took him to nearby Trinity Moline Hospital.

I don't believe TMZ, Hill, or the New York Times know the full story on what Prince was facing and going though. As I say before Tmz should not be celebrated for diging into peoples personl heatlh information. You have to think on how they get this information from.

• when people od their eyes don't fix but they pass out/nod off.
• when people have petite seizures their eyes do fix and they may or may not pass out but there is usually "recovery period". they are usually groggy and dazed and often don't know what happened.
• she said his eyes fixed and then he fell over, i've seen this countless times in people i know who have epilepsy. anybody familiar with epilepsy will recognize this.

until we see the report from moline it's a question mark.

IamBryan said:

cloveringold85 said:

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TMZ is accurate?

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TMZ hires people to stalk celebrities! This is what they do. Also, let's not forget about Raffles Van Excel, who has been giving info to TMZ for quite some time. We are talking about a man who is connected to the death/murders of Whitney (her drug connection) & MJ and now even possibly Prince!

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TMZ is not credible news!

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Not feeling TMZ?? How about Judith Hill and the NY Times??? Her own words...doesn't sound like a seizure??? Does it? Classic case of an OD....

“His eyes fixed,” just before he nodded off across a table from her, Ms. Hill, 32, recalled in an interview here, speaking for the first time about her presence on the April 15 flight from Atlanta, after Prince’s two shows there. Only one other passenger was on the private jet, Prince’s longtime friend and aide Kirk Johnson. They were bound for Paisley Park, Prince’s estate outside Minneapolis.

According to flight-tracking reports, the chartered 1988 Dassault Falcon 900 took off at 12:51 a.m. from Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport and was near Chicago, less than an hour from its destination, when Ms. Hill witnessed Prince fall unconscious. If she had glanced away in that instant, down at her phone or purse, she might have thought he had simply dozed off. “Thankfully, I happened to be looking into his face,” she said.

She immediately got Mr. Johnson, who was near the front of the plane. And when they couldn’t rouse Prince, they alerted the pilot, who called air traffic controllers in Chicago for help at 1:12 a.m., reporting an unresponsive man on board. “We knew it was only a matter of time; we had to get down,” Ms. Hill said. “We didn’t have anything on the plane to help him.”

Ms. Hill was “very freaked out,” she said, as they kept trying to wake him, shaking him and calling his name, while the plane descended. At 1:17 a.m., it made an emergency landing in Moline, Ill., where an ambulance met them. Paramedics and Mr. Johnson carried Prince, 57, into the vehicle, and he was revived on the tarmac with a shot of Narcan, which is typically used to treat opioid overdoses. Eighteen minutes after landing, the ambulance took him to nearby Trinity Moline Hospital.

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Yes, I have read the interview with Judith Hill. She never said that Prince overdosed. At least I have never heard her confirm that.

wavesofbliss said:

• when people od their eyes don't fix but they pass out/nod off.
• when people have petite seizures their eyes do fix and they may or may not pass out but there is usually "recovery period". they are usually groggy and dazed and often don't know what happened.
• she said his eyes fixed and then he fell over, i've seen this countless times in people i know who have epilepsy. anybody familiar with epilepsy will recognize this.

until we see the report from moline it's a question mark.

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Thank You!!

rogifan said:

Why has this thread turned into another drug thread. Sigh.

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I know, it always seems to go that way, doesn't it? I think it's because everything ties-in with what happened on April 21, 2016.

wavesofbliss said:

• when people od their eyes don't fix but they pass out/nod off.
• when people have petite seizures their eyes do fix and they may or may not pass out but there is usually "recovery period". they are usually groggy and dazed and often don't know what happened.
• she said his eyes fixed and then he fell over, i've seen this countless times in people i know who have epilepsy. anybody familiar with epilepsy will recognize this.

until we see the report from moline it's a question mark.

Yeah this! Seems to me that Tina Marie's cause of death was from a seizure not her first that occurred from a picture falling on her years ago. Having a family member that did the same blank stare and was too young for drugs...it sounds like P had a seizure.

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joytotheworld said:

wavesofbliss said:

• when people od their eyes don't fix but they pass out/nod off.
• when people have petite seizures their eyes do fix and they may or may not pass out but there is usually "recovery period". they are usually groggy and dazed and often don't know what happened.
• she said his eyes fixed and then he fell over, i've seen this countless times in people i know who have epilepsy. anybody familiar with epilepsy will recognize this.

until we see the report from moline it's a question mark.

Yeah this! Seems to me that Tina Marie's cause of death was from a seizure not her first that occurred from a picture falling on her years ago. Having a family member that did the same blank stare and was too young for drugs...it sounds like P had a seizure.

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Teena Marie! Oh, that was so sad. I miss her!

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Hate to say this but, it's a bit ironic/strange that Vanity died right before Prince. Teena Marie passed away just a few short years after Rick James.

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They were reunited in heaven.

rogifan said:

Why has this thread turned into another drug thread. Sigh.

Because people are intent on derailing virtually every thread here on the org instead of confining these "theories" to the two threads already designated for that kind of conversation.

Mumio said:

rogifan said:

Why has this thread turned into another drug thread. Sigh.

Because people are intent on derailing virtually every thread here on the org instead of confining these "theories" to the two threads already designated for that kind of conversation.

- Agree. It really sucks

rogifan said:

Why has this thread turned into another drug thread. Sigh.

we will never know the "demons" of Prince and what he was dealing with... that's true... it is IMO... he had a depedancy/addiction to pain killers... that is true.... He had unprescribed drugs in his home and in his system when they found him...that is true... Do you really think Prince woke up on 4.21 and said hmmm... i wonder what's in the pill bottle?? Well, i dont know...so I will just take it and see what happens... he knew what it was and what he was doing... sadly, no one could help him in time and we are left to deal with this and can only ask...why?