I guarantee you, Tyka was told what to say and I don't believe her or Prince's family really knew much of anything that was going on (IF anything was going on, i.e., drug use), etc. You have to understand, Prince was not close to any of his siblings. I feel bad for Tyka and the entire family and the estate and everything they have to deal with now. It's a living nightmare!

cloveringold85 said:

I guarantee you, Tyka was told what to say and I don't believe her or Prince's family really knew much of anything that was going on (IF anything was going on, i.e., drug use), etc. You have to understand, Prince was not close to any of his siblings. I feel bad for Tyka and the entire family and the estate and everything they have to deal with now. It's a living nightmare!

He told are what to say and for what reason. After all her comments made not a blip in media since no one seems to really care about what was going on with Prince's

How do you know Prince was not close to his siblings. They all lived in homes he owned and within close proximy. Tyka was at the last party and with him in Baltimore last year. No one has put forth any proof that he disliked his siblings.

coldasice said:

You can always tell a newbie. After a while you learn what Prince planned changed Daily. Lesson 2 nobody not even his band knew what was next.

He was around for 4 years does that make him a newbie? There is artwork for Black Is The New Black and the promoter in Austraila said he was drawing up contracts for the band to come back in November with one half of the show being piano and the second half being with a band.

You have other members of this band who have discussed this project. You have multiple sources discussing this project all they can do is tell us what they know. Are they all lying?

I Adrian.

He said the last time he was in the studio with P was February 2016. They recorded Black is the New Black from November 2015 through Febuary 2016.

Adrian said when he toured PP he could not go into Studio A because it was the last place he was in at PP.

He mentioned the BITNB album was recorded with him, and MonoNeon and he mentioned Kirk.

Adrian was supposed to do an after party after the Atlanta show but then got word that P wasnt feeling well and not to come down because the after party wasnt going to happen.

Adrian is going to finish out the year with Lionel.

Last year on New Years Eve he was in St. Bart's with Prince. He told several stories about St. Bart.

Prince helped him build his pedal board.
I listened to this podcast after drinking wine so it may be incorrect .

wavesofbliss said:

oliviacamron said:

wavesofbliss said:

adrian said that he can spot a drug addict or former drug addict immediately because he's been around so many of them; family, freinds etc. he said that because of this he believed that there was no way that prince was an addict. he kept saying thieves in the temple and then gave prince props for being a shit with WB. adrian feels that WB have been preparing for this(prince's death) and now they can release whatever they want-music prince wanted them to have and music that he didn't want them to have. the rest is about 'black is the new black'.

What do you mean when you said Adrian feels like Warners was preparing for Prince's death? Like Warners just couldn't wait on Prince to die so they could cash in? Or Warners prepared Prince's death like Warners made it happen? Thieves in the temple he said again huh? He tweets Prince death not an accident.

"Preparing for Prince's death" doesn't mean preparing to kill Prince. His opinion is that Warner's were ready to cash in. But it's hardly surprising they're profiting from his passing.

oliviacamron said:

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

I guarantee you, Tyka was told what to say and I don't believe her or Prince's family really knew much of anything that was going on (IF anything was going on, i.e., drug use), etc. You have to understand, Prince was not close to any of his siblings. I feel bad for Tyka and the entire family and the estate and everything they have to deal with now. It's a living nightmare!

He told are what to say and for what reason. After all her comments made not a blip in media since no one seems to really care about what was going on with Prince's

How do you know Prince was not close to his siblings. They all lived in homes he owned and within close proximy. Tyka was at the last party and with him in Baltimore last year. No one has put forth any proof that he disliked his siblings.

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No, the media is avoiding discussing Prince; at least on TV, but it's all over the internet.

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I read stories of problems Prince had with his siblings over the years. Maybe he made amends with them later on?

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Lots of people have family who live close by, but they don't necessarily have relationships with them.

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My huband and I both have members of our family who we do not associate with, although it was not our choosing. Not everyone has a perfect family. Just saying.

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I Adrian.

He said the last time he was in the studio with P was February 2016. They recorded Black is the New Black from November 2015 through Febuary 2016.

Adrian said when he toured PP he could not go into Studio A because it was the last place he was in at PP.

He mentioned the BITNB album was recorded with him, and MonoNeon and he mentioned Kirk.

Adrian was supposed to do an after party after the Atlanta show but then got word that P wasnt feeling well and not to come down because the after party wasnt going to happen.

Adrian is going to finish out the year with Lionel.

Last year on New Years Eve he was in St. Bart's with Prince. He told several stories about St. Bart.

Prince helped him build his pedal board.
I listened to this podcast after drinking wine so it may be incorrect .

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Prince looked very thin when he was in St. Barts for the new year's performance. All these reports about Prince not feeling well, you would think that someone would know what was going on with him, geesh!! smh

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

airth said:

"Preparing for Prince's death" doesn't mean preparing to kill Prince. His opinion is that Warner's were ready to cash in. But it's hardly surprising they're profiting from his passing.

Thank you, really glad you said that! And I'll point out that many have been/are profiting from his passing.

When he was talking about BLM and he said "All lives can't matter until black lives matter" I was like...

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I guess it's not a new soundbite, but it just cut right to the heart of this type of thinking (the All live matters BS) - And this is not exclusive to BLM, any time you have people speaking up saying "hey! Look at this bullshit that is happening, it needs to change" and you have dumbasses trying to deflect it with doublespeak - this is my new single phrase for combating all that.

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NouveauDance said:

laurarichardson said:

---- If Adrian sold drugs and had drug addicts in family why would he not know what he his talking about. In addition, because Prince was taking pain meds does not mean he was addicted but just dependent. If he was seeing a doctor for withdrawals he was obviously reducing his pain meds. I am not sure why people don't see this as no one who worked with saw him overcome with drugs.

Clearly Prince kept it very private that he was using pain meds, even legitimately. But in the podcast Adrian also seemed to phrase it in a way that denied it was happening at all, talking about his clean living etc.

Obviously there is a difference between hanging out in recording studios shooting up, smoking crack etc and being hooked on prescription pain meds initially used for legitimate reasons - at least I think there's a difference, others may disagree. But by your own words he was seeing a doctor to reduce his usage, ergo he was a drug user. Adrian seemed to be saying he wasn't, at all.

laurarichardson said:

NouveauDance said:

When he was talking about BLM and he said "All lives can't matter until black lives matter" I was like...

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I guess it's not a new soundbite, but it just cut right to the heart of this type of thinking (the All live matters BS) - And this is not exclusive to BLM, any time you have people speaking up saying "hey! Look at this bullshit that is happening, it needs to change" and you have dumbasses trying to deflect it with doublespeak - this is my new single phrase for combating all that.

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---- If Adrian sold drugs and had drug addicts in family why would he not know what he his talking about. In addition, because Prince was taking pain meds does not mean he was addicted but just dependent. If he was seeing a doctor for withdrawals he was obviously reducing his pain meds. I am not sure why people don't see this as no one who worked with saw him overcome with drugs.

Adding to your thought Laura, You know that TN is in recovery from drug and alcohol abuse. She knows all the signs. Don't you think that she would have seen the signs and known if P had a problem?? Just like Adrian would have seen and known. By the same token, TN would have known who to see and where to go to get help for P. But yet it was staffers that made the call. Strange don't you think??

NouveauDance said:

rogifan said:

NouveauDance said:

Clearly Prince kept it very private that he was using pain meds, even legitimately. But in the podcast Adrian also seemed to phrase it in a way that denied it was happening at all, talking about his clean living etc.

Obviously there is a difference between hanging out in recording studios shooting up, smoking crack etc and being hooked on prescription pain meds initially used for legitimate reasons - at least I think there's a difference, others may disagree. But by your own words he was seeing a doctor to reduce his usage, ergo he was a drug user. Adrian seemed to be saying he wasn't, at all.

Actually that's not true. He did mention pain killers. And honestly we don't really know if Prince was addicted or not. It's amazing how people can be so skeptical and cynical about so many things yet any story that comes out re: Prince and painkillers is assumed to be the gospel truth.

Thank you. I thought maybe I had a hearing problem. Pain pills were mentioned but once again is someone using pain pills the same as being a wack out drug addict?

How does anyone see a person under a doctor's care with health issues being an invalid reason for using drugs. I think this whole narrative that he was some out of control dope head is b.s. and that is what Andrian is saying.

zenarose said:

laurarichardson said:

NouveauDance said: ---- If Adrian sold drugs and had drug addicts in family why would he not know what he his talking about. In addition, because Prince was taking pain meds does not mean he was addicted but just dependent. If he was seeing a doctor for withdrawals he was obviously reducing his pain meds. I am not sure why people don't see this as no one who worked with saw him overcome with drugs.

Adding to your thought Laura, You know that TN is in recovery from drug and alcohol abuse. She knows all the signs. Don't you think that she would have seen the signs and known if P had a problem?? Just like Adrian would have seen and known. By the same token, TN would have known who to see and where to go to get help for P. But yet it was staffers that made the call. Strange don't you think??

But Prince was already seeing a doctor for withdrawals so he was already getting help. I am not sure why people think he would need to go Tyka as Prince is the one who drove her to rehab.

laurarichardson said:

zenarose said:

Adding to your thought Laura, You know that TN is in recovery from drug and alcohol abuse. She knows all the signs. Don't you think that she would have seen the signs and known if P had a problem?? Just like Adrian would have seen and known. By the same token, TN would have known who to see and where to go to get help for P. But yet it was staffers that made the call. Strange don't you think??

But Prince was already seeing a doctor for withdrawals so he was already getting help. I am not sure why people think he would need to go Tyka as Prince is the one who drove her to rehab.

Exactly my point. He was handling whatever was going on and no one noticed it because there was nothing to notice. BC I feel that if TN thought there was a problem she would have jumped in and helped him. That is why it is so strange to me that "staffers made the call". I think that's where the spin begins.

zenarose said:

laurarichardson said:

But Prince was already seeing a doctor for withdrawals so he was already getting help. I am not sure why people think he would need to go Tyka as Prince is the one who drove her to rehab.

Exactly my point. He was handling whatever was going on and no one noticed it because there was nothing to notice. BC I feel that if TN thought there was a problem she would have jumped in and helped him. That is why it is so strange to me that "staffers made the call". I think that's where the spin begins.

I think Prince was doing the outpatient withdrawal ( which I have read people do when they want to step down their meds or just stop) something went wrong in the last week of his life. Maybe he was struggling with the withdrawals and started increasing his intake maybe just to make it to the Atlanta show. Maybe he had other health issues which could have been related to the withdrawal as the side effects are really bad. He seemes to have been dealing with it well enought to travel to Canada and Australia a few months earlier so it is obvious that things took a turn for the worst in the last week.

I believe his staffers became worried and reached out to Van and Pheadra who may have contacted Dr. K without Prince's knowleged. Maybe he was open to meeting with Dr.K's son the next day we just don't know this combined with Prince going to see his doctor the day before has me thinking he was concerned with what was going on and maybe just as in the dark as everyone else.

Let me say upfront the Judith Hill NYT interview made me sick. I thought she should have said nothing. Be that as it may, didn't she say Prince agreed to get help when in the Moline hospital that morning? If he agreed that day, how can we assume he was getting medical assistance to kick a dependency/addiction before that? I think Judith's comments reveal that his inner circle knew/had concerns about his health for a while, not just a couple of weeks or days.

I often think of how the people around Elvis acted in the phase after Elvis' death and then the times later on when the shock had worn off and everyone knew the truth. It took time, many of the people around Elvis, in trying to protect his image, outright lied about or denied that he had any drug problems, some people even claimed that he told them that he had bone cancer. The majority of those people (like his last girlfriend or best friend, Joe Esposito) eventually admitted the truth. Whatever was going on with Prince, one way or the other, I think it'll slip out eventually, always does. As for me, i'm still not convinced that it was JUST a matter of being an addict. I still think there may have been something else going on. I'll be honest, part of that is just me wanting to believe in the superman that was Prince, but I just do not think some pain or some jonesing for drugs did him in. Men like that, for all their faults, can overcome inhuman shit. Bruce Lee had serious back problems but he felt perfectly confident and capable of blocking out the pain and he seems to have done that. The one issue with Bruce was, the overnight fame, the pressure, the scrutiny in combination with his natural, restless, hyper, high strung disposition left him unable to relax and what I believe happened is that he took to eating cannabis leaves and he had an allergic reaction to them and died. Things are not as cut and dry as people would like to believe though. People like simple answers "oh, he was this, or oh he was that" in a dispariging way but often that's too simple and as I've said, I hate like hell that Prince put himself in the position where people could even say the same crap we've heard about Elvis or MJ the "just another junkie" shit that we have to hear, and yes, inspite of all the love some of these people have, there will always be negative, mean, small minded people who love to say those kinds of things.

PeteSilas said:

I often think of how the people around Elvis acted in the phase after Elvis' death and then the times later on when the shock had worn off and everyone knew the truth. It took time, many of the people around Elvis, in trying to protect his image, outright lied about or denied that he had any drug problems, some people even claimed that he told them that he had bone cancer. The majority of those people (like his last girlfriend or best friend, Joe Esposito) eventually admitted the truth. Whatever was going on with Prince, one way or the other, I think it'll slip out eventually, always does. As for me, i'm still not convinced that it was JUST a matter of being an addict. I still think there may have been something else going on.

i agree completely. i think the JH NYT interview was the beginning(not that i take what she says as gospel, but because it does provide some insight). the shock, wanting to protect him, wanting to protect the place in the camp, all this stuff factors into their behavoir and comments. it will of course filter down to fans eventually.

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i have been convinced since july that the family knew full well what had happened. everyone who should be as upset as fans are about his sudden death in an elevator seem perfectly fine with it all. but how could it ever be preferable to have people think of him as an addict.

1Sasha said:

Physically, his appearance changed dramatically. Anyone could have seen that. Emotionally, he seemed to have changed as well. Open, vulnerable ... Yes, Prince letting his guard down, humanizing himself. Everybody was on the payroll in one form or another and no one stood up to him early on (that we know of) to confront him on his health. Unless there was no hope, and he was just riding out the last months of his life. That autopsy report is the key. If it was clean, save for the Fent use, why not release it? End the speculation. Unless, of course, there are results the family does not want us to see.

i've used the Analogy of Bruce Lee's death many times since Prince passed. The given cause was more out of a political kind of thing than the actual truth. Hong Kong authorities saw no upside in telling the idols of millions that he used cannibis and had an allergic reaction to it even though most of the proof point to that so they fudged the report by calling in a british coroner who either was pressure and/or gave them the result they wanted, that Bruce had a freak sensitivity to an equagesic pill. People lie all the time, for all knds of reasons and I just think that with Prince, if they aren't lying they are being evasive and misleading. Too many things don't make sense really, here we have a guy who one way or another could get what he wanted, why would he need a batch of pills that would kill him and why oh why would he take a second one after a close call the week before. Maybe the close call wasn't an overdose, no one ever confirmed that. Prince, smart, calculating even prophetic about many things had to have a reason for rolling the dice like that. Honestly, I could see a man of his generation being ashamed of an AIDS diagnosis even though many people have gotten the disease through several other means than gay sex. Maybe he didn't want people thinking that, and maybe the reason why he wasn't hesitant to taking another pill was he knew his time was short anyway. I don't think we'll get answers anytime soon really. We can't really demand anything and it seems like everyone is just hinting and being just as contradictory and evasive as prince ever was. I couldn't see Prince covering up cancer, there is no shame in that disease, aids is another matter and there is still plenty of ignorance and shame associated with it. Either way, i do not think it is as simple as Prince being an out of control drug addict.

1Sasha said:

Let me say upfront the Judith Hill NYT interview made me sick. I thought she should have said nothing. Be that as it may, didn't she say Prince agreed to get help when in the Moline hospital that morning? If he agreed that day, how can we assume he was getting medical assistance to kick a dependency/addiction before that? I think Judith's comments reveal that his inner circle knew/had concerns about his health for a while, not just a couple of weeks or days.

We know he was getting help prior to Moline because Dr. S said so it was in the search warrent before it was sealed. The doctor also said he wrote non-controlled substances RX for Prince. In addtion, we have the promoter in Atlanta stating that Prince told her he was going back home to see his doctor and he would get back to her about additoinal shows. Adrian is now saying that Prince called him a few days before the Altanta show and told him he did not feel 100% and would see his doctor when get got back from Atlanta. Prince was seeing Dr. S for some reason and this has never been a secret from the very beginning.

Now maybe when he spoke to Judith at the hospital he meant get help in that he was not taking whatever treatment he was getting seriously which is how it appears since he got on the plane knowing he was ill.

I remember Dr. Drew saying that what Judith described did not sound like an OD but a seizure and that most people on pain pills do not actually O.D from just the pain pills. They usually O.D by mixing a bunch of pills together or with alcohol. When it came out that the pills were a mixture of substances I started to take what Dr. Drew said seriously.

What if Prince did not have an O.D. on that plane. What if he had some other medical emergeny and he only meant by telling Judith that he was going to get help because test would have revealed that he had opiads in his system and now she knew about it. I keep saying he would not have to go back and forth to Dr. S to be told he had a pill problem. Going back and forth to deal with withdrawals I can see or going back and forth to deal with other medical issues maybe even problems caused by the withdrawals. No way was he going to doctor for no reason at all.