PeteSilas said:

XxAxX said:

um, for starters, they might inquire as to why mani posted what she did. here's a thought: try using the upper-right-hand-corner google search engine to search Prince.org for references to 'drugs'.

thanks sherlock, i've already done that. forget i asked you anything ok.

gladly!!!!!

thank you

PeteSilas said:

thank you

you're not welcome

cloveringold85 said:

Labels are clueless.

They should release the Piano Tour cd/dvd as soon as possible. Promote it as his 'Last live statement' and let everybody enjoy what his was capable of doing.

TKO said:

Labels are clueless.

They should release the Piano Tour cd/dvd as soon as possible. Promote it as his 'Last live statement' and let everybody enjoy what his was capable of doing.

i like this idea. i love the idea of a live boxset too.

mnfriend said:

I'm not missing anything Phat, I understand/ believe the cause of death.

And I understand people on your payroll say 'yes sir'

I don't think that's what Mani meant.

Please don't address me anymore, thank you.

Do you mean, like this?

Sure. Piece o'cake.

Whoa! Now, hold the phone here for a minute.....We have no evidence that suggests that Prince was HIV positive and/or had AIDS.

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We have no evidence that suggests that Prince was ever "abusive" towards Manuela. I think her comment about Charlie Sheen had to do with her divorce battle. Remember, it was Mani who filed for divorce, not Prince.

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I don't think her comment about Charlie Sheen had anything to do with the possibility that Prince had HIV/AIDS. I think people are taking her comment the wrong way.

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Prince gave Mani a lucrative divorce settlement and she does not want those divorce docs to become public. That is clearly obvious.

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petalthecat said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Petalthecat said: There are definitely signs of a degenerative disease getting worse, the covering up, wearing of gloves, the shades(RA sufferers can be prone to eye infections), the piano and microphone tour, the comment on the 16th April that he was struggling to play the guitar these days. There is no cure for RA, just healthy living and pain management. Seems likely that he couldn't get long term scripts for painkillers so he was forced down the illegal route. Sorry for rambling on, I just needed to get my thoughts off my chest!

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Everything you said is quite plausible. However, I don't think that he had RA or any other disease. I haven't seen him wearing gloves on a regular basis. He wasn't wearing shades all the time, so I'm on the fence with regards to the RA. I don't believe Prince ever said he was struggling to play the guitar. He said something along the lines of "I'm not able to play much these days." I think what he was referring to was that he was more focused on the "Piano & Microphone" tour, so he wasn't picking up the guitar much. I'm sure if his pain was so severe, that his Doctor would have prescribed him something -- at least a mild pain reliever (not Advil); no good doctor would allow a patient to be in constant pain. He had no scripts for any pain medications within the last year of his life.

He wouldn't wear gloves and shades all the time as these symptoms aren't constant, they are intermittent whenever a sufferer has a "flare up". RA is generally treated with over the counter painkillers so no need for scripts, and I don't know about the U.S but doctors are reluctant to prescribe opioids for more than a month as they're so addictive. So, maybe P just wanted a stronger painkiller or maybe he had already become addicted I don't know. I'm not arguing with you by the way as this is just all speculation.

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I am very open-minded and take all things into consideration, thus I do not see our conversation as an "argument" either.

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It is possible that he had RA or even Pancreatic Caner (as PeteSilas) mentioned. Given the fact that we do not have all the facts/evidence presented to us, anything is quite possible as it stands now.

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I would imagine though, if Prince had RA, that he would not have been able to play the piano so beautifully. Then again, we just don't know how Prince felt or what he was dealing with.

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[Edited 11/27/16 12:24pm]

There are so many lunatics on here it's turned into yet another conspiracy thread

fortuneandserendipity said:

There are so many lunatics on here it's turned into yet another conspiracy thread

imo, lunacy is failing to investigate all possible options. remember: this is a homicide investigation. this is just my 2c which are different from your two cents, but no less valid. peace

XxAxX said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

There are so many lunatics on here it's turned into yet another conspiracy thread

imo, lunacy is failing to investigate all possible options. remember: this is a homicide investigation. this is just my 2c which are different from your two cents, but no less valid. peace

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PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Prince gave Mani a lucrative divorce settlement and she does not want those divorce docs to become public. That is clearly obvious.

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no one would be surprised by MT getting a nice divorce settlement. her freak out has to be about something else, imo. she's afraid those documents are gonna blow-up her spot or at the very least put her in a bad light.

time will tell.

laurarichardson said:

PeteSilas said:

what, in your opinion, should they look at, i'm interested. Also, recently i've been watching some Walter Payton footage, he's a guy who had cancer in his forties and was dropping weight at such an alarming rate that the aids rumours were starting to get out of hand so he held a press conference to state that he had cancer. What I'm wondering though, is whether or not pill abuse can cause liver cancer or anything like that, it came out later that Walter abused pain pills for the same reasons many pro athletes do. I wonder if it caused his problems. I think he had Pancreatic Cancer.

// I mentioned and posted links about the connection between liver failure/cancer and pain meds. Not surprised about Walter many athletes pop pain as needed and keep playing they are not dope addicts but they need those pills to work. Sounds like someone we know.

i know drinking kills a liver, there was a fighter who died recently of heart failure, kimbo slice, but after his death they also found a huge lump on his liver from steroids most likely. I always find it ironic when a top athlete dies in his mid forties because I know so many people who seem to be in a helluva lot worse shape and they live. Johnny Tapia, great boxer, died at 45 from some kind of heart issue, people assumed he od'd, but no, they found nothing in his system, it was the results of all the crap he did in the past. The human body can only take so much, I could see Prince doing, like many other athletes did, blocking out any signs and signals that maybe abusing his joints isn't a good idea ffor his future. He was that kind of guy, like many men are. The whole not believing in time ("time is a trick") etc,,. he probably thought he could control it all with his mind.

rogifan said:

Unless someone gets charged for murder I don't want or need to know any more than we already know. If Prince had an illness he obviously didn't want people to know. I prefer to respect his privacy.

That's how I feel about it (though I appreciate that others may feel differently). Prince clearly didn't want us to know about any possible health issues he may have been enduring, and quite frankly it's absolutely none of my business.

wavesofbliss said:

GrayDorian said:

rogifan said:

Unless someone gets charged for murder I don't want or need to know any more than we already know. If Prince had an illness he obviously didn't want people to know. I prefer to respect his privacy.

That's how I feel about it (though I appreciate that others may feel differently). Prince clearly didn't want us to know about any possible health issues he may have been enduring, and quite frankly it's absolutely none of my business.

really can't argue with that logic but it's not how I feel. It is true though that the most important thing is he is dead not why. Linda Lee, Bruce Lee's wife, evaded questions of Bruce's mysterious death the same way, saying the important thing was he was gone, not how. I do want to know in all honesty and I think the truth is always a lot healthier than shame/lies/coverrups and the truth also has a way of coming out anyway. My point is, and i keep reiterating it, is that coroners do lie/coverrup things and or just not look too deep for the truth. I was just reading about Frida Kahlo and she, like Prince, had incredible physical pains, sounds like torture just reading about it. By the end of her life she was hooked on whatever pills were available and looking forward to death, she seemed to know that her time was short, like Prince, and just continued to work. In her case, it looks like a suicide, the official reason was pulmonary embolism, but no autopsy was ever done. My point is, people's shame over things are just not healthy. I'm reading a book about a rich part of my area where the kids have a very high suicide rate, because of all the superficial image keeping bullshit, the cops/coroners put "leukemia" or whatever on the death certificates. I think it's selfish and an insult to do those things, if there is a problem, covering it up and keeping it secret just makes it worse. I've known some kids from that side of town, I really don't fucking understand them but I'll tell you they sure have a lot of issues.

PeteSilas said:

leadline said:

phatphuk said:

antonb said:

"…Jeez , can't we talk about the main subject,which was the funky new jazz fusion sound he was going for, and his hopes for it. we heard little clips of it a few months ago, did we not? Didn't Mono post abit of it. It sounded really funky. At least one day we might get to hear the 7-8 songs that Andrian was talking about. I again, say. Please listen to the Interview yourselves. It is plain and self explanatory, what he says…"

Now. Where I come from, we call that, wishing that people would put the "Prince new he was going to die rubbish" to bed. What do you call it

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Been saying this all along, many many many posts, the man had plans, to think he knew he was dying is absurd. All the talk on him looking frail, sick, etc, is also nuts imo (respectful) opinion. The dude looked fine to me, and those in his camp, till the very end - his last show he was in top form, vocally, physically, energy wise, etc. He was standing and playing more than he was sitting and danced around the piano a few times.

Peace

Prince didn't look fine at all... I saw him in Toronto 3.5 weeks before he passed and one of the things that stood out to me was how frail he looked. The man has always been of slimmer build but he looked unwell in Toronto.

Anyhow, I won't go any further into this.

Wherever you are, thanks for the music and guidance.

he knew, either consciously or on a soul level (which I do believe in) don't see what the issue is about that. Just look at the songs, things he said and did that were out of character.

Manuela made a statement to the Judge and she specifically said that there is nothing in the divorce documents that had anything to do with his death, which means that there is nothing in there that suggests he used 'drugs'. I think the reason why she wants to keep the divorce docs sealed is because of financial reasons. We already know that Prince gave more to M2 than he did for M1 (as the ex-wives are now called), and it would cause a big rift between them, because they are supposedly friends. That's how I look at it.

Prince was 57. He could not work like he used to when he was 27. Prince's love for his music and his fans meant the world to him and he pushed himself too hard at times. Not getting proper rest, and not eating well (taking care of yourself) would make anyone look weak and ill. Just saying.

cloveringold85 said:

Manuela made a statement to the Judge and she specifically said that there is nothing in the divorce documents that had anything to do with his death, which means that there is nothing in there that suggests he used 'drugs'. I think the reason why she wants to keep the divorce docs sealed is because of financial reasons. We already know that Prince gave more to M2 than he did for M1 (as the ex-wives are now called), and it would cause a big rift between them, because they are supposedly friends. That's how I look at it.

It is also the very idea of having her financial info out for the whole world to see. No reason for it to be known to the public if nothing in the divorce has anything to do with his death or investigation.

I love how after all the B.S from the Star Tribune they still don't have shit

cloveringold85 said:

We already know that Prince gave more to M2 than he did for M1 (as the ex-wives are now called), and it would cause a big rift between them, because they are supposedly friends. That's how I look at it.

i hear what your saying but i don't she cares about that aspect of it. this feels,to me, like a cya move. prince gave her more cash because he had more when they were married. he made 44 million from the 'musicalogy' tour alone. he didn't have that kinda money in the 90s. he kept having cash flow problems and none of his tours in the 90s made money.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

Manuela made a statement to the Judge and she specifically said that there is nothing in the divorce documents that had anything to do with his death, which means that there is nothing in there that suggests he used 'drugs'. I think the reason why she wants to keep the divorce docs sealed is because of financial reasons. We already know that Prince gave more to M2 than he did for M1 (as the ex-wives are now called), and it would cause a big rift between them, because they are supposedly friends. That's how I look at it.

It is also the very idea of having her financial info out for the whole world to see. No reason for it to be known to the public if nothing in the divorce has anything to do with his death or investigation.

I love how after all the B.S from the Star Tribune they still don't have shit

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I agree.

wavesofbliss said:

cloveringold85 said:

We already know that Prince gave more to M2 than he did for M1 (as the ex-wives are now called), and it would cause a big rift between them, because they are supposedly friends. That's how I look at it.

i hear what your saying but i don't she cares about that aspect of it. this feels,to me, like a cya move. prince gave her more cash because he had more when they were married. he made 44 million from the 'musicalogy' tour alone. he didn't have that kinda money in the 90s. he kept having cash flow problems and none of his tours in the 90s made money.

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Also, Prince gave M2 money for her charities/business. I suspect that is one of the reasons she wants that info sealed.

cloveringold85 said: