leadline said:

RachB65 said:

On page 40 of this thread...It has become overwhelming to read and digest much less try n comment...P had stashes of pills and many were of the illicit variety...Did he know? That is the question. Perhaps he figured it out by accident, maybe even the plane incident...But then another q is y take one on the nite of the 20th? Did he buy some more thinking they were straight hydros and got burned again? Idk...its a big mystery...He did have actual prescribed(to someone else) hydros in his possession..Y not take those instead?

If we are leaving no stone unturned here, how do we know that all this stuff wasn't planted after the fact to give the perception of a long term addict? If foul play is still on the table as a possibility, even a remote one, then we can't be certain that ALL of this stuff was not staged after the fact. If foul play was involved, everything possible would be done to make it look like Prince was a long term abuser.

This right here is exactly where my thought process is especially when factoring in the all of a sudden consultation with that widely known "rehab/addiction specialist" in California. There is entirely too much shit that just is not adding up right...to be ignored.

https://www.facebook.com/...s/?fref=ts Is this it?

strawberrylova123 said:

paulludvig said:

I can't find anything like that on her Facebook. Did she delete the post?

It still there, are u facebook friends with her? Because she has two facebook pages. One is a professional one and the second a personal one.

Do you know how to select or highlight the text with your mouse or pointer? Then just copy it (Control+C) and then paste it (Control+V) here?

*Edited to correct error (Control+V to paste not Control+P). LOL

[Edited 8/22/16 12:11pm]

Bebop17 said:

tmo1965 said:

I think for fentanyl to be in the pills at all indicates that they came off the street. The article says that he did not have a Rx for any opiods in the last 12 months. I wonder if he had old Rxs and kept a stash to use as needed. When his stash got low, for whatever reason he bought them off the streets because he could not get a Rx. It's also possible that P had his old stash the legitimate Rx and someone switched out the legit for the counterfeit thinking that he would not notice the difference because they wanted the hydrocodone for themselves.

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I don't know how strong P's pills were, but I've taken hydrocodone after surgery and it did not even get me high. I was only drowsy for a couple of days and after that I was able to function normally. So can people get high off of these pills?

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Another thing. It seems the police are purposefully leaking only bits and peices of info. The new info only adds to the list of questions that we all have and even more speculation.

I agree with the first bolded sentence. WRT the second, the article actually says that he did not have a Rx for opioids in Minnesota in the last 12 months. I'm not suggesting anything, just trying to be clear about what was and wasn't said.

Ahhhh very good point Sherlock! Hmmmm.

LuxLove said:

LoriJ said:

This is very upsetting news. I am beside myself!! I don't even know what to believe anymore! Now, I'm reading that Prince did not have a prescription for "Fentanyl"? And, bottles were found at PP that were "mislabeled"? WTF is going on here??!! This is so upsetting. Prince didn't take pills.....this is totally messed-up!!

http://whotv.com/2016/08/22/report-pills-in-princes-home-mislabeled-contained-fentanyl/

http://www.people.com/article/prince-fentanyl-found-estate-death

[Edited 8/22/16 11:49am]

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

strawberrylova123 said:

paulludvig said: It still there, are u facebook friends with her? Because she has two facebook pages. One is a professional one and the second a personal one.

Do you know how to select or highlight the text with your mouse or pointer? Then just copy it (Contrl+C) and then paste it (Control+P) here?

I know I shouldn't but

LoriJ said:

leadline said:

people with nothing to hide have no reason to run, clearly he has something to hide

I agree with running with having something to hide.

As for leaving the clinic, maybe he got his a$$ fired!

Or maybe he was surrounded by co-workers who were Purple Army...LOL

leadline said:

tracyface said:

When I think of how Prince crafted his image and how private he was, I am positive that he was scared beyond anything else that his addiction would get out to the media. I bet that bothered him a lot, so he hid it and kept it to as few peeps as possible. Sad, because caring more about his image may have cost him his life.

sad sad sad.

[Edited 8/22/16 11:30am]

I'm with you there tracy. He seemed like he needed some real help. I do believe there were people who were very concerned too and trying to get him help. Remember though this was Prince, there were a LOT of people who found him intimidating and probably afraid to say no to him or demand he see the reality of the situation. I don't think all the blame should be put on his inner circle, I'm sure he could be incredibly difficult at times and Prince did have a part in this too, he wasn't stupid he must have known getting medication on the blackmarket was a huge risk and especially after the plane incident.

Mkilpatrick74 said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

LOL! Maybe those are Princey's travel jammies.

oh sweet Princey!! if so man id love to curl up in those jammies! miss him so much!

Oh YASSSSSSS. How cozy would that be!

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

leadline said:

If we are leaving no stone unturned here, how do we know that all this stuff wasn't planted after the fact to give the perception of a long term addict? If foul play is still on the table as a possibility, even a remote one, then we can't be certain that ALL of this stuff was not staged after the fact. If foul play was involved, everything possible would be done to make it look like Prince was a long term abuser.

This right here is exactly where my thought process is especially when factoring in the all of a sudden consultation with that widely known "rehab/addiction specialist" in California. There is entirely too much shit that just is not adding up right...to be ignored.

Definitely warrants a thorough investigaation from all angles that's for sure!

LuxLove said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

I don't understand what you guys mean here by "receipts." Can someone please clarify for me?

Receipts = evidence(made famous by Whitney Houston)

Trciky is a big tease. Tell us more!

Ok thanks.

Mumio said:

TrcikyChristopher said:

Agreed... and I believe receipts are coming. My own sources (who shall remain nameless) have been telling me what a few people here are already thinking... and it isn't too far from the truth. The only thing I can and will say is this: evidence of one thing does not negate (rather obvious) evidence of another.

[Edited 8/22/16 2:34am]

Agree with you both.

Although I dont know any of you, am also in agreement with all of the above. Thank you.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

LuxLove said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

Do you know how to select or highlight the text with your mouse or pointer? Then just copy it (Contrl+C) and then paste it (Control+P) here?

I know I shouldn't but

This has been heavy on my heart for months now since his passing. Only a few close friends know this story. I don't know if what I am about to say will help the situation any or perhaps it may raise more questions. But I will say that when I saw Prince in February in the early part of this year at the show he had in Oakland, right after the death of Denise.I told the girls, Apples, my friend Seth,Susan and Susan's sister, "He's on something". I was even speaking on it when he just popped up out of no where. And said, "hey what are you guys talking about?"...I was mortified, I was certain first that he heard me, and second he knew I knew something and that he might have been thinking,"oh here comes Jill after all these years and immediately she is in the corner starting shit".(FYI, he was a bit telepathic, no joke and psychically tuned, so i knew) I looked at him. Susan responded to his question with, "you". I immediately said, in order not to embarrass him at that moment, I said, "You know what guys, we are not spring chickens anymore, maybe we should all make a pact to get together once a year and take a vacation just to catch up and touch base on each others lives" (something like that) Then I made a joke about us all doing something together of things we had never done but wanted to and my first suggestion was, "Let's all go skydiving?" They all looked at me like I was crazy and Prince stated firmly, "I'm not gonna go skydiving thats for sure. I said, "yes, lets all go to Dubai and skydive over the islands!" laughingly I knew they thought I was mad. But they all said they would go to Dubai, but maybe shop while I went skydiving. This is bittersweet for me to speak on. I had not seen or spoken with him in years. Others kept giving me the old, reason that he might have been sedated was because he had hip pain. So I accepted that.reluctantly and begrudgingly. But I could see that he thoroughly enjoyed seeing us and we all joked like time had never passed. But I knew him. The real him. The goofy him, the generous him. This was a man that I loved dearly and he meant so much to me in my life. My first love. And I am still utterly destroyed that he is gone. He said he would be in touch with me in about two months as he wanted to talk about some things. I will say that the people serving around him at this time, I would have been hard pressed to find anyone over the age of 25 years old, aside from Kirk...lol. And even when I went to the bathroom, I could see two young Afro­centric hipster cool jazzy young women hanging together in a bathroom stall fidgeting with their make up and lighting up and smoking some weed. I had never known this to be the "norm" around anything in Prince's environment. I grew up in a musical entertainment family. My step father was part of the Gordy dynasty. So from a very young age, I understood the importance and value of maintaining close relationships.And family. All too often I had witnessed the trappings of fame and the hangers on that always, (it doesn't matter what generation) always show up. I saw this with Rick James, Teena Marie, Marvin Gaye and others who reach a level of status. To be honest, I never really liked it. I love performing, but I never cared for the adulation on my "famous" friends or for myself. It makes me uncomfortable. It also made a battle difficult to win with a friend , when a loved ones , has someone blowing smoke up their ass at all times. When you watch people prey on your friends weaknesses and insecurity. And you have to slay the dragons...Sometimes you find yourself getting kicked out of the kingdom....but i digress eventually people come back to what is true, in fact they long for it...once again.. I still find it tremendously difficult to understand how I , having not seen him in years could detect an immediate problem? Was it because I had a comparison of Prince in the early days to reference? Were these new people around him unaware because they did not know him before? Did I pick up on it because I had grown up with alcoholics and medication/prescription abusers? (I am very sensitive to this, as it creates a lot of anxiety in me)

roxy831 said:

Okay, so now the picture in my mind is far more disturbing than just him being alone....in an elevator Now the image is his body and mind is so in shock he couldn't put his clothes on fast enough or correctly so he could get help!!! And I was just starting to come to terms with his passing. This s%^& is for the birds, really.

I feel the same way you do! I can't believe this news coming out now about our beloved Prince!! Now, I read that there were "bottles" of "mislabeled" Fentanyl found in his home and he was found with his clothes on "backwards"?!! His death is very suspicious. This is horrific, to think this happened to Prince! There are no words.

LuxLove said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

Do you know how to select or highlight the text with your mouse or pointer? Then just copy it (Contrl+C) and then paste it (Control+P) here?

I know I shouldn't but

Well you never know...some people might not know. Just trying to help.

purplerabbithole said:

This article is depressing as hell if it is true. For one thing, he was clueless as to the strength of the pills he was given. My theory is that someone got him the supposed hydrocodone illegally because no legit doctor would give it to him legally. He thought it was hydrocodone but it was instead fentanyl. When he realized he had taken something else, he threw on his clothes and just didn't make it to a phone or help quick enough.

The article indicated that counterfit drugs were sometimes fentanyl instead of what they were labeled as. I don't think the person who got the drug knew they were giving him the wrong stuff. But whoever obtained those drugs for him should face jail time (IMO).

Also sad (if it is true) is that he was on pills for localized pain (lidocaine [sic]) and anti-anxiety pills (alprazolam) apparently. Poor guy. NOt sure whether the anti-anxiety pills were for his withdrawal symptoms as a result of the Narcon or just something he was always on.

I know too many people (especially middle aged people) on pills like these. People need to find other ways to deal with anxiety and pain.

[Edited 8/20/16 19:34pm]

This news is so sad beyond belief! To think that this happened to our beloved Prince. Like you said, he could have panicked and tried to dress himself to get to a phone, but why the elevator? You would think he had a phone in his living quarters. I just have a very hard time believing that Prince would be taking street drugs. And, who in their right mind would give them to him!!?? God, I am at a loss for words right now!!

Arjuna said:

leadline said:

In the absense of proof, anything is possible. Perhaps someone switched the pills on purpose.

THAT IS exactly what happened! We are all talking about a VERY serious and meticulously organized man! Examples: Every time I went to Paisley Park x 32 times It was immaculate! All 3 studios Immaculate! The landscaping immaculate! His clothes and the instruments perfection, placed! He put his personal items in plastic sometimes and labeled them! He didn't even park his cars crooked and ya think he would put drugs in the wrong bottle! Somebody was getting even on something, fact! When I was at Paisley I was very much honored to had seen him behind the scenes and physically talk to him many times over! Yes, he was extremely private but he was always busy... And ALWAYS organized. I even had the honor of going to the hall with him, Larry Graham, Tina and my very VERY endearing friends; whom invited me on this special occasion. When I didn't sit in the saved seats that he saved for me ...upon praying and opening my eyes, Prince was standing in the isle next to my friends staring at me; mentally saying... Your not in the seat I saved for you; fact! He was not happy about it. I called four times to check on him even the night before his passing because I felt something was horribly wrong. So much so that I woke up at 4:48 am the night before he was found and I prayed hard! I called my friends (His BEST friends) and left a message at 9:21am morning to check on him. I should have jumped a plane and now I have to live with it the rest of my days. Now, I say this with all I am... Prince has a will and I have contacted Londell 6 times not a call. Prince was so meticulous with everything- so they best get the house in order! I literally sat next to Tyka for over six hours in a VIP box and didn't even say a word but hi because of the friendship I had with him. He trusted me and I him, as normal people in wonderful conversations. Brother and sister in Christ. He wanted everybody to have the time of their lives and he spent the majority of his time hiring people to make sure everything was perfect for everybody! This NEVER sat with me well and I even had a very intense dream about it. I feel that this was NOT his doing but once the feeling started taking him over... He didn't want to call an ambulance to draw attention because he knew he was getting help the next day. Also, because he wasn't feeling well after taking the pills he ran, got dressed and headed to the elevator only it was too slow to get to his car in the basement. Most likely his black classic car the one, which he loved. He called it his "incognito" car. Therefore; had he made it to the car he was trying to get to and try to make it to the hospital himself. What I have said with me personally and I have "witnesses" that know me and would affidavit me in backing the truth. The ONLY reason I have not come out is because I signed a non-disclosure at Paisley in honor of our innocent relationship over 16 yrs ago, which we spoke for over 5.5 yrs. directly, period. I absolutely honor Tyka and the rest and can only KNOW that Jehovah will intervein because it IS God Jehovah, who gave him the talent in the first place! The last thing Prince said to me was... Don't worry...I won't I'm not going away anytime soon. It breaks my heart... He respected me so much that he gave me his necklace that he wore while I was at Paisley in the foyer of his practice rehearsal room. He also introduced me to his jewelers and many of his staff, who were always cordial, fun and friendly. He also helped me on a charity for kids via his web site developer. She knows who she is. I end in this: With God Jehovah all things ARE Possible. I can only say the GREATEST Romance that's ever been sold is the fact he brought me to Jehovah with grace, determination and his kindness. Thank U

Good Lord.

strawberrylova123 said:

LuxLove said:

I know I shouldn't but

This has been heavy on my heart for months now since his passing. Only a few close friends know this story. I don't know if what I am about to say will help the situation any or perhaps it may raise more questions. But I will say that when I saw Prince in February in the early part of this year at the show he had in Oakland, right after the death of Denise.I told the girls, Apples, my friend Seth,Susan and Susan's sister, "He's on something". I was even speaking on it when he just popped up out of no where. And said, "hey what are you guys talking about?"...I was mortified, I was certain first that he heard me, and second he knew I knew something and that he might have been thinking,"oh here comes Jill after all these years and immediately she is in the corner starting shit".(FYI, he was a bit telepathic, no joke and psychically tuned, so i knew) I looked at him. Susan responded to his question with, "you". I immediately said, in order not to embarrass him at that moment, I said, "You know what guys, we are not spring chickens anymore, maybe we should all make a pact to get together once a year and take a vacation just to catch up and touch base on each others lives" (something like that) Then I made a joke about us all doing something together of things we had never done but wanted to and my first suggestion was, "Let's all go skydiving?" They all looked at me like I was crazy and Prince stated firmly, "I'm not gonna go skydiving thats for sure. I said, "yes, lets all go to Dubai and skydive over the islands!" laughingly I knew they thought I was mad. But they all said they would go to Dubai, but maybe shop while I went skydiving. This is bittersweet for me to speak on. I had not seen or spoken with him in years. Others kept giving me the old, reason that he might have been sedated was because he had hip pain. So I accepted that.reluctantly and begrudgingly. But I could see that he thoroughly enjoyed seeing us and we all joked like time had never passed. But I knew him. The real him. The goofy him, the generous him. This was a man that I loved dearly and he meant so much to me in my life. My first love. And I am still utterly destroyed that he is gone. He said he would be in touch with me in about two months as he wanted to talk about some things. I will say that the people serving around him at this time, I would have been hard pressed to find anyone over the age of 25 years old, aside from Kirk...lol. And even when I went to the bathroom, I could see two young Afro­centric hipster cool jazzy young women hanging together in a bathroom stall fidgeting with their make up and lighting up and smoking some weed. I had never known this to be the "norm" around anything in Prince's environment. I grew up in a musical entertainment family. My step father was part of the Gordy dynasty. So from a very young age, I understood the importance and value of maintaining close relationships.And family. All too often I had witnessed the trappings of fame and the hangers on that always, (it doesn't matter what generation) always show up. I saw this with Rick James, Teena Marie, Marvin Gaye and others who reach a level of status. To be honest, I never really liked it. I love performing, but I never cared for the adulation on my "famous" friends or for myself. It makes me uncomfortable. It also made a battle difficult to win with a friend , when a loved ones , has someone blowing smoke up their ass at all times. When you watch people prey on your friends weaknesses and insecurity. And you have to slay the dragons...Sometimes you find yourself getting kicked out of the kingdom....but i digress eventually people come back to what is true, in fact they long for it...once again.. I still find it tremendously difficult to understand how I , having not seen him in years could detect an immediate problem? Was it because I had a comparison of Prince in the early days to reference? Were these new people around him unaware because they did not know him before? Did I pick up on it because I had grown up with alcoholics and medication/prescription abusers? (I am very sensitive to this, as it creates a lot of anxiety in me)

Wow thanks for posting. Wonder who the girls were - meron & who else?

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

Do you know how to select or highlight the text with your mouse or pointer? Then just copy it (Contrl+C) and then paste it (Control+P) here?

LuxLove said:

I know I shouldn't but

Well you never know...some people might not know. Just trying to help.

Well just in case anyone is actually following along at home, paste is actually Control+V, not Control+P

[Edited 8/22/16 12:06pm]

leadline said:

Thanks for posting that Strawberry. Wow, I like Jill. She is very honest. I trust her account and intuition because she knew Prince for so long and like she said loved him. Was Prince lonely? I wonder why he was hanging around these people who seemed so distrustful.

strawberrylova123 said:

CalhounSq said:

Well, this is fucking me up all over again... Is this what it's gonna be like?? Every few months, hearts breaking all over again?? FUCK . [Edited 8/20/16 21:33pm]

I know, this just plain SUCKS (sorry, Prince).......but this is BULL SHIT!! I don't believe Prince did this to himself!! No way!!

strawberrylova123 said:

LuxLove said:

I know I shouldn't but

This has been heavy on my heart for months now since his passing. Only a few close friends know this story. I don't know if what I am about to say will help the situation any or perhaps it may raise more questions. But I will say that when I saw Prince in February in the early part of this year at the show he had in Oakland, right after the death of Denise.I told the girls, Apples, my friend Seth,Susan and Susan's sister, "He's on something". I was even speaking on it when he just popped up out of no where. And said, "hey what are you guys talking about?"...I was mortified, I was certain first that he heard me, and second he knew I knew something and that he might have been thinking,"oh here comes Jill after all these years and immediately she is in the corner starting shit".(FYI, he was a bit telepathic, no joke and psychically tuned, so i knew) I looked at him. Susan responded to his question with, "you". I immediately said, in order not to embarrass him at that moment, I said, "You know what guys, we are not spring chickens anymore, maybe we should all make a pact to get together once a year and take a vacation just to catch up and touch base on each others lives" (something like that) Then I made a joke about us all doing something together of things we had never done but wanted to and my first suggestion was, "Let's all go skydiving?" They all looked at me like I was crazy and Prince stated firmly, "I'm not gonna go skydiving thats for sure. I said, "yes, lets all go to Dubai and skydive over the islands!" laughingly I knew they thought I was mad. But they all said they would go to Dubai, but maybe shop while I went skydiving. This is bittersweet for me to speak on. I had not seen or spoken with him in years. Others kept giving me the old, reason that he might have been sedated was because he had hip pain. So I accepted that.reluctantly and begrudgingly. But I could see that he thoroughly enjoyed seeing us and we all joked like time had never passed. But I knew him. The real him. The goofy him, the generous him. This was a man that I loved dearly and he meant so much to me in my life. My first love. And I am still utterly destroyed that he is gone. He said he would be in touch with me in about two months as he wanted to talk about some things. I will say that the people serving around him at this time, I would have been hard pressed to find anyone over the age of 25 years old, aside from Kirk...lol. And even when I went to the bathroom, I could see two young Afro­centric hipster cool jazzy young women hanging together in a bathroom stall fidgeting with their make up and lighting up and smoking some weed. I had never known this to be the "norm" around anything in Prince's environment. I grew up in a musical entertainment family. My step father was part of the Gordy dynasty. So from a very young age, I understood the importance and value of maintaining close relationships.And family. All too often I had witnessed the trappings of fame and the hangers on that always, (it doesn't matter what generation) always show up. I saw this with Rick James, Teena Marie, Marvin Gaye and others who reach a level of status. To be honest, I never really liked it. I love performing, but I never cared for the adulation on my "famous" friends or for myself. It makes me uncomfortable. It also made a battle difficult to win with a friend , when a loved ones , has someone blowing smoke up their ass at all times. When you watch people prey on your friends weaknesses and insecurity. And you have to slay the dragons...Sometimes you find yourself getting kicked out of the kingdom....but i digress eventually people come back to what is true, in fact they long for it...once again.. I still find it tremendously difficult to understand how I , having not seen him in years could detect an immediate problem? Was it because I had a comparison of Prince in the early days to reference? Were these new people around him unaware because they did not know him before? Did I pick up on it because I had grown up with alcoholics and medication/prescription abusers? (I am very sensitive to this, as it creates a lot of anxiety in me)

Thanks for posting this (from FB by Jill Jones)!

LuxLove said:

rogifan said:

LuxLove said:

Wow thanks for posting. Wonder who the girls were - meron & who else?

Is she saying the two women she saw in the bathroom smoking weed were part of Prince's entourage?

Yep