laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

Kara said:

I posted the search warrant for you to read. It doesn't say anything specifically about treatment for withdrawals, which Sunset asked about. That info came from an anonymous source, whom I do believe, but it's not "official".

--- You posted an article that referenced the search warrant that was not sealed. You do not have a copy of the search warrant. It has been mentioned numerous times that he was seeing Dr. S for withdrawals this was even on TMZ site. I will find it as it had been discussed 1000 times on this board.

Thank you.

There are a lot of assumptions based on P seeking Dr S's help for withdrawal (from H? - he seemed to be having excessive problems withdrawing from this drug if it is true). It is odd to think P would go to the doc for withdrawal meds but keep taking the illicit painkillers, even after the plane incident. He could have gone to this doc on 7th and said I am in pain and have been taking painkillers and need help to taper my dose down. He could have asked the same after the plane incident or on 20th (by which time the Dr would know how serious the situation had become) but it wasn't done that way. Then there is a panic (grave medical emergency) to get in the pain specialist (but they choose one that can't be there until Friday!) It is all very strange. Alternatively, P could have been seeing Dr S for something else.

I assumed since they said the fentanyl was taken in the last 24 hours that the blood tests on 20th were clear. Did they also test at the hospital in Moline?

laurarichardson said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

if dr schulenberg has no culpability why did he bolt?

Good question....

sunset3121 said:

laurarichardson said:

Kara said: --- You posted an article that referenced the search warrant that was not sealed. You do not have a copy of the search warrant. It has been mentioned numerous times that he was seeing Dr. S for withdrawals this was even on TMZ site. I will find it as it had been discussed 1000 times on this board.

Thank you.

There are a lot of assumptions based on P seeking Dr S's help for withdrawal (from H? - he seemed to be having excessive problems withdrawing from this drug if it is true). It is odd to think P would go to the doc for withdrawal meds but keep taking the illicit painkillers, even after the plane incident. He could have gone to this doc on 7th and said I am in pain and have been taking painkillers and need help to taper my dose down. He could have asked the same after the plane incident or on 20th (by which time the Dr would know how serious the situation had become) but it wasn't done that way. Then there is a panic (grave medical emergency) to get in the pain specialist (but they choose one that can't be there until Friday!) It is all very strange. Alternatively, P could have been seeing Dr S for something else.

I assumed since they said the fentanyl was taken in the last 24 hours that the blood tests on 20th were clear. Did they also test at the hospital in Moline?

I offered my thoughts on this a couple of pages ago - but I think it got missed in the flurry!

Should I re-post?

Kara said:

AA1slot said:

teach49 said:

rogifan said:

AA1slot said:

Thanks for the needed laugh! Think it was later than 2015 because of the 'do he's wearing. Think Andy Allo was also with him on this trip from other pix I have seen.

It has to be earlier because in 2014 already he was sporting the big afro. That's why I pegged this as possibly 2011 or 2012.

June 2011 at the laest

sunset3121 said:

sunset3121 said:

laurarichardson said:

Kara said: --- You posted an article that referenced the search warrant that was not sealed. You do not have a copy of the search warrant. It has been mentioned numerous times that he was seeing Dr. S for withdrawals this was even on TMZ site. I will find it as it had been discussed 1000 times on this board.

Thank you.

There are a lot of assumptions based on P seeking Dr S's help for withdrawal (from H? - he seemed to be having excessive problems withdrawing from this drug if it is true). It is odd to think P would go to the doc for withdrawal meds but keep taking the illicit painkillers, even after the plane incident. He could have gone to this doc on 7th and said I am in pain and have been taking painkillers and need help to taper my dose down. He could have asked the same after the plane incident or on 20th (by which time the Dr would know how serious the situation had become) but it wasn't done that way. Then there is a panic (grave medical emergency) to get in the pain specialist (but they choose one that can't be there until Friday!) It is all very strange. Alternatively, P could have been seeing Dr S for something else.

I assumed since they said the fentanyl was taken in the last 24 hours that the blood tests on 20th were clear. Did they also test at the hospital in Moline?

We don't know what Prince told Dr S. or whether he asked him to help him taper off of any medication, or whether he asked for any pain meds at all (before or after the plane OD). But it was reported that he did not have prescriptions for any controlled medication, which would seem to indicate Dr. S. did not prescribe anything very strong. And it doesn't seem odd to me that someone with a drug dependency or addiction would continue taking the illicit painkillers that they were addicted to. Especially if he was administered Narcan and sent into withdrawal. Many addicts OD to near death, get revived, and then go right from the ER and use again. It's the nature of the beast.

Yes they should've done blood tests and labs at the hospital in Moline, that is pretty routine any time you're in the ER, and especially if he was unconscious and administered Narcan x2. I would assume the ME and law enforcement and possibly even Dr. S. have obtained those records.

Kara said:

teach49 said:

Is HIPAA still in effect if someone is dead? I'm just asking because I really don't know.

http://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/...dividuals/

Got it. Thanks for posting.

SpinsterSister said:

New Year's Party 2015

this is from no later thant Summer 2011

Out of control ASSumptions.

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

leadline said:

Just because it is a star does not make it a conspiracy theory, that word has been made to have such a negative stigma behind it, to the point that people automatically discount anything in relation to it when it is used. In Prince's case, if you discount it simply because you think murder=conspiracy, well, it does him an injustice because if it is true, then any evidence or facts in relation to that so called conspiracy theory are automatically discounted and thrown out simply because nobody wants to be associated with that word. Leaving no stone unturned is entertaining all possibilites, regardless of connotation or perception.

[Edited 8/22/16 9:01am]

True. One can only hope that the Sheriffs and DEA are investigating all possibilities. But someone is going to have to talk for them to find out where he got the drugs.

Was referring to the crushing up the pills and placing it in food without one being aware of it. The Carver County PD (as well as the ME) said in the press conference shortly after his death they would be thorough....enough so to bring in the DEA. I trust them to leave no stone unturned. May be harder to get that info when several may have representation. i.e. lawyers telling them not to say anything/ very little.

Dibblekins said:

sunset3121 said:

Thank you.

There are a lot of assumptions based on P seeking Dr S's help for withdrawal (from H? - he seemed to be having excessive problems withdrawing from this drug if it is true). It is odd to think P would go to the doc for withdrawal meds but keep taking the illicit painkillers, even after the plane incident. He could have gone to this doc on 7th and said I am in pain and have been taking painkillers and need help to taper my dose down. He could have asked the same after the plane incident or on 20th (by which time the Dr would know how serious the situation had become) but it wasn't done that way. Then there is a panic (grave medical emergency) to get in the pain specialist (but they choose one that can't be there until Friday!) It is all very strange. Alternatively, P could have been seeing Dr S for something else.

I assumed since they said the fentanyl was taken in the last 24 hours that the blood tests on 20th were clear. Did they also test at the hospital in Moline?

I offered my thoughts on this a couple of pages ago - but I think it got missed in the flurry!

Should I re-post?

Missed in the flurry...NO DOUBT.

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

Dibblekins said:

I offered my thoughts on this a couple of pages ago - but I think it got missed in the flurry!

Should I re-post?

Missed in the flurry...NO DOUBT.

I think the pink, slappy emoties have to be my favourites, lol!

Copied and pasted from earlier:

Michael T Schulenberg, MD provides intensive care in HOWARD LAKE, MN. An Intensivist is a physician who has special training in critical care. An intensivist is a board-certified physician who provides special care for critically ill patients. Also known as a critical care physician, the intensivist has advanced training and experience in treating this complex type of patient.

Sorry...Speculation about to follow...

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So, it is possible that P. did have some other form of illness - a critical illness - the symptoms of which he was trying to self-medicate. Could Dr S's tests have been to do with this? After all, he was coming round to the HOUSE with the results - and that isn't usual practice, surely?

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Remember, we do have evidence from the chefs that P hadn't been able to swallow / eat for some time due to throat / stomach issues, even if we have mixed opinions about his physical appearance of late ( I personally think he looked unwell - almost jaundiced, and incredibly thin).

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Could it be that P just didn't want to acknowledge 'being ill'; that he was in denial - and that's why he chose to do down the illicit route (and OK, we know that, prior to the final OD, it wasn't Fentanyl he was using but maybe some less potent pain medication)?
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Then the (possible) OD on the plane occurred - and I say 'possible' because the tests seem to suggest that it wasn't a fentanyl OD but something else - maybe not an OD at all, but something to do with any illness he already had? However, he had those pills on him - and someone knew about them being on the 'plane for it to be reported in the AP article...Maybe he just hadn't used them yet but was prepared to do so, if things got worse?

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Anyway, he had his 'funny turn' on the 'plane; Judith intervened and they approached Dr K for assistance (It's significant that she was relatively NEW to his circle...Maybe all the others were either complicit or powerless; it certainly seems as though someone was obtaining illicit meds on his behalf; maybe her connection to Michael Jackson is significant too - in that she was able to say to P, 'for God's sake; I saw MJ go down this path - please don't do the same'?) Maybe this brought him to his senses a little so that he was willing to accept, at last, that he needed help?

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It still doesn't explain why he took those pills on the 20th...Unless things were really bad, and he was desperate...Maybe he really hadn't used them before and so had no idea they were what they turned out to be...

Regarding the clothes thing - I too thought it was weird at first, but Lala Escarzega just told me that Prince regularly wore his lounge clothes backwards because he didn't like v-necks. She said he would regularly wear both his shirts and pants backwards when he was lounging or relaxing.

So given that information from someone who was very close to him, it's not strange or suspicious at all.

Militant said:

Regarding the clothes thing - I too thought it was weird at first, but Lala Escarzega just told me that Prince regularly wore his lounge clothes backwards because he didn't like v-necks. She said he would regularly wear both his shirts and pants backwards when he was lounging or relaxing.

So given that information from someone who was very close to him, it's not strange or suspicious at all.

Why buy V necks then??!

laurarichardson said:

sunset3121 said:

Thank you.

There are a lot of assumptions based on P seeking Dr S's help for withdrawal (from H? - he seemed to be having excessive problems withdrawing from this drug if it is true). It is odd to think P would go to the doc for withdrawal meds but keep taking the illicit painkillers, even after the plane incident. He could have gone to this doc on 7th and said I am in pain and have been taking painkillers and need help to taper my dose down. He could have asked the same after the plane incident or on 20th (by which time the Dr would know how serious the situation had become) but it wasn't done that way. Then there is a panic (grave medical emergency) to get in the pain specialist (but they choose one that can't be there until Friday!) It is all very strange. Alternatively, P could have been seeing Dr S for something else.

I assumed since they said the fentanyl was taken in the last 24 hours that the blood tests on 20th were clear. Did they also test at the hospital in Moline?

No assumptions they pulled records from Dr. S office and some source told the the media what the doctor was treating him for we have been saying on this board all along that P may have had other health issues. We still do not two things What was he withdrawing from in the frist place? What did he od on that plane if it was an OD at all. I think if he had all those bogus meds he may have well been relapsing after trying to get off of whatever meds he was on. We also don't know his were abouts most of that day so what happened after he filled the Rx at the Walgreens how did he go from being gravely ill to being brought back to Paisley Park at 8:00 pm.

Kirk Johnson and Meron Bekure were the last people we know of that were with Prince. Per an article in ST: "As part of their 24/7 jobs with Prince, Bekure and Johnson were at the Dakota Jazz Club in downtown Minneapolis on April 19 for a concert by vocalist Lizz Wright. It was the last time Prince was seen at a public event. And his inner circle was with him."

http://www.startribune.co...379538981/

However it is unknown whether either of them were (or who was) with Prince on the day he died. You would think a bodyguard or assistant would have taken him to the doctor or hospital that day and then to the Walgreens. But I don't know if it was reported WHO dropped him off at home at 8 p.m. before he died. It's interesting that someone on his staff reportedly contacted Dr. Kornfeld to help Prince due to a "grave medical emergency" but Prince was well enough to be out in public in a club. I'm not sure when Kornfeld was contacted though, except he reportedly sent his son on a red-eye flight because he couldn't make it that quickly.

morningsong said:

EnDoRpHn said:

SpinsterSister said:

New Year's Party 2015

They need to bring charges against whoever dressed him in a garment bag and got him to wear black clogs with purple socks.

I knew someone was going to comment on that, I just knew it.

LuxLove said:

Militant said:

Regarding the clothes thing - I too thought it was weird at first, but Lala Escarzega just told me that Prince regularly wore his lounge clothes backwards because he didn't like v-necks. She said he would regularly wear both his shirts and pants backwards when he was lounging or relaxing.

So given that information from someone who was very close to him, it's not strange or suspicious at all.

Why buy V necks then??!

Exactly what I was wondering. And what does v-necks have to do with wearing pants backwards and socks inside-out? Maybe he didn't like tags and seams touching his skin. LMAO!

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

Dibblekins said:

I offered my thoughts on this a couple of pages ago - but I think it got missed in the flurry!

Should I re-post?

Missed in the flurry...NO DOUBT.

I wish this emoticons worked on FB. I'd use them all the time.

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

LuxLove said:

Why buy V necks then??!

Exactly what I was wondering. And what does v-necks have to do with wearing pants backwards and socks inside-out? Maybe he didn't like tags and seams touching his skin. LMAO!

Really have to suspend your disbelief in PrinceLand eh

Dibblekins said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

laurarichardson said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

terrig said:

I think the 'camp' is silent because they all 'knew' - I think they all had some idea or maybe didnt see anything exactly - but they knew he was on pain meds...even if Prince had bottles of vitamin C or aleve or whatever someone had to see him take an aleve or vitamin C at some point...

Prince was clearly comfortable taking pills from the illicit sourcing - so someone helped or multiple people helped him...theres just no getting around that and whoever did help him better speak up because many many people will die from this stuff if they keep silent.

ALLLLLL the people who claimed to be 'very good close friends' - are shitting their pants and hoping the world moves on...that idea is reprehensible to me -

you know you helped get the counterfeit drugs and you now know it killed Prince - ONE pill killed him - and you're willing to keep your mouth shut???

FU you piece of evil, God will get you for that.

Ummmmm, yeah to prevent going to PRISON for helping to kill PRINCE, I'm certain they are willing to keep their mouths shut.

Can you imagine all the other people who will die as well?

This is so achingly sad and tragic.

Militant said:

Regarding the clothes thing - I too thought it was weird at first, but Lala Escarzega just told me that Prince regularly wore his lounge clothes backwards because he didn't like v-necks. She said he would regularly wear both his shirts and pants backwards when he was lounging or relaxing.

So given that information from someone who was very close to him, it's not strange or suspicious at all.

Interesting. Prince sure had A LOT of those pretty young things who were "very close to him" or "very good friends" or "his best friend" or who "knew he loved me"... hehe