SpinsterSister said:

ZARIA7ETAN said:

SpinsterSister said:

I have a feeling more of his private life will come out when the investigation starts to tighten it's case. I believe the dealer from California. It is easy to take pills, ups, downs, anxiety, stabilizers etc. Opioids do not last all day, you have to take several per day based upon your tolerance, dosage and whatever else you're taking. Plus if you know how they affect you, you will know what you can "add" to make them stronger, or to bring out other aspects that you may find appealing. Dilaudid is an opioid and is suppose to settle you down (such as for surgery) but they revved me up, I had 4 injections and was still not settled enough for surgery. All bodies are different. Amen to him being a professional but at what cost? Was his reliance of it worth it all - in the whole scheme of things, I think not. His life was worth more than adulation. As far as mistakes being made, I am sure there were some but he had his inner circle to pick up the strings, to them clean up, that is why I am not convinced that nobody knew about his situation. I am sure the better detox/rehab doctors have harbors, like plastic surgeons...it's concierge service. Nice hotel, good nurses and a handler.

I don't want to believe it, but my gut feeling is this too.

So much of our speculation would be eliminated if the family would authorize release of the entire autopsy report. The findings would neither diminish his legacy nor affect our love and respect for Prince. It might also, if it is found that he had an underlying illness (not a pain issue), change the opiod/addict dialogue. Personally, although it was ultimately Prince who was the user, many of the people in his inner circle had to know something was going on. Heck, even I thought it was strange that he would be up all night and people kept talking about his tremendous energy and stamina. But if he was in pain from illness ... that's a whole different ballgame.

1Sasha said:

ZARIA7ETAN said:

SpinsterSister said: I don't want to believe it, but my gut feeling is this too.

So much of our speculation would be eliminated if the family would authorize release of the entire autopsy report. The findings would neither diminish his legacy nor affect our love and respect for Prince. It might also, if it is found that he had an underlying illness (not a pain issue), change the opiod/addict dialogue. Personally, although it was ultimately Prince who was the user, many of the people in his inner circle had to know something was going on. Heck, even I thought it was strange that he would be up all night and people kept talking about his tremendous energy and stamina. But if he was in pain from illness ... that's a whole different ballgame.

Now that I'm starting to settle down a bit, after all that's gone on, I've been looking back over the last 5 or 6 years and there is pretty certainly something that changed around mid/late 2014. If you go back to 2011, Prince is still very much how he always was, apart from being a bit older. His dancing and movement around the stage was still pretty heavy and he looked pretty fresh most of the time. 2014 at the first small hit and run shows he still looked great, and was a good 14 pounds or more heavier than he was over the last year. Come mid 2014, at the bigger hit n run shows he'd started losing weight. 2015 on and he was looking very thin and his face had changed markedly. I firmly believe that an illness could have played a part in his passing and the pain meds were a necessity to manage things. I think he probably knew his time was limited (based on lots of other things too), but ultimately it may have happened quicker than he expected. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe we'll never know and maybe we shouldn't.

What happened years ago when Mayte found him unconscious on 4/21/1996?

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jasontate said:

..... maybe we'll never know and maybe we shouldn't.

Allanya said:

What happened years ago when Mayte found him unconscious on 4/21/1996?

[Edited 6/14/16 6:07am]

I found this posting called "Mayte - Prince articles: era 1996-2000" started on May 18, 2010 on the org. It's a long read but it's very interseting if it's all true. One of the paragrpahs states how Mayte did find him unconscious in 1996 in his studio. Wow...

http://prince.org/msg/5/336650

AnnaStesia10 said:

Allanya said:

What happened years ago when Mayte found him unconscious on 4/21/1996?

[Edited 6/14/16 6:07am]

I found this posting called "Mayte - Prince articles: era 1996-2000" started on May 18, 2010 on the org. It's a long read but it's very interseting if it's all true. One of the paragrpahs states how Mayte did find him unconscious in 1996 in his studio. Wow...

http://prince.org/msg/5/336650

Correction, Mayte and her bodyguard fround Prince unconsciousness around March 16,1997. He even was sent to the hospital.

1contessa said:

beacheemom said:

I'm not sure if this has been asked; haven't had time yet to read through everyone's replies, but since Prince overdosed the day the plane had to make an emergency landing why would it not be considered a suicide at PP? He evidently knew how much he took the day the plane landed, so why would he do it again???? Here's my thoughts on my question: 1. He forgot he had taken a dose and took another dose of fentanyl resulting in overdosing. 2. He knew he was taking too much but the pain was still there so he was chancing it just hoping he wouldn't OD and hoping the pain would go away. 3. He didn't really care anymore because the pain was just too much. Sort of like whatever happens will happen just as long as pain is gone but he truly wasn't deliberately trying to kill himself. So what do y'all think? I'm heartbroken all over again. Why oh why oh why. We lost such a generous, kind, person.

Good questions, unfortunately this report they put out leaves you with more questions now than answers. I have a feeling something is not right here.

Yes, there are so many open questions.... I believe, if someone is really strongly addicted to opiates, which seems to have been the case, in the last months leading to his death, I believe when strongly addicted, you can no longer take reasonable decisions, but are driven by the addiction, all you want is another dose. This would also go in line, with what was witnessed, when he picked up the medication in the pharmacy, he seemed very nervous and pacing up and down. That is why, he may not have taken into consideration what had happened to him a week ago. Obviously he was in denial of his condition, otherwise he would not have thrown a party to show everyone, that he is fine, when obviously he wasnt. He wasnt well for weeks, having troubles eating, and it must have been for a reason, he was seeing several doctors, and getting blood results delivered to his home. It may not have been only for hip pain, but for his addiction and maybe because of withdrawal symptoms, for his problems with his digestion ect. Sadly, we may never know, what really has caused all of this.

angel22 said:

1contessa said:

Good questions, unfortunately this report they put out leaves you with more questions now than answers. I have a feeling something is not right here.

Yes, there are so many open questions.... I believe, if someone is really strongly addicted to opiates, which seems to have been the case, in the last months leading to his death, I believe when strongly addicted, you can no longer make reasonable decisions, but are driven by the addiction, all you want is another dose. This would also go in line, with what was witnessed, when he picked up the medication in the pharmacy, he seemed very nervous and pacing up and down. That is why, he may not have taken into consideration what had happened to him a week ago. Obviously he was in denial of his condition, otherwise he would not have thrown a party to show everyone, that he is fine, when obviously he wasnt. He wasnt well for weeks, having troubles eating, and it must have been for a reason, he was seeing several doctors, and getting blood results delivered to his home. It may not have been only for hip pain, but for his addiction and maybe because of withdrawal symptoms, for his problems with his digestion ect. Sadly, we may never know, what really has caused all of this.

That's the neon question in my mind. What was his frame of mind at that time?

jasontate said:

1Sasha said:

So much of our speculation would be eliminated if the family would authorize release of the entire autopsy report. The findings would neither diminish his legacy nor affect our love and respect for Prince. It might also, if it is found that he had an underlying illness (not a pain issue), change the opiod/addict dialogue. Personally, although it was ultimately Prince who was the user, many of the people in his inner circle had to know something was going on. Heck, even I thought it was strange that he would be up all night and people kept talking about his tremendous energy and stamina. But if he was in pain from illness ... that's a whole different ballgame.

Now that I'm starting to settle down a bit, after all that's gone on, I've been looking back over the last 5 or 6 years and there is pretty certainly something that changed around mid/late 2014. If you go back to 2011, Prince is still very much how he always was, apart from being a bit older. His dancing and movement around the stage was still pretty heavy and he looked pretty fresh most of the time. 2014 at the first small hit and run shows he still looked great, and was a good 14 pounds or more heavier than he was over the last year. Come mid 2014, at the bigger hit n run shows he'd started losing weight. 2015 on and he was looking very thin and his face had changed markedly. I firmly believe that an illness could have played a part in his passing and the pain meds were a necessity to manage things. I think he probably knew his time was limited (based on lots of other things too), but ultimately it may have happened quicker than he expected. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe we'll never know and maybe we shouldn't.

That's when his looks and demeanor seemed to start changing, you could see the dramatic, in my opinion, difference when he was on different shows and such. Getting thinner, looking very sad and down. A shadow of our beloved.

jasontate said:

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mailaccount63 said:

AnnaStesia10 said:

AnnaStesia10 said:

I found this posting called "Mayte - Prince articles: era 1996-2000" started on May 18, 2010 on the org. It's a long read but it's very interseting if it's all true. One of the paragrpahs states how Mayte did find him unconscious in 1996 in his studio. Wow...

http://prince.org/msg/5/336650

Correction, Mayte and her bodyguard fround Prince unconsciousness around March 16,1997. He even was sent to the hospital.

Thanks and sorry about the incorrect date.

mailaccount63 said:

jasontate said:

..... maybe we'll never know and maybe we shouldn't.

This is like having a family member drop dead and we don't know why. We know that it was the Fentanyl, but most of us feel that something else was going on. Maybe it was straight opiate addiction and Prince's dependence problem started in 2014. That could explain the changes that we've all noticed since that time. Maybe he was treating hip or some other type of pain. Maybe the doctor made a mistake with the Rx. I don't need to know his entire medical history. I just want to know what led up to Prince being found in that elevator.

Allanya said:

AnnaStesia10 said:

Correction, Mayte and her bodyguard fround Prince unconsciousness around March 16,1997. He even was sent to the hospital.

Thanks and sorry about the incorrect date.

I guess sometimes one, myself, needs to put things into prespective. I guess I was ready to read all of that now. Makes me a weebit sad, but it was what it was.

tmo1965 said:

mailaccount63 said:

This is like having a family member drop dead and we don't know why. We know that it was the Fentanyl, but most of us feel that something else was going on. Maybe it was straight opiate addiction and Prince's dependence problem started in 2014. That could explain the changes that we've all noticed since that time. Maybe he was treating hip or some other type of pain. Maybe the doctor made a mistake with the Rx. I don't need to know his entire medical history. I just want to know what led up to Prince being found in that elevator.

I can't make up my mind. One day I want to know every dinky thing, and then the pendulum will swing and I will get depressed thinking about how we will never be getting any more beautiful music from that funky man and I don't want to know any more at all because I just know he is GONE.

Well, one thing’s certain. He had the double hip surgery in 2010. So he had to have been in a lot of pain ..prior.. to that which is why the surgery was required. So..exactly how long had he been taking the pain meds; and what exactly had Doctor(s) Everythingwillbealright.. prescribed for it?

morningsong said:

Allanya said:

Thanks and sorry about the incorrect date.

I guess sometimes one, myself, needs to put things into prespective. I guess I was ready to read all of that now. Makes me a weebit sad, but it was what it was.

I feel you morningsong, I am trying hard to make sense out of all this stuff and I flip flop from not wanting to know info to just move on and enjoy his music, from wanting to know the last details of the year/months before his death. And after I read that story about Mayte in 1997, I was like what? Honestly y'all I don't know who or what to believe anymore. I don't fully trust the media, there are some good sources out there but it's heard to make it thru the b.s. That is why I apprecate the Org and you nice people. We all share a commonality, and that is our love and respect for Prince. And we are all hurting so we understand eachother. I come to the Org because I feel the people posting here are really intelligent, open-minded and of course have excellent taste in music (hello)! And I feel at this point I trust the opinions and links more ere than some research I do on my own.

AnnaStesia10 said:

morningsong said:

I guess sometimes one, myself, needs to put things into prespective. I guess I was ready to read all of that now. Makes me a weebit sad, but it was what it was.

I feel you morningsong, I am trying hard to make sense out of all this stuff and I flip flop from not wanting to know info to just move on and enjoy his music, from wanting to know the last details of the year/months before his death. And after I read that story about Mayte in 1997, I was like what? Honestly y'all I don't know who or what to believe anymore. I don't fully trust the media, there are some good sources out there but it's heard to make it thru the b.s. That is why I apprecate the Org and you nice people. We all share a commonality, and that is our love and respect for Prince. And we are all hurting so we understand eachother. I come to the Org because I feel the people posting here are really intelligent, open-minded and of course have excellent taste in music (hello)! And I feel at this point I trust the opinions and links more ere than some research I do on my own.

Some things he had his own way of admitting to and are not surprising, some things are embellished (the child not having any toys, c'mon), some things are pretty normal given the environment if you stand back and look at them, some things you kind of knew even if you didn't think about them much, and some things, well, those you digest as you can, which aren't that many. So, you roll with it.

Reading this article today:http://uproxx.com/life/fentanyl-prince-everything-you-need-to-know/

Something came 2 mind... so let's say he knew and consented to the help that was coming the next day... He's alone at PP and finds the fentanyl that he had... and goes to pick it up and trash all of it. Somehow he gets it on him (article references how law enforcement officers are SO careful around it that they cover up, so as not to get the drug in their systems via skin contact)... and that is what does it.

It could explain why he was found with painkillers ON his person and in his system... and it would also make what happened even more heartbreaking.

Marta said:

Well, one thing’s certain. He had the double hip surgery in 2010. So he had to have been in a lot of pain ..prior.. to that which is why the surgery was required. So..exactly how long had he been taking the pain meds; and what exactly had Doctor(s) Everythingwillbealright.. prescribed for it?

Based on my experiences and what I have heard/read, Prince may have had corrective surgery - sometimes a surgeon may go in to "clean up" a joint, smooth rough spots, take out any bone chips, and investigate what damage is done, to see if a total joint replacement should be performed. This can be minimally invasive. From what I have read, I believe that Prince may have possibly had this done.

But, I don't think, based on what I have read and my experiences, that Prince had total hip joint replacement surgery. The scars from that are massive. Most surgeons will "ban" certain activities (like active dancing, twisting of any nature, etc.) after the joint replacement(s). Full and total recovery from that, including regular therapy, takes approx. a year+. I think we would have seen/heard the obvious signs of that (wheelchair, walker, really putting a LOT of weight on a cane). (Everyone reacts/recovers from this differently.) I think that Prince needed total hip replacement surgery (especially after what I heard Sheila E. say about Prince being in pain most of the time), but I don't think he had it (for religious reasons? maybe fear of the surgery?).

Just my opinion, based on my experiences, and what I have heard/read.....

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Musze said:

Reading this article today:http://uproxx.com/life/fentanyl-prince-everything-you-need-to-know/

Something came 2 mind... so let's say he knew and consented to the help that was coming the next day... He's alone at PP and finds the fentanyl that he had... and goes to pick it up and trash all of it. Somehow he gets it on him (article references how law enforcement officers are SO careful around it that they cover up, so as not to get the drug in their systems via skin contact)... and that is what does it.

It could explain why he was found with painkillers ON his person and in his system... and it would also make what happened even more heartbreaking.

Oh great.


But I doubt that's how it happened because of the criminal investigation supposedly taking place as we speak.

Fury said:

His estate needs to hold all those trash rags accountable for saying he died of AIDS.

You said it exactly.

AnnaStesia10 said:

AnnaStesia10 said:

I found this posting called "Mayte - Prince articles: era 1996-2000" started on May 18, 2010 on the org. It's a long read but it's very interseting if it's all true. One of the paragrpahs states how Mayte did find him unconscious in 1996 in his studio. Wow...

http://prince.org/msg/5/336650

Correction, Mayte and her bodyguard fround Prince unconsciousness around March 16,1997. He even was sent to the hospital.

I had heard that was due to alcohol and some sort of pill (s).

SpinsterSister said: