littlemissG said:

roxy831 said:

mailaccount63 said:

Mumio said:

He OD'd less than a week prior....that's not enough proof for you???

I'm not really sure what you are still going on and on about here.

It doesn't matter what YOU think nor what I think in terms of his mental capacity and his legal rights in regard to that. The fact that he left the hospital says that it was deemed AT THAT TIME OF SERVICE that he was competent and of sound mind to leave, regardless of a possible OD....because accidental OD's do happen! Whoever he saw was qualified to make that determination. They do have means to keep someone from leaving but that can only be put into play if the person is a danger to themselves or others....since he did leave, they clearly did not feel he was a danger to himself nor anyone else. If he was of sound mind, then I have no problem with him leaving, even if it was against medical advice. That was HIS choice and should have been his choice. I can't believe that you actually would have an issue with the legalities of this...unless you aren't understanding what we were talking about.

And no, I'd NEVER take a person's rights away from them if a professional examination said they were competent. I can't believe you'd like that to happen to your rights either.

KingSausage said:

littlemissG said:

How is it a drug FIFTY times more powerful than heroin is legal?

it can be prescribed or years on end with nothing more than a monthly check-up.

Big Pharma profits first people's lives last.

Does anyone have evidence that prescription opioid painkillers like fentanyl (many of which are available in generic form, and ALL of which face substantial roadblocks to expanding their "customer base" due to very strict regulations on their use and dispersion) are really all that profitable for "Big Pharma"?

Heroin is legal in some countries for cancer pain only. Heroin is only heroin if it is injected via IV. If it were taken orally or what not, it then becomes morphine as it metobolised, which is legal and still used for pain. This is probably part of the reason it is illegal in the US.

As for big pharma, to me their big kick is on diabetes right now. Fentanyl is actually pretty "cheap". It is highly regulated like morphine, oxy, hydrocodone, etc. but it is cheap via the patch form. The other forms, I am not sure how much they are, probably very expensive as they are a newer dosage form.

Big pharma is allllll about patents. No patents, no money.

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Mumio said:

roxy831 said:

He OD'd less than a week prior....that's not enough proof for you???

I'm not really sure what you are still going on and on about here.

It doesn't matter what YOU think nor what I think in terms of his mental capacity and his legal rights in regard to that. The fact that he left the hospital says that it was deemed AT THAT TIME OF SERVICE that he was competent and of sound mind to leave, regardless of a possible OD....because accidental OD's do happen! Whoever he saw was qualified to make that determination. They do have means to keep someone from leaving but that can only be put into play if the person is a danger to themselves or others....since he did leave, they clearly did not feel he was a danger to himself nor anyone else. If he was of sound mind, then I have no problem with him leaving, even if it was against medical advice. That was HIS choice and should have been his choice. I can't believe that you actually would have an issue with the legalities of this...unless you aren't understanding what we were talking about.

And no, I'd NEVER take a person's rights away from them if a professional examination said they were competent. I can't believe you'd like that to happen to your rights either.

I tried to let it go before and YOU kept at it. Let's try it again, I'm letting it go!

Why are opioids so addictive?

Every 19 minutes someone dies from an accidental drug overdose. Most of the time, it's from prescription narcotics called opioids.

Source: CNN

Identity said:

Why are opioids so addictive?

Every 19 minutes someone dies from an accidental drug overdose. Most of the time, it's from prescription narcotics called opioids.

Source: CNN

That's all well and good, but there has to be SOME way to treat pain. What am I supposed to do when my cousin looks at me while she is hysterically crying because her neuropathy pain is so bad?!? What do I do when her spinal stenosis is so bad she can't even get out of bed?!?

The person that has saved my cousin's life is her Pain Management Doctor. As I have said before: he counts every pill, and sees her once a month. Prince needed a Pain Managment Doctor.

Until we come up with a way to treat pain that is not addictive, I don't think doctors have any other choice. If you are a person with any compassion, you want to help people that are in pain.

You can't just take people's pain meds away from them. You have to have some way to relieve the pain to replace them.

mailaccount63 said:

Prince needed a Pain Managment Doctor.

Indeed, Prince didn't think his dependency would kill him. Nobody ever does.

mailaccount63 said:

That's all well and good, but there has to be SOME way to treat pain. What am I supposed to do when my cousin looks at me while she is hysterically crying because her neuropathy pain is so bad?!? What do I do when her spinal stenosis is so bad she can't even get out of bed?!?

The person that has saved my cousin's life is her Pain Management Doctor. As I have said before: he counts every pill, and sees her once a month. Prince needed a Pain Managment Doctor.

Until we come up with a way to treat pain that is not addictive, I don't think doctors have any other choice. If you are a person with any compassion, you want to help people that are in pain.

You can't just take people's pain meds away from them. You have to have some way to relieve the pain to replace them.

Yes. There are so so many people with chronic debilitating pain that can't be surgically corrected/repaired. They must NOT be forgotten in this "war" on painkiller meds. You just can not forget them.

You call it a war against addictive prescription meds, I call it cautionary advice. I ,too, wish there was a safer and effective approach to long-term crippling pain.

Identity said:

You call it a war against addictive prescription meds, I call it cautionary advice. I ,too, wish there was a safer and effective approach to long-term crippling pain.

I think you and I feel the same about this, but we're just using different terminology.

The bottom line though, is that there's a tendency to make things more restrictive to stop the addicts/junkies/abusers from getting the drugs (for instance, think about what's been done to limit access to pseudoephidrine which is not sold otc anymore because it can be used to make meth-makes it a real pita to get the pills for someone like myself who's had chronic sinus problems for years) and too little thought going into those who legitimately can not do without them due to debilitating chronic disease conditions. We have an obligation, since we clearly have the technology, to make sure people who are suffering in horrific pain are able to get meds that help them. Too often it seems that people like that are forgotten in the frenzy to stop addicts from getting drugs. I've got friends that suffer 24/7 with crippling pain and opioids are the only thing that give them a bit of relief from that...they need these meds and shouldn't be denied. But again...I think we are on the same page.

Identity said:

mailaccount63 said:

Prince needed a Pain Managment Doctor.

Indeed, Prince didn't think his dependency would kill him. Nobody ever does.

since fen is 50 times more potent than heroin ....he MF crazy if he didnt

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Just a thought but if P was getting Fentanyl from his pain/ortho/family doctor, I would think that doctor would be the one helping him get off of them...not a doctor he had only seen twice. My thoughts are he wasn't getting Fentanyl from a doctor but was getting them from a dealer, and when he realized he had to stop, then he sought out a doctor for help, which was the beginning of April when he first saw Schulenberg. Not trying to offend anyone but just my thoughts.

purplethunder3121 said:

Terilicious said:

Percocet and other drugs knock me out. I am completly non-functional of drugs like that. I have cut my dosage in half and ten stopped taking Percocet altogether becuase it's just too strong for me. I don't know how people function on it. But then non-drowsy daytime meds knock me on my butt too. Once I took a zanax for anxiety prior to taking a test. I fell asleep mid-testing!!

I once took half a tablet of Oxycotin (I think) after dental surgery and went to a night class and zoned out for the whole class, nodding off. My mind was sluggish and I was slow to respond to questions. don't know how I made it home. I never took one again.

I really don't understand how people can function at all on those drugs!!

SO why did Prince's Minneapolis doctor pack up and leave town? I smell a rat

Pjseals said:

SO why did Prince's Minneapolis doctor pack up and leave town? I smell a rat

He left town?

Pjseals said:

SO why did Prince's Minneapolis doctor pack up and leave town? I smell a rat

Did you read that some place, if so would you be able to share the link?

Identity said:

Pjseals said:

SO why did Prince's Minneapolis doctor pack up and leave town? I smell a rat

Did you read that some place, if so would you be able to share the link?

I've never read that anywhere @ Pjseals. This is all it says about him in the Minneapolis Star Tribune from June 3rd:

"The day before he was found dead, Prince was treated by a Twin Cities doctor for withdrawal symptoms from opioid addiction. The physician, Dr. Michael Todd Schulenberg, a family practitioner, treated Prince for fatigue, anemia and concerns about opiate withdrawal.

Schulenberg did not prescribe opioids to Prince, a source has said.

The doctor gave a statement to a Carver County detective shortly after Prince's death, but has had no further questions from investigators, his attorney, Amy Conners, said Thursday."

Source: http://www.startribune.co...381663221/

prince's doctor sort of left his job abruptly and wasn't available for comment... at the time of this writing

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from:http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music/doctor-treated-prince-day-died-identified-article-1.2632248

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A Minneapolis doctor reportedly treated Prince the day before the musician’s mysterious death and was at the superstar's home the morning he was found unresponsive in an elevator.

Dr. Michael Todd Schulenberg, 46, spoke to police at Paisley Park shortly after Prince was declared dead April 21 and said he was there to drop off some test results, a search warrant affidavit obtained by the Los Angeles Times revealed.

The paperwork did not specify the nature of the alleged tests.

Schulenberg, a specialist in family medicine, said he treated Prince on April 20 as well as two weeks before that on April 7, according to the affidavit.

The doctor said he prescribed some medications to Prince, and the prescriptions were to be filled at a Walgreens, according to the affidavit signed by Carver County Sheriff's Det. Chris Nelson.

A spokeswoman for North Memorial Health Care in Robbinsdale, Minn., said Schulenberg no longer works at the hospital.

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She declined to comment on the reason for his departure, according to The Times.

Investigators interviewed Schulenberg at Prince's estate at 10:57 a.m., less than an hour after the platinum-selling pop star was declared dead, the warrant said.

It's not clear if the physician was present when Prince was found unconscious and not breathing by a small group including Andrew Kornfeld, a staffer from a California clinic specializing in addiction and pain.

Kornfeld took an overnight flight to Minneapolis at the request of his dad, Dr. Howard Kornfeld, and was the one who called 911 around 9:43 a.m. local time, his lawyer said last week.

Paramedics declared Prince dead at 10:07 a.m.

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Attempts to reach Schulenberg at his residence were not immediately successful Tuesday.

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[Edited 6/8/16 19:36pm]

This whole "WE NEED TO TOUGHEN THE LAWS!" bullshit saddens me.

All this is gonna do is ramp up the war on drugs, deny people who really need them access to them and drive the people that were driven to addiction through over prescribing towards heroin and street level counterfeits. The last thing we need here is some high and mighty politician in an election year passing "The Prince Act" that will only drive junkies into the streets and make cancer patients suffer in pain and beauracratic red tape.

herb4 said:

herb4 said:

This whole "WE NEED TO TOUGHEN THE LAWS!" bullshit saddens me.

All this is gonna do is ramp up the war on drugs, deny people who really need them access to them and drive the people that were driven to addiction through over prescribing towards heroin and street level counterfeits. The last thing we need here is some high and mighty politician in an election year passing "The Prince Act" that will only drive junkies into the streets and make cancer patients suffer in pain and beauracratic red tape.

Yup, that's what already happened when they tightened access to milder meds Vicodin and Percocet - we have a sudden major increase in deaths from heroin/methadone/fentanyl, just out of the blue, it came from nowhere...

The only thing that's being improved is the DEA budget.

New York Times: Drug That Killed Prince Is Making Mexican Cartels Richer, U.S. Says

http://www.nytimes.com/20...-says.html

Basically says that there is a epidemic of fentanyl that is illegally produced (in Mexicao or China) and distributed on a black market. Unfortunately, the info we have so far about Prince doesn't tell us if his fentanyl was generated in a legal lab (whether prescribed to him or acquired through some other method) or came from a totally illegal lab/black market.

disch said:

New York Times: Drug That Killed Prince Is Making Mexican Cartels Richer, U.S. Says

http://www.nytimes.com/20...-says.html

Basically says that there is a epidemic of fentanyl that is illegally produced (in Mexicao or China) and distributed on a black market. Unfortunately, the info we have so far about Prince doesn't tell us if his fentanyl was generated in a legal lab (whether prescribed to him or acquired through some other method) or came from a totally illegal lab/black market.

There was also a rash of deaths in Minneapolis and across the midwest from this Chinese produced fentany/hybrid....there was a link to the story somewhere in this thread...

KingSausage said:

littlemissG said:

How is it a drug FIFTY times more powerful than heroin is legal?

it can be prescribed or years on end with nothing more than a monthly check-up.

Big Pharma profits first people's lives last.

Does anyone have evidence that prescription opioid painkillers like fentanyl (many of which are available in generic form, and ALL of which face substantial roadblocks to expanding their "customer base" due to very strict regulations on their use and dispersion) are really all that profitable for "Big Pharma"?

Well, the most glaring evidence comes from the CDC, who attepted to introduce new pain killer rules due to the over-perscribing of such drugs. The drug lobbyists swooped in and blocked these rules, becasuse big money talks. If you want to know who killed our boy, I would suggest shining your flashlight at drug lobbyists and the entire for-profit healthcare system. No real cures, to either addiction or disease, will be found when these drug companies make far more money treating the symptoms. It's a fucked up system, and it took our boy.

XxAxX said:

prince's doctor sort of left his job abruptly and wasn't available for comment... at the time of this writing

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from:http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music/doctor-treated-prince-day-died-identified-article-1.2632248

by Nancy Dillon

NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 6:50 PM

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A Minneapolis doctor reportedly treated Prince the day before the musician’s mysterious death and was at the superstar's home the morning he was found unresponsive in an elevator.

Dr. Michael Todd Schulenberg, 46, spoke to police at Paisley Park shortly after Prince was declared dead April 21 and said he was there to drop off some test results, a search warrant affidavit obtained by the Los Angeles Times revealed.

The paperwork did not specify the nature of the alleged tests.

Schulenberg, a specialist in family medicine, said he treated Prince on April 20 as well as two weeks before that on April 7, according to the affidavit.

The doctor said he prescribed some medications to Prince, and the prescriptions were to be filled at a Walgreens, according to the affidavit signed by Carver County Sheriff's Det. Chris Nelson.

A spokeswoman for North Memorial Health Care in Robbinsdale, Minn., said Schulenberg no longer works at the hospital.

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She declined to comment on the reason for his departure, according to The Times.

Investigators interviewed Schulenberg at Prince's estate at 10:57 a.m., less than an hour after the platinum-selling pop star was declared dead, the warrant said.

It's not clear if the physician was present when Prince was found unconscious and not breathing by a small group including Andrew Kornfeld, a staffer from a California clinic specializing in addiction and pain.

Kornfeld took an overnight flight to Minneapolis at the request of his dad, Dr. Howard Kornfeld, and was the one who called 911 around 9:43 a.m. local time, his lawyer said last week.

Paramedics declared Prince dead at 10:07 a.m.

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Attempts to reach Schulenberg at his residence were not immediately successful Tuesday.

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[Edited 6/8/16 19:36pm]

So if Andrew arrived that night thennnnn what was he doing the whole time up until finding Prince? I mean did he hang out with Prince for a while? Did he stay in a hotel and then magically drive up to Paisley the next morning? Him arriving that night is what has peaked my interest because I know it was said that someone dropped P off the night before?

koortl said:

1contessa said:

Good questions, unfortunately this report they put out leaves you with more questions now than answers. I have a feeling something is not right here.

I was thinking the same thing. Not to upset anyone, but maybe he decided it was time to go...too much pain and had enough. He put on a great show and od on the plane with no chance of receiving help. That failed, he did another show at pp saying "wait a few days b4 you waste any prayers". Few days later he od again unfortunately successfully. That was my original thought when this happened. He was always in control of everything. No matter what happened, he's at peace and no longer in pain. Again, hope I don't upset anyone, just my opinion.💜

Yes I too thought that it may have been suicide, something that many refuse to accept the possibility of..............

Pjseals said:

It was reported that he stayed in a hotel and was picked up in the morning by staffers who took him to PP to meet with Prince. Upon getting there, well, you know the rest.