AnonymousFan said:

udo said:

SoulAlive said:

in other words....unless Warners gives Prince a check for $400 million,he ain't gonna do it

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If the Prince man had properly maintained his fanbase then there would have been less of a 'discussion'.

With this I mean: proper albums, proper treatment of fans, etc.

Not necessarily hits but decent music that even a record exec can recognise.

Exactly. There's almost no market.

I guess Prince's strategy during the recent years (TV appearances) was to re-establish himself as a legendary musician with this huge back catalog (nicknamed "so many hits"). The PR anniversary was probably on his mind.
But sadly he came out as arrogant as ever during his live performances, reworking "Let's Go Crazy" as if it was some kind of "Purple Haze", except it's not.
Pretending "Anotherlove" is the new LRC, except it's not.
Stretching said LRC live to ridiculous slowness and length, pretending it's the most atmospheric soundscape ever heard, except it's not.
It's almost our duty as fans to tolerate this attitude, but the public, when gathering the pieces of what Prince is (and of course they just have that unnerving surface of things to deal with), find this dude exceptional talented, but that's all. They have no idea of what great work has been laid on tape during/after PR. The persona does not project enough sympathy to care about in the first place.

Because of Prince blindness, we won't have a "Bootleg Volumes Series" before many years. Hopefully he'll realize the problem sooner and save what can be saved.

There are many competent curators that could do an exceptional job, and many of them are orgers. If he just would let go and let the pie pieces multiply, instead of being obsessed by how much lands on his plate.

udo said:

SoulAlive said:

in other words....unless Warners gives Prince a check for $400 million,he ain't gonna do it

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If the Prince man had properly maintained his fanbase then there would have been less of a 'discussion'.

With this I mean: proper albums, proper treatment of fans, etc.

Not necessarily hits but decent music that even a record exec can recognise.

His legacy and place in musical history? Who cares! Time is a trick.

His fans that know and appreciate what he's actually capable of doing musically? Fuck 'em! Nobody told them to grow up and have opinions, expectations and shit.

The young people that think he's just a cranky old man that doesn't understand how the internet works, that their older relatives swear is some sort of musical genius but can never really show them WHY beyond some grainy bootleggage or VH1 Soul Tribute? Who needs 'em!

Because hey, he's the mythical Prince. Celebrities stand and applaud whenever he decides to pop up somewhere. Journalists forget everything they've ever learned about journalism just to have his name in a title above their by-line. His Purple Army keeps him in sHitNRun pie and he sHitsNRuns whenever he damn well pleases, so it's all good.

[Edited 12/27/15 7:11am]

bonatoc said:

udo said:

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If the Prince man had properly maintained his fanbase then there would have been less of a 'discussion'.

With this I mean: proper albums, proper treatment of fans, etc.

Not necessarily hits but decent music that even a record exec can recognise.

Exactly. There's almost no market.

I guess Prince's strategy during the recent years (TV appearances) was to re-establish himself as a legendary musician with this huge back catalog (nicknamed "so many hits"). The PR anniversary was probably on his mind.
But sadly he came out as arrogant as ever during his live performances, reworking "Let's Go Crazy" as if it was some kind of "Purple Haze", except it's not.
Pretending "Anotherlove" is the new LRC, except it's not.
Stretching said LRC live to ridiculous slowness and length, pretending it's the most atmospheric soundscape ever heard, except it's not.
It's almost our duty as fans to tolerate this attitude, but the public, when gathering the pieces of what Prince is (and of course they just have that unnerving surface of things to deal with), find this dude exceptional talented, but that's all. They have no idea of what great work has been laid on tape during/after PR. The persona does not project enough sympathy to care about in the first place.

Because of Prince blindness, we won't have a "Bootleg Volumes Series" before many years. Hopefully he'll realize the problem sooner and save what can be saved.

There are many competent curators that could do an exceptional job, and many of them are orgers. If he just would let go and let the pie pieces multiply, instead of being obsessed by how much lands on his plate.

So-called fans are such pathetic and deluded people...

Stop projecting what you would like to happen and what SHOULD happen, and stop pretending to know what other people and general fans think of Prince.

And most of all, stop pretending to know what needs to happen for Prince to regain his status.

He has his status, he is in a great place in his life and making great music. Try to enjoy it, otherwise go play fantasy musician manager on a computer game.

Marco81 said:

He has his status, he is in a great place in his life and making great music. Try to enjoy it, otherwise go play fantasy musician manager on a computer game.

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Status? As an oldies act perhaps.

He doesn't really play the great music he made the past decade or more. (remakes do not count)

One one side he mentions 'so maby hits' yet plays the same stuff over and over in short multiple-shows-per-night sessions.

On the other side he never plays these other hits. Sans sampler. In full.

These other songs can also hit fans' hearts.

Yet he runs around in circles.

Marco81 said:

bonatoc said:

Exactly. There's almost no market.

I guess Prince's strategy during the recent years (TV appearances) was to re-establish himself as a legendary musician with this huge back catalog (nicknamed "so many hits"). The PR anniversary was probably on his mind.
But sadly he came out as arrogant as ever during his live performances, reworking "Let's Go Crazy" as if it was some kind of "Purple Haze", except it's not.
Pretending "Anotherlove" is the new LRC, except it's not.
Stretching said LRC live to ridiculous slowness and length, pretending it's the most atmospheric soundscape ever heard, except it's not.
It's almost our duty as fans to tolerate this attitude, but the public, when gathering the pieces of what Prince is (and of course they just have that unnerving surface of things to deal with), find this dude exceptional talented, but that's all. They have no idea of what great work has been laid on tape during/after PR. The persona does not project enough sympathy to care about in the first place.

Because of Prince blindness, we won't have a "Bootleg Volumes Series" before many years. Hopefully he'll realize the problem sooner and save what can be saved.

There are many competent curators that could do an exceptional job, and many of them are orgers. If he just would let go and let the pie pieces multiply, instead of being obsessed by how much lands on his plate.

So-called fans are such pathetic and deluded people...

Stop projecting what you would like to happen and what SHOULD happen, and stop pretending to know what other people and general fans think of Prince.

And most of all, stop pretending to know what needs to happen for Prince to regain his status.

He has his status, he is in a great place in his life and making great music. Try to enjoy it, otherwise go play fantasy musician manager on a computer game.

Pathetic and deluded to you, Dear Sir.

First of all, I'm on topic, you're not, you just want to pass the Kool-aid.
Second of all, I don't pretend to speak in place of somebody else, especially not petronizing people like yourself.
And most of all, this is a forum (go look in the dictionary), and I enjoy Prince's music in ways you could not imagine. Mine is just an opinion.

Shall we continue?

1 THING is graved on the stone....Prince does not care about what we write ...what we say & what we want.....he does care of himself only & what he wants!

love2thenines2003 said:

1 THING is graved on the stone....Prince does not care about what we write ...what we say & what we want.....he does care of himself only & what he wants!

Thank you for your useless comment.

In an alternative world, Prince is in reality KCOOLMUZIQ.
Or was it the other way around?



...What you want, you a house, you a car?
40 acres and a mule, a piano, a guitar?...

...I need forty acres and a mule
Not a forty ounce and a pit bull..


I guess this dick definitely isn't free.

If I remeber well, he played a bum twice on the NPS videos, and it was funny.
Now I feel like those two skaters who just got the finger as he jumps back into his limo.
"Come On", went the song nonetheless, in a paradox.

Oh well.

[Edited 12/27/15 6:10am]

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Eye can't wait till gets the MEGA deal that he is dreaming of!

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Please do not forget to breathe in between decades.

Princebonics are for fams.

Prince is no longer called the symbol he chose.

And if even the Prince man is dreaming of the deal then it is just like the American dream: you have to be asleep to believe it.

So basically we will never see re-issues galore

Sure we already knew that

Se7en said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

RodeoSchro said:

murph said:

Because what we already own sounds like shit?

My doesn't. Maybe you bought crappy bootlegs or downloaded stuff off crappy sites. I bought all my stuff at the record store and it sounds fine.

Mine too. If the catalog gets remastered by todays standards it won't sound good.

Comparing the Led Zeppelin remasters from the early 90s with the ones they released this year, the earlier ones sound much better. The standard today includes cranking the levels past the point of distortion. Ouch!

All I'm interested in is a nice collection of extras and it doesn't sound like Prince wants to give us that so, whatever...

My vinyl sounds excellent and I know how to use my volume control and my EQ for the CDs. I'm good.

thedoorkeeper said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

It is NO artist as gifted and better.

I think you need to rethink the structure of this sentence. Its like MEGA screwed up.

It puts the lotion in the basket.

djThunderfunk said:

warning2all said:

Prince should go after all the money he can get for his remasters!

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He's lost millions by not having a remaster program in the past 20 years or so.

SoulAlive said:

Askani said:

So he re-signed with Warner Bros. to regain his masters, with exclusive license to them for the duration of the contract.

Prince moves the goal post once again.

WB were idiots for even bothering with him again. They really should have known better. They should have just held on to those master tapes and told him to go fuck himself.

It's like nothing has changed since 1994 Prince is still "at war" with Warners.I honestly don't know why they assumed that things would be different this time.

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They didn't. They got exactly what they aimed for: a long and exclusive lock on his 1980s catalogue. If they'd get remastered and expanded versions of PR et al: bonus.

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The reality is that no company is going to handle Prince's back catalogue unless that includes his classics from the 1980s. No company gives a shit about anything he's done post-1995, perhaps even post-1991 or even post-1987.

RosesRred said:

My only request is that Sign O' Times Movie put on DVD...see I'm not asking

for much and I'm not being a brat about it either...

[Edited 12/26/15 11:13am]

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Oh for fuck's sake, there are numerous DVD releases from years ago, and there are currently TWO Blu-ray releases, one being a fantastic Japan box set.

Guitarhero said:

luvsexy4all said:

yeh but by the time THAT happens....less people will buy this stuff...fans r dying off.....so it all adds up to the same take anyway...so stop delaying

Could say the same for elvis fans , beatles , james brown etc. Am sure greatest hits of those guys still sell.

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Best selling reggae album of 2015? Once again Bob Marley's Legend, which continues to sell hundreds of thousands of copies each year. To young and old fans.

TrevorAyer said:

Beatles had WAY more hitz. Beatles did mot degrade their legacy image or brand by releasing 20 toilet water albums driving each and every loyal fan away

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To be fair, McCartney did try. And some of Lennon's output is rather dire.

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Beatles never sued thier fans.

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Actually they did. Sued fans recently WRT tapes from some of the album sessions.

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But overall they don't behave likes asses. And thus they can now release a remastered(!) edition of one of their many compilations and sell a massive amount of copies, because plenty of people will buy a deluxe box set of #1s (or whatever it's called) because the damn thing is actually worthwhile. .

Meanwhile Prince is shelling overpriced FLACs through some failing streaming service.

Se7en said:

"The choice you make it ain't no piece of cake It ain't no muthafuckin' piece of pie." Apparently, it is now exactly a piece of pie.

Bravo, sir.

This is all so tiring. The only reason I come to the Org anymore is to check for news on remasters. I haven't even picked up the Hit n' Runs yet, and don't much feel like it.

Ah well, back to my lovely Bowie box and deluxe a-ha and Nick Cave reissues...

eyewishuheaven said:

KingSausage said:

eyewishuheaven said:

Bravo, sir.

This is all so tiring. The only reason I come to the Org anymore is to check for news on remasters. I haven't even picked up the Hit n' Runs yet, and don't much feel like it.

Ah well, back to my lovely Bowie box and deluxe a-ha and Nick Cave reissues...

(Off topic for a quick question: How is that Five Years box set? How would you compare the remasters to the Ryko 1990 or Virgin-EMI 1999 releases?)

(It is a delight. I'd previously had the Ryko editions, and these discs are much livelier than those. For instance, I'd never really 'got' Soul Love before, but here it just blew my freaking mind. It's a bit thin on extras [only formally released rarities are here], but it sounds great, and it's beautiful! )

eyewishuheaven said:

BartVanHemelen said: