Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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Thanks for this post.
People talk about Prince being in Princeworld, but it can be very similar to a white person not at all relating to a black person's experience - and completely not understanding it. | |
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Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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Babynoz we are now 9 pages in. I never read or saw a post by you asking this. And my reply with the link came before you asked. There was about 3-4 hours after I posted it that i was not on the Org. I came back on for a min posted something and was off again until this morning. And like most of us I did not scan throught the multiple posts since then. I believe when I got back onto this thread it was page 7 or 8 today. But again I replied to BlackandRising not long after he/she asked. . And that unrelated exchange was not directed @ you intentionally. I was more tongue in check messing around. Nothing intentional.
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Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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I think what might be cool, when a thread like this happens. Because it always goes the same way and runs its course, is if we create a topic that keeps us on 'Prince' and what is actually happening here which is really about the music, his deal with Tidal etc and then create a topic in P&R highlighting the statement for discussion about 'Police were created...' and put the link in the opening statement. So we can keep, as much as possible, an on topic thread that doesn't get so muddled down.
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I know Prince has the talent and genius to still blow us away after all of these years. But his state of mind seems to be what has been his limiter. Mentally he does not seem to be in a good place. He seems to be full of anger and negativity (the state of music, religion, money, real music by real musicicans, get off my lawn..)while being passive agressive over it. | |
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It's disappointing to hear about Prince race-baiting to get attention in hopes of getting the public's eye on his album. Instead of making ignorant remarks like such that makes him look like a sheep to the mass-media; he should actually put work into promoting his album. He's not "willing to do the work" here. He's being lazy. And if his music isn't important enough to actually put a decent amount of time into promoting it, then he should just stop releasing new music. And release remasters. Because he's at the point in his career, even for him, that he has just recorded so much in his lifetime, that his creativity isn't flowing like it did in the 80s. It isn't even flowing like it was in the 90s, and the 2000s. It's sad but that's the reality of the situation. I like that he brought in a co-producer, I guess that helps him though. But he still shouldn't be lazy about this stuff. If music still matters to him; if albums still matter to him then he should act like it does and stop making himself look like a fool. His promotion makes sense to nobody, but himself! lol ”The people that will end up defining ‘Hate Speech Laws’ are the very people you don’t want to define the Hate Speech Laws” — Jordan B Peterson | |
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"dem po blacks"? wow. I see what babynoz is saying now. You live in the past as it's apparent that's how you wish things still where, and you're blind do your own biases, disgusing them in your love of Prince's music. it's sad but obvious reading your posts over time. | |
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I'm still not fully sure what to think about this. It's so confusing. I just know that I find it upsetting to see the rift Prince's words have caused among his fans here. Debates will be debates and everyone has their own opinion over this, that's cool. But I think we can all agree that one of the biggest reasons Prince was so appealing as an artist back in his heyday was his accessability. He had both men and women and black and white in The Revoltuion. I didn't live back in the '70s when he was getting popular but it must have been such an amazing thing to have such a diverse audience coming to see him in the '80s. It's just so upsetting to see that same audience split over one sentence. Meh, what do I know I'm just a 20 yr old in England lmao, I'm finished with this thread ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | |
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what does "race-baiting" even mean??
is that another meaningless, cop-out term, or catchphrase, like "playing the race card"? | |
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If anyone wants the source: ”The people that will end up defining ‘Hate Speech Laws’ are the very people you don’t want to define the Hate Speech Laws” — Jordan B Peterson | |
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YUP. | |
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just like fishing In order to catch a fish you use a lure: live fake flashy colorful etc People bait others with ideals of family race religion etc
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HUH??? These topics are not for the easily offended. So now you want me to try to analyse U? Using your 3rd Eye to see into my life... lol | |
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It's race baiting
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nonsense...no one is trying to "catch" anyone...people are merely expressing ideas...if someone feels "caught" or "lured", thats on them and their own guilty consciences... | |
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I ask this is all seriousness; but why, when you post one reference to one theory of how police started (and then prior to the introduction of slavery in the US), do you feel that this one reference point is the end all be all of the story? Do you think that this one reference invaidates the plethora of information to the contrary somehow? Do you not consider that, yes, most societies have always had some form of law enforcement, but that as time moves on, these same concepts can be, and have been, used for other purposes? Oldfriends4sale has posted this ad nauseum as if the more you post it, the more factual it becomes. The fact that many people of non-color cannot at the very least consider other possibiilities for what is and what was is a big part of the reason, I think, for much of the racial strife in this country and others. For example, I read a post on Yahoo the other day where people were actually entertaining the idea that, because they see what's going on today as some form of "reverse racism" by blacks (which there really can't be as we are not in a position to impose our will, culture, etc., on whites as a whole), that Jim Crow is actually a myth and the reasons there was segregation was because blacks were simply overpowering whites back then.That thread received thousands of upvotes and like-minded comments. So in light of this, why is it so hard for whites to simply sit back and think "yeah, I can kind of see why they'd think that way" when they see a comparison like the one Prince made? Why does it always have to be that we're "playing the race card" or "race-baiting" by simply articulating what we feel are apt comparisons between what is transpiring today and what happened in the past? If you are open-minded, simply peruse some of the links in this search (https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=slavery+and+police) and consider that there just might be alternate theories to the status quo, vanilla version of history most of us are spoon-fed. | |
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exactly so why are you so offended when Prince makes these statements? THis is a discussion, I can use Babynoz or whatever reference point I choose to make a point. Be that as it may, you do live in the past and you are quite biased. I notice that when Prince makes these comments, you are front and center on the subsequent threads. Always. It's an observation, don't get offended. | |
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I liked prince better when he was "raceless". I'm personally tired of him playing the race card. I've followed him since 1982, been a die hard fan since '89, seen him multiple times in concert, and own everything he's ever released ... actually owned everything 3 times due to my 1st collection being destroyed, and my 2nd collection being stolen. Oh, and I'm a white man, supporting a black artist... go figure. I realize there's racism in this country, but to hear a guy like Prince complaining about it, like it effects him, on a regular basis over the past decade or so, is just ridiculous. He was a black 17 yr old boy who was given the keys to the kingdom at WB. He was given a movie deal before he was even a megastar. He was allowed to do the Batman soundtrack despite his flop of Lovesexy, and the pulling of the Black Album. He was given the largest record deal in the music industry in 92..Then complained about it for years. He has had everything hes ever wanted out of this business, despite his bad decisions.. yet he complains about racism like his color has had some kind of negative impact on his career. Drop the drama, Prince. Go back to claiming you're black/white/Italian and whatever else you claimed to be back in your prime. I love you man... but enough with the race card. | |
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So let me get this straight; because you've followed him since 82, been to several concerts, own each album 3 times over, etc., etc., and because he was "raceless" in the past, his speaking out about race now is playing...the race card? LMAO
See, this is why there can never be an adult discussion aroudn these things. I sincerely hope Prince becomes more amd nore adamant about acticulating these messages.
And I really think Prince recognizes this about his past and this is a delibrate attempt to divest himself of this exact type of thinking from his fans. This one post perfectly captures the issue with these threads and, IMHO, his fan base.
I'm hoping that he's thinking along the lines of, if you want to live in the past, more power to you. But I'm moving on, if you don't want to hang, peace out. | |
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PurpleSkipper58 said: It's disappointing to hear about Prince race-baiting to get attention in hopes of getting the public's eye on his album. Instead of making ignorant remarks like such that makes him look like a sheep to the mass-media; he should actually put work into promoting his album. He's not "willing to do the work" here. He's being lazy. And if his music isn't important enough to actually put a decent amount of time into promoting it, then he should just stop releasing new music. And release remasters. Because he's at the point in his career, even for him, that he has just recorded so much in his lifetime, that his creativity isn't flowing like it did in the 80s. It isn't even flowing like it was in the 90s, and the 2000s. It's sad but that's the reality of the situation. I like that he brought in a co-producer, I guess that helps him though. But he still shouldn't be lazy about this stuff. If music still matters to him; if albums still matter to him then he should act like it does and stop making himself look like a fool. His promotion makes sense to nobody, but himself! lol 100% agree BOB4theFUNK | |
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No, Im good to go. I'm not offended, it's more of a sadness that even Prince's fans can't step out of their bubble for a minute. And I think i'm spot on about you. | |
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U asked what is race baiting. I defined it. that is what Baiting is in general. It isn't nonsense. well the bait might by but how I defined it isn't Sometimes it's good sometimes it's bad. Politicians use it a lot. when Prince used that line about Police and Black people -it was for that express purpose, it had nothing at all to do with Sept 7th Tidal & HitnRun sign up it's coming
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Do you really think I care what u personally feel/think about me? How much is it this time?
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lol why would I care if you care what I personally feel/think about you? I'm simply stating what I personally feel/think about you. Take it however you please. | |
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