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Reply #60 posted 01/03/14 10:48am

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NoVideo said:

XxAxX said:

regardless of what the FANS think about prince's output and about the fact that he doesn't do what *they* want him to, the reality is that prince is doing what he want to do and his career has not been 'killed'.

Is he? Or do you think he'd rather be selling millions of albums and playing before huge sold out arenas across the country? He tried very hard to come back commercially with Musicology, 3121 and Planet Earth, and failed. Perhaps what he's doing is in part because of fear of another failure with launching another major project and watching yet another album sink without a trace. He's coasting.

you're full of it. you don't know prince. moreover, you're guessing and projecting what YOU think he would want. i think he's doing exactly what he likes these days and that's because just watch him: he is doing what he likes to do. and if he happens to flip his fans the bhird along the way? imo so much the better.

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Reply #61 posted 01/03/14 10:58am

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XxAxX said:

regardless of what the FANS think about prince's output and about the fact that he doesn't do what *they* want him to, the reality is that prince is doing what he want to do and his career has not been 'killed'.

Is he? Or do you think he'd rather be selling millions of albums and playing before huge sold out arenas across the country? He tried very hard to come back commercially with Musicology, 3121 and Planet Earth, and failed. Perhaps what he's doing is in part because of fear of another failure with launching another major project and watching yet another album sink without a trace. He's coasting.


Not even slightly lol...Prince has been starting and abandoning projects for 20 years. And it has zero to do with being afraid of failure. Actually, I'm not sure "afraid" would ever be a word anyone with any impartiality would use to describe Prince during his career.


XxAxX was far more accurate in saying it's more likely that we fans are misguided in our perceptions of Prince's career and the level of success he's had during it than it is anything else. Personally, I think his musical output between TRC, N.E.W.S, One Night Alone and Xpectation were definite positive steps in an intriguing and more experimental direction, which in my opinion would have been extremely good for his career.

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Reply #62 posted 01/03/14 11:30am

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NoVideo said:

XxAxX said:

regardless of what the FANS think about prince's output and about the fact that he doesn't do what *they* want him to, the reality is that prince is doing what he want to do and his career has not been 'killed'.

Is he? Or do you think he'd rather be selling millions of albums and playing before huge sold out arenas across the country? He tried very hard to come back commercially with Musicology, 3121 and Planet Earth, and failed. Perhaps what he's doing is in part because of fear of another failure with launching another major project and watching yet another album sink without a trace. He's coasting.

falloff U guys are really living in an imaginary world where everyone in the music industry sells 40 million copies of their albums BUT Prince. Do u have any idea of the cash Prince made with these albums? Musicology and Planet Earth were #3 on the Top 200, Lotusflow3r was #2, 3121 was #1. Musicology was platinum, 3121 was gold (no data available fro the 2 others). And let me remind you that this happened AFTER P2P networksand streaming made record sales drop considerably (more than 50% since 2000). Lotusflow3r sold 168,000 in its first week. The problem with y'all is that you're like spoiled kids who consider that a musician isn't successful if he won't sell 10 million copies or more. That's totally irrealistic, 90% of the records released on labels, majors or indies, sell less than 50,000 copies today. You are all HALLUCINATING, these albums were remarkable commercial and financial success.

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Reply #63 posted 01/03/14 11:49am

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Byron said:

NoVideo said:

Is he? Or do you think he'd rather be selling millions of albums and playing before huge sold out arenas across the country? He tried very hard to come back commercially with Musicology, 3121 and Planet Earth, and failed. Perhaps what he's doing is in part because of fear of another failure with launching another major project and watching yet another album sink without a trace. He's coasting.


Not even slightly lol...Prince has been starting and abandoning projects for 20 years. And it has zero to do with being afraid of failure. Actually, I'm not sure "afraid" would ever be a word anyone with any impartiality would use to describe Prince during his career.


XxAxX was far more accurate in saying it's more likely that we fans are misguided in our perceptions of Prince's career and the level of success he's had during it than it is anything else. Personally, I think his musical output between TRC, N.E.W.S, One Night Alone and Xpectation were definite positive steps in an intriguing and more experimental direction, which in my opinion would have been extremely good for his career.

U know the more time I spend on this forum the more I have a feeling that many people here:

- Have no idea that there's anything save what they see on MTV, hear on their mainstream radio channels and see listed on the Top 20.

- Have no idea that there are other musical genres than what they see on MTV, hear on their mainstream radio channels and see listed on the Top 20.

- Have no idea that the above is about 5% if not 1% of the total music industry, and that dozens of thousands of albums are being released every year, in dozens of musical genres.

- Have no idea that what they see on MTV, hear on their mainstream radio channels and see listed on the Top 20 is mostly crap.

- Have no idea that commercial success now have little to do, if anything, anymore with the quality of the work, because it's all marketing and the worst is usually marketed the most.

- Have no idea that very FEW people now sell more than a million copies because record sales have considerably dropped since 2000.

- Have no idea that you don't need to sell 5 million copies of each of your albums to be considered a succesful professional musician.

- Have no idea that everyone in the music industry, artists, labels and tour managers, considers Prince to be a major force, a profitable artists whether we're talking sales or filling venues.

- Have lost all sense of perspective: for example I'm quite sure that everyone here who says Prince's career is a failure have delirious notions of how many copies of their albums other artists of his generation or older sale.

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Reply #64 posted 01/03/14 12:04pm

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databank said:

NoVideo said:

Is he? Or do you think he'd rather be selling millions of albums and playing before huge sold out arenas across the country? He tried very hard to come back commercially with Musicology, 3121 and Planet Earth, and failed. Perhaps what he's doing is in part because of fear of another failure with launching another major project and watching yet another album sink without a trace. He's coasting.

falloff U guys are really living in an imaginary world where everyone in the music industry sells 40 million copies of their albums BUT Prince. Do u have any idea of the cash Prince made with these albums? Musicology and Planet Earth were #3 on the Top 200, Lotusflow3r was #2, 3121 was #1. Musicology was platinum, 3121 was gold (no data available fro the 2 others). And let me remind you that this happened AFTER P2P networksand streaming made record sales drop considerably (more than 50% since 2000). Lotusflow3r sold 168,000 in its first week. The problem with y'all is that you're like spoiled kids who consider that a musician isn't successful if he won't sell 10 million copies or more. That's totally irrealistic, 90% of the records released on labels, majors or indies, sell less than 50,000 copies today. You are all HALLUCINATING, these albums were remarkable commercial and financial success.

Lotus flower has a gold plaque....he does exactly what he want to do when he wakes up

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Reply #65 posted 01/03/14 12:52pm

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2elijah said:

Guess I'll join the discussion since I'm snowed in from the snowstorm. Anyway, I think his best career move was when he parted from the Purple Rain era/Revolution band members. I'm sure some folks will not be happy that is being said. But I don't mean it in a disrespectful way, as I enjoyed the Purple Rain era of that time. By that I mean, by his parting with those band members and moving on with his musice, he left a legacy for himself and the Revolution band members who were involved in the Purple Rain era/and the movie. The movie is still watched every year by new fans/fans from back in the day, so that era will always be attached to his name and those band members. Now although he has moved on from playing music from that era, but still performs some songs from that era, not surprising, because of the musically-diverse audience-fans from the Purple Rain era to present day, where many look forward to hearing some of those songs, for memories sake. So it is not surprising to hear him perform songs like 'LRC', 'Purple Rain', 'TMWU', at previous/recent concerts on that basis. It's like when he parted from the Lovesexy band members/era, occasionally he will perform some songs like , 'Forever in My Life', and a few others. I just feel with both the Purple Rain and LoveSexy eras, he's left quite a legacy for himself/including the band members of both eras, which I will admit for me, those two eras were two of his most memorable for many of his fans--based on the PR movie/music and the fantastic performance of the LoveSexy tour.

I also liked the 3121 era of music/shows through early 2012), along with some former/current NPG band members (including his trio back-up singers and horn section). I'm still trying to get use to the addition of the newest, 3rdeye girl band members as part of his musical family and the addition of others like Andre Gouche-who performs with Prince occasionally, only because I haven't seen them perform much live with Prince, as I've seen with the other band members. My first time seeing the 3rdeyegril members perform with Prince, was at the recent Mohegan Sun show on 12/29/13. I did however liked their performance with Prince in the 'Bambi' vid that was for sale last year, that I purchased, and I unfortunately lost on my computer because it somehow crashed.

I believe if he didn't take chances/risks and moved on from the Revolution band era, then he might have just been limited/sort of stigmatized, to songs from that era. You see this happening with the current Morris Day & the Time band. Not to insult, because I always enjoyed the songs of the Time band, but the present-day, MD & the Time's performance seems to be limited when they perform live, as I've seen them twice live, and they only seem to perform songs the original Time members have sung.

I don't think Prince killed his career at all though. Live shows seems the way to go these days, and considering Prince isn't sign to a label, he seems to do well with live shows, even better than some artists who are considered 'popular' today to the younger generation. Given the state of the music industry, introducing plastic acts/clones they try to pass them over as 'real talent', but many of them fall short or fail to take the originality of artists, and make it into a style of their own, well it is a pleasure to have an artist, who may have had his own influences/inspirations from musiciana/artists before him- may have borrowed from some of their styles, but was creative enough and succeeded at turning their influences/inspiration into a style he can call his own.

I think if some believe he killed his career, that could be either based on some fans' desire to pigeon-hole Prince into the Purple Rain or some other era or some fans desire to design him as what they want him to be as a musician/artist, rather than embracing him as the musician/artist that he is, with his own creative vision and how he chooses to present the music to his audience. Not everyone will like 'all' the music of any artist, no matter how famous/popular they are, but being able to basically fill arenas/sell out concert tix on short notice is not something many artists can do either.

[Edited 1/3/14 10:04am]

Good post I agree with all of that.

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Reply #66 posted 01/03/14 1:05pm

SoulAlive

Best career move: the Purple Rain movie

Worst career move: the slave era/going to war with Warners/changing his name to a symbol

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Reply #67 posted 01/03/14 2:47pm

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databank said:

Byron said:


Not even slightly lol...Prince has been starting and abandoning projects for 20 years. And it has zero to do with being afraid of failure. Actually, I'm not sure "afraid" would ever be a word anyone with any impartiality would use to describe Prince during his career.


XxAxX was far more accurate in saying it's more likely that we fans are misguided in our perceptions of Prince's career and the level of success he's had during it than it is anything else. Personally, I think his musical output between TRC, N.E.W.S, One Night Alone and Xpectation were definite positive steps in an intriguing and more experimental direction, which in my opinion would have been extremely good for his career.

U know the more time I spend on this forum the more I have a feeling that many people here:

- Have no idea that there's anything save what they see on MTV, hear on their mainstream radio channels and see listed on the Top 20.

- Have no idea that there are other musical genres than what they see on MTV, hear on their mainstream radio channels and see listed on the Top 20.

- Have no idea that the above is about 5% if not 1% of the total music industry, and that dozens of thousands of albums are being released every year, in dozens of musical genres.

- Have no idea that what they see on MTV, hear on their mainstream radio channels and see listed on the Top 20 is mostly crap.

- Have no idea that commercial success now have little to do, if anything, anymore with the quality of the work, because it's all marketing and the worst is usually marketed the most.

- Have no idea that very FEW people now sell more than a million copies because record sales have considerably dropped since 2000.

- Have no idea that you don't need to sell 5 million copies of each of your albums to be considered a succesful professional musician.

- Have no idea that everyone in the music industry, artists, labels and tour managers, considers Prince to be a major force, a profitable artists whether we're talking sales or filling venues.

- Have lost all sense of perspective: for example I'm quite sure that everyone here who says Prince's career is a failure have delirious notions of how many copies of their albums other artists of his generation or older sale.

this most of all. prince has the respect of his peers and there's nothing more successful than that. he's stronger now than 30 years ago, and imo he's like one of those firelogs that not only never goes out, it gets brighter as it burns

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Reply #68 posted 01/03/14 3:12pm

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best career move: refusing to let earth wind & fire produce him early on

worst career move: i don't think prince thinks about his 'career'. prince knows how to play the game when he WANTS to. thats it.

he does exactly what he wants to. nothing more, nothing less. if he wanted his career to be different it would be. i think he's happy.

prince is more like a painter in how he moves through his projects....his output concerns him less than his freedom to continue creating does .....

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Reply #69 posted 01/03/14 9:20pm

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Anyone who can get people to go to Connecticut in December hasn't ruined a damn thing! His career is fine and 30000 will testify to that.

When eye go 2 a Prince concert or related event it's all heart up in the house but when eye log onto this site and the miasma of bitchiness is completely overwhelming!
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Reply #70 posted 01/03/14 9:59pm

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Anyone who can get people to go to Connecticut in December hasn't ruined a damn thing! His career is fine and 30000 will testify to that.



Ha. That's funny! I live in Connecticut and each show was sold out and jamming. Prince is doing what Prince wants to do.
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Reply #71 posted 01/03/14 10:22pm

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We all know the best move move of his career pretty much [& the worse. But, I want to focus on the worst flipped off]


Worst Career Moves: Hmmm......hmmm lol


It all started when he fired Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis from The Time....[imagine him starting Paisley Park with them as his in-house producers.....think of what could have become of that! disbelief]

Doing other worthless albums for non-talented artist, when he could have saved those songs for other better options.

Releasing ATWIAD after PR in the state that is was released [Take the b-sides, & a couple of track from The Family for himself, & ATWIAD is a classic! Not the lackluster album it ultimately was]

No true Sign O' The Times Tour

Batman Soundtrack

Graffiti Bridge.....just.....damn, everything about it

Adding rappers to his music, & trying to fit in during such a horrible early 90's era.

The WB debacle, & how he handled it.



& pretty much everything after that. mad




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Reply #72 posted 01/03/14 10:49pm

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Well I'd still say leaving the Revolution. I understand a lot of you long time fans will roll your eyes, but as a younger fan I just don't get the music from Lovesexy onwards. It sounds disjointed and confused at times. There certainly are gems,but it's gravel more than anything else for me. The live performaces and clothes were cool, but Alphabet Street was like the only decent track on there.

Music is subjective to the listeners prefences though, and I think that speaks to Princes appeal; he can have fans who grew up with his records from a certain time point and swear up and down by them, and have others who outright hate em'. I've just wish Prince could make a splash again with his albums. SOTT, PR, and Parade are like classics, and I even like 3121 and PE, but it's just not the same quality. It doesn't have to be drum machines and similar sounds, but please just give us an album we can all agree on again, something just amazing.

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Reply #73 posted 01/04/14 1:56am

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XxAxX said:

regardless of what the FANS think about prince's output and about the fact that he doesn't do what *they* want him to, the reality is that prince is doing what he want to do and his career has not been 'killed'.

Pur-lease, dude wants to have hits desperately. Dude wants to be a major player, just like he was in the 1980s. Just look at him desperately clinging to whatever current act he deems worthy of his attention. We already know one utterly ridiculous thing he's planning to do to promote his new album (that New Girl cameo) and there will be plenty more to come.

Prince is not doing what he wants to do, otherwise he wouldn't bitch in interviews about the Internet being dead etc.

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Reply #74 posted 01/04/14 2:35am

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BartVanHemelen said:

XxAxX said:

regardless of what the FANS think about prince's output and about the fact that he doesn't do what *they* want him to, the reality is that prince is doing what he want to do and his career has not been 'killed'.

Pur-lease, dude wants to have hits desperately. Dude wants to be a major player, just like he was in the 1980s. Just look at him desperately clinging to whatever current act he deems worthy of his attention. We already know one utterly ridiculous thing he's planning to do to promote his new album (that New Girl cameo) and there will be plenty more to come.

Prince is not doing what he wants to do, otherwise he wouldn't bitch in interviews about the Internet being dead etc.

Well, that'd be pretty easy if u ask me. Look at what Madonna and Kylie and Black Eyed Peas are doing: following the trends of the top-10! It's worked quite fine for them! Prince is more than capable to just stupidely imitate the generic sound of Justin Timberlake, Timbaland or Robin Thicke if he wants to: he's proven numerous times that he's good at being a copycat when he wants to, and he could perfectly be doing that instead of releasing Hendrix-like albums like lotusflw3r or self-homage albums like Mplsound and 20Ten. And he could also get any of the 3 majors left (Jesus, they were still 5 10 years ago!) to release and promote it if he wanted (doors are obviously open at Universal and Sony, and I doubt WB would reject him if he left them alone with the masters).

+ once again he's HAD hit albums every time he's tried lately: in terms of sales Musicology, 3121, Planet Earth and Lotusflow3r have been very satisfactory by current industry's standards. My feeling is that he could have 4 singles being #1 at the Top200 and sell 5 million copies of the related album that you'd still find excuses to say he's a commercial failure for some reason. It's the same with live shows, you're saying "he doesn't have a career because he plays hits". Technically playing hits is appealing for the casual listener and helps filling venues, so in terms of career anyone in the music industry will tell you it's a good move even if it's frustrating for us fans (but we'll attend the shows anyway because we're fans, so why should he care what we want?).

If you think his current music sucks that's your prerogative to say so, but we're not talking artistic accomplishments here, we're talking career. Kenny G has released shit all his life but no one can argue that he's had a wonderfully successful career, can we? So don't mix everything and stay on topic ^^

So what's your point?

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Reply #75 posted 01/04/14 2:55am

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By now he would've ended up as a touring legacy act either way - he seems to be doing that pretty well, a Prince gig is an event.

Hits and commercial profile mean little to me at least, but I think my only disappointment was that his studio work took such a nose dive. Prince doesn't often drop that character facade in his work and I think it's partly holding him back from exploring and producing something worth of putting out on record, not just another 12 song grab bag.

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Reply #76 posted 01/04/14 4:36am

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Even if Prince's live gigs are "oldies" or "greatest hits" shows these days he does it still quite well. The setlists are varied stylistically and the guy still has a lot of stage presence. I've only seen one performer do the same thing better than him - and that was David Bowie when he was about the same age.

I do agree that Prince killed his career as a mainstream pop artist by silly image choices and performances in the 1990s, along with the WB disputes. However, it should be obvious that he didn't fully want to be a mainstream pop artist anymore. He just does more commercial-sounding songs every now and then as it's just a part of who he is.

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Reply #77 posted 01/04/14 5:33am

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BartVanHemelen said:

XxAxX said:

regardless of what the FANS think about prince's output and about the fact that he doesn't do what *they* want him to, the reality is that prince is doing what he want to do and his career has not been 'killed'.

Pur-lease, dude wants to have hits desperately. Dude wants to be a major player, just like he was in the 1980s. Just look at him desperately clinging to whatever current act he deems worthy of his attention. We already know one utterly ridiculous thing he's planning to do to promote his new album (that New Girl cameo) and there will be plenty more to come.

Prince is not doing what he wants to do, otherwise he wouldn't bitch in interviews about the Internet being dead etc.

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Reply #78 posted 01/04/14 7:20am

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Making albums with stuff he mostly doesn't play live.

(AKA playing hits, more hits and then some hits)

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #79 posted 01/04/14 7:57am

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BartVanHemelen said:

XxAxX said:

regardless of what the FANS think about prince's output and about the fact that he doesn't do what *they* want him to, the reality is that prince is doing what he want to do and his career has not been 'killed'.

Pur-lease, dude wants to have hits desperately. Dude wants to be a major player, just like he was in the 1980s. Just look at him desperately clinging to whatever current act he deems worthy of his attention. We already know one utterly ridiculous thing he's planning to do to promote his new album (that New Girl cameo) and there will be plenty more to come.

Prince is not doing what he wants to do, otherwise he wouldn't bitch in interviews about the Internet being dead etc.

agree to disagree, sir. let's see if i can put this nicely this time without using any profanity or making nasty remarks about your character or personal motivation: over the years i have disagreed strongly with your many, repeating and repetitive deleterious posts regarding prince's output.

your spiteful, negative comments (see, above: "desperately clinging to whatever current act he deems worthy of his attention. We already know one utterly ridiculous thing he's planning to do to promote his new album") in this forum are protected by forum rules and law.

however, it is clear from your decades long, well-documented, easily searchable output on this website that your opinion is always negative, that you find nothing good to say about prince's work, ever.

so, therefore, in my opinion, speaking personally and only for myself, your opinions as posted here on this website (see, all BVH posts as documented) are so biased as to render them well worth disregarding entirely.

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Reply #80 posted 01/04/14 8:01am

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databank said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Pur-lease, dude wants to have hits desperately. Dude wants to be a major player, just like he was in the 1980s. Just look at him desperately clinging to whatever current act he deems worthy of his attention. We already know one utterly ridiculous thing he's planning to do to promote his new album (that New Girl cameo) and there will be plenty more to come.

Prince is not doing what he wants to do, otherwise he wouldn't bitch in interviews about the Internet being dead etc.

Well, that'd be pretty easy if u ask me. Look at what Madonna and Kylie and Black Eyed Peas are doing: following the trends of the top-10! It's worked quite fine for them! Prince is more than capable to just stupidely imitate the generic sound of Justin Timberlake, Timbaland or Robin Thicke if he wants to: he's proven numerous times that he's good at being a copycat when he wants to, and he could perfectly be doing that instead of releasing Hendrix-like albums like lotusflw3r or self-homage albums like Mplsound and 20Ten. And he could also get any of the 3 majors left (Jesus, they were still 5 10 years ago!) to release and promote it if he wanted (doors are obviously open at Universal and Sony, and I doubt WB would reject him if he left them alone with the masters).

+ once again he's HAD hit albums every time he's tried lately: in terms of sales Musicology, 3121, Planet Earth and Lotusflow3r have been very satisfactory by current industry's standards. My feeling is that he could have 4 singles being #1 at the Top200 and sell 5 million copies of the related album that you'd still find excuses to say he's a commercial failure for some reason. It's the same with live shows, you're saying "he doesn't have a career because he plays hits". Technically playing hits is appealing for the casual listener and helps filling venues, so in terms of career anyone in the music industry will tell you it's a good move even if it's frustrating for us fans (but we'll attend the shows anyway because we're fans, so why should he care what we want?).

If you think his current music sucks that's your prerogative to say so, but we're not talking artistic accomplishments here, we're talking career. Kenny G has released shit all his life but no one can argue that he's had a wonderfully successful career, can we? So don't mix everything and stay on topic ^^

So what's your point?


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Reply #81 posted 01/04/14 9:19am

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I'd love an acoustic, intimate soul baring album from a 50+ year old man thats experienced alot of pain and confusion in his life....a focused tight project...something honest and raw lyrically. something unexpected like that could be a winner.

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Reply #82 posted 01/04/14 10:19am

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Fully acknowledging that Prince is still selling a lot of tickets and thus has a viable (at the very least profitable) career, I think he has made a lot of bad career moves.

- Disbandoning the Purple Rain sound and The Revolution too early.

- Lovesexy album plus cover. I have no problem with it, but the general public did.

- Graffiti Bridge movie. An embarrassment. The album was far from perfect either.

- The name change, this was the worst career move. Nobody understood why, nor cared, and he was ridiculed for it ever since.

- Wearing 'slave' on his face.

- The plastic production on Emancipation (Kirk Johnson). He should have never been hired, and the album might have sounded much better perhaps.

- Not hiring a good producer ever since Emancipation. Let's face it, Prince lost his last connections with the Zeitgeist around the mid nineties, and is in need of a smart pair of ears to help him make the right musical decisions.

- Not bringing out decent remasters. He could have made some money on them, win some new fans and satisfy his hardcore fanbase in one go.

His best career moves:

-Recording 1999.

-Purple Rain (movie and OST)

-SOTT tour

-The side projects (back when the were still good/interesting).
-Batman. Brought him back his popularity.

-Diamonds & Pearls. Not a favorite of mine perse, but definately a good one for the general public.

RIP Prince: thank U 4 a funky Time...
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Reply #83 posted 01/04/14 1:46pm

murph

thedance said:

what's Prince best - and worst - career moves... in your opinion.. question


Imo:

Best career move
, was to sign with Warner Bros. in 1977. The WB.-company really was supportive and made him a superstar, world wide, 1982 to 1988.


Imo:

Worst career move
, was the prince symbol name change 1993 to 2000. It was cool in the beginning "Prince is dead - long live the New Power Generation" and all that.. but then became impossible, sometimes emberrassing. I saw the Gold concert in Den Bosch Holland, in early 1995. It was half a year before this album came out and a lot of the new material was played. Cool, but it quickly became "a struggle" to be a fan and to defend this prince name change to non-fans. It was impossible, no one understood just why he gave up his name for a symbol.

Prince's career never was the same, even when he changed his name back to Prince. He is a living legend that is for sure - the greatest genius of his generation, but today, let's face it, no one (only the true funk soldiers - lol) - no one really cares about Prince's new music anymore.


Don't you agree with me, Prince killed his own career, with some really bad career moves. question

This silly post is like catnip to the usual suspects....Some of y'all need to drop Prince all together and listen to some other/new artists....

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Reply #84 posted 01/04/14 3:25pm

SoulAlive

Tittypants said:

No true Sign O' The Times Tour

This was definitely one of his biggest career mistakes,imo.I don't think he truly realized the momemtum and impact that this album was having,in the summer/fall of '87.If he had toured the US in the fall of that year,it would have been that year's biggest,most successful tour.The concert film was nice,but nothing takes the place of a real tour.

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Reply #85 posted 01/04/14 4:24pm

KCOOLMUZIQ

None of U know what Prince was going through personally to scrap a US tour of SOTT. He does have a personal life U know!!

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #86 posted 01/04/14 5:58pm

Byron

XxAxX said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Pur-lease, dude wants to have hits desperately. Dude wants to be a major player, just like he was in the 1980s. Just look at him desperately clinging to whatever current act he deems worthy of his attention. We already know one utterly ridiculous thing he's planning to do to promote his new album (that New Girl cameo) and there will be plenty more to come.

Prince is not doing what he wants to do, otherwise he wouldn't bitch in interviews about the Internet being dead etc.

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I never get one of these lol...

I want my posts to get deleted by a moderator, dammit! hmph!



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Reply #87 posted 01/04/14 6:04pm

Byron

XxAxX said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Pur-lease, dude wants to have hits desperately. Dude wants to be a major player, just like he was in the 1980s. Just look at him desperately clinging to whatever current act he deems worthy of his attention. We already know one utterly ridiculous thing he's planning to do to promote his new album (that New Girl cameo) and there will be plenty more to come.

Prince is not doing what he wants to do, otherwise he wouldn't bitch in interviews about the Internet being dead etc.

agree to disagree, sir. let's see if i can put this nicely this time without using any profanity or making nasty remarks about your character or personal motivation: over the years i have disagreed strongly with your many, repeating and repetitive deleterious posts regarding prince's output.

your spiteful, negative comments (see, above: "desperately clinging to whatever current act he deems worthy of his attention. We already know one utterly ridiculous thing he's planning to do to promote his new album") in this forum are protected by forum rules and law.

however, it is clear from your decades long, well-documented, easily searchable output on this website that your opinion is always negative, that you find nothing good to say about prince's work, ever.

so, therefore, in my opinion, speaking personally and only for myself, your opinions as posted here on this website (see, all BVH posts as documented) are so biased as to render them well worth disregarding entirely.


Bart's the ex-girlfriend who won't go away lol...her sole mission in life is to let everyone know how much of a dick her ex-boyfriend is.





(keeps fingers crossed that a moderator will deem this post delete-worthy batting eyes )

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Reply #88 posted 01/04/14 6:38pm

SoulAlive

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

None of U know what Prince was going through personally to scrap a US tour of SOTT. He does have a personal life U know!!

He simply wanted to move on.By the fall of 1987,Prince was already planning The Black Album.It's a shame because,with a tour and a few more singles,the SOTT album could have lasted well into the first half of 1988.

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Reply #89 posted 01/04/14 6:53pm

KCOOLMUZIQ

SoulAlive said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

None of U know what Prince was going through personally to scrap a US tour of SOTT. He does have a personal life U know!!

He simply wanted to move on.By the fall of 1987,Prince was already planning The Black Album.It's a shame because,with a tour and a few more singles,the SOTT album could have lasted well into the first half of 1988.

The same could be said about the "Purple Rain" soundtrack! Prince just gets bored easily. Fortunately 4 us, his boredom turns into another album. Eye don't see anything wrong with that!!

SOTT already had THREE top 10 pop singles! Also a classic album cut that still gets played today. The most he had at that time since "Purple Rain"! Things are suppose too happen like they're suppose 2 happen. Here we are in 2014 and Prince hasn't had a new album out in going on FOUR years! Peeps here are still complaining!!!!!! rolleyes

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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