BabyImASTAR84 said:

purplesnowlove said:

well, it depends on how u think, i guess..

prince had natural lighter skin color, cuz of the mother,

in the other hand, mj turned to white too sudden..
and yah, he had vitilligo, but we all know that disease can be fixed by treatment..

but, mj choose to be white, and made excuses for his own change..

i think i would intersted with mj, if he'd been more honest, n admit that he changed his color cuz it looked better, instead of playing victim card..

prince father

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mj mother

mj father

VITILIGO IS REAL! I dont give a FUCK if you dont like MJ as an artist . however, you will NOT come at someone who clearly had a disorder. How do you know he wanted to be white? Did he tell you? Don't talk about something and make assumptions if you've NEVER been through it.Its easy to pass judgement on the outside looking in.Being that i know someone with Vitiligo, i know see how it feels to go through it.

No offense, but shouldn't this be in an orgnote? ^^^This has nothing to do with why Prince is the greatest artist of the 80's.

BabyImASTAR84 said:

VITILIGO IS REAL! I dont give a FUCK if you dont like MJ as an artist . however, you will NOT come at someone who clearly had a disorder. How do you know he wanted to be white? Did he tell you? Don't talk about something and make assumptions if you've NEVER been through it.Its easy to pass judgement on the outside looking in.Being that i know someone with Vitiligo, i know see how it feels to go through it.

oops, i didnt say he don't have vitiligo

my question was..

why did he choose to be white, wen he absolutely can be black, by the treatment.. just like the other vitilligo sufferer?

kewlschool said:

BabyImASTAR84 said:

VITILIGO IS REAL! I dont give a FUCK if you dont like MJ as an artist . however, you will NOT come at someone who clearly had a disorder. How do you know he wanted to be white? Did he tell you? Don't talk about something and make assumptions if you've NEVER been through it.Its easy to pass judgement on the outside looking in.Being that i know someone with Vitiligo, i know see how it feels to go through it.

No offense, but shouldn't this be in an orgnote? ^^^This has nothing to do with why Prince is the greatest artist of the 80's.

i think it's interest thing to discuss cuz it's abt natural beautiful artist (prince) vs the product of music industry(mj)..

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purplesnowlove said:

BabyImASTAR84 said:

VITILIGO IS REAL! I dont give a FUCK if you dont like MJ as an artist . however, you will NOT come at someone who clearly had a disorder. How do you know he wanted to be white? Did he tell you? Don't talk about something and make assumptions if you've NEVER been through it.Its easy to pass judgement on the outside looking in.Being that i know someone with Vitiligo, i know see how it feels to go through it.

oops, i didnt say he don't have vitiligo

my question was..

why did he choose to be white, wen he absolutely can be black, by the treatment.. just like the other vitilligo sufferer?

No one would accept him if he had blotches all over his skin. MJ was very insecure so he decided that he would rather even it out then expose it to this judgmental world. At this point they were already calling him gay, talking about his nose jobs, etc. If they would've known then, he'll never be able to live it down. My friend was the same. However, she accepted it and lives without the makeup. it took her YEARS to accept it. As far as the treatment goes, he figured it would be easier to wear makeup then go through do a treatment, especially with him being a busy guy.

1st 10 Reasons

2nd 2 reasons

the movie and World Tour

3rd 13 reasons

OldFriends4Sale said:

1st 10 Reasons

...and there you have it. Debate over.

4th of many reasons

.

These are just a touch of what we know...

1976-1989 outtaks

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Leaving 4 NY, Wouldn't U Love 2 Love Me

She's Just a Baby, Strange Way of Saying Eye Love U,

If I Love U 2night, U, Lisa

Tick Tick Bang, Turn It Up,

Moonbeam Levels, Extralovable, Do Yourself a Favor, Purple Music

Our Destiny, Roadhouse Garden, Traffic Jam, Lust U Always, Feline, Possessed, Electric Intercourse, Manic Monday, Dance Electric, Sugar Walls, Wednesday

Splash, Go, Adonis & Bathsheba, Paladino Pleasure Ride*,

Jerk Out, Make Yo Momma Happy, Wonderful Ass, Empty Room

All My Dream, Others Here With Us, Old Friends 4 Sale, A Wonderful Day, Eternity, Neon Telephone, An Honest Man, U Got 2 Shake Something, Junk Music, Up From Below, Y'All Want Some More? A Couple of Miles, Slaughterhouse, U Just Can't Stop, Run Amok, Mobile, Madrid Breathless, High Calonic, 12 Keys, Voodoo, Who, Finest Whiskey, Groove In C Minor Slow Groove In G Major Groove In G Flat Minor

Crystal Ball, Visions, Dream Factory, Movie Star, Last Heart, Witness 4 the Prosecution(2)

Sexual Suicide, Big Tall Wall, Teacher Teacher, Power Fantastic, In A Large Room With No Light

Train, Data Bank, We Can Funk, Joy In Repetition, Can't Stop This Feeling I Got, Girl O My Dreams, Ball, nevaeH ni ecalP A

Rebirth of the Flesh, Crucial,

the Line, Pink Cashmere, God Is Alive, We've Got the Power, The Voice Inside, Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic, If I Had a Harem, Still Would Stand All Time, Good Judy Girlfriend

17 (Penetratioin), 18 (R U Legal Yet?) Me Touch Myself, Dance with the Devil, Electric Chair,

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the Rebels project

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the Camille Project

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the Flesh Sessions

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the Dream Factory album

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Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic Lovesexy follow up

2elijah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

1st 10 Reasons

...and there you have it. Debate over.

lol what more can be said

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u know what just in case someone has a bit of fight left in them

.

5th Reason

Horny Toad, How Come U DOn't Call Me Anymore, Irresistable Bitch

God (the Dance Electric) God (the Love theme) 17 Days, Erotic City, Another Lonely Christmas

Girl, She's Always In My Hair, Hello

Love or Money Alexis de Paris

La La La He He Hee, Shockadelica

Escape, Scarlet Pussy

kewlschool said:

BabyImASTAR84 said:

VITILIGO IS REAL! I dont give a FUCK if you dont like MJ as an artist . however, you will NOT come at someone who clearly had a disorder. How do you know he wanted to be white? Did he tell you? Don't talk about something and make assumptions if you've NEVER been through it.Its easy to pass judgement on the outside looking in.Being that i know someone with Vitiligo, i know see how it feels to go through it.

No offense, but shouldn't this be in an orgnote? ^^^This has nothing to do with why Prince is the greatest artist of the 80's.

No offense, but according to you shouldn't what you just said have been in an orgnote? I'd say sit back and let the conversation flow or take that to a moderator though, that'd make your day easier

@ BabyI'mAStar84, Great post! you're absolutely right, there's a reason why there are alternative treatments for vitiligo, this skin disorder appears on individuals differently and therefore recommended treatment also depends on the patience's condition. I've seen and read cases of people who had depigmentation all over their body, MJ was not the first nor the last. While I know there are dermatological creams or products that can help even out one's skin color but they tend to be temporary. If the treatment was as simple as "bleaching" one's skin to make it one color, MJ wouldn't have had dark spots left on his face, hands, neck, arms, chest, legs, and pretty much everywhere on his body as countless pictures have clearly shown.

MJ kept his music "safe", at least for a while. Easily approachable and likable, whether it's a feel good tune or a humanitarian song he wanted to spread his messages in. To me it's amazing how Michael just knew how to use the best of his talents and made even rather simple compositions sound so much better than it actually is, with his unique singing and dancing. And I'd say he was a risk taker on his own in terms of trying things that never have been done by others. As his music will forever remain popular and influential, his contribution to the entertainment industry overall will also be up there. And just like how Walt Disney's work is valued and praised, just because Michael wanted his music to be loved by people of all ages including younger crowd, doesn't mean his music was any less important than music created by those who only make art for specifically adults. The creativity and vision he tried to put into videos alone has a huge impact in the industry, for better and worse. No wonder Madonna called MJ her roll model right ?

Agree with so many points you've made about Prince, he didn't seem worried about to whom his music would appeal, good for him. These too just had very different approach to music and art in general, and thank god they did, because how boring the world would've been if everyone was striving to be one thing? So yay for us !!

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OldFriends4Sale said:

1st 10 Reasons

And, you forgot to mention the excellent Batman album:

The Future,

Electric Chair,

Partyman,
Vicky Waiting,

Scandalous,

Batdance.

thedance said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

1st 10 Reasons

And, you forgot to mention the excellent Batman album:

The Future,

Electric Chair,

Partyman,
Vicky Waiting,

Scandalous,

Batdance.

oops, I did put the outtakes on another, there U go added the Batman album

bsides: I Love U In Me, Sex, 200 Balloons, Feel U Up

Emancipation89 said:

Thanks, but like I said, I am not an expert on vitilgo, I only know a bit about it, through a friend who experienced that, as I watched how over a long, period of time, the skin color changes took place, so I will leave it at that, As far as the media, the media wasn't nice to either artist. Both received their fair share of criticism. This is my opinion only, don’t take my opinion that I speak for all. Prince did receive major criticism (some negative/some positive) from the media for his image/appearance/sexually-laced lyrics mixed with religion. Questions about his gender surfaced, and his image played into the curiosity, with his mysterious presence off-stage, which kept the media and fans’ interests. He didn’t talk much, so of course he left that trail of mystery about him, because here was this bold artist, appearing in lingerie, half-naked, makeup, heels, challenging society’s so-called standards/values, and he challenged it all in his music/stage performance/image. So yes, the media was all over him and MJ at various levels.

I remember there were parents around the Purple Rain era, who were not happy with the bold, sexually-explicit, ‘Darling Nikki’ lyrics, and it was Tipper Gore, who I believe who was one who protested hard against that song with others, and if my memory recalls, was one of the individuals responsible for getting the ‘warning label’ for parents on records, (today--including cds). It was no secret Prince has always been a bold artist, not afraid to take things to the edge with his music and image, and challenge some of society’s standards and values, and I believe that part of Prince is what attracted many fans and the media to him, besides his music/talent. He was pretty much the poster-boy for taking things to the edge in the music industry.

MJ

I felt that MJ played it safe. He didn’t use swearing in his music, and did not take his songs to the edge (so-to-speak), not that he had to. He was known for his fantastic dance moves, just like Prince, and it is clear that both artist’s dance moves were influenced by the one and only Godfather of soul, Mr. James Brown. Everybody knew the famous hand to the 3^rd leg sexual gesture, that MJ was famous for, but that’s as far as he went sexually in his dance moves compared to Prince’s. MJ was more known as the ‘King of Pop’, but in my opinion Prince was the ‘King of Rock, Pop, Soul, R&B, Funk, New wave-pop’ and then some, at that time, bringing in the Minneapolis sound with his other associated artists.

MJ made some feel good’ and safe music, as did Prince, but Prince took it over the edge a bit, and that, in and of itself received attention from the media. Thing is, they are both household and famous names in the industry, where both received either negative/positive criticism from the media/fans. It may not have been fair for people and the media to question why MJ decided to have a nose job, or had work done on his eyes or bought a chimp, giraffe and exotic animals and had a zoo in his home surroundings, but it would have been ‘unrealistic’ not to question what was going on with his skin, especially, if no one was aware he had a skin condition, and that’s more than likely why the rumors/speculations started.

MJ was a famous artist whose appearance ‘completely’ changed before the public. Also, sure many were saying he was colorstruck, and it could be because of the people he was often surrounded by and seen with the majority of the time in public . He may have had black females in his vids, but that doesn’t mean he had no color-struck or insecurity issues. Many have said the same thing about Prince, being color-struck, because many have only seen him with non-black females, especially in the 80s, in public, whether that was anybody’s business or not. It may not have been nice or fair for many in the media/fans to question/speculate about either artist, but truth be told, had twitter/fb and other social sites been around, like today, I think the criticism would have been worse. Many people will have their difference of opinions of both artists, just like you and I, but at the end fo the day, regardless of how the media or fans treated or feel about both artists, past or present, both artists have already earned their legendary status, and no one, not even the media or any fan, can take that away from them. Nice chatting with you even if we may have had a difference of opinion on this matter, and I guess I have nothing more to add this topic.

MJ kept his music "safe", at least for a while. Easily approachable and likable, whether it's a feel good tune or a humanitarian song he wanted to spread his messages in. To me it's amazing how Michael just knew how to use the best of his talents and made even rather simple compositions sound so much better than it actually is, with his unique singing and dancing. And I'd say he was a risk taker on his own in terms of trying things that never have been done by others. As his music will forever remain popular and influential, his contribution to the entertainment industry overall will also be up there. And just like how Walt Disney's work is valued and praised, just because Michael wanted his music to be loved by people of all ages including younger crowd, doesn't mean his music was any less important than music created by those who only make art for specifically adults. The creativity and vision he tried to put into videos alone has a huge impact in the industry, for better and worse. No wonder Madonna called MJ her roll model right ?

Agree with so many points you've made about Prince, he didn't seem worried about to whom his music would appeal, good for him. These too just had very different approach to music and art in general, and thank god they did, because how boring the world would've been if everyone was striving to be one thing? So yay for us !!

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(Bolded part) I agree with the bolded part of your post, and so happy I was around during the early part of their careers to experience their talents(yes, proud and older fan here. ) . I have to say there will never be another Prince or MJ. I don't think we'll ever see that kind of excitement in the music industry again. They both had some similar influences, but took those influences and with their creativity, mixed it with their talent, and turned it into a style they can claim as their own. Both Prince and MJ broke the mold and own it. Truth be told, anyone else that tries to duplicate their sound/talent, is just that, a copycat.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

thedance said:

And, you forgot to mention the excellent Batman album:

The Future,

Electric Chair,

Partyman,
Vicky Waiting,

Scandalous,

Batdance.

oops, I did put the outtakes on another, there U go added the Batman album

bsides: I Love U In Me, Sex, 200 Balloons, Feel U Up

^ Great..

and those b-sides, they are really h-o-t as well.

there's plenty of reasons why:


Prince was the greatest artist of the 1980s.

Dude sure churned them out back in the day. Looking at all that above...he was ON!

I hate all the P v MJ crap tho. It's SO old. They both rocked. Prince imo was the most talented guy during that era...but MJ held his own...esp in the beginning of the decade. I also love Springsteen, U2, and REM. It was a great time for music cause you could hear all 5 of those artists on the same radio station. that simply and sadly doesn't happen anymore . Now I am sounding old

BabyImASTAR84 said:

No one would accept him if he had blotches all over his skin. MJ was very insecure so he decided that he would rather even it out then expose it to this judgmental world. At this point they were already calling him gay, talking about his nose jobs, etc. If they would've known then, he'll never be able to live it down. My friend was the same. However, she accepted it and lives without the makeup. it took her YEARS to accept it. As far as the treatment goes, he figured it would be easier to wear makeup then go through do a treatment, especially with him being a busy guy.

really? lol , if ur friend have the same disease, u would know that vitilligo is not a disease that a black can be turn into white in such a short time?

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Poplife88 said:

Dude sure churned them out back in the day. Looking at all that above...he was ON!

I hate all the P v MJ crap tho. It's SO old. They both rocked. Prince imo was the most talented guy during that era...but MJ held his own...esp in the beginning of the decade. I also love Springsteen, U2, and REM. It was a great time for music cause you could hear all 5 of those artists on the same radio station. that simply and sadly doesn't happen anymore . Now I am sounding old

Funny How Time Flies When You're Having Fun lol

so much was happening, so much good stuff that it was like whirlwind

Prince @ the 1985 American Music Awards 1.28.1985

Guys are you serious? You take Prince 8 or so masterpiece/critically acclaimed albums, and bash MJ over his only two albums?! You missed the point here, cuz obviously MJ was greater than Prince BECAAUSE he had an impact with only 2 albums while it took Prince 8 fucking albums to have 1/2 of that impact! It took MJ two fucking albums to let the whole world know how to sing Billie Jean and dance with Thriller, while nobody ever had an idea about Sing O Times or whatever Prince did in the 80's exept the Purple Rain solo (Maybe 10% of people in the world knew about it).

And let me say this: It is not important what you say or Rolling Stone says, We are people, we have ears, we listen to music, if Prince's music was greater people would handpick him as the greatest artist of 80's.. (Like you know, u walk in the street like "Hey man who's the best artist back in the day? Damn sure he'd pick MJ) because MJ's music was better, his voice was better, his videos were better (It's clear as fuck, no gimmicks!). Nobody ever gave a fuck about Prince's authenticity and originality, I mean.. the guy plays (They say) 27 instruments BUT nobody knows that (America, maybe.. but In Morocco here we don't know who the hell is Prince, don't tell me what's wrong with Morocco, the whole arab nation/Many Many countries don't know a shit about Prince) because his music wasn't what EVERYBODY liked, Prince would make it to famous lists and will be forever cited as one of the most greatest musicians of all time but THAT AIN'T MATTER if nobody knows him, and please don't say MJ is only famous because his skin color changed or whatnot, Bob Marley is famous, The Beatles are famous... Because their music lasted for generations and people liked it.

Shawy89 said:

Guys are you serious? You take Prince 8 or so masterpiece/critically acclaimed albums, and bash MJ over his only two albums?! You missed the point here, cuz obviously MJ was greater than Prince BECAAUSE he had an impact with only 2 albums while it took Prince 8 fucking albums to have 1/2 of that impact! It took MJ two fucking albums to let the whole world know how to sing Billie Jean and dance with Thriller, while nobody ever had an idea about Sing O Times or whatever Prince did in the 80's exept the Purple Rain solo (Maybe 10% of people in the world knew about it).

And let me say this: It is not important what you say or Rolling Stone says, We are people, we have ears, we listen to music, if Prince's music was greater people would handpick him as the greatest artist of 80's.. (Like you know, u walk in the street like "Hey man who's the best artist back in the day? Damn sure he'd pick MJ) because MJ's music was better, his voice was better, his videos were better (It's clear as fuck, no gimmicks!). Nobody ever gave a fuck about Prince's authenticity and originality, I mean.. the guy plays (They say) 27 instruments BUT nobody knows that (America, maybe.. but In Morocco here we don't know who the hell is Prince, don't tell me what's wrong with Morocco, the whole arab nation/Many Many countries don't know a shit about Prince) because his music wasn't what EVERYBODY liked, Prince would make it to famous lists and will be forever cited as one of the most greatest musicians of all time but THAT AIN'T MATTER if nobody knows him, and please don't say MJ is only famous because his skin color changed or whatnot, Bob Marley is famous, The Beatles are famous... Because their music lasted for generations and people liked it.

You say the whole arab nation doesn't know Prince? In your country, would they have allowed the sexually-explicit lyrics of Prince's music during the 80s? Would they have allowed the way he presented himself in his stage presence/image, half-naked, as well as his sexual gestures during his performances? See the difference?

I mean I'm sure there's many well-known American artists that many Moroccans are not aware of that are popular around the rest of trhe world, and I'm sure many Americans aren't aware of Morocco's popular artists or those who reside in Arab countries. I don't know much about what your country would accept as far as how musicians/artists present themselves and their music, but I believe because both artists presented their music differently, as well as their stage performances, could be the reason, you state many in your country are not familiar with Prince's music. If many in your country don't know who Prince is, well, it's too bad they missed out. It's never too late though.

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My 10 reasons.....

1. Kiss

2. Purple

3. Trenchcoats

4. Button trousers

6. Lightning seeds

7. Shut up already damn

8. Dearly beloved

9. More holes than a golg course

10. Wendy and Lisa

OldFriends4Sale said:

Poplife88 said:

Dude sure churned them out back in the day. Looking at all that above...he was ON!

I hate all the P v MJ crap tho. It's SO old. They both rocked. Prince imo was the most talented guy during that era...but MJ held his own...esp in the beginning of the decade. I also love Springsteen, U2, and REM. It was a great time for music cause you could hear all 5 of those artists on the same radio station. that simply and sadly doesn't happen anymore . Now I am sounding old

Funny How Time Flies When You're Having Fun lol

so much was happening, so much good stuff that it was like whirlwind

Prince @ the 1985 American Music Awards 1.28.1985

BEST. GIF. EVER

Prince is a better song writer and imo more talented 4 mastering all those intsruments and music styles...also his music style in the 80's truly is alien and therfore is "art" pouring on your ears liek paint on a canvas.....however MJ is a better dancer and is best vocally and can hold high notes like an angel..superbly may i add!........Prince more or less screeches or speeds his vocals up (sorry its true).....MJ is also a better dancer...and was more polished and commercially likable.....he played it safe and made teh music people want 2 hear...as P made music "He" wants 2 hear......also MJ had the greatest music videos ever!....they were visually stunning and like mini-movies...which helped him promote his albums greatly!...prince was a tight ass and all his videos r shit........but 4 the "Music" that cums out my stereo P wins!!

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my 10 reasons

1,he`s sexy

2,he`s sexy

3,he`s sexy

4,he`s sexy

5,he`s sexy

6,he`s sexy

7,he`s sexy

8,he`s sexy

9,he`s sexy

10, he`s so damn sexy

purplesnowlove said:

my 10 reasons

1,he`s sexy

2,he`s sexy

3,he`s sexy

4,he`s sexy

5,he`s sexy

6,he`s sexy

7,he`s sexy

8,he`s sexy

9,he`s sexy

10, he`s so damn sexy

He probably was for the image and the music alone, but Michael and Madonna are right up there for the same reasons. Still I think its possible to love all 3, I have always been in the Prince Zone and and of course I love me some Michael Jackson.

The fact that the only complete album sets I have are those 3 says volumes.

I think Vitiligo is real though and Michael was left with few choices. Its in the Jermaine book, he mentions he had a patch like most of the Jackson brothers, but with Michael it got much worse. That's not to say I defended the rest of his weird surgeries though.

I think its silly bringing race and colour into it, we are all human beings and I did not give a shit in the 80s what colour MJ, Prince or Madonna were, I just loved the music and that was all that mattered.

My little naive token comments for y'all.

When you get 2 America, head 2 Erotic City, go uptown on Alphabet St, go into Paisley Park and the address is 77 Bleaker St.

BabyImASTAR84 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Funny How Time Flies When You're Having Fun lol

so much was happening, so much good stuff that it was like whirlwind

Prince @ the 1985 American Music Awards 1.28.1985

BEST. GIF. EVER

LOVE IT!