dm3857 said:

i hate how we talk about prince and michael like they are a 2 in 1 package deal..

i mean c'mon.. its constantly "michael did this" oh yeah well "prince did that" blah freaking blah!

i mean good lord... michael is the greatest thing to ever happen to pop music.. HE IS THE KING OF POP.. end of discussion..

Prince for the most part is not even pop... so why are we argueing? its like argueing about english in math class... it just doesnt make since!

end of discussion my arse... he was very good at marketing, his songs were pretty shite after On The Wall and he only sounded good cos of Quincy Jones. there are a couple of good songs on thriller but that's it.

He had a sweet voice when he was young and had a job singing on and selling records for Motown.

George Michael has more pop in his left bollock than wacko ever had. so did bloody Take That for christ's sake.

plus he used to get young boys drunk and spend nights alone with them in bed.... fuckinghellfire... does that not worry you?

No mods tonight--apparently.

I think it has nothing at all to do with Prince and more to do with the public in general. There was a time, and I remember it well, that if you listened to Prince you were an oddity. A little bit of a strange person, because his music was so different. You sort of listened to him in a closet. Everyone else was hi on Queen and ACDC and the such.

Then came Purple Rain. For better or worse. It was what is was, and that was a phenom. Who knew people would go ape shit over that movie and the sound track? The album would not have been as big as it was without the movie. No doubt.

Then suddenly, EVERYONE is aware of Prince. But Prince remained to be who he was. NOT Queen or ACDC. Not just a ticket seller and a label kisser.

What if Michael Jordon had worn slave on his cheek while playing ball? What sort of impact would that have on his image? I don't think he would be endorsing shoes. Prince has paid to pay the piper for his decisions also.

so now we are sort of closet listeners like we were before. The closet is just bigger than it was before.

RicoN said:

dm3857 said:

i hate how we talk about prince and michael like they are a 2 in 1 package deal..

i mean c'mon.. its constantly "michael did this" oh yeah well "prince did that" blah freaking blah!

i mean good lord... michael is the greatest thing to ever happen to pop music.. HE IS THE KING OF POP.. end of discussion..

Prince for the most part is not even pop... so why are we argueing? its like argueing about english in math class... it just doesnt make since!

end of discussion my arse... he was very good at marketing, his songs were pretty shite after On The Wall and he only sounded good cos of Quincy Jones. there are a couple of good songs on thriller but that's it.

He had a sweet voice when he was young and had a job singing on and selling records for Motown.

George Michael has more pop in his left bollock than wacko ever had. so did bloody Take That for christ's sake.

plus he used to get young boys drunk and spend nights alone with them in bed.... fuckinghellfire... does that not worry you?

On The Wall? LOL.

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MattyJam said:

RicoN said:

end of discussion my arse... he was very good at marketing, his songs were pretty shite after On The Wall and he only sounded good cos of Quincy Jones. there are a couple of good songs on thriller but that's it.

He had a sweet voice when he was young and had a job singing on and selling records for Motown.

George Michael has more pop in his left bollock than wacko ever had. so did bloody Take That for christ's sake.

plus he used to get young boys drunk and spend nights alone with them in bed.... fuckinghellfire... does that not worry you?

On The Wall? LOL.

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I guess that makes me an Ian Huntley hater then

off the wall / on the wall who gives a fuck?! I find it interesting that that is the only thing that gets your moral compass going....

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RicoN said:

I guess that makes me an Ian Huntley hater then

off the wall / on the wall who gives a fuck?! I find it interesting that that is the only thing that gets your moral compass going....

It must've been a rough couple of years for the Michael Jackson haters, post June 25th 09, with everyone celebrating his genius and recognising what a massive loss his death was to the world of popular music.

I admire your persistance in the face of adversity. Keep strong.

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MattyJam said:

RicoN said:

I guess that makes me an Ian Huntley hater then

off the wall / on the wall who gives a fuck?! I find it interesting that that is the only thing that gets your moral compass going....

It must've been a rough couple of years for the Michael Jackson haters, post June 25th 09, with everyone celebrating his genius and recognising what a massive loss his death was to the world of popular music.

I admire your persistance in the face of adversity. Keep strong.

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as I said I don't hate him, I found his behaviour morally reprehensible. I find the fact you ignore his behavior utterly bizarre and a bit scary.

But he's dead now so at least he can't abuse any more children. Which is a good thing

RicoN said:

MattyJam said:

It must've been a rough couple of years for the Michael Jackson haters, post June 25th 09, with everyone celebrating his genius and recognising what a massive loss his death was to the world of popular music.

I admire your persistance in the face of adversity. Keep strong.

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as I said I don't hate him, I found his behaviour morally reprehensible. I find the fact you ignore his behavior utterly bizarre and a bit scary.

But he's dead now so at least he can't abuse any more children. Which is a good thing

What's utterly bizarre and a bit scary is that you WANT MJ to have abused children to justify your blatant hatred of the man. Because if you were basing it on the facts available, then there is no way you would come to that conclusion, as a jury of 12 people concluded back in 2005.

RicoN - I've been reading through this thread and it seems to me you have nothing BUT hatred for Michael Jackson.

I find it so upsetting that after being put through a major US trial and being found not-guilty, Michael Jackson is still being judged and treated by some as a criminal.

It is clear to anybody who followed the allegations that the people making those claims were following their noses all the way to the bank.

RicoN - If you think you know more inside information than the court of law who studied and trialed Michael Jackson's case, then maybe you should contact the law enforcements. You think you clearly know more than information those jurors who had full access to all testimonies and evidence.

Give the man a break. Yes, he is dead now - so no matter whether you want to believe he is guilty or not, no good can come from dragging his name through the mud again and again.

Can't the mods delete this thread???

*Double post**

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Prince is King of his own domain.

Fiona01 said:

RicoN - I've been reading through this thread and it seems to me you have nothing BUT hatred for Michael Jackson.

I find it so upsetting that after being put through a major US trial and being found not-guilty, Michael Jackson is still being judged and treated by some as a criminal.

It is clear to anybody who followed the allegations that the people making those claims were following their noses all the way to the bank.

RicoN - If you think you know more inside information than the court of law who studied and trialed Michael Jackson's case, then maybe you should contact the law enforcements. You think you clearly know more than information those jurors who had full access to all testimonies and evidence.

Give the man a break. Yes, he is dead now - so no matter whether you want to believe he is guilty or not, no good can come from dragging his name through the mud again and again.

Can't the mods delete this thread???

Why delete it? Just because the anti Michael Jackson sentiment? please.

Why delete it?

Well, mainly because this whole topic is now a heavy Michael Jackson discussion thread in a "Prince Music and More" section. Secondly, talk of paedophilia and arguments about MJ's sexual behaviour don't really fit into the Prince section, in my opinion. Nor in any musical discussion, for that matter.

What I find to be quite dichotomous is that Prince has all the respect in the world for Michael, and yet his fans can't even show the proper fucking respect.

You make me sick.

Fiona01 said:

Why delete it?

Well, mainly because this whole topic is now a heavy Michael Jackson discussion thread in a "Prince Music and More" section. Secondly, talk of paedophilia and arguments about MJ's sexual behaviour don't really fit into the Prince section, in my opinion. Nor in any musical discussion, for that matter.

Lots of threads get derailed into associated subject matter. Why cant we all stop being pussies for once in 2011 and let the chips fall where they may, letting the denizens put it back on track in an adult,organic, natural way? I mean there's posts and posts degrading Prince in every conceivable way and even talking about off limts shit regarding his children, family and such, but yall dont say boo about that. Now some deragatory statements or scathing criticisms come about regarding Michael Jakcson and yall begin to cry foul. Get the entire fuck out of her with that bullshit.

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ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

What I find to be quite dichotomous is that Prince has all the respect in the world for Michael, and yet his fans can't even show the proper fucking respect.

You make me sick.

Dont take a few critics about his arguable dubious behavior cloud an entrie community regarding your hero. I will also be looking forward to your comments whenever criticsms regarding Prince come up in the future.

rdhull said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

What I find to be quite dichotomous is that Prince has all the respect in the world for Michael, and yet his fans can't even show the proper fucking respect.

You make me sick.

Dont take a few critics about his arguable dubious behavior cloud an entrie community regarding your hero. I will also be looking forward to your comments whenever criticsms regarding Prince come up in the future.

Noted. FYI, I have nothing but respect for Prince, and i have no problem saying I'm his fan. I just wonder sometimes why the feeling cannot be mutual with Prince fans. I mean, I can understand if you're not a fan of the music or even the man himself, but showing respect does not take away from your character or your "fandom".

But what I'm tryna say is...this is a thread about Prince. How in the world did we begin talking about MJ and his life? I swear this whole "Prince vs. MJ" thing is old beyond belief. And if people still believe in it, then you just told everyone how old you are. Just sayin'...

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

rdhull said:

Dont take a few critics about his arguable dubious behavior cloud an entrie community regarding your hero. I will also be looking forward to your comments whenever criticsms regarding Prince come up in the future.

Noted. FYI, I have nothing but respect for Prince, and i have no problem saying I'm his fan. I just wonder sometimes why the feeling cannot be mutual with Prince fans. I mean, I can understand if you're not a fan of the music or even the man himself, but showing respect does not take away from your character or your "fandom".

But what I'm tryna say is...this is a thread about Prince. How in the world did we begin talking about MJ and his life? I swear this whole "Prince vs. MJ" thing is old beyond belief. And if people still believe in it, then you just told everyone how old you are. Just sayin'...

I understand all lof that. But what I meant is tto ask "have you stated your disgust when Prince gets "disrespected" on posts here?" Folks have said much worse about him than whats being said about Michael Jackson on this thread.

Why threads in general get derailed? Well, generally, the majority of the denizens here love to cater down to tabloid type of content and such. You do realize that this is a forum of grown adults who post all day everyday on here, right? That isn't exactly the creme de la creme of a society.

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RicoN said:

MattyJam said:

It must've been a rough couple of years for the Michael Jackson haters, post June 25th 09, with everyone celebrating his genius and recognising what a massive loss his death was to the world of popular music.

I admire your persistance in the face of adversity. Keep strong.

[Edited 12/2/11 5:29am]

as I said I don't hate him, I found his behaviour morally reprehensible. I find the fact you ignore his behavior utterly bizarre and a bit scary.

But he's dead now so at least he can't abuse any more children. Which is a good thing

The ramblings of an uneducated, sadly-biased mind. As if your unfounded belief that Michael hurt children will make Prince a bigger idol or icon to more people. Make him the "King" you envision him to be.

Judging someone based on what you percieve they are (or were), does not determine who they are. It determines what you are.

This is how I view the both of them. And this is my final say on the matter.

Thank you and goodnight.

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

RicoN said:

as I said I don't hate him, I found his behaviour morally reprehensible. I find the fact you ignore his behavior utterly bizarre and a bit scary.

But he's dead now so at least he can't abuse any more children. Which is a good thing

The ramblings of an uneducated, sadly-biased mind. As if your unfounded belief that Michael hurt children will make Prince a bigger idol or icon to more people. Make him the "King" you envision him to be.

Judging someone based on what you percieve they are (or were), does not determine who they are. It determines what you are.

This is how I view the both of them. And this is my final say on the matter.

Thank you and goodnight.

In that picture Prince is thinking/determining his professional strategy while Michael is thinking of which child to have sleep over.

KIDDING

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electricberet said:

Not every Prince becomes a King. He could become a Duke, like Duke Ellington or the Grand Duke of Luxembourg.

Its in the of the BEHOLDHER. A King by what measurement or law? What says u? A Prince destined to be King........well it very well could be.

rdhull said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Noted. FYI, I have nothing but respect for Prince, and i have no problem saying I'm his fan. I just wonder sometimes why the feeling cannot be mutual with Prince fans. I mean, I can understand if you're not a fan of the music or even the man himself, but showing respect does not take away from your character or your "fandom".

But what I'm tryna say is...this is a thread about Prince. How in the world did we begin talking about MJ and his life? I swear this whole "Prince vs. MJ" thing is old beyond belief. And if people still believe in it, then you just told everyone how old you are. Just sayin'...

I understand all lof that. But what I meant is tto ask "have you stated your disgust when Prince gets "disrespected" on posts here?" Folks have said much worse about him than whats being said about Michael Jackson on this thread.

Why threads in general get derailed? Well, generally, the majority of the denizens here love to cater down to tabloid type of content and such. You do realize that this is a forum of grown adults who post all day everyday on here, right? That isn't exactly the creme de la creme of a society.

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I mostly hang out on GD, but whenever someone badmouthes Prince, I do stand up for the Purple One. No doubt.

But the reason I don't express much disgust is...the MJ fans I know love Prince too.

Threads get derailed because people like tangents I guess. I personally would like to have a decent, intelligent conversation as to why or why not Prince is not as "big" or as "recognized" as he should be without any MJ bashing (or bashing of other artists for that matter). The music should speak for itself.

And your answer to my picture post is just plain rude. Really...

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

rdhull said:

I understand all lof that. But what I meant is tto ask "have you stated your disgust when Prince gets "disrespected" on posts here?" Folks have said much worse about him than whats being said about Michael Jackson on this thread.

Why threads in general get derailed? Well, generally, the majority of the denizens here love to cater down to tabloid type of content and such. You do realize that this is a forum of grown adults who post all day everyday on here, right? That isn't exactly the creme de la creme of a society.

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[Edited 12/2/11 10:53am]

I mostly hang out on GD, but whenever someone badmouthes Prince, I do stand up for the Purple One. No doubt.

But the reason I don't express much disgust is...the MJ fans I know love Prince too.

Threads get derailed because people like tangents I guess. I personally would like to have a decent, intelligent conversation as to why or why not Prince is not as "big" or as "recognized" as he should be without any MJ bashing (or bashing of other artists for that matter). The music should speak for itself.

And your answer to my picture post is just plain rude. Really...

welcome to rock n roll

rdhull said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

I mostly hang out on GD, but whenever someone badmouthes Prince, I do stand up for the Purple One. No doubt.

But the reason I don't express much disgust is...the MJ fans I know love Prince too.

Threads get derailed because people like tangents I guess. I personally would like to have a decent, intelligent conversation as to why or why not Prince is not as "big" or as "recognized" as he should be without any MJ bashing (or bashing of other artists for that matter). The music should speak for itself.

And your answer to my picture post is just plain rude. Really...

welcome to rock n roll

Sorry boo...