"You wander the wilderness

Searching for a king

Will you settle for a prince

And a sea of everything?"

The only reason, there is only one King : Elvis

^ Hey I once got banned for posting this pic.

believe it or not - this is a pic that Prince don't wanna see here, or else... trouble...

I believe a mod will remove it soooon.

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Question:

is that "Prince & Elvis shaking hands" pic legal to post again?

If so, am I able then to post a bigger version from the good old Housequake.com site...

KICKDRUMZ said:

While watching Micheal Jackson's " THIS IS IT!" for the two hundredth time, I was brought to the thought again of how much he's missed and how much of a dynasty he's left behind, now don't get it twisted, im a Prince fan to the bone, he's the reason im a musician today, but I can't help but wonder what separated him from the ranks of Elvis, M.J., Jimi Hendrix and maybe even James Brown as far as impact. Is because of is attitude, his reclusiveness or other matters? So the question is with someone so talented and different and a trailblazer/ pioneer Why has'nt Prince became a King to the likes of other outside of ourselves. If he died tomorrow would he be missed like Elvis or M.J. or would they talk about him for a few days on TMZ or Entertainment Tonight or Access Hollywood then move on to Kim Ho-dashian life and exploits as always.

I think its comes down to he lives off his talent and not gimmicks. He can careless to be a "celebrity". He had a chance twice in his career to milk ( a moment ) or (an album) with Purple Rain & Musicology.

Both times the mainstream was really watching and he wanted he could have done a world tour and milk both projects/moments for years. But he isn't that kinda guy! He is always looking to not be a sell-out! He never gives the media a chance to get their claws out and slam him. Nothing sticks! He is way to in control!

The list you made of examples are hard to pinpoint because if you don't die young they can't do the "what if" factor to everything, when we know it was over.. but the public will always pretend there was more to come.

Hendrix in the mid-70's would he be doing Disco Albums? Yes No one wants to say that. Hendrix is overrated, he is good but people focus so closely in that moment at 25-27 years old. Eric Clapton was great then and now sucks. Which tells you more about how amazing Prince is...

Elvis was pretty much over and gone with drugs, the voice was there but wow at 42 he was really used up.

MJ samething, he was lucky he died when he did or he would have been exposed in those concerts like Whitney Houston was in 2010-2011. All the hype of you memory, but the truth was the truth.

James Brown, now he is a legend anyone that is in the business that long, for many levels of a career high and low but he is still performing in his 70's! Everyone is famous in their 20's, its what you after that!

Prince will be more on the level of James Brown & Sammy Davis Jr. If Prince doesnt die young and keeps playing in his 70's people will give him that Legend Respect.

He's never had a HUGE chart-dominating album outside of Purple Rain. Sure he's had #1 hits here and there, but never multiple from the same album (for the most part). Musically challenging his audience right after Purple Rain took a hit on his commericialbility? Not to say that it wasn't a good thing because ATWIAD and Parade are good albums, but in terms of comparison to the other guys you mentioned outside of Hendrix, he's no hit machine. That's before getting into Lovesexy and the 90s.

MajesticOne89 said:

He's never had a HUGE chart-dominating album outside of Purple Rain. Sure he's had #1 hits here and there, but never multiple from the same album (for the most part). Musically challenging his audience right after Purple Rain took a hit on his commericialbility? Not to say that it wasn't a good thing because ATWIAD and Parade are good albums, but in terms of comparison to the other guys you mentioned outside of Hendrix, he's no hit machine. That's before getting into Lovesexy and the 90s.

Excuse me! U never heard of the double platinum album Diamonds & Pearls & the triple platinum Batman soundtrack?

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

MajesticOne89 said:

He's never had a HUGE chart-dominating album outside of Purple Rain. Sure he's had #1 hits here and there, but never multiple from the same album (for the most part). Musically challenging his audience right after Purple Rain took a hit on his commericialbility? Not to say that it wasn't a good thing because ATWIAD and Parade are good albums, but in terms of comparison to the other guys you mentioned outside of Hendrix, he's no hit machine. That's before getting into Lovesexy and the 90s.

Excuse me! U never heard of the double platinum album Diamonds & Pearls & the triple platinum Batman soundtrack?

Haha, that's why I said for the most part in parentheses! They were hits, but they weren't like MJ "Bad" huge which was what I meant. I just feel that the combination of listener-challenging, daring music with bad marketing/promotion decisions prevented him from being a HUGE seller which is why, outside of Purple Rain, he isn't as big as he could've been. But that's fine because he seems to be doing alright.

ElectricBlue said:

MJ samething, he was lucky he died when he did or he would have been exposed in those concerts like Whitney Houston was in 2010-2011. All the hype of you memory, but the truth was the truth.

not true one bit! im sorry, but no.. if the This Is It concerts would have happened they would have been spectacular! so no the truth would have been a 50 year old man performing better than any of the so called "entertainers" in the industry today.

and to compare whitney houstons present performances to michaels is the most RIDICULOUS thing i have ever heard.. have you not watched whitney lately... (dont get me wrong, i love me some whitney houston but c'mon...)

RicoN said:

MJ was a business, he was just an above average song and dance man who surounded himself with the right people. HE then proclaimed himself King. (Quite laughably really)

Michael NEVER "proclaimed" himself as a king? EVER.. he never once said that he was the king of pop... thats the name the world gave him... so your sadly mistaken (Quite laughable really)

MajesticOne89 said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Excuse me! U never heard of the double platinum album Diamonds & Pearls & the triple platinum Batman soundtrack?

Haha, that's why I said for the most part in parentheses! They were hits, but they weren't like MJ "Bad" huge which was what I meant. I just feel that the combination of listener-challenging, daring music with bad marketing/promotion decisions prevented him from being a HUGE seller which is why, outside of Purple Rain, he isn't as big as he could've been. But that's fine because he seems to be doing alright.

Ok Ur excused my purple follower

Hunh?!

It's a shame that many, not all, Prince fans who complain that he doesn't get the respect he deserves are quick to do the same to other artists, namely Michael Jackson.

I think trying to compare them is a futile exercise as both are amazing artists in their own rights, and both influenced and inspired each other as they have many other artists.

The question is why isn't Prince considered a KING - the truth is he doesn't need to be - he is PRINCE. The king titles are often just hype tags to embew the artist with respect, the same way Prince is often called The Purple One or His Royal Badness (I'm not even going near Prince's self-proclaimed Purple Yoda moniker) - it's just a media hook to get attention and sell.

Prince these days seems more than satisfied with his place in music history and the respect he receives. He obviously still likes playing the hype game himself but seems happy to enjoy his role rather than worry about meaningless titles - perhaps we should all do the same.

dm3857 said:

RicoN said:

MJ was a business, he was just an above average song and dance man who surounded himself with the right people. HE then proclaimed himself King. (Quite laughably really)

Michael NEVER "proclaimed" himself as a king? EVER.. he never once said that he was the king of pop... thats the name the world gave him... so your sadly mistaken (Quite laughable really)

when you say world do you mean the Sony marketing department?

RicoN said:

dm3857 said:

Michael NEVER "proclaimed" himself as a king? EVER.. he never once said that he was the king of pop... thats the name the world gave him... so your sadly mistaken (Quite laughable really)

when you say world do you mean the Sony marketing department?

Here is the history of the "King of Pop" title.

In 1983 Michael was referred to by many press as the Prince of Pop.

in 1984 a coverstory of Rock & Soul magazine called him the King of Pop, Rock & Soul.

During the 1987-88 Bad world tour fans started displaying signs with King of Pop, and King of Pop, Rock & Soul on it.

In 1989 at the Soul Train award Elizabeth called him the "true King of pop, rock and soul".

At the time of Dangerous (1991) MJ's management and PR team ran with "King of Pop" title and plastered it all over press releases. Whilst MTV ran with the title when broadcasting Black or White, Kurt Loder dubbed him the self-proclaimed King of Pop, and the press ran with it.

There is no denying that MJ welcomed this title, and no denying Sony loved marketing him as such. Equally there is no denying that initially ordained by fans the PR machine ran with it, either way the title was warranted.

At the end of the day it's all hype - the same way Prince has toured several times under the guise of "last time I'm playing the hits" - it's all hype and marketing to draw attention to a new product or tour.

Swa said:

RicoN said:

when you say world do you mean the Sony marketing department?

Here is the history of the "King of Pop" title.

In 1983 Michael was referred to by many press as the Prince of Pop.

in 1984 a coverstory of Rock & Soul magazine called him the King of Pop, Rock & Soul.

During the 1987-88 Bad world tour fans started displaying signs with King of Pop, and King of Pop, Rock & Soul on it.

In 1989 at the Soul Train award Elizabeth called him the "true King of pop, rock and soul".

At the time of Dangerous (1991) MJ's management and PR team ran with "King of Pop" title and plastered it all over press releases. Whilst MTV ran with the title when broadcasting Black or White, Kurt Loder dubbed him the self-proclaimed King of Pop, and the press ran with it.

There is no denying that MJ welcomed this title, and no denying Sony loved marketing him as such. Equally there is no denying that initially ordained by fans the PR machine ran with it, either way the title was warranted.

At the end of the day it's all hype - the same way Prince has toured several times under the guise of "last time I'm playing the hits" - it's all hype and marketing to draw attention to a new product or tour.

The title wasn't warranted at all.

Who wrote Liz Taylor's script for her? and fans holding signs up usually tend to be the ones who's opinions aren't worth they cardboard they are written on!

if I proclaim him the King of Paedos does it make him so?

Because, like it or not, MJ and Elvis were more innovative, Elvis as a showman and MJ as a music video pioneer.

Prince is a phenominal musician, but he didn't exactly revolutionise the industry the way Elvis or MJ did.

RicoN said:

The title wasn't warranted at all.

Who wrote Liz Taylor's script for her? and fans holding signs up usually tend to be the ones who's opinions aren't worth they cardboard they are written on!

if I proclaim him the King of Paedos does it make him so?

Do not behave so childishly.

I have read some articles about MJ 1984 -1985 period, he was constantly called King of Pop, so Elisabeth just cemented formally known fact.
In addition, I do not like these silly titles, but they do exist. Live with it!!

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Prince stans can give Justin Bieber tweens a run for their money at times...

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Fiona01 said:

Prince stans can give Justin Bieber tweens a run for their money at times...

[Edited 11/30/11 6:17am]

what does that mean in English Fiona?

LiLi1992 said:

RicoN said:

The title wasn't warranted at all.

Who wrote Liz Taylor's script for her? and fans holding signs up usually tend to be the ones who's opinions aren't worth they cardboard they are written on!

if I proclaim him the King of Paedos does it make him so?

Do not behave so childishly.

I have read some articles about MJ 1984 -1985 period, he was constantly called King of Pop, so Elisabeth just cemented formally known fact.
In addition, I do not like these silly titles, but they do exist. Live with it!!

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It's the fact that he (as in his marketing company) used it himself that means you can call him self proclaimed. What does the King of Pop mean for fuck's sake anyway?

er.... what fact? you're having a giraffe duck.

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RicoN said:

Fiona01 said:

Prince stans can give Justin Bieber tweens a run for their money at times...

[Edited 11/30/11 6:17am]

what does that mean in English Fiona?

It means it's quite amusing to watch a forum of people in their mid to late thirties resorting to outbursts of name calling in their efforts to defend their favourite popstar.

RicoN said:

LiLi1992 said:

Do not behave so childishly.

I have read some articles about MJ 1984 -1985 period, he was constantly called King of Pop, so Elisabeth just cemented formally known fact.
In addition, I do not like these silly titles, but they do exist. Live with it!!

[Edited 11/30/11 6:00am]

It's the fact that he (as in his marketing company) used it himself that means you can call him self proclaimed. What does the King of Pop mean for fuck's sake anyway?

er.... what fact? you're having a giraffe duck.

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It's just a title, and stupid.
Do I believe that Jackson is the most obvious contender for the title of King of Pop?? Obviously, yes. He is the most popular and successful pop artist ever.
Am I seriously for titles?? Hell, no ...
We have 9 Queens of Pop.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorific_nicknames_in_popular_music

How can we take seriously such things?

Swa said:

RicoN said:

when you say world do you mean the Sony marketing department?

Here is the history of the "King of Pop" title.

In 1983 Michael was referred to by many press as the Prince of Pop.

in 1984 a coverstory of Rock & Soul magazine called him the King of Pop, Rock & Soul.

During the 1987-88 Bad world tour fans started displaying signs with King of Pop, and King of Pop, Rock & Soul on it.

In 1989 at the Soul Train award Elizabeth called him the "true King of pop, rock and soul".

At the time of Dangerous (1991) MJ's management and PR team ran with "King of Pop" title and plastered it all over press releases. Whilst MTV ran with the title when broadcasting Black or White, Kurt Loder dubbed him the self-proclaimed King of Pop, and the press ran with it.

There is no denying that MJ welcomed this title, and no denying Sony loved marketing him as such. Equally there is no denying that initially ordained by fans the PR machine ran with it, either way the title was warranted.

At the end of the day it's all hype - the same way Prince has toured several times under the guise of "last time I'm playing the hits" - it's all hype and marketing to draw attention to a new product or tour.

Nice story. And I agree though. But I never got the entire ''true king of pop rock and soul'' thing from Elizabeth... Michael is just pure pop.

I like you LiLi