While watching Micheal Jackson's " THIS IS IT!" for the two hundredth time, I was brought to the thought again of how much he's missed and how much of a dynasty he's left behind, now don't get it twisted, im a Prince fan to the bone, he's the reason im a musician today, but I can't help but wonder what separated him from the ranks of Elvis, M.J., Jimi Hendrix and maybe even James Brown as far as impact. Is because of is attitude, his reclusiveness or other matters? So the question is with someone so talented and different and a trailblazer/ pioneer Why has'nt Prince became a King to the likes of other outside of ourselves. If he died tomorrow would he be missed like Elvis or M.J. or would they talk about him for a few days on TMZ or Entertainment Tonight or Access Hollywood then move on to Kim Ho-dashian life and exploits as always.

Not every Prince becomes a King. He could become a Duke, like Duke Ellington or the Grand Duke of Luxembourg.

KICKDRUMZ said:

While watching Micheal Jackson's " THIS IS IT!" for the two hundredth time, I was brought to the thought again of how much he's missed and how much of a dynasty he's left behind, now don't get it twisted, im a Prince fan to the bone, he's the reason im a musician today, but I can't help but wonder what separated him from the ranks of Elvis, M.J., Jimi Hendrix and maybe even James Brown as far as impact. Is because of is attitude, his reclusiveness or other matters? So the question is with someone so talented and different and a trailblazer/ pioneer Why has'nt Prince became a King to the likes of other outside of ourselves. If he died tomorrow would he be missed like Elvis or M.J. or would they talk about him for a few days on TMZ or Entertainment Tonight or Access Hollywood then move on to Kim Ho-dashian life and exploits as always.

How can you say he hasn't had any impact? There's been many an artist copying his style. Off the dome: Dangelo, Timberlake, Diddy, Van Hunt, Maroon 5, Britney Spears ...and in the 80's a hell of a lot more. In the past decade, it seems like he has garnered the appreciation that sums of his ethic, style, sound, and drive. Everyone in the biz knows of his impact and repsects it. He just isnt dead like Elvis (pun intended).

Hell...he made you become a musician...you didn't become an 'entertainer" or a "singer/dancer"

Now of course his impact is not as big as MJ or JB. But it isnt like he is going to be some page 6 blurb.

He's both a prince and king in his own league imho

his name. duh.

2 whom it may concern, u must come 2 ya senses...there r no kings on this earth, only Princes

Because for better or worse, Prince doesn't sit on his ass for 5 years between records.

NouveauDance said:

Because for better or worse, Prince doesn't sit on his ass for 5 years between records.

Because he's seen the top and it's just a dream, because the women and fancy clothes will save your fate but they won't save your soul.

[Edited 11/27/11 3:25am]

Oh that's easy! The answer is PRINCE and his INSECURITIES!

Prince is SEVERELY INSECURE like a motherfucker! ALWAYS has been!

We're talking about someone that essentially maneuvered his way to the top of the entertainment industry by laying his own path, from the beginning and has remained virtually unscathed, to this very day!

Just take a moment and seriously think about it. In Prince's 30+ years of doing that, the VAST majority of his scars have been self-inflicted. Because of his INSECURITIES!

Exactly what those are and why he's let them keep from being all that he could and should be? I've come to finally realize and accept...I haven't a motherfucking clue and neither does he!

[Edited 11/27/11 3:57am]

prince will never escape his old image. people continue to think hes a vapid talentless song and dance man



edit: everyone still thinks he might be gay

[Edited 11/27/11 3:58am]

NouveauDance said:

Because for better or worse, Prince doesn't sit on his ass for 5 years between records.

Well, of course Prince has A LOT of impact. I think he influenced many, many artists/musicians from nowadays. I can clearly see his influence everywhere.

And he isn't a king.. he is just PRINCE. and that's makes him more unique than anyone else.

[Edited 11/27/11 4:03am]

He dose not need to be a king as he is a child of God.

onelap said:

He dose not need to be a king as he is a child of God.

*vomit*

Im knock trying to knock him or anything people, please believe that, the lame responses ive seen like, "like their r no KINGS ON THIS EARTH ONLY PRINCES" really?? I just think that some of his decisions and attitude are things that R self made things that stopped him. And also because he lives on his own man made island for the last century, and doing the math he's had more negative PR than positive..in short being a Asshole 90% of the time hurts u after awhile( a few of them, not doing We R The World, dissing Quincy Jones twice, not working with Micheal Jackson, oh. and the Guitar Hero thang so the younger crowd could get too know him)...im just saying.

It seems he's opening up lately. Maybe Andy has a positive effect on him in that way?

I can find footage a the youknowwhatandwedon'tspeakofitoverhere of some of his shows and people are posting it on fb, without it getting removed.

Maybe he now uses it as the great marketinginstrument it is, eventhough he's still against it in his heart?

And he does his duty on interviews when he's performing. I really like his Candadian interviews. And his solution to print interviews by using email. In that way he can actually elaborate on his responses and avoid dramas like last summer with the British & French interpretation of his words.

I think Prince is well respected all over the world in the music industry. And not all people get his music or understand that you have to look for the diamonds in his vast bundle of work yourself.

It doesn't matter really, does it? When you like Prince, you can enjoy his music. Go to see him perform and be happy with that. Who cares if the rest of the world likes Prince or gives him some status?

Status is very fragile. When you define yourself by the status that the outside world imputes, you come undone when the outside world somehow withdraws your status. Better make sure your soul is allright. That will get you through life much more peaceful than hunting for some artificial status by the standards of random outsiders.

And you only can become royal by birth. Not by talent. So, why would he want to be a royal while he has his talent he can work with?

Prince is more interesting than a a King. He is a living legend. A MUSICIAN, not just some fucking entertainer dancing away and lypsiching on stage.

He is too good to be just a tabloids Star.

Btw JH is not a King. Only Elvis and MJ have been considered so. MJ was more focused on fame than music unfortunately.

KICKDRUMZ said:

Im knock trying to knock him or anything people, please believe that, the lame responses ive seen like, "like their r no KINGS ON THIS EARTH ONLY PRINCES" really?? I just think that some of his decisions and attitude are things that R self made things that stopped him. And also because he lives on his own man made island for the last century, and doing the math he's had more negative PR than positive..in short being a Asshole 90% of the time hurts u after awhile( a few of them, not doing We R The World, dissing Quincy Jones twice, not working with Micheal Jackson, oh. and the Guitar Hero thang so the younger crowd could get too know him)...im just saying.

So doing We R The World (in which he did contribute), being Quincy's 'friend', doing Bad, and being part of a video game would "make him a king"?

I think you are failing to see the things of merit that make him already a respected musician as much as James, MJ, and Elvis.

And you ARE trying to "knock him." You're just using a veiled manner (and terrible at it).

Let's not forget that a king is raised to make a worldwide acceptable social performanc, sensitive to all cultural and religious differences and have the best interest of the people in mind, not his own. Serving his people.

Not every king can make that upbringing true and sure Prince can't. He would be such a lousy king. We all would have to do and think what he wants us to. And we all would have to be Jehova witnesses. And think about the censorship he probably would impose on his people.

No, I really think the world is better of with Prince being a musician and not responsible for any politics or social rulings.

Really.

Just imagine Prince being the king of some country.

dJJ said:

Let's not forget that a king is raised to make a worldwide acceptable social performanc, sensitive to all cultural and religious differences and have the best interest of the people in mind, not his own. Serving his people.

Not every king can make that upbringing true and sure Prince can't. He would be such a lousy king. We all would have to do and think what he wants us to. And we all would have to be Jehova witnesses. And think about the censorship he probably would impose on his people.

No, I really think the world is better of with Prince being a musician and not responsible for any politics or social rulings.

Really.

Just imagine Prince being the king of some country.

Elvis, JB, and MJ were't any kings or better either. Drug addled, crack/food addicts at times, fugitives from the police, dubious court hearings of character, etc etc. I mean realllllly now. Prince didn't have any of thiose issues and this joker here is "not knocking" Prince but criticizing him for not partaking on some 1980's bullshit, video games etc all the while heralding those other fools?

Some Prince fans are assbackwards as all hell lol.

rdhull said:

dJJ said:

Let's not forget that a king is raised to make a worldwide acceptable social performanc, sensitive to all cultural and religious differences and have the best interest of the people in mind, not his own. Serving his people.

Not every king can make that upbringing true and sure Prince can't. He would be such a lousy king. We all would have to do and think what he wants us to. And we all would have to be Jehova witnesses. And think about the censorship he probably would impose on his people.

No, I really think the world is better of with Prince being a musician and not responsible for any politics or social rulings.

Really.

Just imagine Prince being the king of some country.

Elvis, JB, and MJ were't any kings or better either. Drug addled, crack/food addicts at times, fugitives from the police, dubious court hearings of character, etc etc. I mean realllllly now. Prince didn't have any of thiose issues and this joker here is "not knocking" Prince but criticizing him for not partaking on some 1980's bullshit, video games etc all the while heralding those other fools?

Some Prince fans are assbackwards as all hell lol.

Yeah. P is know for worse actions than that. Stories about him not treating friends and staff right. Not being respectful to loved ones is worse than not participating in joint fund raising.

rdhull said:

KICKDRUMZ said:

While watching Micheal Jackson's " THIS IS IT!" for the two hundredth time, I was brought to the thought again of how much he's missed and how much of a dynasty he's left behind, now don't get it twisted, im a Prince fan to the bone, he's the reason im a musician today, but I can't help but wonder what separated him from the ranks of Elvis, M.J., Jimi Hendrix and maybe even James Brown as far as impact. Is because of is attitude, his reclusiveness or other matters? So the question is with someone so talented and different and a trailblazer/ pioneer Why has'nt Prince became a King to the likes of other outside of ourselves. If he died tomorrow would he be missed like Elvis or M.J. or would they talk about him for a few days on TMZ or Entertainment Tonight or Access Hollywood then move on to Kim Ho-dashian life and exploits as always.

How can you say he hasn't had any impact? There's been many an artist copying his style. Off the dome: Dangelo, Timberlake, Diddy, Van Hunt, Maroon 5, Britney Spears ...and in the 80's a hell of a lot more. In the past decade, it seems like he has garnered the appreciation that sums of his ethic, style, sound, and drive. Everyone in the biz knows of his impact and repsects it. He just isnt dead like Elvis (pun intended).

Hell...he made you become a musician...you didn't become an 'entertainer" or a "singer/dancer"

Now of course his impact is not as big as MJ or JB. But it isnt like he is going to be some page 6 blurb.

dJJ said:

rdhull said:

Elvis, JB, and MJ were't any kings or better either. Drug addled, crack/food addicts at times, fugitives from the police, dubious court hearings of character, etc etc. I mean realllllly now. Prince didn't have any of thiose issues and this joker here is "not knocking" Prince but criticizing him for not partaking on some 1980's bullshit, video games etc all the while heralding those other fools?

Some Prince fans are assbackwards as all hell lol.

Yeah. P is know for worse actions than that. Stories about him not treating friends and staff right. Not being respectful to loved ones is worse than not participating in joint fund raising.

Im not sure if you are being serious or ironic/sarcastic lol..but if so, Prince has HIRED his family and friends and gave them careers and put non talent freinds on his payroll. Way before Hammer put his whole city on his lol.

Of course Prince is a boss and not just a pal so yes there are going to be some relationship issues between freind/employer and employee. But lets not disregard the initial altristic gestures.

btw yall are crazy if you think JB, MJ, and Elvis weren't assholes

Prince matters 2 the people that count.

Dig?

KICKDRUMZ said:

While watching Micheal Jackson's " THIS IS IT!" for the two hundredth time, I was brought to the thought again of how much he's missed and how much of a dynasty he's left behind, now don't get it twisted, im a Prince fan to the bone, he's the reason im a musician today, but I can't help but wonder what separated him from the ranks of Elvis, M.J., Jimi Hendrix and maybe even James Brown as far as impact. Is because of is attitude, his reclusiveness or other matters? So the question is with someone so talented and different and a trailblazer/ pioneer Why has'nt Prince became a King to the likes of other outside of ourselves. If he died tomorrow would he be missed like Elvis or M.J. or would they talk about him for a few days on TMZ or Entertainment Tonight or Access Hollywood then move on to Kim Ho-dashian life and exploits as always.

I don't know if you are serious or not, but I think that perception of things is more than a bit skewed. That MJ and Elvis are more TMZ type fodder I do not necessarily think that is a good thing.

Prince, The Beatles, James Brown, Radiohead and such are highly regarded artist for their art and really not the Kardashian or Jersey Shore zeitgeist you speak of.

I think Prince is in better place and company where he is now actually than your so-called "king" status.

The recent BBC Purple Reign documentary had him receive comments such as "The ultimate entertainer", "The greatest live performer of all time", "The most versatile artist in popular music". The british newspaper, The Independent gave him the comment in my sig upon Hop Farm.

When all is said and done, mark my words, the huge compliments he receives and his impact will be brought to the forefront more so than anyone else.

...Also, the Prince quotes posted already say it all and cater to the reason why it'll be like above. Lots to unravel.

uuhson said:

prince will never escape his old image. people continue to think hes a vapid talentless song and dance man



edit: everyone still thinks he might be gay

[Edited 11/27/11 3:58am]

Talentless? Never.

dJJ said:

rdhull said:

Elvis, JB, and MJ were't any kings or better either. Drug addled, crack/food addicts at times, fugitives from the police, dubious court hearings of character, etc etc. I mean realllllly now. Prince didn't have any of thiose issues and this joker here is "not knocking" Prince but criticizing him for not partaking on some 1980's bullshit, video games etc all the while heralding those other fools?

Some Prince fans are assbackwards as all hell lol.

Yeah. P is know for worse actions than that. Stories about him not treating friends and staff right. Not being respectful to loved ones is worse than not participating in joint fund raising.

you've GOT to be kidding. I hope you're being sarcastic. treating band members and business associates poorly pales in comparison to going to jail for domestic violence and being on trail for molesting kids.

MadamGoodnight said:

uuhson said:

prince will never escape his old image. people continue to think hes a vapid talentless song and dance man



edit: everyone still thinks he might be gay

[Edited 11/27/11 3:58am]

Talentless? Never.

i dont know where you're from, but thats the reaction most people have from what ive noticed. even adults

Because many of his songs are not as mainstream as for instance Michael Jackson's. Probably even less mainstream in the last half of Prince's career. Of course this has nothing to do with how good the music is, but it's a factor that affects sales and chart positions.

Prince's music is also often more complex than is often the case, a factor with the same results.

MadamGoodnight said:

uuhson said:

prince will never escape his old image. people continue to think hes a vapid talentless song and dance man



edit: everyone still thinks he might be gay

Talentless? Never.

Gay then?

btw is there an emoticon for sarcasm. In case people aren't sure about it and it is clear to everybody what is meant in a sarcastic manner?

Everyone thought MJ was homosexual too, so checkmate on that?

i think that prince is music royalty already, and all musicians,singers,dancers,artist,etc.. regard him in this manner..(look at vh1 100 greatest artist.. prince was voted number 7!!)

but as far as the average guy listening to the radio "prince...is that the purple rain guy?" kind of people go.. i believe, (and i hate to say things like this) but whenever prince passes, he will become more known/popular..

his records will be played all over the place,media will be talking alot about him in positive ways..and people will learn(or atleast hear) about his impact on music..

for example, im in highschool, and many of my peers have said things like "you never heard anything about michael jackson untill he died" or "know one cared until he died" etc..

and think about when that horrible day of june 25th happened.. his albums SKY ROCKETED! everyone was bying his records..and he gained many new fans..

i believe the same will happen for prince, i dont think it will be as televised in the news etc..

Reality, he's an American and we don't acknowledge or bow to royalty.

idk... haha

"There are no kings on this earth, only princes"

-Prince

Choice

NouveauDance said:

onelap said:

He dose not need to be a king as he is a child of God.

*vomit*

Prince (used to) be KING in my world:

The king of sexual funk.

kewlschool said:

"There are no kings on this earth, only princes"

-Prince

[Edited 11/28/11 17:37pm]

My first thought is simply he hijacked himself with the befuddling decisions he made over what to release and what to leave in the vault (choices over singles and album art didn't help any either).

Personally I do think he's reached "King" status. Comparisons to Michael Jackson are nearly pointless. MJ really had two careers and he also grew up in the public eye; additionally he was very judicious about how much (or how little) material to release. We bitch about (myself included) how many inferior songs or albums Prince has released but take a trip through the catalogs of Elvis, Stevie, McCartney and James Brown and you'll see that nearly all our heroes have logged hours at the crap factory...

Honestly I think that if P's goal was to become 'king', it would have been accomplished. He would have played by the rules and not took as many risks as he did. Following Purple Rain with Around the World in a Day (especially so quickly) isn't what someone does when they want to be 'king'. I think P's main driving force is his intense love for music. I don't think he wants to be king as much as he just wants to be the best musician he can be. JMO.

Well, I guess if he really wanted to, he could do it the same way MJ did.

By issuing a press release declaring himself one.

GeminiBrown said:

Honestly I think that if P's goal was to become 'king', it would have been accomplished. He would have played by the rules and not took as many risks as he did. Following Purple Rain with Around the World in a Day (especially so quickly) isn't what someone does when they want to be 'king'. I think P's main driving force is his intense love for music. I don't think he wants to be king as much as he just wants to be the best musician he can be. JMO.

uuhson said:

MadamGoodnight said:

Talentless? Never.

i dont know where you're from, but thats the reaction most people have from what ive noticed. even adults

The places I've lived, The Big Apple & La La Land. I don't know anyone who doesn't have a high opinion of his talent. He's a musical genius and one of the greatest. The talent has been there from the very beginning.

There have been many Kings - as you pointed out with Elvis, MJ and every new upstart who has a hit or two eager to take a crown.

But with all that - there is, and will only ever be one Prince.

Prince is just about as popular as a person can get. He's only slightly less popular than those people, and actually he's sold more than James Brown

But the thing that makes him different is that he is more challenging, both musically and in terms of his image.

The Beatles changed and challenged, but they always managed to package themselves in a way that the public bought. Plus they fit a clear demographic.

Prince has always been the choice of free thinkers who don't mind that he is weird, not quite a rocker or an R&B star or an artsy fartsy musician, but a little bit of everything. The strange thing is that Elvis & MJ are actually weirder than Prince. They just are not perceived that way because the general public is weirder than Prince, too.

NDRU said:

Prince is just about as popular as a person can get. He's only slightly less popular than those people, and actually he's sold more than James Brown

But the thing that makes him different is that he is more challenging, both musically and in terms of his image.

The Beatles changed and challenged, but they always managed to package themselves in a way that the public bought. Plus they fit a clear demographic.

Prince has always been the choice of free thinkers who don't mind that he is weird, not quite a rocker or an R&B star or an artsy fartsy musician, but a little bit of everything. The strange thing is that Elvis & MJ are actually weirder than Prince. They just are not perceived that way because the general public is weirder than Prince, too.

Great post. I tend to agree. Especially that the general public is weirder than Prince. That is a fact.

NDRU said:

Prince is just about as popular as a person can get. He's only slightly less popular than those people, and actually he's sold more than James Brown

But the thing that makes him different is that he is more challenging, both musically and in terms of his image.

The Beatles changed and challenged, but they always managed to package themselves in a way that the public bought. Plus they fit a clear demographic.

Prince has always been the choice of free thinkers who don't mind that he is weird, not quite a rocker or an R&B star or an artsy fartsy musician, but a little bit of everything. The strange thing is that Elvis & MJ are actually weirder than Prince. They just are not perceived that way because the general public is weirder than Prince, too.

Exactly!!!!!!!!!

MJ was a business, he was just an above average song and dance man who surounded himself with the right people. HE then proclaimed himself King. (Quite laughably really)

Prince is a talented songwriter and musician, a phenomonon, and quite possible a genius. He has no time for labels created for marketing puropses.

NouveauDance said:

Because for better or worse, Prince doesn't sit on his ass for 5 years between records.

Sorry, but Elvis released a lot of albums, but became the King.
If you mean Jackson, his legacy is not only 6 adult studio albums, over a lifetime, he recorded many albums with the group.

I think a lot of the way, why the Prince did not have the status of Elvis and Michael. Maybe it's because he wants to be free?
This huge fame as had Presley and Jackson, makes you a slave, a huge project. Both of them are not psychologically handled it, so I do not mind the fact that Prince is in their shadow, he has the opportunity to creatively express themselves much more.

i dont know where you're from, but thats the reaction most people have from what ive noticed. even adults

I agree. Maybe it's strange, but many people believe Prince overrated artist as well.

NouveauDance said:

Everyone thought MJ was homosexual too, so checkmate on that?

No, this is not true.
80% of the people I know think MJ asexual at all.

LiLi1992 said:

i dont know where you're from, but thats the reaction most people have from what ive noticed. even adults

I agree. Maybe it's strange, but many people believe Prince overrated artist as well.

NouveauDance said:

Everyone thought MJ was homosexual too, so checkmate on that?

No, this is not true.
80% of the people I know think MJ asexual at all.

80% of the people I know think he is a child molester.

Please stay on topic

langebleu - moderator

V10LETBLUES said:

LiLi1992 said:

No, this is not true.
80% of the people I know think MJ asexual at all.

80% of the people I know think he is a child molester.

Please stay on topic

langebleu - moderator

You must change your environment, you hang out with strange people.
You are from the U.S.? I think so.
In Europe to MJ and pedophilia slightly different approach.

I do not want to start the topic of child abuse, do not like to argue about things that are not known to any of us. It is a struggle with the ghosts.

It is ironic that from two of my remarks: 1 about MJ, and 1 about Prince, any fan of Prince chooses to answer the remark about MJ. Is not it strange?

[Edited 11/29/11 10:22am]

Noted - let's focus on the subject of this thread, which is Prince

langebleu - moderator

uuhson said:

prince will never escape his old image. people continue to think hes a vapid talentless song and dance man

Totally agree. The ironic thing is that Michael Jackson, (while certainly a singer of some ability) was pretty much a vapid, talentless song and dance man. Sort of like Sammy Davis, Jr. with less edge and expensive music videos.

The Queen?

steakfinger said:

uuhson said:

prince will never escape his old image. people continue to think hes a vapid talentless song and dance man

Totally agree. The ironic thing is that Michael Jackson, (while certainly a singer of some ability) was pretty much a vapid, talentless song and dance man. Sort of like Sammy Davis, Jr. with less edge and expensive music videos.

These speculations in matters of talent I am a little tired.
Prinсе is more talented musically, he is a great instrumentalist, but the overall talent .... I'm sorry, but this is a difficult question.

Jackson had the vocal range 3 octaves when he was 11-year old boy

He obviously had a plastic body and an absolute sense of rhythm,
He wrote some of the best pop songs Ever ..... and it is not talented??

Only a person who exists in a parallel reality, can write such nonsense.

Jackson was obviously talented. Decent singer, great dancer and a good songwriter. Not many people have so much ability, as had Jackson.

Some fans of Prince simply do not recognize obvious things just because they are still living mentally in the 80's and feel the rivalry

The fight was over, Prince won, he survived MJ...

leave this in peace!

Americans are so obsessed with status and position.....

"You wander the wilderness

Searching for a king

Will you settle for a prince

And a sea of everything?"

The only reason, there is only one King : Elvis

^ Hey I once got banned for posting this pic.

believe it or not - this is a pic that Prince don't wanna see here, or else... trouble...

I believe a mod will remove it soooon.

.

[Edited 11/29/11 14:12pm]

Question:

is that "Prince & Elvis shaking hands" pic legal to post again?

If so, am I able then to post a bigger version from the good old Housequake.com site...

KICKDRUMZ said:

While watching Micheal Jackson's " THIS IS IT!" for the two hundredth time, I was brought to the thought again of how much he's missed and how much of a dynasty he's left behind, now don't get it twisted, im a Prince fan to the bone, he's the reason im a musician today, but I can't help but wonder what separated him from the ranks of Elvis, M.J., Jimi Hendrix and maybe even James Brown as far as impact. Is because of is attitude, his reclusiveness or other matters? So the question is with someone so talented and different and a trailblazer/ pioneer Why has'nt Prince became a King to the likes of other outside of ourselves. If he died tomorrow would he be missed like Elvis or M.J. or would they talk about him for a few days on TMZ or Entertainment Tonight or Access Hollywood then move on to Kim Ho-dashian life and exploits as always.

I think its comes down to he lives off his talent and not gimmicks. He can careless to be a "celebrity". He had a chance twice in his career to milk ( a moment ) or (an album) with Purple Rain & Musicology.

Both times the mainstream was really watching and he wanted he could have done a world tour and milk both projects/moments for years. But he isn't that kinda guy! He is always looking to not be a sell-out! He never gives the media a chance to get their claws out and slam him. Nothing sticks! He is way to in control!

The list you made of examples are hard to pinpoint because if you don't die young they can't do the "what if" factor to everything, when we know it was over.. but the public will always pretend there was more to come.

Hendrix in the mid-70's would he be doing Disco Albums? Yes No one wants to say that. Hendrix is overrated, he is good but people focus so closely in that moment at 25-27 years old. Eric Clapton was great then and now sucks. Which tells you more about how amazing Prince is...

Elvis was pretty much over and gone with drugs, the voice was there but wow at 42 he was really used up.

MJ samething, he was lucky he died when he did or he would have been exposed in those concerts like Whitney Houston was in 2010-2011. All the hype of you memory, but the truth was the truth.

James Brown, now he is a legend anyone that is in the business that long, for many levels of a career high and low but he is still performing in his 70's! Everyone is famous in their 20's, its what you after that!

Prince will be more on the level of James Brown & Sammy Davis Jr. If Prince doesnt die young and keeps playing in his 70's people will give him that Legend Respect.

He's never had a HUGE chart-dominating album outside of Purple Rain. Sure he's had #1 hits here and there, but never multiple from the same album (for the most part). Musically challenging his audience right after Purple Rain took a hit on his commericialbility? Not to say that it wasn't a good thing because ATWIAD and Parade are good albums, but in terms of comparison to the other guys you mentioned outside of Hendrix, he's no hit machine. That's before getting into Lovesexy and the 90s.

MajesticOne89 said:

He's never had a HUGE chart-dominating album outside of Purple Rain. Sure he's had #1 hits here and there, but never multiple from the same album (for the most part). Musically challenging his audience right after Purple Rain took a hit on his commericialbility? Not to say that it wasn't a good thing because ATWIAD and Parade are good albums, but in terms of comparison to the other guys you mentioned outside of Hendrix, he's no hit machine. That's before getting into Lovesexy and the 90s.

Excuse me! U never heard of the double platinum album Diamonds & Pearls & the triple platinum Batman soundtrack?

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

MajesticOne89 said:

He's never had a HUGE chart-dominating album outside of Purple Rain. Sure he's had #1 hits here and there, but never multiple from the same album (for the most part). Musically challenging his audience right after Purple Rain took a hit on his commericialbility? Not to say that it wasn't a good thing because ATWIAD and Parade are good albums, but in terms of comparison to the other guys you mentioned outside of Hendrix, he's no hit machine. That's before getting into Lovesexy and the 90s.

Excuse me! U never heard of the double platinum album Diamonds & Pearls & the triple platinum Batman soundtrack?

Haha, that's why I said for the most part in parentheses! They were hits, but they weren't like MJ "Bad" huge which was what I meant. I just feel that the combination of listener-challenging, daring music with bad marketing/promotion decisions prevented him from being a HUGE seller which is why, outside of Purple Rain, he isn't as big as he could've been. But that's fine because he seems to be doing alright.

ElectricBlue said:

MJ samething, he was lucky he died when he did or he would have been exposed in those concerts like Whitney Houston was in 2010-2011. All the hype of you memory, but the truth was the truth.

not true one bit! im sorry, but no.. if the This Is It concerts would have happened they would have been spectacular! so no the truth would have been a 50 year old man performing better than any of the so called "entertainers" in the industry today.

and to compare whitney houstons present performances to michaels is the most RIDICULOUS thing i have ever heard.. have you not watched whitney lately... (dont get me wrong, i love me some whitney houston but c'mon...)

RicoN said:

MJ was a business, he was just an above average song and dance man who surounded himself with the right people. HE then proclaimed himself King. (Quite laughably really)

Michael NEVER "proclaimed" himself as a king? EVER.. he never once said that he was the king of pop... thats the name the world gave him... so your sadly mistaken (Quite laughable really)

MajesticOne89 said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Excuse me! U never heard of the double platinum album Diamonds & Pearls & the triple platinum Batman soundtrack?

Haha, that's why I said for the most part in parentheses! They were hits, but they weren't like MJ "Bad" huge which was what I meant. I just feel that the combination of listener-challenging, daring music with bad marketing/promotion decisions prevented him from being a HUGE seller which is why, outside of Purple Rain, he isn't as big as he could've been. But that's fine because he seems to be doing alright.

Ok Ur excused my purple follower

Hunh?!

It's a shame that many, not all, Prince fans who complain that he doesn't get the respect he deserves are quick to do the same to other artists, namely Michael Jackson.

I think trying to compare them is a futile exercise as both are amazing artists in their own rights, and both influenced and inspired each other as they have many other artists.

The question is why isn't Prince considered a KING - the truth is he doesn't need to be - he is PRINCE. The king titles are often just hype tags to embew the artist with respect, the same way Prince is often called The Purple One or His Royal Badness (I'm not even going near Prince's self-proclaimed Purple Yoda moniker) - it's just a media hook to get attention and sell.

Prince these days seems more than satisfied with his place in music history and the respect he receives. He obviously still likes playing the hype game himself but seems happy to enjoy his role rather than worry about meaningless titles - perhaps we should all do the same.

dm3857 said:

RicoN said:

MJ was a business, he was just an above average song and dance man who surounded himself with the right people. HE then proclaimed himself King. (Quite laughably really)

Michael NEVER "proclaimed" himself as a king? EVER.. he never once said that he was the king of pop... thats the name the world gave him... so your sadly mistaken (Quite laughable really)

when you say world do you mean the Sony marketing department?

RicoN said:

dm3857 said:

Michael NEVER "proclaimed" himself as a king? EVER.. he never once said that he was the king of pop... thats the name the world gave him... so your sadly mistaken (Quite laughable really)

when you say world do you mean the Sony marketing department?

Here is the history of the "King of Pop" title.

In 1983 Michael was referred to by many press as the Prince of Pop.

in 1984 a coverstory of Rock & Soul magazine called him the King of Pop, Rock & Soul.

During the 1987-88 Bad world tour fans started displaying signs with King of Pop, and King of Pop, Rock & Soul on it.

In 1989 at the Soul Train award Elizabeth called him the "true King of pop, rock and soul".

At the time of Dangerous (1991) MJ's management and PR team ran with "King of Pop" title and plastered it all over press releases. Whilst MTV ran with the title when broadcasting Black or White, Kurt Loder dubbed him the self-proclaimed King of Pop, and the press ran with it.

There is no denying that MJ welcomed this title, and no denying Sony loved marketing him as such. Equally there is no denying that initially ordained by fans the PR machine ran with it, either way the title was warranted.

At the end of the day it's all hype - the same way Prince has toured several times under the guise of "last time I'm playing the hits" - it's all hype and marketing to draw attention to a new product or tour.

Swa said:

RicoN said:

when you say world do you mean the Sony marketing department?

Here is the history of the "King of Pop" title.

In 1983 Michael was referred to by many press as the Prince of Pop.

in 1984 a coverstory of Rock & Soul magazine called him the King of Pop, Rock & Soul.

During the 1987-88 Bad world tour fans started displaying signs with King of Pop, and King of Pop, Rock & Soul on it.

In 1989 at the Soul Train award Elizabeth called him the "true King of pop, rock and soul".

At the time of Dangerous (1991) MJ's management and PR team ran with "King of Pop" title and plastered it all over press releases. Whilst MTV ran with the title when broadcasting Black or White, Kurt Loder dubbed him the self-proclaimed King of Pop, and the press ran with it.

There is no denying that MJ welcomed this title, and no denying Sony loved marketing him as such. Equally there is no denying that initially ordained by fans the PR machine ran with it, either way the title was warranted.

At the end of the day it's all hype - the same way Prince has toured several times under the guise of "last time I'm playing the hits" - it's all hype and marketing to draw attention to a new product or tour.

The title wasn't warranted at all.

Who wrote Liz Taylor's script for her? and fans holding signs up usually tend to be the ones who's opinions aren't worth they cardboard they are written on!

if I proclaim him the King of Paedos does it make him so?

Because, like it or not, MJ and Elvis were more innovative, Elvis as a showman and MJ as a music video pioneer.

Prince is a phenominal musician, but he didn't exactly revolutionise the industry the way Elvis or MJ did.

RicoN said:

The title wasn't warranted at all.

Who wrote Liz Taylor's script for her? and fans holding signs up usually tend to be the ones who's opinions aren't worth they cardboard they are written on!

if I proclaim him the King of Paedos does it make him so?

Do not behave so childishly.

I have read some articles about MJ 1984 -1985 period, he was constantly called King of Pop, so Elisabeth just cemented formally known fact.
In addition, I do not like these silly titles, but they do exist. Live with it!!

[Edited 11/30/11 6:00am]

Prince stans can give Justin Bieber tweens a run for their money at times...

[Edited 11/30/11 6:17am]

Fiona01 said:

Prince stans can give Justin Bieber tweens a run for their money at times...

[Edited 11/30/11 6:17am]

what does that mean in English Fiona?

LiLi1992 said:

RicoN said:

The title wasn't warranted at all.

Who wrote Liz Taylor's script for her? and fans holding signs up usually tend to be the ones who's opinions aren't worth they cardboard they are written on!

if I proclaim him the King of Paedos does it make him so?

Do not behave so childishly.

I have read some articles about MJ 1984 -1985 period, he was constantly called King of Pop, so Elisabeth just cemented formally known fact.
In addition, I do not like these silly titles, but they do exist. Live with it!!

[Edited 11/30/11 6:00am]

It's the fact that he (as in his marketing company) used it himself that means you can call him self proclaimed. What does the King of Pop mean for fuck's sake anyway?

er.... what fact? you're having a giraffe duck.

[Edited 11/30/11 6:27am]

RicoN said:

Fiona01 said:

Prince stans can give Justin Bieber tweens a run for their money at times...

[Edited 11/30/11 6:17am]

what does that mean in English Fiona?

It means it's quite amusing to watch a forum of people in their mid to late thirties resorting to outbursts of name calling in their efforts to defend their favourite popstar.

RicoN said:

LiLi1992 said:

Do not behave so childishly.

I have read some articles about MJ 1984 -1985 period, he was constantly called King of Pop, so Elisabeth just cemented formally known fact.
In addition, I do not like these silly titles, but they do exist. Live with it!!

[Edited 11/30/11 6:00am]

It's the fact that he (as in his marketing company) used it himself that means you can call him self proclaimed. What does the King of Pop mean for fuck's sake anyway?

er.... what fact? you're having a giraffe duck.

[Edited 11/30/11 6:27am]

It's just a title, and stupid.
Do I believe that Jackson is the most obvious contender for the title of King of Pop?? Obviously, yes. He is the most popular and successful pop artist ever.
Am I seriously for titles?? Hell, no ...
We have 9 Queens of Pop.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorific_nicknames_in_popular_music

How can we take seriously such things?

Swa said:

RicoN said:

when you say world do you mean the Sony marketing department?

Here is the history of the "King of Pop" title.

In 1983 Michael was referred to by many press as the Prince of Pop.

in 1984 a coverstory of Rock & Soul magazine called him the King of Pop, Rock & Soul.

During the 1987-88 Bad world tour fans started displaying signs with King of Pop, and King of Pop, Rock & Soul on it.

In 1989 at the Soul Train award Elizabeth called him the "true King of pop, rock and soul".

At the time of Dangerous (1991) MJ's management and PR team ran with "King of Pop" title and plastered it all over press releases. Whilst MTV ran with the title when broadcasting Black or White, Kurt Loder dubbed him the self-proclaimed King of Pop, and the press ran with it.

There is no denying that MJ welcomed this title, and no denying Sony loved marketing him as such. Equally there is no denying that initially ordained by fans the PR machine ran with it, either way the title was warranted.

At the end of the day it's all hype - the same way Prince has toured several times under the guise of "last time I'm playing the hits" - it's all hype and marketing to draw attention to a new product or tour.

Nice story. And I agree though. But I never got the entire ''true king of pop rock and soul'' thing from Elizabeth... Michael is just pure pop.

I like you LiLi

xLiberiangirl said:

Swa said:

Here is the history of the "King of Pop" title.

In 1983 Michael was referred to by many press as the Prince of Pop.

in 1984 a coverstory of Rock & Soul magazine called him the King of Pop, Rock & Soul.

During the 1987-88 Bad world tour fans started displaying signs with King of Pop, and King of Pop, Rock & Soul on it.

In 1989 at the Soul Train award Elizabeth called him the "true King of pop, rock and soul".

At the time of Dangerous (1991) MJ's management and PR team ran with "King of Pop" title and plastered it all over press releases. Whilst MTV ran with the title when broadcasting Black or White, Kurt Loder dubbed him the self-proclaimed King of Pop, and the press ran with it.

There is no denying that MJ welcomed this title, and no denying Sony loved marketing him as such. Equally there is no denying that initially ordained by fans the PR machine ran with it, either way the title was warranted.

At the end of the day it's all hype - the same way Prince has toured several times under the guise of "last time I'm playing the hits" - it's all hype and marketing to draw attention to a new product or tour.

Nice story. And I agree though. But I never got the entire ''true king of pop rock and soul'' thing from Elizabeth... Michael is just pure pop.

Interestingly, I have always believed that the King of Pop pure pop music has no more than 50%. Only from the album Bad, he became primarily a pop artist.
But agree. On the role of the King of rock music, he does not pull (MJ has only 3 songs that really rock) , The King of Soul ...

yes, he has a lot of soul music in the early works, but there are many far more deserving candidates on this title.

RicoN said:

I like you LiLi

Really?

LiLi1992 said:

xLiberiangirl said:

Nice story. And I agree though. But I never got the entire ''true king of pop rock and soul'' thing from Elizabeth... Michael is just pure pop.

Interestingly, I have always believed that the King of Pop pure pop music has no more than 50%. Only from the album Bad, he became primarily a pop artist.
But agree. On the role of the King of rock music, he does not pull (MJ has only 3 songs that really rock) , The King of Soul ...

yes, he has a lot of soul music in the early works, but there are many far more deserving candidates on this title.

I'm not defending the king of rock title, but he had way more than 3 rock songs in his back catalogue:

Dirty Diana, D.S., Give Into Me, Beat It, TDCAU, Come Together, Morphine, Black or White, State of Shock, Another Day, Shout - all rock.

LiLi1992 said:

RicoN said:

I like you LiLi

Really?

yep, you've got spirit!

perhaps pop/rock and soul?

alphastreet said:

perhaps pop/rock and soul?

perhaps f/uck and all?

I agree he's pop, soul, r&b etc. too I don't see him as a rock artist but he nails rock very well, and he arguably has a pop/rock sound later on on many tracks

Fiona01 said:

Because, like it or not, MJ and Elvis were more innovative, Elvis as a showman and MJ as a music video pioneer.

Prince is a phenominal musician, but he didn't exactly revolutionise the industry the way Elvis or MJ did.

Please do u know how many so called musicians moved to Minneapolis & pretended they were from there after Prince hit it big with "Purple Rain"? Almost every artist including Mj's equally talented sister Janet, was trying to sound like dress like & play like Prince. Prince musical influence took over the eighties more so than Mj's sound. People just wanted to dance like MJ even to this day. But not sound or look like him.

I think all of us have to admit that marketing has a lot to do with it, regardless about the merits of their music, image matters. Good marketing and brand demographics matters.

Both took much different approaches in marketing themselves. When one starts a business or a brand, one makes choices than will have a lasting impact. You have to think long term.

One chose an image that was fun and friendly and welcoming everyone of all ages.

And the other sought out unique audience that was not as family friendly.

[Edited 11/30/11 9:47am]

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Fiona01 said:

Because, like it or not, MJ and Elvis were more innovative, Elvis as a showman and MJ as a music video pioneer.

Prince is a phenominal musician, but he didn't exactly revolutionise the industry the way Elvis or MJ did.

Please do u know how many so called musicians moved to Minneapolis & pretended they were from there after Prince hit it big with "Purple Rain"? Almost every artist including Mj's equally talented sister Janet, was trying to sound like dress like & play like Prince. Prince musical influence took over the eighties more so than Mj's sound. People just wanted to dance like MJ even to this day. But not sound or look like him.

Oh really??

Fiona01 said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Please do u know how many so called musicians moved to Minneapolis & pretended they were from there after Prince hit it big with "Purple Rain"? Almost every artist including Mj's equally talented sister Janet, was trying to sound like dress like & play like Prince. Prince musical influence took over the eighties more so than Mj's sound. People just wanted to dance like MJ even to this day. But not sound or look like him.

Oh really??

lol this is so wrong.

wally1970 said:

Is that jack o , or ronald macdonald ???

The M on the guitar players shirt? I contacted reps for both camps and as of this posting, that image has not been confirmed or denied by either camp.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

many so called musicians moved to Minneapolis & pretended they were from there after Prince hit it big with "Purple Rain"? Almost every artist including Mj's equally talented sister Janet, was trying to sound like dress like & play like Prince. Prince musical influence took over the eighties more so than Mj's sound. People just wanted to dance like MJ even to this day. But not sound or look like him.

You might want to listen to a lot of the albums that came out post OTW and Thriller and see how they influenced the sound and variety of styles on an album.

You might also want to peep Purple Rain (the movie) again you might notice Prince sporting one glove in a few of the live scenes.

[Edited 11/30/11 14:07pm]

what tour was it that opened with:

To whoever it may concern

you must come to senses

there are no kings on this earth

only princes

tadadadada

ahhhaaaa ahhhhaaah

ahhaaahhhaaahhh

my name is prince....

Because, like it or not, MJ and Elvis were more innovative, Elvis as a showman and MJ as a music video pioneer.

Prince is a phenominal musician, but he didn't exactly revolutionise the industry the way Elvis or MJ did.

Prince does not have such a large scale and global success as Elvis and MJ, but innovation ... Give me a break, not sure.
Titles define popularity, and vice versa .... Titles do not define talent, innovation, influence. In my opinion, you are looking for a very deep meaning.
Look at 9 Queen of pop in music history. Many of them have made ​​a revolution? Hell, no.
If you are a HUGE pop star, the public and the media start calling you the honorary title.

MattyJam said:

LiLi1992 said:

Interestingly, I have always believed that the King of Pop pure pop music has no more than 50%. Only from the album Bad, he became primarily a pop artist.
But agree. On the role of the King of rock music, he does not pull (MJ has only 3 songs that really rock) , The King of Soul ...

yes, he has a lot of soul music in the early works, but there are many far more deserving candidates on this title.

I'm not defending the king of rock title, but he had way more than 3 rock songs in his back catalogue:

Dirty Diana, D.S., Give Into Me, Beat It, TDCAU, Come Together, Morphine, Black or White, State of Shock, Another Day, Shout - all rock.

These are the only songs I really think rock songs for the most part.
Others only with a rock influence, and no more than that.

Michael was just as insecure as Prince. at least Prince left his appearances alone, save for different hair styles.

Michael annointed himself "king of pop". no one else. He dictated to MTV that he would not appear on any of their shows, unless he was announced as such.

He made a spectacle of himself when Britney Spears was going to wish him a happy birthday, and he said Thank you MTV for naming me the entertainer of the century, or something close to that.

puleez.

Swa said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

You might want to listen to a lot of the albums that came out post OTW and Thriller and see how they influenced the sound and variety of styles on an album.

You might also want to peep Purple Rain (the movie) again you might notice Prince sporting one glove in a few of the live scenes.

[Edited 11/30/11 14:07pm]

I don't deny MJ had an influence on every artist after his Thriller success.But prince sporting one glove had nothing to do with MJ.Prince had his own fly swagg. mJ needed to take notes...

LiLi1992 said:

These are the only songs I really think rock songs for the most part.
Others only with a rock influence, and no more than that.

I'm sorry, but that's bullshit.

Just a few song reviews I found online:

In his HIStory album review, Entertainment Weekly's Jackson Browne defines musically "D.S." as a hard rock song.

"The dark, cryptic 'Morphine' is easily one of the most ambitious songs he's ever recorded. He fuels the song with narcotic industrial rock—look out Trent Reznor" Thor Christensen of The Dallas Morning News

"'Morphine' apparently told from the drug's point of view and featuring both the Andrae Crouch Singers and an orchestra, alternates between hard-edged rock and operatic pop" The Washington Post

"'State of Shock' - a duet with Mick Jagger - sees Jackson delve into the realms of stadium rock" Mojo

Sarah Rodman of The Boston Globe reviewed the song (Another Day) by saying it "echoes of vintage rock-oriented Jackson tracks such as Dirty Diana and Beat It".

[Edited 11/30/11 16:13pm]

Who gives a DAMMMMN? When did this turn into if Michael Jackson is the king or not?

'WHAT STOP PRINCE FROM BECOMING A KING?'

Am I reading the title wrong?

Seriously!

DJFreelan said:

Who gives a DAMMMMN? When did this turn into if Michael Jackson is the king or not?

'WHAT STOP PRINCE FROM BECOMING A KING?'

Am I reading the title wrong?

Seriously!

When the topic starts with the author refers to MJ, we all know in what direction will develop theme.

'WHAT STOP PRINCE FROM BECOMING A KING?'

I think MJ - one of the factors. The two kings have been closely coexist in the same era ...

Anyway, it would have been anecdotal: "Ladies and gentlemen, the King of pop/funk/etc - Prince"

I'm sorry, but that's bullshit.

Of course, in each of these songs have rock elements. But this is not a pure style, not pure rock, a mixture of different styles, Michael was a master of combinations of styles.

I do not know, I listen to classic rock 80% of the time I dedicate music in general, but I do not take all the songs that you have named as rock music, that's all.

Am I the only one who's heard My Name Is Prince

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Swa said:

You might want to listen to a lot of the albums that came out post OTW and Thriller and see how they influenced the sound and variety of styles on an album.

You might also want to peep Purple Rain (the movie) again you might notice Prince sporting one glove in a few of the live scenes.

[Edited 11/30/11 14:07pm]

I don't deny MJ had an influence on every artist after his Thriller success.But prince sporting one glove had nothing to do with MJ.Prince had his own fly swagg. mJ needed to take notes...

Oh come on now. You know that the one glove was a fashion trend MJ started. Prince copped the fashionable look, its ok to admit it.

Doesn't make Prince any less an talented artist.

aardvark15 said:

Am I the only one who's heard My Name Is Prince

Apparently.

Hell, I quoted it.

He pretty much answers the question.

i hate how we talk about prince and michael like they are a 2 in 1 package deal..

i mean c'mon.. its constantly "michael did this" oh yeah well "prince did that" blah freaking blah!

i mean good lord... michael is the greatest thing to ever happen to pop music.. HE IS THE KING OF POP.. end of discussion..

Prince for the most part is not even pop... so why are we argueing? its like argueing about english in math class... it just doesnt make since!

^ Because, like somebody above said, some people just can't leave the 80's "rivalry" between the two behind.

And some people believe everything the media tells them as far as Michael goes. He was wierd, but dammit, he kept people talking. Kind of remind you of somebody who we DON'T jump down his throat in a way? Somebody who performed a song like "Sister," for example? Just throwing that out there, since that seems to be one of the directions we KNOW this conversation is wanting to go.

[Edited 11/30/11 21:10pm]

Wow, this shit is still going?!! Outa control as ever.

dm3857 said:

i hate how we talk about prince and michael like they are a 2 in 1 package deal..

i mean c'mon.. its constantly "michael did this" oh yeah well "prince did that" blah freaking blah!

i mean good lord... michael is the greatest thing to ever happen to pop music.. HE IS THE KING OF POP.. end of discussion..

Prince for the most part is not even pop... so why are we argueing? its like argueing about english in math class... it just doesnt make since!

end of discussion my arse... he was very good at marketing, his songs were pretty shite after On The Wall and he only sounded good cos of Quincy Jones. there are a couple of good songs on thriller but that's it.

He had a sweet voice when he was young and had a job singing on and selling records for Motown.

George Michael has more pop in his left bollock than wacko ever had. so did bloody Take That for christ's sake.

plus he used to get young boys drunk and spend nights alone with them in bed.... fuckinghellfire... does that not worry you?

No mods tonight--apparently.

I think it has nothing at all to do with Prince and more to do with the public in general. There was a time, and I remember it well, that if you listened to Prince you were an oddity. A little bit of a strange person, because his music was so different. You sort of listened to him in a closet. Everyone else was hi on Queen and ACDC and the such.

Then came Purple Rain. For better or worse. It was what is was, and that was a phenom. Who knew people would go ape shit over that movie and the sound track? The album would not have been as big as it was without the movie. No doubt.

Then suddenly, EVERYONE is aware of Prince. But Prince remained to be who he was. NOT Queen or ACDC. Not just a ticket seller and a label kisser.

What if Michael Jordon had worn slave on his cheek while playing ball? What sort of impact would that have on his image? I don't think he would be endorsing shoes. Prince has paid to pay the piper for his decisions also.

so now we are sort of closet listeners like we were before. The closet is just bigger than it was before.

RicoN said:

dm3857 said:

i hate how we talk about prince and michael like they are a 2 in 1 package deal..

i mean c'mon.. its constantly "michael did this" oh yeah well "prince did that" blah freaking blah!

i mean good lord... michael is the greatest thing to ever happen to pop music.. HE IS THE KING OF POP.. end of discussion..

Prince for the most part is not even pop... so why are we argueing? its like argueing about english in math class... it just doesnt make since!

end of discussion my arse... he was very good at marketing, his songs were pretty shite after On The Wall and he only sounded good cos of Quincy Jones. there are a couple of good songs on thriller but that's it.

He had a sweet voice when he was young and had a job singing on and selling records for Motown.

George Michael has more pop in his left bollock than wacko ever had. so did bloody Take That for christ's sake.

plus he used to get young boys drunk and spend nights alone with them in bed.... fuckinghellfire... does that not worry you?

On The Wall? LOL.

MattyJam said:

RicoN said:

end of discussion my arse... he was very good at marketing, his songs were pretty shite after On The Wall and he only sounded good cos of Quincy Jones. there are a couple of good songs on thriller but that's it.

He had a sweet voice when he was young and had a job singing on and selling records for Motown.

George Michael has more pop in his left bollock than wacko ever had. so did bloody Take That for christ's sake.

plus he used to get young boys drunk and spend nights alone with them in bed.... fuckinghellfire... does that not worry you?

On The Wall? LOL.

I guess that makes me an Ian Huntley hater then

off the wall / on the wall who gives a fuck?! I find it interesting that that is the only thing that gets your moral compass going....

[Edited 12/2/11 4:23am]

RicoN said:

I guess that makes me an Ian Huntley hater then

off the wall / on the wall who gives a fuck?! I find it interesting that that is the only thing that gets your moral compass going....

It must've been a rough couple of years for the Michael Jackson haters, post June 25th 09, with everyone celebrating his genius and recognising what a massive loss his death was to the world of popular music.

I admire your persistance in the face of adversity. Keep strong.

[Edited 12/2/11 5:29am]

MattyJam said:

RicoN said:

I guess that makes me an Ian Huntley hater then

off the wall / on the wall who gives a fuck?! I find it interesting that that is the only thing that gets your moral compass going....

It must've been a rough couple of years for the Michael Jackson haters, post June 25th 09, with everyone celebrating his genius and recognising what a massive loss his death was to the world of popular music.

I admire your persistance in the face of adversity. Keep strong.

[Edited 12/2/11 5:29am]

as I said I don't hate him, I found his behaviour morally reprehensible. I find the fact you ignore his behavior utterly bizarre and a bit scary.

But he's dead now so at least he can't abuse any more children. Which is a good thing

RicoN said:

MattyJam said:

It must've been a rough couple of years for the Michael Jackson haters, post June 25th 09, with everyone celebrating his genius and recognising what a massive loss his death was to the world of popular music.

I admire your persistance in the face of adversity. Keep strong.

[Edited 12/2/11 5:29am]

as I said I don't hate him, I found his behaviour morally reprehensible. I find the fact you ignore his behavior utterly bizarre and a bit scary.

But he's dead now so at least he can't abuse any more children. Which is a good thing

What's utterly bizarre and a bit scary is that you WANT MJ to have abused children to justify your blatant hatred of the man. Because if you were basing it on the facts available, then there is no way you would come to that conclusion, as a jury of 12 people concluded back in 2005.

RicoN - I've been reading through this thread and it seems to me you have nothing BUT hatred for Michael Jackson.

I find it so upsetting that after being put through a major US trial and being found not-guilty, Michael Jackson is still being judged and treated by some as a criminal.

It is clear to anybody who followed the allegations that the people making those claims were following their noses all the way to the bank.

RicoN - If you think you know more inside information than the court of law who studied and trialed Michael Jackson's case, then maybe you should contact the law enforcements. You think you clearly know more than information those jurors who had full access to all testimonies and evidence.

Give the man a break. Yes, he is dead now - so no matter whether you want to believe he is guilty or not, no good can come from dragging his name through the mud again and again.

Can't the mods delete this thread???

*Double post**

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Prince is King of his own domain.

Fiona01 said:

RicoN - I've been reading through this thread and it seems to me you have nothing BUT hatred for Michael Jackson.

I find it so upsetting that after being put through a major US trial and being found not-guilty, Michael Jackson is still being judged and treated by some as a criminal.

It is clear to anybody who followed the allegations that the people making those claims were following their noses all the way to the bank.

RicoN - If you think you know more inside information than the court of law who studied and trialed Michael Jackson's case, then maybe you should contact the law enforcements. You think you clearly know more than information those jurors who had full access to all testimonies and evidence.

Give the man a break. Yes, he is dead now - so no matter whether you want to believe he is guilty or not, no good can come from dragging his name through the mud again and again.

Can't the mods delete this thread???

Why delete it? Just because the anti Michael Jackson sentiment? please.

Why delete it?

Well, mainly because this whole topic is now a heavy Michael Jackson discussion thread in a "Prince Music and More" section. Secondly, talk of paedophilia and arguments about MJ's sexual behaviour don't really fit into the Prince section, in my opinion. Nor in any musical discussion, for that matter.

What I find to be quite dichotomous is that Prince has all the respect in the world for Michael, and yet his fans can't even show the proper fucking respect.

You make me sick.

Fiona01 said:

Why delete it?

Well, mainly because this whole topic is now a heavy Michael Jackson discussion thread in a "Prince Music and More" section. Secondly, talk of paedophilia and arguments about MJ's sexual behaviour don't really fit into the Prince section, in my opinion. Nor in any musical discussion, for that matter.

Lots of threads get derailed into associated subject matter. Why cant we all stop being pussies for once in 2011 and let the chips fall where they may, letting the denizens put it back on track in an adult,organic, natural way? I mean there's posts and posts degrading Prince in every conceivable way and even talking about off limts shit regarding his children, family and such, but yall dont say boo about that. Now some deragatory statements or scathing criticisms come about regarding Michael Jakcson and yall begin to cry foul. Get the entire fuck out of her with that bullshit.

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ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

What I find to be quite dichotomous is that Prince has all the respect in the world for Michael, and yet his fans can't even show the proper fucking respect.

You make me sick.

Dont take a few critics about his arguable dubious behavior cloud an entrie community regarding your hero. I will also be looking forward to your comments whenever criticsms regarding Prince come up in the future.

rdhull said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

What I find to be quite dichotomous is that Prince has all the respect in the world for Michael, and yet his fans can't even show the proper fucking respect.

You make me sick.

Dont take a few critics about his arguable dubious behavior cloud an entrie community regarding your hero. I will also be looking forward to your comments whenever criticsms regarding Prince come up in the future.

Noted. FYI, I have nothing but respect for Prince, and i have no problem saying I'm his fan. I just wonder sometimes why the feeling cannot be mutual with Prince fans. I mean, I can understand if you're not a fan of the music or even the man himself, but showing respect does not take away from your character or your "fandom".

But what I'm tryna say is...this is a thread about Prince. How in the world did we begin talking about MJ and his life? I swear this whole "Prince vs. MJ" thing is old beyond belief. And if people still believe in it, then you just told everyone how old you are. Just sayin'...

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

rdhull said:

Dont take a few critics about his arguable dubious behavior cloud an entrie community regarding your hero. I will also be looking forward to your comments whenever criticsms regarding Prince come up in the future.

Noted. FYI, I have nothing but respect for Prince, and i have no problem saying I'm his fan. I just wonder sometimes why the feeling cannot be mutual with Prince fans. I mean, I can understand if you're not a fan of the music or even the man himself, but showing respect does not take away from your character or your "fandom".

But what I'm tryna say is...this is a thread about Prince. How in the world did we begin talking about MJ and his life? I swear this whole "Prince vs. MJ" thing is old beyond belief. And if people still believe in it, then you just told everyone how old you are. Just sayin'...

I understand all lof that. But what I meant is tto ask "have you stated your disgust when Prince gets "disrespected" on posts here?" Folks have said much worse about him than whats being said about Michael Jackson on this thread.

Why threads in general get derailed? Well, generally, the majority of the denizens here love to cater down to tabloid type of content and such. You do realize that this is a forum of grown adults who post all day everyday on here, right? That isn't exactly the creme de la creme of a society.

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RicoN said:

MattyJam said:

It must've been a rough couple of years for the Michael Jackson haters, post June 25th 09, with everyone celebrating his genius and recognising what a massive loss his death was to the world of popular music.

I admire your persistance in the face of adversity. Keep strong.

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as I said I don't hate him, I found his behaviour morally reprehensible. I find the fact you ignore his behavior utterly bizarre and a bit scary.

But he's dead now so at least he can't abuse any more children. Which is a good thing

The ramblings of an uneducated, sadly-biased mind. As if your unfounded belief that Michael hurt children will make Prince a bigger idol or icon to more people. Make him the "King" you envision him to be.

Judging someone based on what you percieve they are (or were), does not determine who they are. It determines what you are.

This is how I view the both of them. And this is my final say on the matter.

Thank you and goodnight.

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

RicoN said:

as I said I don't hate him, I found his behaviour morally reprehensible. I find the fact you ignore his behavior utterly bizarre and a bit scary.

But he's dead now so at least he can't abuse any more children. Which is a good thing

The ramblings of an uneducated, sadly-biased mind. As if your unfounded belief that Michael hurt children will make Prince a bigger idol or icon to more people. Make him the "King" you envision him to be.

Judging someone based on what you percieve they are (or were), does not determine who they are. It determines what you are.

This is how I view the both of them. And this is my final say on the matter.

Thank you and goodnight.

In that picture Prince is thinking/determining his professional strategy while Michael is thinking of which child to have sleep over.

KIDDING

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electricberet said:

Not every Prince becomes a King. He could become a Duke, like Duke Ellington or the Grand Duke of Luxembourg.

Its in the of the BEHOLDHER. A King by what measurement or law? What says u? A Prince destined to be King........well it very well could be.

rdhull said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Noted. FYI, I have nothing but respect for Prince, and i have no problem saying I'm his fan. I just wonder sometimes why the feeling cannot be mutual with Prince fans. I mean, I can understand if you're not a fan of the music or even the man himself, but showing respect does not take away from your character or your "fandom".

But what I'm tryna say is...this is a thread about Prince. How in the world did we begin talking about MJ and his life? I swear this whole "Prince vs. MJ" thing is old beyond belief. And if people still believe in it, then you just told everyone how old you are. Just sayin'...

I understand all lof that. But what I meant is tto ask "have you stated your disgust when Prince gets "disrespected" on posts here?" Folks have said much worse about him than whats being said about Michael Jackson on this thread.

Why threads in general get derailed? Well, generally, the majority of the denizens here love to cater down to tabloid type of content and such. You do realize that this is a forum of grown adults who post all day everyday on here, right? That isn't exactly the creme de la creme of a society.

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I mostly hang out on GD, but whenever someone badmouthes Prince, I do stand up for the Purple One. No doubt.

But the reason I don't express much disgust is...the MJ fans I know love Prince too.

Threads get derailed because people like tangents I guess. I personally would like to have a decent, intelligent conversation as to why or why not Prince is not as "big" or as "recognized" as he should be without any MJ bashing (or bashing of other artists for that matter). The music should speak for itself.

And your answer to my picture post is just plain rude. Really...

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

rdhull said:

I understand all lof that. But what I meant is tto ask "have you stated your disgust when Prince gets "disrespected" on posts here?" Folks have said much worse about him than whats being said about Michael Jackson on this thread.

Why threads in general get derailed? Well, generally, the majority of the denizens here love to cater down to tabloid type of content and such. You do realize that this is a forum of grown adults who post all day everyday on here, right? That isn't exactly the creme de la creme of a society.

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I mostly hang out on GD, but whenever someone badmouthes Prince, I do stand up for the Purple One. No doubt.

But the reason I don't express much disgust is...the MJ fans I know love Prince too.

Threads get derailed because people like tangents I guess. I personally would like to have a decent, intelligent conversation as to why or why not Prince is not as "big" or as "recognized" as he should be without any MJ bashing (or bashing of other artists for that matter). The music should speak for itself.

And your answer to my picture post is just plain rude. Really...

welcome to rock n roll

rdhull said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

I mostly hang out on GD, but whenever someone badmouthes Prince, I do stand up for the Purple One. No doubt.

But the reason I don't express much disgust is...the MJ fans I know love Prince too.

Threads get derailed because people like tangents I guess. I personally would like to have a decent, intelligent conversation as to why or why not Prince is not as "big" or as "recognized" as he should be without any MJ bashing (or bashing of other artists for that matter). The music should speak for itself.

And your answer to my picture post is just plain rude. Really...

welcome to rock n roll

Sorry boo...