MadamGoodnight said:

uuhson said:

prince will never escape his old image. people continue to think hes a vapid talentless song and dance man



edit: everyone still thinks he might be gay

[Edited 11/27/11 3:58am]

Talentless? Never.

i dont know where you're from, but thats the reaction most people have from what ive noticed. even adults

Because many of his songs are not as mainstream as for instance Michael Jackson's. Probably even less mainstream in the last half of Prince's career. Of course this has nothing to do with how good the music is, but it's a factor that affects sales and chart positions.

Prince's music is also often more complex than is often the case, a factor with the same results.

MadamGoodnight said:

uuhson said:

prince will never escape his old image. people continue to think hes a vapid talentless song and dance man



edit: everyone still thinks he might be gay

Talentless? Never.

Gay then?

btw is there an emoticon for sarcasm. In case people aren't sure about it and it is clear to everybody what is meant in a sarcastic manner?

Everyone thought MJ was homosexual too, so checkmate on that?

i think that prince is music royalty already, and all musicians,singers,dancers,artist,etc.. regard him in this manner..(look at vh1 100 greatest artist.. prince was voted number 7!!)

but as far as the average guy listening to the radio "prince...is that the purple rain guy?" kind of people go.. i believe, (and i hate to say things like this) but whenever prince passes, he will become more known/popular..

his records will be played all over the place,media will be talking alot about him in positive ways..and people will learn(or atleast hear) about his impact on music..

for example, im in highschool, and many of my peers have said things like "you never heard anything about michael jackson untill he died" or "know one cared until he died" etc..

and think about when that horrible day of june 25th happened.. his albums SKY ROCKETED! everyone was bying his records..and he gained many new fans..

i believe the same will happen for prince, i dont think it will be as televised in the news etc..

Reality, he's an American and we don't acknowledge or bow to royalty.

idk... haha

"There are no kings on this earth, only princes"

-Prince

Choice

NouveauDance said:

onelap said:

He dose not need to be a king as he is a child of God.

*vomit*

Prince (used to) be KING in my world:

The king of sexual funk.

kewlschool said:

"There are no kings on this earth, only princes"

-Prince

[Edited 11/28/11 17:37pm]

My first thought is simply he hijacked himself with the befuddling decisions he made over what to release and what to leave in the vault (choices over singles and album art didn't help any either).

Personally I do think he's reached "King" status. Comparisons to Michael Jackson are nearly pointless. MJ really had two careers and he also grew up in the public eye; additionally he was very judicious about how much (or how little) material to release. We bitch about (myself included) how many inferior songs or albums Prince has released but take a trip through the catalogs of Elvis, Stevie, McCartney and James Brown and you'll see that nearly all our heroes have logged hours at the crap factory...

Honestly I think that if P's goal was to become 'king', it would have been accomplished. He would have played by the rules and not took as many risks as he did. Following Purple Rain with Around the World in a Day (especially so quickly) isn't what someone does when they want to be 'king'. I think P's main driving force is his intense love for music. I don't think he wants to be king as much as he just wants to be the best musician he can be. JMO.

Well, I guess if he really wanted to, he could do it the same way MJ did.

By issuing a press release declaring himself one.

GeminiBrown said:

Honestly I think that if P's goal was to become 'king', it would have been accomplished. He would have played by the rules and not took as many risks as he did. Following Purple Rain with Around the World in a Day (especially so quickly) isn't what someone does when they want to be 'king'. I think P's main driving force is his intense love for music. I don't think he wants to be king as much as he just wants to be the best musician he can be. JMO.

uuhson said:

MadamGoodnight said:

Talentless? Never.

i dont know where you're from, but thats the reaction most people have from what ive noticed. even adults

The places I've lived, The Big Apple & La La Land. I don't know anyone who doesn't have a high opinion of his talent. He's a musical genius and one of the greatest. The talent has been there from the very beginning.

There have been many Kings - as you pointed out with Elvis, MJ and every new upstart who has a hit or two eager to take a crown.

But with all that - there is, and will only ever be one Prince.

Prince is just about as popular as a person can get. He's only slightly less popular than those people, and actually he's sold more than James Brown

But the thing that makes him different is that he is more challenging, both musically and in terms of his image.

The Beatles changed and challenged, but they always managed to package themselves in a way that the public bought. Plus they fit a clear demographic.

Prince has always been the choice of free thinkers who don't mind that he is weird, not quite a rocker or an R&B star or an artsy fartsy musician, but a little bit of everything. The strange thing is that Elvis & MJ are actually weirder than Prince. They just are not perceived that way because the general public is weirder than Prince, too.

NDRU said:

Prince is just about as popular as a person can get. He's only slightly less popular than those people, and actually he's sold more than James Brown

But the thing that makes him different is that he is more challenging, both musically and in terms of his image.

The Beatles changed and challenged, but they always managed to package themselves in a way that the public bought. Plus they fit a clear demographic.

Prince has always been the choice of free thinkers who don't mind that he is weird, not quite a rocker or an R&B star or an artsy fartsy musician, but a little bit of everything. The strange thing is that Elvis & MJ are actually weirder than Prince. They just are not perceived that way because the general public is weirder than Prince, too.

Great post. I tend to agree. Especially that the general public is weirder than Prince. That is a fact.

NDRU said:

Prince is just about as popular as a person can get. He's only slightly less popular than those people, and actually he's sold more than James Brown

But the thing that makes him different is that he is more challenging, both musically and in terms of his image.

The Beatles changed and challenged, but they always managed to package themselves in a way that the public bought. Plus they fit a clear demographic.

Prince has always been the choice of free thinkers who don't mind that he is weird, not quite a rocker or an R&B star or an artsy fartsy musician, but a little bit of everything. The strange thing is that Elvis & MJ are actually weirder than Prince. They just are not perceived that way because the general public is weirder than Prince, too.

Exactly!!!!!!!!!

MJ was a business, he was just an above average song and dance man who surounded himself with the right people. HE then proclaimed himself King. (Quite laughably really)

Prince is a talented songwriter and musician, a phenomonon, and quite possible a genius. He has no time for labels created for marketing puropses.

NouveauDance said:

Because for better or worse, Prince doesn't sit on his ass for 5 years between records.

Sorry, but Elvis released a lot of albums, but became the King.
If you mean Jackson, his legacy is not only 6 adult studio albums, over a lifetime, he recorded many albums with the group.

I think a lot of the way, why the Prince did not have the status of Elvis and Michael. Maybe it's because he wants to be free?
This huge fame as had Presley and Jackson, makes you a slave, a huge project. Both of them are not psychologically handled it, so I do not mind the fact that Prince is in their shadow, he has the opportunity to creatively express themselves much more.

i dont know where you're from, but thats the reaction most people have from what ive noticed. even adults

I agree. Maybe it's strange, but many people believe Prince overrated artist as well.

NouveauDance said:

Everyone thought MJ was homosexual too, so checkmate on that?

No, this is not true.
80% of the people I know think MJ asexual at all.

LiLi1992 said:

i dont know where you're from, but thats the reaction most people have from what ive noticed. even adults

I agree. Maybe it's strange, but many people believe Prince overrated artist as well.

NouveauDance said:

Everyone thought MJ was homosexual too, so checkmate on that?

No, this is not true.
80% of the people I know think MJ asexual at all.

80% of the people I know think he is a child molester.

Please stay on topic

langebleu - moderator

V10LETBLUES said:

LiLi1992 said:

No, this is not true.
80% of the people I know think MJ asexual at all.

80% of the people I know think he is a child molester.

Please stay on topic

langebleu - moderator

You must change your environment, you hang out with strange people.
You are from the U.S.? I think so.
In Europe to MJ and pedophilia slightly different approach.

I do not want to start the topic of child abuse, do not like to argue about things that are not known to any of us. It is a struggle with the ghosts.

It is ironic that from two of my remarks: 1 about MJ, and 1 about Prince, any fan of Prince chooses to answer the remark about MJ. Is not it strange?

[Edited 11/29/11 10:22am]

Noted - let's focus on the subject of this thread, which is Prince

langebleu - moderator

uuhson said:

prince will never escape his old image. people continue to think hes a vapid talentless song and dance man

Totally agree. The ironic thing is that Michael Jackson, (while certainly a singer of some ability) was pretty much a vapid, talentless song and dance man. Sort of like Sammy Davis, Jr. with less edge and expensive music videos.

The Queen?

steakfinger said:

uuhson said:

prince will never escape his old image. people continue to think hes a vapid talentless song and dance man

Totally agree. The ironic thing is that Michael Jackson, (while certainly a singer of some ability) was pretty much a vapid, talentless song and dance man. Sort of like Sammy Davis, Jr. with less edge and expensive music videos.

These speculations in matters of talent I am a little tired.
Prinсе is more talented musically, he is a great instrumentalist, but the overall talent .... I'm sorry, but this is a difficult question.

Jackson had the vocal range 3 octaves when he was 11-year old boy

He obviously had a plastic body and an absolute sense of rhythm,
He wrote some of the best pop songs Ever ..... and it is not talented??

Only a person who exists in a parallel reality, can write such nonsense.

Jackson was obviously talented. Decent singer, great dancer and a good songwriter. Not many people have so much ability, as had Jackson.

Some fans of Prince simply do not recognize obvious things just because they are still living mentally in the 80's and feel the rivalry

The fight was over, Prince won, he survived MJ...

leave this in peace!

Americans are so obsessed with status and position.....