SoulAlive said:

"Raspberry Beret" is an extremely corny song.A few years earlier,he was doing stuff like "Head" and "DMSR" but beginning in 1985,he began releasing songs that grandmothers could sing along to

But Raspberry Beret was originally recorded in 1982.

I liken it to just specifically trying to write a melodic pop song, and succeeding, like When You Were Mine.

novabrkr said:

- People who use pictures of Prince from the Dirty Mind era as a proof of how attractive he is most likely suffer from a mental disorder.

MattyJam said:

Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic is a much better album than The Gold Experience and fans only rag on it due to it not having achieved it's commercial potential.

My hatred is everflowing, and completely unrelated to commercial success, or lack of.

[Edited 4/9/11 15:30pm]

vitriol said:

chelsearodgerslovesya said:

Or love songs that were written for Mayte e.g The Holy River, La,La,La Means I Love U or Betcha by Golly, Wow?

I never knew that The Delfonics and The Stylistics had written songs for Mayte...

Especially when she wasn't even born when either song was released...

Yep, we got well informed people here.

Apparently Thom Bell and Linda Creed got around then.

SoulAlive said:

"Raspberry Beret" is an extremely corny song.A few years earlier,he was doing stuff like "Head" and "DMSR" but beginning in 1985,he began releasing songs that grandmothers could sing along to

it was a great pop/pschedelia/funk song, I think it's fantastic, and always gets a good response when I cover it.

mediumdry said:

electricberet said:

It's not the only way. He'll release old material if he gets the money he wants, even if it goes against his stated beliefs. Why else did the Black Album get released in 1994? I hope the W2A tour earns enough money that he can pay off his debts and show WB that he still has a solid fan base and that they could make money with a reissue campaign. If WB thinks a reissue campaign would be profitable, they will pay Prince the money he wants to make it happen. They could still release everything all over again after he dies with more bonus tracks and some marginal improvement in sound. Admit it, there is no limit to the number of times some Prince fans will re-buy his music if we think we're getting something new that we want. I have pre-ordered the vinyl reissues of DM, Controversy and 1999 even though I now have original vinyl pressings and I have no way of knowing whether the reissues will sound any different. Whoever ends up buying WB will look at the Prince catalog and realize that they could be making more money off of that.

Deals get done when everyone thinks they are better off with a deal than without one. Just look at what happened in Congress a few minutes ago. Prince may be a lousy businessman but he does know math.

Let me repeat that I don't wish him dead. In fact, I hope he has all the happiness he wants and leads a fulfilling live.

That said, I do think that money is a motivator, but it seems Prince has always been a person that wants adulation for what he is now, even though he lives in the past a lot. I fear that everything he does is looked at through his "now" lense. I mean, I'd love to hear the re-recordings of all his albums, but I fear that a lot of it will be like 1999TNM. If we're lucky, it'll be like Large Room With No Light, but even that... And I fear that he will do that to a lot of his songs.

Best case is that he censors the songs, like Sexy MF and Rebirth of the Flesh, but that's already quite bad. He really should take a page out of the book of the Cult. Just look at what they did with their album Love, they made it a 3 cd version: the original album, remastered, then a cd with mixes and b-sides and then a cd with demos and unreleased tracks from the sessions.

If Prince would allow someone like Alan Leeds to go through his vault and create sets like that (with maybe a live show instead of mixes and b-sides for albums up to Controversy) and end it with a box set with one show for each of his tours (well, up to the SoTT tour, Lovesexy is where he fell of his pedestal for me), that would cement his place in history and give him something to be proud of.

But it's a pipe dream.

never ceases to amaze me how finicky some of you are. If he plays some of his brilliant backlog that no one has heard or all new material he alienates, if he plays his old superhits he loses too. Out of the 30 or whatever something albums he's released, some people seem to think he never did anything past Purple Rain, that's a horrible insult to much of his work, some of us like much of his other work.You don't and I accept that but I've always wanted to hear his new albums. i don't want to hear Stevie's new album, Bruce's new stuff is hit and miss, even more than Prince, who else is there really? Prince has spoiled us and set the bar impossibly high, he can't win. Well, you can always go with the justin biebers.

[Edited 4/9/11 20:53pm]

MattyJam said:

funkaholic1972 said:

On every Prince album I was always able to find something that i liked, but NON of the 36 tracks on "Emancipation" did anything for me. To this day my opinion has never changed. What a waste of "freedom" that album was...

Face Down? In This Bed I Scream??

Or Joint 2 Joint, Curious Dhild, Courting Time? On and on, I think some of you fans were just getting old at that point too, music isn't the same after your teen years, maybe it's you. Maybe he could have interchanged a million other of his songs with Purple Rain or When Doves Cry and they all would have done well at that time, who knows.

[Edited 4/9/11 20:55pm]

I'll say it once again, just for the heck of it:

DIRTY MIND is the best album of his career. He would later make different/more famous albums, but he never made a better/more defining one.

JoeTyler said:

I'll say it once again, just for the heck of it:

DIRTY MIND is the best album of his career. He would later make different/more famous albums, but he never made a better/more defining one.

not for everyone, some people, myself included, never really thought much was on it worth listening too, but you are correct, imagewise and artwise it was the crucial album which freed him up for the others.

I love u Prince, but here goes:

EMANCIPATION is your most horrible album.

ELIXIR is your best protege effort.

SOTT & 1999 are boring albums.

Im sick, sick, SICK of ADORE. I could never hear it again and be happy.

MPLSSound kicks my ass, its so good.

is danceable and fun!

THE VAULT is an awesome album.

LOVESIGN is a GREAT duet.

Under The Cherry Moon is better than Purple Rain.

Your music sounds better when your going thru some sort of personal drama.

For someone who once said "Money dont matter tonite, it sure didnt matter yesterday", you seem to be the biggest hypocrite.

OK, got that all out...I remember what you said Prince "To all the haters on the internet, somebodies looking at you!" PLEASE DONT TAKE MY CANDY AWAY!!!

novabrkr said:

- Purple Rain is his best album.

- Several songs that ended up on Graffiti Bridge should have been on SOTT.

Those two are not controversial.

802 said:

novabrkr said:

- Purple Rain is his best album.

- Several songs that ended up on Graffiti Bridge should have been on SOTT.

Those two are not controversial.

Your statement concerning the lack of controversy over Purple Rain is itself controversial. There is less controversy over how good Controversy is (although the song "Controversy" is perhaps less controversial than the album Controversy).

It is a controversial thing to state if you're a music snob like me.

... and @ SEANMAN's comment on "Raspberry Beret".

Everything's controversial with you mothertruckers.

I keed I keed.

vitriol said:

chelsearodgerslovesya said:

Or love songs that were written for Mayte e.g The Holy River, La,La,La Means I Love U or Betcha by Golly, Wow?

I never knew that The Delfonics and The Stylistics had written songs for Mayte...

Especially when she wasn't even born when either song was released...

Yep, we got well informed people here.

Wow..LOL. Chelsea must be very young.

chelsearodgerslovesya said:

JoeTyler said:

Jam of the Year. In This Bed I Scream. Get Yo Groove On. Somebody's Someone.

even Face Down?! Or love songs that were written for Mayte e.g The Holy River, La,La,La Means I Love U or Betcha by Golly, Wow?

Emancipation is my third best album.

Those are covers...

NouveauDance said:

MattyJam said:

Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic is a much better album than The Gold Experience and fans only rag on it due to it not having achieved it's commercial potential.

My hatred is everflowing, and completely unrelated to commercial success, or lack of.

I will single handedly champion the merits of that album till my dying day....

^Well, your avatar reflects you're not exactly worried about quality...

Controversial opinion:

On the org, controversial opinions are like the assholes of the anal retentive:

Everybody takes pride in having one.

What Prince predicted in "The War" is actually coming true.

We are not at the point of having microchips in our necks yet, but we are increasingly (and willingly) signing ourselves up to be tracked 24-7.

Think about it:

- Cellphones can pinpoint your exact location

- Vehicle features like OnStar can pinpoint your exact location and can track where you've driven

- Credit/debit cards track your purchase history

- Store membership "reward points" cards (Best Buy, Kroger, etc.) go one step further to track purchases that are made in cash

- Cashiers finally ask for phone numbers to even further track purchases where no store cards or reward cards are used

- Facebook and Twitter have a function where you "check in" to restaurants, theaters, etc. so people can see where you are (in return, you rack up virtual reward points)

So somewhere there is data on where you've been, what you've bought, what you've said and who you've associated with. Each of these seem pretty harmless -- on their own -- but when combined it seems like Big Brother. And it's all VOLUNTARY.

The day that microchips are made available in exchange for admission into the underground metropolis, the idea is going to be much more widely accepted than you'd like to think.

Which would you choose? Stay free and disconnected while battling it out for survival above ground, or get microchipped (harmless and not too different from the above items) and get to live a "comfortable" life underground?

Se7en said:

What Prince predicted in "The War" is actually coming true.

We are not at the point of having microchips in our necks yet, but we are increasingly (and willingly) signing ourselves up to be tracked 24-7.

Think about it:

- Cellphones can pinpoint your exact location

- Vehicle features like OnStar can pinpoint your exact location and can track where you've driven

- Credit/debit cards track your purchase history

- Store membership "reward points" cards (Best Buy, Kroger, etc.) go one step further to track purchases that are made in cash

- Cashiers finally ask for phone numbers to even further track purchases where no store cards or reward cards are used

- Facebook and Twitter have a function where you "check in" to restaurants, theaters, etc. so people can see where you are (in return, you rack up virtual reward points)

So somewhere there is data on where you've been, what you've bought, what you've said and who you've associated with. Each of these seem pretty harmless -- on their own -- but when combined it seems like Big Brother. And it's all VOLUNTARY.

The day that microchips are made available in exchange for admission into the underground metropolis, the idea is going to be much more widely accepted than you'd like to think.

Which would you choose? Stay free and disconnected while battling it out for survival above ground, or get microchipped (harmless and not too different from the above items) and get to live a "comfortable" life underground?

:-

Great comment.

irreverence said:

Controversial opinion:

On the org, controversial opinions are like the assholes of the anal retentive:

Everybody takes pride in having one.

The 2009 version of In A Large Room With No Light is Fantastic.

ParanoidAndroid said:

Michael Jackson is overrated

Se7en said:

What Prince predicted in "The War" is actually coming true.

I'm pretty sure that implantable microchips were a technology being written about in the very early 90s. I think just Prince reads newspapers/tech articles.

Prince sounded way better live in 2007 than he does now. Sure the Cora+Josh band really overstayed their welcome, but in 2007 they hit their stride and were an awesome band. It was right around Coachella that they started to become stale.

Montreux was the last time I listened to a Prince show and remembered why I call him my favorite artist. His current live shows are boring me to tears to watch and listen to. I think I shouldn't see him if he comes to MN with the Welcome To America setlists because I'm worried I would be disappointed again.

There are much better live acts out there than Prince nowadays.

NouveauDance said:

Se7en said:

What Prince predicted in "The War" is actually coming true.

I'm pretty sure that implantable microchips were a technology being written about in the very early 90s. I think just Prince reads newspapers/tech articles.

Yeah, they've been a reality for quite some time. Hell, my dog has a microchip in her neck (literally).

The subject matter of being under government surveillance/control is what I was mostly referring to.

ParanoidAndroid said:

Michael Jackson is overrated

true enuf!

I'm right and you're all wrong

because my ass says so

This board is overrated.

I'm kidding of course.

But controversy is the selling point in the thread so I'll just say this in regards to Prince:

Prince was wrong for not including the LONG version of "Computer Blue" on "Purple Rain".

[Edited 4/10/11 14:56pm]

Timmy84 said:

This board is overrated.

I'm kidding of course.

But controversy is the selling point in the thread so I'll just say this in regards to Prince:

Prince was wrong for not including the LONG version of "Computer Blue" on "Purple Rain".

[Edited 4/10/11 14:56pm]

What do you think he should have cut? Purple Rain was about as long as a single album got in 1984 so you would have to drop a song to include the full version of "Computer Blue."