salaciousV said:

God,..the Judge is very clear on that one. that has nothing to do with people or Jehovah´s Witnesses.

If you have a problem with that i suggest that you complain to the one who is in charge and made us wifes as companion
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EmethEverywhere said:

Funny. I stand with the JWs in that I didnt believe that mess and I believe the govt is a conspiracy!

That said I believe there are weapons of mass destruction, here on our own soil by our own people.

Remember, all systems of things, government, religions etc. Usually have a hierachy and in trying to maintain power there is corruption. Im not saying JWs or Catholics or any other religion is corrupted, but it is run by humans and humans do bad stuff.

My best friend was JW and her family is to this day. When she left and was going through a very hard time (she was deathly ill) they couldnt speak to her because she was disfellowshiped (she had sex w/her bf) and was sorry for it but they were very mean to her so she left. When it turned out she had an etopic pregnancy and she was going to die her family because of the religion would not speak to her or come to the hospital.

I dont know how God's love is manifested anywhere in that.

EmethEverywhere said:

yeah google up threads people claiming to know her have written it and her "publicist".

Look for xtrafab on the org and shytown. They will tell you she's a JW as they have "ties" to her family or something or other.

EmethEverywhere said:

I dont have a problem with what God deemed right or righteous. I do have a problem with other people thinking they have the right to comment on someone else's lifestyle. Didnt jesus say something about removing a 2x4 from your own eye before you get the dirt out of someone elses?

Thats what I am talking about.

Im not gay. I dont know what its like to be "born gay" and every gay person I know says if they could be straight they would because life would be easier for them for all the prejuidices suffered.

Just like I cant help being born black. And I get judged every day, believe that.

salaciousV said:

you are right in every organisation there will be people who are corrupt or misbehave.

But Jehovah´s Witnesses are not like all those other organisation if it comes to earthly corruption. The reason for this is... we are not into politics,.. we dont vote nor do we nominate people to be elected for any public office on the world.

We dont lobby for things like abortion... weapon control, gay rights as many other organisations and religions do.

We dont... cause we ,.. like Jesus said... are no part of this world. We trust upon another kingdom.

So by non voting,... non election,... non lobbying ,...major corruption scandals that hurt the state... simply not our cup of tea, we like to keep our hands clean

That does not mean that individual believers among Jehovah´s witnesses can make mistakes,.. we are all human.

EmethEverywhere said:

Yeah...no. I think she meant that there may be corrupt individuals in your own organization.

salaciousV said:

Jehovahs witnesses have nothing against gays but they cant join the religion as practising gay. Like i said before thats not our rule thats Gods rule.

So Practising gay people cant become on of Jehovah´s Witnesses but we dont deny them the life they wanna live. If one wants to be gay ... its his or her descision.

sounds logic doesnt it?

Another thing.. we hate racism and have banned it from the beginning .. we think anyone is equal.

a recent study (july 2009) in the states revealed that Jehovah´s Witnesses have the most racially diverse followers,

°°°°°Jehovah's Witnesses and especially Muslims are among the most racially diverse religious traditions in the U.S.; less than half of each tradition is white (48% and 37%, respectively)°°°°°

http://pewforum.org/docs/?DocID=427

EmethEverywhere said:

Genesia said:

was a typo error

That does not mean that individual believers among Jehovah´s witnesses canT make mistakes,.. we are all human

Because he hasn't found the right dick yet.

PurpleMedley122 said:

Apparently its not dead enough yet Ot its just another excuse for church chat
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Because he loves to knock on doors and write his name on halls and swivel in loveseats!

EmethEverywhere said:

No, every other faith does not tell other faiths they are false. As far as being judgmental, other people may be on religion, but I choose not to be. I will not be so arrogant as to think my way is the only way. I love people of all faiths and non-faiths. If any faith believes theirs is the only one with a lock on the truth or the way to heaven, I feel they are full of it. No one knows what God will do and there are just as many good people who don't follow any faith as those who do.

As far the blood transfusion thing, save that hater line BS. I have no problem with why JWs don't do blood transfusions: that's on you guys but if I feel my kid needs one or I need one, I wouldn't think twice about doing it. There would be no crisis of conscious for me.

The blood transfusion is a tiny part. The hypocrisy of some of you and the one true faith thing is huge for me. Do your thing though.

I'm too stupid to follow all this.....

wow !!!!.. u know what is so sad about people on here

everyone is either mocking prince religions... and other people faiths too..


u know u shouldnt mock prince religion whatever faith he belongs to
and u shouldnt mock other faiths too...

tht is so sad abt everyone u think its clever to mock people in tht kind of way..
AS I SAY GOD SAYS DO NOT JUDGE PEOPLE OR PRINCE...
NEVER JUDGE ANYONE.....

tht is part of the commandments....DO NOT JUDGE.....

its good to see prince have a very strong faith and belive in GOD...

piccolo7 said:

In total agreement...once you are asking Prince not to judge too!!

Please confirm!!!!!

cuz he's ding dong with a problem with his shing bong

eireboy34 said:

l never mention abt prince not to judge where did tht come from ???

all lm saying is about other people who are mocking his religion !!!!! l wasnt talking about prince okay.....

Vendetta1 said:

You bring up very valid points. I myself studied and I also studied other doctrines within the Christian religion.

I choose to be and remain a non-denominational Christian. I will not split hairs with people or say to another Christian "You believe in a false teaching"

because it all boils down to this.... if you are a Christian, you believe that Jesus died and was resurrected on the third day, then you are a Christian. Not a Muslim or a Jew. Its simple as that.

And as far as Prince, if he is a Christian he is held to a higher standard than non believers, as such, if he ministers to others, then those he ministers to and brings to the Lord, he will be held accountable for what he teaches them and he is accountable to his brothers (and sisters) in Christ.

So ya, he will be held accountable and folks in his church will rip him a new one, and those he teaches to.... technically that would be all his listeners of his music since he uses his music to "preach" to others.

Being in ministry is NOT easy.

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paintedlady said:

That is your opinion. What does the bible say?

James 2:17Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. KJV

James 2:26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. KJV

James 1:[22] But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. [23] For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: [24] For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. [25] But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed. KJV


John 14:[12] Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also KJV




1 John 2:[3] And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. KJV

Matthew 7:[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. KJV

EmethEverywhere said:

It is assumed if you believe in the Christ then you are a Christian.
You will be held accountable for what you do in your walk as a Christian,
but when you get saved it is because you believe the Christ died for your sins.
That it is his blood that cleanses you not about "works done".

Its a clean slate once you are saved (acknowledge Christ as your savior)
from that point on you have to do your best to walk in the teaching that in in the bible to the best of your ability.

don't split hairs with me. Yes, its that simple.That is a fundamental teaching. Salvation comes from the knowledge of believing in Christ... not works done. Baptism is symbolic of the salvation received from accepting Jesus as your personal savior.

All the good work you do or "being a good person" will not save your soul. You must have faith that Jesus is the Savior. If you stray from teachings, you will be held accountable. Some of the scripture you quoted can also be interpreted about false prophecy. For example, my mom, who is a Christian, but also practices Santaria and calls that "Christianity". And her version of "doing works" is killing birds and praying to idols such as Santa Maira, San Pedro, etc..


and please explain to me what separates being a Christian from a Muslim or a Jew.
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paintedlady said:

Salvation by definition-

(1) Deliverance from evil or trouble; (2) the process by which God redeems His creation , completed through the life, death, and the resurrection of His Son Jesus Christ.


Psalm 62.... aww heck, I'll get back to you... too much scripture and this is a side point.

eireboy34 said:

Dont even try, u will need a nap and a tylenol by the end of it

chillichocaholic said:

paintedlady said:

First of all english is not my native language so keep that in mind when reading please


So in your previous post you made clear that you think that it does not matter how someone worships God as long as they believe that Jesus died for our sins and was raised again. In a follow up post you mention your mother, being a christian and doing dead chicken rites. I dont know the Santa stuff from my own experience cause we dont have that back here in europe. I am aware that it is practised in latin and carribean countries.

You even acknowledge that these things your mother does are not in line with the word of God , since you admit she prays to idols.


So what did you want to say? That its better to leave your mum practising her way and not telling her what God might think of it? Just in order to keep everyone happy , let them do there thing?

What would Jesus do you think? Should he make concessions like that and have said....

'Ohh what the hack,.. everyone can do whatever pleases them as long as they believe in me, go along Kill chickens?'


If that is the case,.. where do we have Gods word for?

i think that when it comes to ways of worshipping we have to let God decide what is the right way. In order to do so we have his word,.. the Bible.


I think you and I both agree that bleeding sacrificed chickens is not what Jesus and God had in mind when they told us to keep the commandments and do the will of the Almighty.

Jesus told us,.. "God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth.” John 4:24


So what is the truth,.. well if Jesus said we had to worship God with truth,.. it meant the truth can be found somewhere, because if there was no single truth ,.. this statement of Jesus would be useless and of no value.


So where is the truth?

King David said,.. "The substance of your word is truth" Psalms 119:160
And Jesus once more repeated that by saying,.. 'Sanctify them by means of the truth; your(Gods)word is truth.'John 17:17



So should we tell others about the truth, if the bible shows something is clearly wrong when at the same time we notice a sincere will in that person to worship God? Ofcourse ,.. the bible states numerous times that in such a case you'll have to. Its a commandment to preach and teach others about God and his purpose with humanity.

So is the bible the instrument to correct views and differences in opinion?

According to Gods word it is,..

"All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work." 2 timothy 3:16


So it has nothing to do with being judgemental,.. its simply doing Gods will by informing the people of the truth. In the end this is what most important since Jesus commanded us to worship God with 'Truth'

once Jesus said to the people of his time....

"‘This people honors me with their lips, yet their heart is far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshiping me, because they teach commands of men as doctrines.’” Matth 15:8-9


in this time,. nothing has changed.. we must look for Gods truth which can be found in the bible.

Like solomon said,.." Trust in Jehovah with all your heart and do not lean upon your own understanding. In all your ways take notice of him, and he himself will make your paths straight." Proverbs 3:5-6


So i wont split hairs with you but what you and I or any other person thinks of religion, faith and spirituality does not really matter, since we are not entitled to say how things must be done. Only the God that is to be worshipped can do that.

And that is exactly what God did, in his Word the bible,.. in full detail, crystal clear. It can be that it is not the most popular way of life that all of us are asked to live,.. or the easiest path,.. but you and i and everyone with a bit of bibleknowledge know that Jesus warned us for that. during all times Gods friends had to withstand the rest of the world.




regards Emeth


Ps. Islam is a false religion. Not hosted by the Almighty God. (i studied islam for 15 yrs)

The nation of Israel once belonged to God,.. but they still cant get it that he rejected this nation 2000 years ago, after they had ignored him , and came up with a new covenant and a nation gathered from all nations on earth.
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EmethEverywhere¤ said:





I don't think so. If you pay taxes to your government you're just as culpable as the rest of us.

If you truly believe yourselves to be "not of this world" why are you using the internet? Why not live your lives more like the Armish?

HoneyB said:

You are clearly overlooking some important facts and commands by Jesus himself...

Like this one on paying taxes,..


Jesus then said: “Pay back Caesar’s things to Caesar, but God’s things to God.” And they began to marvel at him. Matth 12:17


or this one by Paul about authorities

"Let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities, for there is no authority except by God; the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God. 2 Therefore he who opposes the authority has taken a stand against the arrangement of God; those who have taken a stand against it will receive judgment to themselves." Romans 13:1-2


about your internet and amish thing

Being no part of this world is not meant that litterally like you interpretated it,,. we can use all things that are not against Gods law. As long as we keep a healthy balance.


Being an amish with horse and wagon without modern technology would prevent us from doing what God commanded us. To spread the truth over all the inhabited earth,.. even the remote corners of it. God is not against progress or invention or technology. In some cases he is against how humans (ab)use such things.
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piccolo7 said:

Why? People make fun of everything else Prince does - so why not his religion? it's just another way 2 express your opinion

Wouaouh! (apologize for my poor english)

you american people seem to have a real problem with religion.
You always talk about that. And the most strange for me , French girl, is when you mix it up with politics. It becomes like darkness to me, lol!

In France we never talk about religion, and there is no mixity between government and faith. And it's perfect like this.
And we don't mind whether you're catholic, islamique, or boudhiste.
(not JW, it's illegal in France, as well as scientologs, or other sects like that)

regards!

vivelafrance said:

Ni Dieu Ni L'Etat...