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Thread started 06/28/09 2:07pm

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Prince & Miles Davis - Crucial

Can you share your thoughts about this bootleg? I have it just today (my first Prince bootleg!) and I'm curious how do you feel about this record..The first thing I've noticed is the changing quality between some songs. Why Prince or someone else added more songs not included on the released version?
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Reply #1 posted 06/28/09 2:11pm

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zaza said:

Can you share your thoughts about this bootleg?

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Reply #2 posted 06/28/09 2:12pm

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I believe it's Eric Leeds not Miles Davis ?
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Reply #3 posted 06/28/09 2:21pm

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I believe it's Eric Leeds not Miles Davis ?

It's called "Prince with M.Davis & Friends", recorded live at Paisley Studios during rehearsal in february 1989 wink
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Reply #4 posted 06/28/09 3:43pm

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zaza said:

thedance said:

I believe it's Eric Leeds not Miles Davis ?

It's called "Prince with M.Davis & Friends", recorded live at Paisley Studios during rehearsal in february 1989 wink

None of the material on the bootleg comes from a Paisley Park reherasal in February 1989

Most of the material features outtake recordings from Prince, but does not feature MIles Davis.

One of those tracks, 'Can I Play With U?' was intended for a possible collaboration:

http://www.dtt-lyrics.com...A-Z.html#C

One track (usually referred to on bootlegs incorrectly as 'The H Man') is Miles Davis' recording of 'Amandla'. It does not include Prince.
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Reply #5 posted 06/28/09 3:46pm

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I love the song, "Crucial." The version on "Crystal Ball," is the only one I am familiar with.

It's romantic and sweet, and feels like a lover's urgent call to their mate. cool
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Reply #6 posted 06/29/09 8:49pm

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The only known studio recording to feature both Miles Davis and Prince is "Can I Play With U".
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Reply #7 posted 06/29/09 11:27pm

chewymusic

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langebleu said:


One track (usually referred to on bootlegs incorrectly as 'The H Man') is Miles Davis' recording of 'Amandla'. It does not include Prince.

yeah man I used to love it when I thought that was a Prince/Miles
song lol I would play it for ppl all the time excitingly explaining
how it was Prince & Miles unreleased lol Then years later finding out
that it was a track (Title track no less) of a Miles Davis album and
has nothing to do with Prince! doh!
Thanks bootleggers!
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Reply #8 posted 06/29/09 11:35pm

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The only known studio recording to feature both Miles Davis and Prince is "Can I Play With U".


That's not entirely true. There's also "Sticky Wicked" from Chaka Khan's CK album (so you could say this is the only released track to feature both Miles and Prince, as "Can I Play With U" was never released.)
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Reply #9 posted 06/29/09 11:54pm

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love that boot
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Reply #10 posted 06/30/09 1:58am

zaza

Tame said:

I love the song, "Crucial." The version on "Crystal Ball," is the only one I am familiar with.

It's romantic and sweet, and feels like a lover's urgent call to their mate. cool

On this boot there's extended version of Crucial with amazing guitar solo in the end guitar Haven't heard CB version yet.
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Reply #11 posted 06/30/09 2:01am

zaza

Does anybody know why the non-boot songs were added, for example Power Fantastic and LastHeart?
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Reply #12 posted 06/30/09 2:55am

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zaza said:

Does anybody know why the non-boot songs were added, for example Power Fantastic and LastHeart?

They were still unreleased when this CD was put out, it's a very old bootleg.
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Reply #13 posted 06/30/09 3:44am

zaza

NouveauDance said:

zaza said:

Does anybody know why the non-boot songs were added, for example Power Fantastic and LastHeart?

They were still unreleased when this CD was put out, it's a very old bootleg.

Did he re-record them? Because, you know, in my pc Power Fantastic is tagged as it is from "The Hits 3 (1993)" and LastHeart "The Short Album (2007)", both weren't included on the released version. And the quality on both of them is normal, not bootleg..
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Reply #14 posted 06/30/09 5:21am

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zaza said:

NouveauDance said:


They were still unreleased when this CD was put out, it's a very old bootleg.

Did he re-record them? Because, you know, in my pc Power Fantastic is tagged as it is from "The Hits 3 (1993)" and LastHeart "The Short Album (2007)", both weren't included on the released version. And the quality on both of them is normal, not bootleg..

No, they're not re-recorded.
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Reply #15 posted 06/30/09 9:47pm

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zaza said:

Can you share your thoughts about this bootleg? I have it just today (my first Prince bootleg!) and I'm curious how do you feel about this record..The first thing I've noticed is the changing quality between some songs. Why Prince or someone else added more songs not included on the released version?
[Edited 6/28/09 14:18pm]


Prince bootlegs are, and have always been unauthorized releases. The quality varies from song to song because these are not singular projects and the sources vary. One song can be culled from a first generation tape, while the next one may have only been available from a well-worn tape of a tape of a tape. Information that accompany bootlegs (especially in the early days) can be quite misleading, as is the case with the Miles davis mention on Crucial. It's the black-market, you gets what you gets.

I bought the Crucial CD boot many years ago when it was one of the only studio outtake discs around. There are updated versions of Crucial on the web that have been tweaked and/or sourced from better material.

Outtake-wise, a person with a lot of patience can get a comprehensive 35+ CD collection in lossless quality by downloading sets like The Work or Work It. There are also lossy sets like Testament and The iVault.

Then, you can concentrate on finding the live stuff.
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Reply #16 posted 06/30/09 10:32pm

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squirrelgrease said:

zaza said:

Can you share your thoughts about this bootleg? I have it just today (my first Prince bootleg!) and I'm curious how do you feel about this record..The first thing I've noticed is the changing quality between some songs. Why Prince or someone else added more songs not included on the released version?
[Edited 6/28/09 14:18pm]


Prince bootlegs are, and have always been unauthorized releases. The quality varies from song to song because these are not singular projects and the sources vary. One song can be culled from a first generation tape, while the next one may have only been available from a well-worn tape of a tape of a tape. Information that accompany bootlegs (especially in the early days) can be quite misleading, as is the case with the Miles davis mention on Crucial. It's the black-market, you gets what you gets.

I bought the Crucial CD boot many years ago when it was one of the only studio outtake discs around. There are updated versions of Crucial on the web that have been tweaked and/or sourced from better material.

Outtake-wise, a person with a lot of patience can get a comprehensive 35+ CD collection in lossless quality by downloading sets like The Work or Work It. There are also lossy sets like Testament and The iVault.

Then, you can concentrate on finding the live stuff.


A good live set is 'Xenophobia.'
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Reply #17 posted 06/30/09 11:04pm

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SUPRMAN said:

squirrelgrease said:



Prince bootlegs are, and have always been unauthorized releases. The quality varies from song to song because these are not singular projects and the sources vary. One song can be culled from a first generation tape, while the next one may have only been available from a well-worn tape of a tape of a tape. Information that accompany bootlegs (especially in the early days) can be quite misleading, as is the case with the Miles davis mention on Crucial. It's the black-market, you gets what you gets.

I bought the Crucial CD boot many years ago when it was one of the only studio outtake discs around. There are updated versions of Crucial on the web that have been tweaked and/or sourced from better material.

Outtake-wise, a person with a lot of patience can get a comprehensive 35+ CD collection in lossless quality by downloading sets like The Work or Work It. There are also lossy sets like Testament and The iVault.

Then, you can concentrate on finding the live stuff.


A good live set is 'Xenophobia.'


I was there at the 2002 Celebration. I can't bring myself to acquire the Xenophobia boots. I don't want to taint my memories. Is that weird?
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Reply #18 posted 07/01/09 12:22am

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Reply #19 posted 07/01/09 12:24am

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^ oh shit, is that against the rules?!
I should know this too dunce
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Reply #20 posted 07/01/09 12:52am

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Mine has a different cover (not surprisingly) - it's very old.

It has a song marked "Welcome 2 the Rat Race" which everyone appears to refer to as "In a large room with no light" - is one or the other verified as the definitive title?
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Reply #21 posted 07/01/09 2:08am

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wasitgood4u said:

Mine has a different cover (not surprisingly) - it's very old.

It has a song marked "Welcome 2 the Rat Race" which everyone appears to refer to as "In a large room with no light" - is one or the other verified as the definitive title?

'In A Large Room With No Light' is the correct title.

Mine has a slightly different cover too, same pic, but further out with a purple border.
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Reply #22 posted 07/01/09 2:17am

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squirrelgrease said:

SUPRMAN said:



A good live set is 'Xenophobia.'


I was there at the 2002 Celebration. I can't bring myself to acquire the Xenophobia boots. I don't want to taint my memories. Is that weird?



that's not weird.... but I would love to re-live the last night when Sheila played ! that was the best week I ever could imagine Minority report holds a special place ( even though the movie was bad) Prince said ya like the movie how many of y'all found it strange raise your hand...he said I'm in that category lol (paraphrased of course). lol
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Reply #23 posted 07/01/09 2:33am

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utopia7 said:

squirrelgrease said:



I was there at the 2002 Celebration. I can't bring myself to acquire the Xenophobia boots. I don't want to taint my memories. Is that weird?



that's not weird.... but I would love to re-live the last night when Sheila played ! that was the best week I ever could imagine Minority report holds a special place ( even though the movie was bad) Prince said ya like the movie how many of y'all found it strange raise your hand...he said I'm in that category lol (paraphrased of course). lol


Sheila was awesome that night. Going to a movie with Prince was so surreal.
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Reply #24 posted 07/01/09 4:03am

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utopia7 said:




that's not weird.... but I would love to re-live the last night when Sheila played ! that was the best week I ever could imagine Minority report holds a special place ( even though the movie was bad) Prince said ya like the movie how many of y'all found it strange raise your hand...he said I'm in that category lol (paraphrased of course). lol


Sheila was awesome that night. Going to a movie with Prince was so surreal.
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Reply #25 posted 07/01/09 5:59am

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i love crucial
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Reply #28 posted 07/01/09 11:03am

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NouveauDance said:


'In A Large Room With No Light' is the correct title.



I assumed so, but what's the reference? How do we know?
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Reply #29 posted 07/01/09 11:12am

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wasitgood4u said:

NouveauDance said:


'In A Large Room With No Light' is the correct title.



I assumed so, but what's the reference? How do we know?


Eric Leeds has called it that in an interview. Actually, he referred to it as "Looking For A Penny In A Large Room With No Light".
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