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Reply #780 posted 03/14/18 5:36pm

cloveringold85

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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It's wishful thinking, but Kirky's not gonna say anything that would be negative towards Prince. He's not gonna address all the rumors.

Because he's loyal which is something I live by. A person that is loyal will have your back no matter what. Prince knew that about Kirky J..

Which was my response to Vashtix(which btw is my aunts name and a name that appeared in the credits for the 3xplatinum album 1999 my favorite P album). Prince did have a person he told EVERYTHING to . Kirk knew exactly what Prince was going through. Even on the plane to Moline. Kirk was the one that told the paramedics why Prince was unconscious.When Judith went to get him.

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Kirk's loyalty to Prince: Was it loyalty, or enabling? confused

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #781 posted 03/14/18 6:05pm

ChocolateBox31
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cloveringold85 said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Because he's loyal which is something I live by. A person that is loyal will have your back no matter what. Prince knew that about Kirky J..

Which was my response to Vashtix(which btw is my aunts name and a name that appeared in the credits for the 3xplatinum album 1999 my favorite P album). Prince did have a person he told EVERYTHING to . Kirk knew exactly what Prince was going through. Even on the plane to Moline. Kirk was the one that told the paramedics why Prince was unconscious.When Judith went to get him.

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Kirk's loyalty to Prince: Was it loyalty, or enabling? confused

Kirk really loved Prince. To have remained loyal to him for ALL those YEARS. Longer than ANY other associate even BOTH their ex wives! For Prince to trust him to put those prescriptions in his name and making HIM his Paisley Park head manager,bodyguard,drummer,remix engineer,producer,dancer,fitness instructor and BEST MAN of his first marriage. It had to be a unbreakable bond. I imagine anyone in that position would have done anything Prince wanted.

Plus Kirk has remained loyal even in Prince's passing.

loy·al·ty
ˈloiəltē/
noun
  1. the quality of being loyal to someone or something.
    "her loyalty to her husband of 34 years"
    • a strong feeling of support or allegiance.
      plural noun: loyalties
      "fights with in-laws are distressing because they cause divided loyalties"
      synonyms: allegiance, faithfulness, obedience, adherence, homage, devotion;
      steadfastness, staunchness, trueheartedness, dependability, reliability, trustworthiness, duty, dedication, commitment;
      patriotism;
      historicalfealty
      "my grandparents never doubted each other's loyalty"

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"That mountain top situation is not really what it's all cracked up 2 B when eye was doing the Purple Rain tour eye had a lot of people who eye knew eye'll never c again @ the concerts.just screamin n places they thought they was suppose 2 scream."prince
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Reply #782 posted 03/14/18 8:33pm

purplefam99

When a true friendship exists loyalty and enabling are
Comingled And hard to differentiate.
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Reply #783 posted 03/14/18 9:37pm

MonaLiza

laurarichardson said:



MonaLiza said:


laurarichardson said:


It means people are going to get it and the saying is comparing "heads rolling as if a guillotine came down on them. I think she may know who Prince was speaking of as Jubilent Judas and he may have even known what assoicates were going to act a fool after he died.



If he wrote about this stuff to her it will provide more proof that he was ill which is what many fans are afraid of.



Some people when you talk to them although it's been a while it seems like not a day has passed. Let's say she was one of those people with P, do you still think he would have shared such intimate information with an associate that hadnt been around much in the last few years? I know there's been talk about her being at Paisley at one point but were they close like THAT, where she would have 'head rolling' information? Lol Maybe they were tight but I'm skeptical.

We have no idea who he communicated with. We are now finding out he communicated with Vanity up to 2012 per her brother in law.



Mark Brown said Apples told him Prince was sick. Tyka has told us she knew Prince was dying two years ahead via a e-mail and we now know he left directions for Paisley Park with many associates.



He also reached out to people he had not spoken to in sometime. Why would Apples be any different then any other associates? Not one single person on this board that has an issue with her will explain why he would not have spoken to her just like he did other associates.



Even Dez said he spoke to Prince in January and he will never disciuss what they talked about but no one questions Dez.



Tired of people on this board going after women assoicates because they do not like their boob jobs or just hate any women that were in Prince's orbit.





Me personally? I've always loved Apples boobs!!!! eek biggrin lol
I ain't f¥©king just for kicks!
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Reply #784 posted 03/15/18 2:11am

GrayDorian

purplefam99 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I angers me that Prince did not tell anyone he was hurting. Everyone in his camp seem clueless as to what was really going on with Prince. I almost have to wonder if Prince was even abusing prescription pain pills at all. All of this shit is utterly confusing!!

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On the other hand, I think he kept his enablers around, and those who would have helped him and gave him some tough love -- he kept away.

it would seem at this point if privacy is what he valued in friendship then we need really look no further than to the ones who are being the most silent. maybe those are the people we are pounding on but are in fact being true to their friend. Maybe we are sad about him having no friends in vain. His Private relationships. and i am betting he didn't need more than 3 to fill this

need. it is crazy all of it.

I may be completely mistaken, but I believe that Prince really valued his privacy, and that his friends who love him so dearly have shown their continued devotion to him by respecting this.

Just about all of them have been in the firing line here at some point since Prince's passing, yet as far as I am aware, many of them have conducted themselves with dignity and haven't said a bad word about Prince, or betrayed his trust in them.



It's heartbreaking to have lost Prince so suddenly and prematurely, but I don't feel entirely miserable about his personal life, because I believe he would have been only too aware that he was greatly loved and cherished by his nearest & dearest friends and loved ones. Hopefully I'd like to think that for most of the time he was able to enjoy our love and support too over the years.

As for Apples' book, I'm keeping an open mind, and hoping that she has only the best of intentions in writing it.

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Reply #785 posted 03/15/18 4:18am

anangellooksdo
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GrayDorian said:



purplefam99 said:




cloveringold85 said:



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I angers me that Prince did not tell anyone he was hurting. Everyone in his camp seem clueless as to what was really going on with Prince. I almost have to wonder if Prince was even abusing prescription pain pills at all. All of this shit is utterly confusing!!


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On the other hand, I think he kept his enablers around, and those who would have helped him and gave him some tough love -- he kept away.





it would seem at this point if privacy is what he valued in friendship then we need really look no further than to the ones who are being the most silent. maybe those are the people we are pounding on but are in fact being true to their friend. Maybe we are sad about him having no friends in vain. His Private relationships. and i am betting he didn't need more than 3 to fill this


need. it is crazy all of it.




I may be completely mistaken, but I believe that Prince really valued his privacy, and that his friends who love him so dearly have shown their continued devotion to him by respecting this.

Just about all of them have been in the firing line here at some point since Prince's passing, yet as far as I am aware, many of them have conducted themselves with dignity and haven't said a bad word about Prince, or betrayed his trust in them.





It's heartbreaking to have lost Prince so suddenly and prematurely, but I don't feel entirely miserable about his personal life, because I believe he would have been only too aware that he was greatly loved and cherished by his nearest & dearest friends and loved ones. Hopefully I'd like to think that for most of the time he was able to enjoy our love and support too over the years.

As for Apples' book, I'm keeping an open mind, and hoping that she has only the best of intentions in writing it.



I do feel sa PD that he didn’t have a partner, but I also feel very happy that he had such a full, rich life.
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Reply #786 posted 03/15/18 4:44am

GrayDorian

anangellooksdown said:

GrayDorian said:

I may be completely mistaken, but I believe that Prince really valued his privacy, and that his friends who love him so dearly have shown their continued devotion to him by respecting this.

Just about all of them have been in the firing line here at some point since Prince's passing, yet as far as I am aware, many of them have conducted themselves with dignity and haven't said a bad word about Prince, or betrayed his trust in them.



It's heartbreaking to have lost Prince so suddenly and prematurely, but I don't feel entirely miserable about his personal life, because I believe he would have been only too aware that he was greatly loved and cherished by his nearest & dearest friends and loved ones. Hopefully I'd like to think that for most of the time he was able to enjoy our love and support too over the years.

As for Apples' book, I'm keeping an open mind, and hoping that she has only the best of intentions in writing it.

I do feel sa PD that he didn’t have a partner, but I also feel very happy that he had such a full, rich life.

I may very well be mistaken but I think I recall it being reported that Judith had informed the authorities that she was Prince's girlfriend (possibly after the Moline incident?).

Again, I may be completely wrong there, but, if correct, Judith comes across well to me, and I'm sure I wouldn't be alone in finding it nice & comforting, and reassuring to know that Prince was all luvved up latterly, though I suspect perhaps one or two of the more jealous-natured among us may beg to differ. It's none of our business of course, but it's a nice thought. wink

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Reply #787 posted 03/15/18 5:14am

GrayDorian

ChocolateBox3121 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Kirk's loyalty to Prince: Was it loyalty, or enabling? confused

Kirk really loved Prince. To have remained loyal to him for ALL those YEARS. Longer than ANY other associate even BOTH their ex wives! For Prince to trust him to put those prescriptions in his name and making his Paisley Park head manager,bodyguard,drummer,remix engineer,producer,dancer,fitness instructor and BEST MAN of his first marriage. It had to be a unbreakable bond. I imagine anyone in that position would have done anything Prince wanted.

Plus Kirk has remained loyal even in Prince's passing.

loy·al·ty
ˈloiəltē/
noun
  1. the quality of being loyal to someone or something.
    "her loyalty to her husband of 34 years"
    • a strong feeling of support or allegiance.
      plural noun: loyalties
      "fights with in-laws are distressing because they cause divided loyalties"
      synonyms: allegiance, faithfulness, obedience, adherence, homage, devotion;
      steadfastness, staunchness, trueheartedness, dependability, reliability, trustworthiness, duty, dedication, commitment;
      patriotism;
      historicalfealty
      "my grandparents never doubted each other's loyalty"

Imho, a good answer.

Yup, Kirk is Prince's bestie and reliable 'right hand man', so to speak.

I am certain that he has done his very best to help his best friend through his hour of need, and will continue to bat for Prince on a daily basis, allowing us to rest assured that he is taking care of business for Prince at Paisley Park.

I've no doubt that Kirk will always love Prince dearly, and I'm sure that's a reciprocal love too.

I'm impressed by the continued devotion he shows for Prince, and also hugely grateful that Prince had such a faithful friend upon whom he could rely and with whom he could share with over so many years.

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Reply #788 posted 03/15/18 8:01am

purplefam99

GrayDorian said:

purplefam99 said:

it would seem at this point if privacy is what he valued in friendship then we need really look no further than to the ones who are being the most silent. maybe those are the people we are pounding on but are in fact being true to their friend. Maybe we are sad about him having no friends in vain. His Private relationships. and i am betting he didn't need more than 3 to fill this

need. it is crazy all of it.

I may be completely mistaken, but I believe that Prince really valued his privacy, and that his friends who love him so dearly have shown their continued devotion to him by respecting this.

Just about all of them have been in the firing line here at some point since Prince's passing, yet as far as I am aware, many of them have conducted themselves with dignity and haven't said a bad word about Prince, or betrayed his trust in them.



It's heartbreaking to have lost Prince so suddenly and prematurely, but I don't feel entirely miserable about his personal life, because I believe he would have been only too aware that he was greatly loved and cherished by his nearest & dearest friends and loved ones. Hopefully I'd like to think that for most of the time he was able to enjoy our love and support too over the years.

As for Apples' book, I'm keeping an open mind, and hoping that she has only the best of intentions in writing it.

yes, gray i agree. perhaps my wording was confusing, that is what i was trying to say.^^

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Reply #789 posted 03/15/18 12:33pm

ChocolateBox31
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GrayDorian said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Kirk really loved Prince. To have remained loyal to him for ALL those YEARS. Longer than ANY other associate even BOTH their ex wives! For Prince to trust him to put those prescriptions in his name and making his Paisley Park head manager,bodyguard,drummer,remix engineer,producer,dancer,fitness instructor and BEST MAN of his first marriage. It had to be a unbreakable bond. I imagine anyone in that position would have done anything Prince wanted.

Plus Kirk has remained loyal even in Prince's passing.

loy·al·ty
ˈloiəltē/
noun
  1. the quality of being loyal to someone or something.
    "her loyalty to her husband of 34 years"
    • a strong feeling of support or allegiance.
      plural noun: loyalties
      "fights with in-laws are distressing because they cause divided loyalties"
      synonyms: allegiance, faithfulness, obedience, adherence, homage, devotion;
      steadfastness, staunchness, trueheartedness, dependability, reliability, trustworthiness, duty, dedication, commitment;
      patriotism;
      historicalfealty
      "my grandparents never doubted each other's loyalty"

Imho, a good answer.

Yup, Kirk is Prince's bestie and reliable 'right hand man', so to speak.

I am certain that he has done his very best to help his best friend through his hour of need, and will continue to bat for Prince on a daily basis, allowing us to rest assured that he is taking care of business for Prince at Paisley Park.

I've no doubt that Kirk will always love Prince dearly, and I'm sure that's a reciprocal love too.

I'm impressed by the continued devotion he shows for Prince, and also hugely grateful that Prince had such a faithful friend upon whom he could rely and with whom he could share with over so many years.

Thank U! I agree! But Kirk gets so much hate here. Just like Tyka.

"That mountain top situation is not really what it's all cracked up 2 B when eye was doing the Purple Rain tour eye had a lot of people who eye knew eye'll never c again @ the concerts.just screamin n places they thought they was suppose 2 scream."prince
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Reply #790 posted 03/15/18 1:08pm

cloveringold85

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Kirk's loyalty to Prince: Was it loyalty, or enabling? confused

Kirk really loved Prince. To have remained loyal to him for ALL those YEARS. Longer than ANY other associate even BOTH their ex wives! For Prince to trust him to put those prescriptions in his name and making HIM his Paisley Park head manager,bodyguard,drummer,remix engineer,producer,dancer,fitness instructor and BEST MAN of his first marriage. It had to be a unbreakable bond. I imagine anyone in that position would have done anything Prince wanted.

Plus Kirk has remained loyal even in Prince's passing.

loy·al·ty
ˈloiəltē/
noun
  1. the quality of being loyal to someone or something.
    "her loyalty to her husband of 34 years"
    • a strong feeling of support or allegiance.
      plural noun: loyalties
      "fights with in-laws are distressing because they cause divided loyalties"
      synonyms: allegiance, faithfulness, obedience, adherence, homage, devotion;
      steadfastness, staunchness, trueheartedness, dependability, reliability, trustworthiness, duty, dedication, commitment;
      patriotism;
      historicalfealty
      "my grandparents never doubted each other's loyalty"

[Edited 3/15/18 11:15am]

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From the outside, it may appear that Kirk and Prince were bossom buddies, but we really do not know all the complexities of their relationship. I think you can love someone too much and to the point where you are enabling them and actually doing more harm than good.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #791 posted 03/15/18 7:23pm

Mumio

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

GrayDorian said:

Imho, a good answer.

Yup, Kirk is Prince's bestie and reliable 'right hand man', so to speak.

I am certain that he has done his very best to help his best friend through his hour of need, and will continue to bat for Prince on a daily basis, allowing us to rest assured that he is taking care of business for Prince at Paisley Park.

I've no doubt that Kirk will always love Prince dearly, and I'm sure that's a reciprocal love too.

I'm impressed by the continued devotion he shows for Prince, and also hugely grateful that Prince had such a faithful friend upon whom he could rely and with whom he could share with over so many years.

Thank U! I agree! But Kirk gets so much hate here. Just like Tyka.



Agree with you both about all of it.


Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
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Reply #792 posted 03/15/18 7:58pm

purplerabbitho
le

Or you can be co-dependent--one formoney and job opportunties, one for someone who just agrees to do what you think you want and need. I really hope it is not that kind of relationshio but considering KJ's post death actions and inactions...at times, my mind goes that direction. Iguess his not defending his actions or inactions by blaming Prince is a good sign though. However, no one in the purple army has referred to KJ as P's best friend -- in fact, some seem to think that Prince had no "close" friends in the strictest definition of the word friend.

cloveringold85 said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Kirk really loved Prince. To have remained loyal to him for ALL those YEARS. Longer than ANY other associate even BOTH their ex wives! For Prince to trust him to put those prescriptions in his name and making HIM his Paisley Park head manager,bodyguard,drummer,remix engineer,producer,dancer,fitness instructor and BEST MAN of his first marriage. It had to be a unbreakable bond. I imagine anyone in that position would have done anything Prince wanted.

Plus Kirk has remained loyal even in Prince's passing.

loy·al·ty
ˈloiəltē/
noun
  1. the quality of being loyal to someone or something.
    "her loyalty to her husband of 34 years"
    • a strong feeling of support or allegiance.
      plural noun: loyalties
      "fights with in-laws are distressing because they cause divided loyalties"
      synonyms: allegiance, faithfulness, obedience, adherence, homage, devotion;
      steadfastness, staunchness, trueheartedness, dependability, reliability, trustworthiness, duty, dedication, commitment;
      patriotism;
      historicalfealty
      "my grandparents never doubted each other's loyalty"

[Edited 3/15/18 11:15am]

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From the outside, it may appear that Kirk and Prince were bossom buddies, but we really do not know all the complexities of their relationship. I think you can love someone too much and to the point where you are enabling them and actually doing more harm than good.

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Reply #793 posted 03/15/18 8:51pm

purplefam99

purplerabbithole said:

Or you can be co-dependent--one formoney and job opportunties, one for someone who just agrees to do what you think you want and need. I really hope it is not that kind of relationshio but considering KJ's post death actions and inactions...at times, my mind goes that direction. Iguess his not defending his actions or inactions by blaming Prince is a good sign though. However, no one in the purple army has referred to KJ as P's best friend -- in fact, some seem to think that Prince had no "close" friends in the strictest definition of the word friend.



cloveringold85 said:




ChocolateBox3121 said:



Kirk really loved Prince. To have remained loyal to him for ALL those YEARS. Longer than ANY other associate even BOTH their ex wives! For Prince to trust him to put those prescriptions in his name and making HIM his Paisley Park head manager,bodyguard,drummer,remix engineer,producer,dancer,fitness instructor and BEST MAN of his first marriage. It had to be a unbreakable bond. I imagine anyone in that position would have done anything Prince wanted.



Plus Kirk has remained loyal even in Prince's passing.





loy·al·ty


ˈloiəltē/


noun







  1. the quality of being loyal to someone or something.

    "her loyalty to her husband of 34 years"






    • a strong feeling of support or allegiance.

      plural noun: loyalties

      "fights with in-laws are distressing because they cause divided loyalties"

      synonyms: allegiance, faithfulness, obedience, adherence, homage, devotion;


      steadfastness, staunchness, trueheartedness, dependability, reliability, trustworthiness, duty, dedication, commitment;

      patriotism;

      historicalfealty


      "my grandparents never doubted each other's loyalty"

















[Edited 3/15/18 11:15am]



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From the outside, it may appear that Kirk and Prince were bossom buddies, but we really do not know all the complexities of their relationship. I think you can love someone too much and to the point where you are enabling them and actually doing more harm than good.








Can you elaborate on who in the purple army thought/said he had no
Friends in the strictest sense. I had never heard that anyone had spoken about this. Distance Outsiders yes but insiders??? Thx.
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Reply #794 posted 03/15/18 8:54pm

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cloveringold85 said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Kirk really loved Prince. To have remained loyal to him for ALL those YEARS. Longer than ANY other associate even BOTH their ex wives! For Prince to trust him to put those prescriptions in his name and making HIM his Paisley Park head manager,bodyguard,drummer,remix engineer,producer,dancer,fitness instructor and BEST MAN of his first marriage. It had to be a unbreakable bond. I imagine anyone in that position would have done anything Prince wanted.

Plus Kirk has remained loyal even in Prince's passing.

loy·al·ty
ˈloiəltē/
noun
  1. the quality of being loyal to someone or something.
    "her loyalty to her husband of 34 years"
    • a strong feeling of support or allegiance.
      plural noun: loyalties
      "fights with in-laws are distressing because they cause divided loyalties"
      synonyms: allegiance, faithfulness, obedience, adherence, homage, devotion;
      steadfastness, staunchness, trueheartedness, dependability, reliability, trustworthiness, duty, dedication, commitment;
      patriotism;
      historicalfealty
      "my grandparents never doubted each other's loyalty"

[Edited 3/15/18 11:15am]

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From the outside, it may appear that Kirk and Prince were bossom buddies, but we really do not know all the complexities of their relationship. I think you can love someone too much and to the point where you are enabling them and actually doing more harm than good.

That's very true! I've been in a situation like that.

"That mountain top situation is not really what it's all cracked up 2 B when eye was doing the Purple Rain tour eye had a lot of people who eye knew eye'll never c again @ the concerts.just screamin n places they thought they was suppose 2 scream."prince
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Reply #795 posted 03/15/18 9:27pm

purplerabbitho
le

Michael bland, Tommy B,Scotty Baldwin--said Prince had no longterm intimate friends but at times they felt close to Prince (they never referenced KJ), morris Hayes never called KJ Prince's friend. Hayes told Prince that he was his friend at one point and probably felt that way fo real but he also acknowledged that Prince had trust issues even with him and once you were out of the circle occupationally it was hard to reconnect to Prince personally (not always P's fault though due to the fame and tons of people around him.) Steve Parke (who was tight with P for a while when he worked with him but not a conventional friend once they parted ways workwise) stated that he felt sorry for KJ and said he was a good man and then on facebook another engineer of Prince's stated that it seemed unfair that KJ should get in trouble for doing his job becuase Prince was no victim. Male musicians don't seem to think of P as an intimate friend except for maybe Andre. He seems more like a boss/older brother/ or cousin they sometimes had fun with and sometimes bonded with over music, humor or geeky things. Women do think of him that way as a friend and even that is complicated obviously. Maybe women and men see friendship in a different way, but it is odd to me that only fans and the press have called KJ Prince's best friend that I have found. I have never found a quote from insiders to back that up. Insiders have stated that Larry Graham was a close friend of P's however;

purplefam99 said:

MMY B, purplerabbithole said:

Or you can be co-dependent--one formoney and job opportunties, one for someone who just agrees to do what you think you want and need. I really hope it is not that kind of relationshio but considering KJ's post death actions and inactions...at times, my mind goes that direction. Iguess his not defending his actions or inactions by blaming Prince is a good sign though. However, no one in the purple army has referred to KJ as P's best friend -- in fact, some seem to think that Prince had no "close" friends in the strictest definition of the word friend.

Can you elaborate on who in the purple army thought/said he had no Friends in the strictest sense. I had never heard that anyone had spoken about this. Distance Outsiders yes but insiders??? Thx.

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Reply #796 posted 03/15/18 11:52pm

MonaLiza

bondno9 said:



cloveringold85 said:




bondno9 said:




She made a comment I believe on FB last year (or maybe late '16) that inferred Prince had attempted to "block" Sheila's book and allegedly he had served her papers to that effect. I believe that's a major part of her "feelings." Apollonia hasdn't made kind comments about Sheila since P's death. What's even more interesting is that she supported Celebration 2017 and was close with OMAR. Now all of a sudden she's against it this year. Why??? because Sheila and Mayte are on the program.



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I don't think that Prince wanted Sheila writing that they were engaged. She published her book and Prince didn't sue her, but that doesn't mean he was okay with it. lol




Right! Thing is, Apollonia acts like P never said anything bad about her to others. In her mind she and P were BFF rolleyeso She did ONE movie with the man and was in A6 for .06 seconds (and then said adios to the P camp) BUT she knows everything rolleyes



Say it louder for the people in back!!!
I ain't f¥©king just for kicks!
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Reply #797 posted 03/16/18 9:28am

laurarichardso
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Michael bland, Tommy B,Scotty Baldwin

How would any of then know who the hell his friends were?

purplerabbithole said:

Michael bland, Tommy B,Scotty Baldwin--said Prince had no longterm intimate friends but at times they felt close to Prince (they never referenced KJ), morris Hayes never called KJ Prince's friend. Hayes told Prince that he was his friend at one point and probably felt that way fo real but he also acknowledged that Prince had trust issues even with him and once you were out of the circle occupationally it was hard to reconnect to Prince personally (not always P's fault though due to the fame and tons of people around him.) Steve Parke (who was tight with P for a while when he worked with him but not a conventional friend once they parted ways workwise) stated that he felt sorry for KJ and said he was a good man and then on facebook another engineer of Prince's stated that it seemed unfair that KJ should get in trouble for doing his job becuase Prince was no victim. Male musicians don't seem to think of P as an intimate friend except for maybe Andre. He seems more like a boss/older brother/ or cousin they sometimes had fun with and sometimes bonded with over music, humor or geeky things. Women do think of him that way as a friend and even that is complicated obviously. Maybe women and men see friendship in a different way, but it is odd to me that only fans and the press have called KJ Prince's best friend that I have found. I have never found a quote from insiders to back that up. Insiders have stated that Larry Graham was a close friend of P's however;

purplefam99 said:

MMY B, purplerabbithole said:

Can you elaborate on who in the purple army thought/said he had no Friends in the strictest sense. I had never heard that anyone had spoken about this. Distance Outsiders yes but insiders??? Thx.

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Reply #798 posted 03/16/18 10:12am

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laurarichardson said:

Michael bland, Tommy B,Scotty Baldwin

How would any of then know who the hell his friends were?

purplerabbithole said:

Michael bland, Tommy B,Scotty Baldwin--said Prince had no longterm intimate friends but at times they felt close to Prince (they never referenced KJ), morris Hayes never called KJ Prince's friend. Hayes told Prince that he was his friend at one point and probably felt that way fo real but he also acknowledged that Prince had trust issues even with him and once you were out of the circle occupationally it was hard to reconnect to Prince personally (not always P's fault though due to the fame and tons of people around him.) Steve Parke (who was tight with P for a while when he worked with him but not a conventional friend once they parted ways workwise) stated that he felt sorry for KJ and said he was a good man and then on facebook another engineer of Prince's stated that it seemed unfair that KJ should get in trouble for doing his job becuase Prince was no victim. Male musicians don't seem to think of P as an intimate friend except for maybe Andre. He seems more like a boss/older brother/ or cousin they sometimes had fun with and sometimes bonded with over music, humor or geeky things. Women do think of him that way as a friend and even that is complicated obviously. Maybe women and men see friendship in a different way, but it is odd to me that only fans and the press have called KJ Prince's best friend that I have found. I have never found a quote from insiders to back that up. Insiders have stated that Larry Graham was a close friend of P's however;

purplefam99 said:

MMY B, purplerabbithole said:

Exactly!

"That mountain top situation is not really what it's all cracked up 2 B when eye was doing the Purple Rain tour eye had a lot of people who eye knew eye'll never c again @ the concerts.just screamin n places they thought they was suppose 2 scream."prince
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Reply #799 posted 03/16/18 11:02am

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purplerabbithole said:

Or you can be co-dependent--one formoney and job opportunties, one for someone who just agrees to do what you think you want and need. I really hope it is not that kind of relationshio but considering KJ's post death actions and inactions...at times, my mind goes that direction. Iguess his not defending his actions or inactions by blaming Prince is a good sign though. However, no one in the purple army has referred to KJ as P's best friend -- in fact, some seem to think that Prince had no "close" friends in the strictest definition of the word friend.

cloveringold85 said:

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From the outside, it may appear that Kirk and Prince were bossom buddies, but we really do not know all the complexities of their relationship. I think you can love someone too much and to the point where you are enabling them and actually doing more harm than good.

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Very true. When you have things good, it's hard to break the bond of dysfunctional relationships. I was taken aback when Kirk went to Switzerland after his friend and business partner, Prince died. Maybe I'm being judgmental, but it was odd, to say the least. Just my perspective.

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I also don't believe that Prince had any real "close" friends. Tyka said "everyone knew", including "close friends" that Prince was dying -- yet, they do not seem to know much of anything about his passing. That to me, is not a close friend.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #800 posted 03/16/18 11:09am

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cloveringold85 said:

purplerabbithole said:

Or you can be co-dependent--one formoney and job opportunties, one for someone who just agrees to do what you think you want and need. I really hope it is not that kind of relationshio but considering KJ's post death actions and inactions...at times, my mind goes that direction. Iguess his not defending his actions or inactions by blaming Prince is a good sign though. However, no one in the purple army has referred to KJ as P's best friend -- in fact, some seem to think that Prince had no "close" friends in the strictest definition of the word friend.

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Very true. When you have things good, it's hard to break the bond of dysfunctional relationships. I was taken aback when Kirk went to Switzerland after his friend and business partner, Prince died. Maybe I'm being judgmental, but it was odd, to say the least. Just my perspective.

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I also don't believe that Prince had any real "close" friends. Tyka said "everyone knew", including "close friends" that Prince was dying -- yet, they do not seem to know much of anything about his passing. That to me, is not a close friend.

I believe Kirk was informed NOT to discuss any of Prince's personal business, involving the circumstances leading up to his transitioning with anyone until the investigation was complete. Which is why he booked to Switzerland. When he knew ALL eyes were on him.

"That mountain top situation is not really what it's all cracked up 2 B when eye was doing the Purple Rain tour eye had a lot of people who eye knew eye'll never c again @ the concerts.just screamin n places they thought they was suppose 2 scream."prince
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ChocolateBox3121 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Very true. When you have things good, it's hard to break the bond of dysfunctional relationships. I was taken aback when Kirk went to Switzerland after his friend and business partner, Prince died. Maybe I'm being judgmental, but it was odd, to say the least. Just my perspective.

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I also don't believe that Prince had any real "close" friends. Tyka said "everyone knew", including "close friends" that Prince was dying -- yet, they do not seem to know much of anything about his passing. That to me, is not a close friend.

I believe Kirk was informed NOT to discuss any of Prince's personal business, involving the circumstances leading up to his transitioning with anyone until the investigation was complete. Which is why he booked to Switzerland. When he knew ALL eyes were on him.

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I understand that Kirk could not say anything to the press, but why go to Switzerland, of all places? confused

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It's not only that, but other things as well, that I find odd about his behavior. For example, in his interviews, he did not seem emotionally upset, at all. He was actually smiling and laughing--maybe it was a nervous laugh? I dunno. confused

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cloveringold85 said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I believe Kirk was informed NOT to discuss any of Prince's personal business, involving the circumstances leading up to his transitioning with anyone until the investigation was complete. Which is why he booked to Switzerland. When he knew ALL eyes were on him.

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I understand that Kirk could not say anything to the press, but why go to Switzerland, of all places? confused

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It's not only that, but other things as well, that I find odd about his behavior. For example, in his interviews, he did not seem emotionally upset, at all. He was actually smiling and laughing--maybe it was a nervous laugh? I dunno. confused

I was put off by his behavior in that interview also .But everyone grieves differently(I mean Tyka LAUGHED her way through every interview she's done about her brothers death ) Also, I realized later that news correspondent TRICKED him and bombarded him with questions, that i'm sure he told her he WAS NOT discussing. That laugh was his surprise at her still asking those questions. What I will say is that he shouldn't have NEVER done that interview at all. It made him look bad.

About him going to Switzerland. I'm sure finding Prince like that was traumatizing to him. Since he worked at Paisley Park daily and was the closest to Prince. He may have needed to leave & go to a peaceful place to grieve. Without the press hounding him(although it did look sort of like a castaway exile).

I can see anyone's behavior being unusual after that happening. But Kirk knew what was going on with Prince. So he's more at peace with it just like Tyka & Andre.

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"That mountain top situation is not really what it's all cracked up 2 B when eye was doing the Purple Rain tour eye had a lot of people who eye knew eye'll never c again @ the concerts.just screamin n places they thought they was suppose 2 scream."prince
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ChocolateBox3121 said:



cloveringold85 said:




ChocolateBox3121 said:



I believe Kirk was informed NOT to discuss any of Prince's personal business, involving the circumstances leading up to his transitioning with anyone until the investigation was complete. Which is why he booked to Switzerland. When he knew ALL eyes were on him.



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I understand that Kirk could not say anything to the press, but why go to Switzerland, of all places? confused


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It's not only that, but other things as well, that I find odd about his behavior. For example, in his interviews, he did not seem emotionally upset, at all. He was actually smiling and laughing--maybe it was a nervous laugh? I dunno. confused




I was put off by his behavior in that interview also .But everyone grieves differently(I mean Tyka LAUGHED her way through every interview she's done about her brothers death ) Also, I realized later that news correspondent TRICKED him and bombarded him with questions, that i'm sure he told her he WAS NOT discussing. That laugh was his surprise at her still asking those questions. What I will say is that he shouldn't have NEVER done that interview at all. It made him look bad.




About him going to Switzerland. I'm sure finding Prince like that was traumatizing to him. Since he worked at Paisley Park daily and was the closest to Prince. He may needed to leave & go to a peaceful place to grieve. Without the press hounding him(although it did look sort of like a castaway exile).



I can see anyone's behavior being unusual after that happening. But Kirk knew what was going on with Prince. So he's more at peace with it just like Tyka & Andre.


I think they all know what was going on with Prince and are fine with it. We just do not know
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Reply #804 posted 03/16/18 6:11pm

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laurarichardson said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I was put off by his behavior in that interview also .But everyone grieves differently(I mean Tyka LAUGHED her way through every interview she's done about her brothers death ) Also, I realized later that news correspondent TRICKED him and bombarded him with questions, that i'm sure he told her he WAS NOT discussing. That laugh was his surprise at her still asking those questions. What I will say is that he shouldn't have NEVER done that interview at all. It made him look bad.

About him going to Switzerland. I'm sure finding Prince like that was traumatizing to him. Since he worked at Paisley Park daily and was the closest to Prince. He may needed to leave & go to a peaceful place to grieve. Without the press hounding him(although it did look sort of like a castaway exile).

I can see anyone's behavior being unusual after that happening. But Kirk knew what was going on with Prince. So he's more at peace with it just like Tyka & Andre.

I think they all know what was going on with Prince and are fine with it. We just do not know

Some of his friends seemed to not know.

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Reply #805 posted 03/16/18 7:30pm

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I have asked numerous times but no one has ever explained/nor answered where is the source that Kirk went to Switzerland?

Source puhleez.

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



I have asked numerous times but no one has ever explained/nor answered where is the source that Kirk went to Switzerland?

Source puhleez.



No direct mention of Switzerland here but it does say he left for a scheduled vacation right after the memorial service http://www.startribune.co...379538981/

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I understand that Kirk could not say anything to the press, but why go to Switzerland, of all places? confused

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It's not only that, but other things as well, that I find odd about his behavior. For example, in his interviews, he did not seem emotionally upset, at all. He was actually smiling and laughing--maybe it was a nervous laugh? I dunno. confused

I was put off by his behavior in that interview also .But everyone grieves differently(I mean Tyka LAUGHED her way through every interview she's done about her brothers death ) Also, I realized later that news correspondent TRICKED him and bombarded him with questions, that i'm sure he told her he WAS NOT discussing. That laugh was his surprise at her still asking those questions. What I will say is that he shouldn't have NEVER done that interview at all. It made him look bad.

About him going to Switzerland. I'm sure finding Prince like that was traumatizing to him. Since he worked at Paisley Park daily and was the closest to Prince. He may have needed to leave & go to a peaceful place to grieve. Without the press hounding him(although it did look sort of like a castaway exile).

I can see anyone's behavior being unusual after that happening. But Kirk knew what was going on with Prince. So he's more at peace with it just like Tyka & Andre.

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That's understandable. The interviewer was trying to dig for answers, and Kirk laughed because he probably told them up-front that he wasn't going to answer questions about Prince's death. Also, Kirk hired an attorney, and he wasn't allowed to talk about it. But, that interview did paint him in a bad light. He did say some things that upset me, as a Prince fan. When the interviewer said that the fans want to know what happened, Kirk responded, "That's their problem". I thought it was very insensitive and disprespectful.

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Kirk most definitely knew what was going on with Prince. Thus, why I think he was an enabler.

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pinkcashmere23 said:

laurarichardson said:

ChocolateBox3121 said: I think they all know what was going on with Prince and are fine with it. We just do not know

Some of his friends seemed to not know.

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Tyka said she told "everyone" and all of Prince's closest friends knew, but even Chazz doesn't seem to know what was going on with Prince. neutral

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cloveringold85 said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Some of his friends seemed to not know.

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Tyka said she told "everyone" and all of Prince's closest friends knew, but even Chazz doesn't seem to know what was going on with Prince. neutral

Chazz said he had no spoken directly to Prince since 1985 and he complained in the interview about how he was treated by Omarr at the funeral. Remember Chazz did interviews with C.J. He appears to have a big mouth and does appear to be the type you can trust with a secret. What I have noticed over the course of the last month or so is his quietness about the entire stituation.

I hope someone in the family told he what was going on he could have some closure. On the other hand if they told him something he would have told it by this time

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