endiadj said:

malbena said:

Then she got annulled, exiled and banned from PP. Pretty much tells me everything I need to know.

They were married early 96, when did the annullement happen?

http://family-law.lawyers...ulled.html

PrplGem said:

endiadj said:

malbena said:

I honestly can understand both sides. I really do. It transmits how much you all loved Prince! What is cool also is the mutual respect given between fans. There is no attack, no personal facts involved, and listening to one another. I appreciate this part of communication.

The book is out now. There is nothing else that can be done about it. Mayte' truth is out in the open.

What can be done though is former or current associates staying out of the public attack, retaliation, and bashing on social media. It only discredit them and actually pushes non- Mayte's fans to actually take her side....like I seem to be doing now.

Exactly! Mayte's truth! Prince is no longer here to tell his truth though, so it's up to those who loved him to defend his legacy, if they choose.

This is the part I agree on. He is not around to refute any claims one can make. In addition, the timing of the book release is questionable.

Again, the part I have a problem with is the reaction of former/current/even alledged associates. I don't mind reading this from fans as they speak from a fan's perspective.

malbena said:

endiadj said:

malbena said:

This is the part I agree on. He is not around to refute any claims one can make. In addition, the timing of the book release is questionable.

Again, the part I have a problem with is the reaction of former/current/even alledged associates. I don't mind reading this from fans as they speak from a fan's perspective.

But why are fans allowed to speak out against this book but the people who actually knew him personally shouldn't? Are you only critical of those opposed to the book or does this go for the likes of Shelby, etc., who've been supportive of Mayte?

Because they are public figures. It is unprofessional.

Weston said:

endiadj said:

Weston said: For what purpose? How about they see someone they loved being defamed so they are doing what they can to combat it. Will never respect that woman for waiting till Prince died to write this book then wanting it to come out on the anniversary of his death no less. She knew she wouldn't get away with half the stuff that was printed if Prince was here. That's why she waited 17 years and after he was gone. What a coward!

Defamed??? That is a matter of opinion. Not everyone feels that way...So, Apples should go public...make an ass out of herself...She is not in charge of other ppl and their choices. She needs to tend to her OWN business. P did not need her to defend him in life and sure does not need it now. What Mayte does is between Mayte and her choices. No one asked Apples to be the keeper of the flame. She is the coward...Come right out and make a public statement if she dares, or quite making comments on her social media pages...that she makes sure not EVERYONE can read. She is the coward. She is pathetic. and fans are disgusted....Period!

That is so easy to say when you are not the person, even post mortem whose reputation is now being associated with being a pedophile and drug addict. Mayte made her bed-she chose to commercially exploit her life with Prince for fame and money, now she gets to deal with the pushback from a lot of people who are now questioning the motives behind the "innocent-can-do-no-wrong" image.

endiadj said:

malbena said:

This is the part I agree on. He is not around to refute any claims one can make. In addition, the timing of the book release is questionable.

Again, the part I have a problem with is the reaction of former/current/even alledged associates. I don't mind reading this from fans as they speak from a fan's perspective.

But why are fans allowed to speak out against this book but the people who actually knew him personally shouldn't? Are you only critical of those opposed to the book or does this go for the likes of Shelby, etc., who've been supportive of Mayte?

I don't think fans look as petty. It really looks bad. And makes stereotypes of women amplified.

OldFriends4Sale said:

endiadj said:

malbena said: But why are fans allowed to speak out against this book but the people who actually knew him personally shouldn't? Are you only critical of those opposed to the book or does this go for the likes of Shelby, etc., who've been supportive of Mayte?

I don't think fans look as petty. It really looks bad. And makes stereotypes of women amplified.

But they have no fans to impress or live for thus they can tell whatever they want. A public figure however should learn how to communicate...publicly and bashing on someone is not the way to go.

endiadj said:

Weston said:

Defamed??? That is a matter of opinion. Not everyone feels that way...So, Apples should go public...make an ass out of herself...She is not in charge of other ppl and their choices. She needs to tend to her OWN business. P did not need her to defend him in life and sure does not need it now. What Mayte does is between Mayte and her choices. No one asked Apples to be the keeper of the flame. She is the coward...Come right out and make a public statement if she dares, or quite making comments on her social media pages...that she makes sure not EVERYONE can read. She is the coward. She is pathetic. and fans are disgusted....Period!

When someone you care about is no longer here to defend himself against pedophile, drug, burning his kid's ashes allegations, it's up to you to defend him. I certainly would step up to defend someone I cared about, especially if I knew this person. You wouldn't? If Mayte is allowed to write this nonsense then Apples is allowed to criticize it. [Edited 4/11/17 10:08am]

Mayte NEVER even hinted that P was a pedophile. She was TOLD by someone he burned his sons ashes How do you know it didn't happen?. She does not have them....HIS asst told her they were burned. Is the asst lying? Mani said in her divorce docs that P burned Mayte stuff. Public document...read it. As far as P and drugs...Did you read the coroner report? P died of an overdose. No one is saying he was a drug addict...no one is saying it WASN'T an accident...But the point being he had drugs in his system. He revealed this to the world by his death. Not Mayte.She said she NEVER saw him do drugs. Like I said..Apples does NOT need to go public like a mean girl with what she does NOT like. She went after Sheila E too...who is next? She could show some CLASS and pick up a phone and call with her "dislikes"...I am sure she has or can get the number. For her to do what she has done was seeking attention. And I will NEVER believe this is what he would have wanted her to do. And if Apples wants to behave like this with HER nonsense, publicly, then everyone else can criticize it as well.

malbena said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I don't think fans look as petty. It really looks bad. And makes stereotypes of women amplified.

But they have no fans to impress or live for thus they can tell whatever they want. A public figure however should learn how to communicate...publicly and bashing on someone is not the way to go.

I mean us, Prince fans. We talk about stuff, (yeah some people look really petty or disturbed) but most of us are pretty 'regular' about it.

I'm gonna keep saying it until somebody gets it. When somebody chooses to put themselves out there, whether it's a book, podcast, interview, etc, no one has a right to complain about the backlash. That is the cost of doing business in the big city, period. Stop whining.

It is beyond absurd for you people to take sides because of what the wifeys say about the sister-wives and vice versa.

Y'all silly. Mayte is no sacred cow who is off limits.

Furthermore, I don't care if I have to say it a thousand times, PRINCE HIMSELF CAUGHT MORE FLAK AROUND HERE THAN ALL OF HIS EXES COMBINED, and I ain't gonna let y'all forget it.

For that reason, all of his former associates who get criticized for various reasons can suck it up as far I'm concerned.

Superfan1984 said:

If that's true than that is beyond shady on Mani's part. I thought in Mayte's books she said very nice things about Manueala (after claiming she stole her husband = which she did)

Honestly, I am not trying to be funny, or troll or anything, but can a woman really "steal" someone's husband? I know a woman can do a, b, c and d; but isn't it really up to the husband? I know he was grieving, etc... but did she really "steal" him?

Asenath0607 said:

Superfan1984 said:

If that's true than that is beyond shady on Mani's part. I thought in Mayte's books she said very nice things about Manueala (after claiming she stole her husband = which she did)

Honestly, I am not trying to be funny, or troll or anything, but can a woman really "steal" someone's husband? I know a woman can do a, b, c and d; but isn't it really up to the husband? I know he was grieving, etc... but did she really "steal" him?

In the book, Mayte says that Manuela apologized for what she did. So, yes, Prince was wrong, but Manuela knew what she was doing.

Vashtix said:

Mayte wrote a book; the release and media blitz was set to happen April 2017 3 weeks prior to the first anniversary of Prince's transition. That right there shows blatant disrespect to Prince. 12 months in the year and she chose now. She hijacked the first anniversary to be all about her.

These women, Mani, Jill, Apples and the others are not being high schoolish or mean girls. These women have their own opinions . They lived and breatthed time with Prince just as Mayte claims she did.

What makes it ok for Mayte to share her truth across the world and others who knew Prince longer and I would say better than M1 , not be able to share their truth?

JILL

Jill gets beat down by people all the time but whether I agree with her or not she knew Prince prior to Purple Rain, prior to Wendy and Lisa and decades before M1.

Wendy and Lisa are part of the image band, the crossover band . . . imo. Jill was there for the triple threat tours, she knew Prince before the icon. M1 and M2 knew him after and all the image crap.

Jill knew Prince back in the day. There is something about knowing the real person and she knew the real. Apples not so much but she was around too.

JEALOUS OF WHAT?

All this "they are jealous of Mayte " . . . . Someone please school me on why and what is there for them to be jealous of? These women clearly were allowed to know Prince and Jill, M2 had sex with him too. . . . Jill knew him longer than M1 was married to him . Not only does M2 have a huschiband she has 2 lovely children and a charity she runs. Like her or not the schools she is opening in his name does honor him in a way to add postivity to his legacy. She was Mrs. Prince Rogers Nelson for a bit just as M1.

So the only bitter, jealous woman I am seeing is the I'm a get mine woman I see in this scenario. She is the one who started the whole thing by releasing a book that says things many can document are not true and insinuated things about Prince that are heinous . She should have thought it out. Maybe Joe and Joan Public have no clue and will believe anything from M1 but there are those who really knew Prince and were around. What if they decide to tell their truth? They are not going to let her diss him and smile and toss hair and say how much she STILL loves him.

To that I say . . . burning baby ashes, and People mag. excerpts of Prince romancing a 16 year old and btw check her real age and the BIG ONE Hijacking Prince's 1st year anniversary. . . now THAT is love.

My Is Rant over.

Strawberrylova123 said:

Everyone should be like susan moonsie lol

Now that is one book that I would buy because I would like to know what Prince was like before he became the phenomenon known as Prince. However, I have much respect for her and her silence.

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[Edited 4/11/17 17:24pm]

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

NotACleverName said:

I honestly considered that as I was writing it. You know, another orger and I were exchanging comments back and forth that didn't start out well but I think we may have come to an understanding regarding our opinions. But, I believe there are some that won't even consider a differing viewpoint. I mean, come on, how can you even allude to the fact that Mayte claims to have had a relationship wit Prince? And, to continually, relentlessly question her own memories of her life? I just don't understand that.

Lots of people are not going to agree with you or me or whoever, but that's what makes it interesting. Be a little funny, don't go rogue on other comments,and if it truly starts to raise your blood pressure let it go. I love prince and this place in all it's cra cra is still the only place I ever get to talk about him. So really thank you to everyone. P.S.When something is really over the top "ugh" a one word answer works well for me.

Yes, because isn't everyone else like "what are you talking about, move on already"?

babynoz said:

Asenath0607 said:

babynoz said:

Just to keep up with purple academia Prince met Jill during the Dirty Mind leg of the Fire It Up Tour, but it wasn't until after Prince's Dirty Mind tour and Jill was not in Tina Marie's band, that she and Prince connected. Lisa Coleman came into Prince's life late 79 4 the recording of Dirty Mind (and the Time) Wendy Melvoin was play guitar on Controversy sound checks 1981/82. And Prince lived with them when he was in LA, and Lisa lived with Prince in Minneapolis.

.

I don't know what the image band means... But Lisa Coleman was in the band officially way before Wendy and was integral to the recordings when she joined. I don't know if Dirty Mind was intended for a 'crossover' but that whole 'IMAGE' was from the start-1978 with Andre Bobby Z Dr Fink Dez & Gayle. The image was always integral to Prince.

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I agree, that 'there is something about knowing the real person and she and all those prior to 87 knew Prince pre -fame, pre-superstardom.

But even Jill said Prince had socipathic tendencies and she along with many were a part of the music fantasy as well. She was cast in a certain way as the 'unrequited love' in Purple Rain and even on her album, and even the sad old lady on the ATWIAD album. She and I talked about that it was pretty interesting.

.

Jill(81-90) & Mayte(91-2000) knew Prince about the same amount of time though about 10yrs each

.

It is interesting how by 1990/91 Prince had eradicated from his camp 99% of the people who knew him pre-superstardom. He picked up and remained friends with many of them again and worked on many of their albums from Brown Mark BobbY Z Wendy Dr Fink Lisa Susannah Eric Sheila E Jerome Morris the Time ... sadly he never reconnected with Jill until 2016 during the mourning of Vanity.

Vashtix said:

Mayte wrote a book; the release and media blitz was set to happen April 2017 3 weeks prior to the first anniversary of Prince's transition. That right there shows blatant disrespect to Prince. 12 months in the year and she chose now. She hijacked the first anniversary to be all about her.

These women, Mani, Jill, Apples and the others are not being high schoolish or mean girls. These women have their own opinions . They lived and breatthed time with Prince just as Mayte claims she did.

What makes it ok for Mayte to share her truth across the world and others who knew Prince longer and I would say better than M1 , not be able to share their truth?

JILL

Jill gets beat down by people all the time but whether I agree with her or not she knew Prince prior to Purple Rain, prior to Wendy and Lisa and decades before M1.

Wendy and Lisa are part of the image band, the crossover band . . . imo. Jill was there for the triple threat tours, she knew Prince before the icon. M1 and M2 knew him after and all the image crap.

Jill knew Prince back in the day. There is something about knowing the real person and she knew the real. Apples not so much but she was around too.

JEALOUS OF WHAT?

All this "they are jealous of Mayte " . . . . Someone please school me on why and what is there for them to be jealous of? These women clearly were allowed to know Prince and Jill, M2 had sex with him too. . . . Jill knew him longer than M1 was married to him . Not only does M2 have a huschiband she has 2 lovely children and a charity she runs. Like her or not the schools she is opening in his name does honor him in a way to add postivity to his legacy. She was Mrs. Prince Rogers Nelson for a bit just as M1.

So the only bitter, jealous woman I am seeing is the I'm a get mine woman I see in this scenario. She is the one who started the whole thing by releasing a book that says things many can document are not true and insinuated things about Prince that are heinous . She should have thought it out. Maybe Joe and Joan Public have no clue and will believe anything from M1 but there are those who really knew Prince and were around. What if they decide to tell their truth? They are not going to let her diss him and smile and toss hair and say how much she STILL loves him.

To that I say . . . burning baby ashes, and People mag. excerpts of Prince romancing a 16 year old and btw check her real age and the BIG ONE Hijacking Prince's 1st year anniversary. . . now THAT is love.

My Is Rant over.

endiadj said:

I think people think she is passive aggressive. They are not twisting her words. They are questioning her motives, her spin, what she leaves out, what she leaves in, the way in which she titles her book or refers to it, her timing.

YOu ever hear the word juxtaposition.. For example, bringing up the fact that there were times in the early stages of their relationship when she was paid very little and that she had to use equity for the house's upkeep after they divorced, but then leaving out the fact that she hosted parties in the house she inherited from Prince after they split up.. How do you throw parties if you are broke? She was 'quoted' as saying this in 2004 when she was putting the house on the market...according to another thread on this site. If the quote attributed to her is true, then it doesn't sound too destitute to me. Maybe, its not true but it certainly makes you question her.

petalthecat said:

endiadj said:

When someone you care about is no longer here to defend himself against pedophile, drug, burning his kid's ashes allegations, it's up to you to defend him. I certainly would step up to defend someone I cared about, especially if I knew this person. You wouldn't? If Mayte is allowed to write this nonsense then Apples is allowed to criticize it. [Edited 4/11/17 10:08am]

The only allegations like that are what I have seen on here from Mayte haters twisting her words. The irony is, those same people then saying in the same paragraph they're defending him! There's a contradiction there somewhere

[Edited 4/11/17 21:09pm]

OldFriends4Sale said:

Just to keep up with purple academia Prince met Jill during the Dirty Mind leg of the Fire It Up Tour, but it wasn't until after Prince's Dirty Mind tour and Jill was not in Tina Marie's band, that she and Prince connected. Lisa Coleman came into Prince's life late 79 4 the recording of Dirty Mind (and the Time) Wendy Melvoin was play guitar on Controversy sound checks 1981/82. And Prince lived with them when he was in LA, and Lisa lived with Prince in Minneapolis.

.

I don't know what the image band means... But Lisa Coleman was in the band officially way before Wendy and was integral to the recordings when she joined. I don't know if Dirty Mind was intended for a 'crossover' but that whole 'IMAGE' was from the start-1978 with Andre Bobby Z Dr Fink Dez & Gayle. The image was always integral to Prince.

.

I agree, that 'there is something about knowing the real person and she and all those prior to 87 knew Prince pre -fame, pre-superstardom.

But even Jill said Prince had socipathic tendencies and she along with many were a part of the music fantasy as well. She was cast in a certain way as the 'unrequited love' in Purple Rain and even on her album, and even the sad old lady on the ATWIAD album. She and I talked about that it was pretty interesting.

.

Jill(81-90) & Mayte(91-2000) knew Prince about the same amount of time though about 10yrs each

.

It is interesting how by 1990/91 Prince had eradicated from his camp 99% of the people who knew him pre-superstardom. He picked up and remained friends with many of them again and worked on many of their albums from Brown Mark BobbY Z Wendy Dr Fink Lisa Susannah Eric Sheila E Jerome Morris the Time ... sadly he never reconnected with Jill until 2016 during the mourning of Vanity.

Vashtix said:

Mayte wrote a book; the release and media blitz was set to happen April 2017 3 weeks prior to the first anniversary of Prince's transition. That right there shows blatant disrespect to Prince. 12 months in the year and she chose now. She hijacked the first anniversary to be all about her.

These women, Mani, Jill, Apples and the others are not being high schoolish or mean girls. These women have their own opinions . They lived and breatthed time with Prince just as Mayte claims she did.

What makes it ok for Mayte to share her truth across the world and others who knew Prince longer and I would say better than M1 , not be able to share their truth?

JILL

Jill gets beat down by people all the time but whether I agree with her or not she knew Prince prior to Purple Rain, prior to Wendy and Lisa and decades before M1.

Wendy and Lisa are part of the image band, the crossover band . . . imo. Jill was there for the triple threat tours, she knew Prince before the icon. M1 and M2 knew him after and all the image crap.

Jill knew Prince back in the day. There is something about knowing the real person and she knew the real. Apples not so much but she was around too.

JEALOUS OF WHAT?

All this "they are jealous of Mayte " . . . . Someone please school me on why and what is there for them to be jealous of? These women clearly were allowed to know Prince and Jill, M2 had sex with him too. . . . Jill knew him longer than M1 was married to him . Not only does M2 have a huschiband she has 2 lovely children and a charity she runs. Like her or not the schools she is opening in his name does honor him in a way to add postivity to his legacy. She was Mrs. Prince Rogers Nelson for a bit just as M1.

So the only bitter, jealous woman I am seeing is the I'm a get mine woman I see in this scenario. She is the one who started the whole thing by releasing a book that says things many can document are not true and insinuated things about Prince that are heinous . She should have thought it out. Maybe Joe and Joan Public have no clue and will believe anything from M1 but there are those who really knew Prince and were around. What if they decide to tell their truth? They are not going to let her diss him and smile and toss hair and say how much she STILL loves him.

To that I say . . . burning baby ashes, and People mag. excerpts of Prince romancing a 16 year old and btw check her real age and the BIG ONE Hijacking Prince's 1st year anniversary. . . now THAT is love.

My Is Rant over.

Bottom line....Not ONE of these women shared with him what she did...End of story. As far as M2- Give me a break....She is using P's name to promote that charity.And if you are uhappy your name in a book, stay away from other people's husbands and you won't have a problem. Her charity does not reflect her.....values...obviously. I don't think they are jeolous...I just think they are classless mean girls...PICK UP A PHONE and call people privately if you have a beef. Mayte says things that heinous, But Jill has had plenty to say about P thru the years.There have been many others around P for years who know PLENTY that are fully supporting Mayte and HER choices.

bashraka said:

Weston said:

Defamed??? That is a matter of opinion. Not everyone feels that way...So, Apples should go public...make an ass out of herself...She is not in charge of other ppl and their choices. She needs to tend to her OWN business. P did not need her to defend him in life and sure does not need it now. What Mayte does is between Mayte and her choices. No one asked Apples to be the keeper of the flame. She is the coward...Come right out and make a public statement if she dares, or quite making comments on her social media pages...that she makes sure not EVERYONE can read. She is the coward. She is pathetic. and fans are disgusted....Period!

That is so easy to say when you are not the person, even post mortem whose reputation is now being associated with being a pedophile and drug addict. Mayte made her bed-she chose to commercially exploit her life with Prince for fame and money, now she gets to deal with the pushback from a lot of people who are now questioning the motives behind the "innocent-can-do-no-wrong" image.

Mayte has NOT even HINTED at anything related to him being a pedophile. As far as a drug addict. Sjhe had NOT even HINTED to that either.....To be real. The coroner said that he died from a drug overdose. That is not saying he was an addict...or that it wasn't an accident. By the very nature of his cause of death...he revelaed his use of any drugs.....NOT Mayte. She does not HAVE to deal with anything from anyone who questiosn her motives on anything. Innocent can do no wrong is your perception...that is on you. EVERYONE in P's camp is commercially exploiting...Apples is making an appearance at the all night party this month. Sounds like exploiting to me..She would not be appearing otherwise. She also tried to perform at the tribute concert in Oct. didn't work, sounds like exploiting on his name to me.Every photographer, musician, band member and the list goes on and on are taking advantage of career opportuities after his death....they would not be getting if he was here...Maybe all their motives should be questioned too.

OldFriends4Sale said:

endiadj said:

malbena said: But why are fans allowed to speak out against this book but the people who actually knew him personally shouldn't? Are you only critical of those opposed to the book or does this go for the likes of Shelby, etc., who've been supportive of Mayte?

I don't think fans look as petty. It really looks bad. And makes stereotypes of women amplified.

Totally agree. It makes them look jealous, silly and competing for attention like lovesick and scorned teenagers. Where were all these women who knew him so well and are now so keen to preserve his name and legacy?

They were all a part of his past and even though he seemed to have made ammends with most of them, he moved on whereas they never did. The way they act now sems to show exactly that. Mayte wrote a book. Jill Jones seems to portray a widow in the song she dedicated to him. Sheila E got her butterfly connected to the symbol (I still find that seriously wrong) and wrote a song. Appolonia apparently talked about some jubilant judas Prince had confided in her about, in an attempt to show how close they still were, perhaps. Mani gave his name to a school and even though she's married and has two kids has posted a pic of her on her honeymoon with her exhusband. It's like they are all making sure they stay relevant in the purple world. Taking sides and posting digs on social media is quite beneath them, imo.

[Edited 4/12/17 1:33am]

Weston said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Just to keep up with purple academia Prince met Jill during the Dirty Mind leg of the Fire It Up Tour, but it wasn't until after Prince's Dirty Mind tour and Jill was not in her band, that she and Prince connected. Lisa Coleman came into Prince's life late 79 4 the recording of Dirty Mind (and the Time) Wendy Melvoin was play guitar on Controversy sound checks 1981/82. And Prince lived with them when he was in LA, and Lisa lived with Prince in Minneapolis.

.

I don't know what the image band means... But Lisa Coleman was in the band officially way before Wendy and was integral to the recordings when she joined. I don't know if Dirty Mind was intended for a 'crossover' but that whole 'IMAGE' was from the start-1978 with Andre Bobby Z Dr Fink Dez & Gayle. The image was always integral to Prince.

.

I agree, that 'there is something about knowing the real person and she and all those prior to 87 knew Prince pre -fame, pre-superstardom.

But even Jill said Prince had socipathic tendencies and she along with many were a part of the music fantasy as well. She was cast in a certain way as the 'unrequited love' in Purple Rain and even on her album, and even the sad old lady on the ATWIAD album. She and I talked about that it was pretty interesting.

.

Jill(81-90) & Mayte(91-2000) knew Prince about the same amount of time though about 10yrs each

.

It is interesting how by 1990/91 Prince had eradicated from his camp 99% of the people who knew him pre-superstardom. He picked up and remained friends with many of them again and worked on many of their albums from Brown Mark BobbY Z Wendy Dr Fink Lisa Susannah Eric Sheila E Jerome Morris the Time ... sadly he never reconnected with Jill until 2016 during the mourning of Vanity.

Bottom line....Not ONE of these women shared with him what she did...End of story. As far as M2- Give me a break....She is using P's name to promote that charity.And if you are uhappy your name in a book, stay away from other people's husbands and you won't have a problem. Her charity does not reflect her.....values...obviously. I don't think they are jeolous...I just think they are classless mean girls...PICK UP A PHONE and call people privately if you have a beef. Mayte says things that heinous, But Jill has had plenty to say about P thru the years.There have been many others around P for years who know PLENTY that are fully supporting Mayte and HER choices.

Who are you talking about. Specify, who is the not one of these women, and who is 'what she...'

I think you were replying to Vashtix post. My post wasn't about the M1 or M2 comparisons.

anangellooksdown said: