moonsister said:

stlmuziqlvr said:

Laura, I cannot remember a time in my life when I've seen such venom hurled at the mere mention of a dead woman's name...it is sad.

I've never dissed Vanity. But this thread is supposed to be about Manuela. Late at night when u are fantasizing about Prince and Vanity, substitute yourself for one of them, you'll be in a better mood next morning

I am not fantasizing; I am not doing make-believe-in my head

I am stating what Prince said and did

You want to talk Manuela . . . he married her and had her straighten her hair and she looked like . . . . I will not say but we all know who.

The only fantasizing happening is from people still saying The Beautiful Ones was for anyone but Vanity and saying Prince and Vanity never existed and he banned her from his life forever. That is just not true.

moonsister said:

stlmuziqlvr said:

Laura, I cannot remember a time in my life when I've seen such venom hurled at the mere mention of a dead woman's name...it is sad.

laurarichardson said:

luvgirl said:

moonsister said: He said both things in the same article. But first and foremost he explained what certain lyrics meant. "Do you want him or do you want me" meant for the scene where Morris was speaking to Applonoia. "The Beautiful Ones You always seem to lose.".... meant for Vanity's departure... When asked directly if it was inspired by Susannah Melvoin, he tried to explained that it wasn't about her, "it wasn't for anything carnal." Not rocket science... You can't disregard his first comment, explaining the lyrics that Vanity inspired. it's still there... [Edited 5/4/17 12:15pm]

There are people on this board who are always dissing Vanity. Even in death they can not give that women any props at all. Susan was not in the fucking movie. The part was written for Vanity.

You can find copies of the orignal script with her name still listed.

I've never dissed Vanity. But this thread is supposed to be about Manuela. Late at night when u are fantasizing about Prince and Vanity, substitute
yourself for one of them, you'll be in a better mood next morning

laurarichardson said:

moonsister said:

I've never dissed Vanity. But this thread is supposed to be about Manuela. Late at night when u are fantasizing about Prince and Vanity, substitute
yourself for one of them, you'll be in a better mood next morning

\I posted something about M2 shady ass. The only person fantasizing about Vanity was Prince who does M2 resemble?

moonsister said:

stlmuziqlvr said:

Laura, I cannot remember a time in my life when I've seen such venom hurled at the mere mention of a dead woman's name...it is sad.

I've never dissed Vanity. But this thread is supposed to be about Manuela. Late at night when u are fantasizing about Prince and Vanity, substitute yourself for one of them, you'll be in a better mood next morning

School's out...

moonsister said:

laurarichardson said:

\I posted something about M2 shady ass. The only person fantasizing about Vanity was Prince who does M2 resemble?

If she was prettier she'd look like me.

stlmuziqlvr said:

moonsister said:

stlmuziqlvr said: I've never dissed Vanity. But this thread is supposed to be about Manuela. Late at night when u are fantasizing about Prince and Vanity, substitute yourself for one of them, you'll be in a better mood next morning

School's out...

School was never in.

tigerlilyluv said:

luvgirl said:

luvgirl said:

PennyPurple said:

He didn't want Vanity, he fired her from PR, but she went around saying that she walked away because it didn't pay enough, and he let her say that to save HER face...Vanity had a drug and drinking problem and she slept around on him, he didn't want nothing to do with that.

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Yes, he was sad and mourned when she died, like most of us do when our friends pass, but that doesn't mean they were soulmates.

Okay, so I was at work when all this talk about Vanity was taking place, so please bare with me while I add my two cents on a few things. Then I will leave this thread alone. You've read Mayte's book right PennyPurple? Remember this part? (Shortened to get to the point.) Prince was explaining the connection between The Godfather and Purple Rain. Then acknowledging to Mayte that Vanity quit the movie and broke his heart. (Oh, and also implying that she was his thunderbolt..) Prince: "He’s struck by what they call ‘The Thunderbolt’—Thunderbolt’—meaning he immediately has this passion for this woman, this longing that only she can satisfy. She gets killed by a car bombed And he remarries—Diane Keaton—but she ain’t no thunderbolt.... Mayte: "So in Purple Rain—that’s why you called her Apollonia.” “Originally, I wanted Vanity to do it. She said she wanted a million dollars. I said that wasn’t possible, and she said, ‘Then I’m not in it.’ That was it. Broke my heart... What happened? I thought you believed the things she said in her book? And Since we are on the topic of books, and since you take "The Rise Of Prince" as gospel, and since you said, Prince didn't want Vanity and he fired her, here is a different account from a book that's actually much more RESPECTED than Alex Hahn's book, DMSR..... In fact, Alex Hahn would ultimately use this book as a reference. DMSR: Another setback occurred when Vanity decided to quit the film project and Vanity Six in August. Her relationship with Prince was over, having turned into an intense love-hate affair, with fierce arguments followed by passionate make-ups. If previous girlfriends had been patient and willing to accept that they didn't have Prince undivided attention, Vanity wanted totally commitment and would not tolerate any affairs on the side. "Prince always had many women at the same time and I'm simply too old fashioned for that. I need a man entirely to myself. My relationship to Prince was too beautiful, too intense and yet also too ugly. We wore each other out. Our chemistry was explosive, and it just couldn't go on like that." Here's another "book" called Inside The music and the mask with pretty much the same account as DMSR... While Prince had half of a Vanity 6 album done, and a script with her character in it, Vanity was now telling Alan Leeds she was unhappy with how Prince treated her. Meanwhile, Martin Scorsese was offering her a role in The Last Temptation of Christ. Other producers wanted meetings. All of a sudden, she was in demand—and she wanted more money for Purple Rain, “The movie was Prince’s dream,” she said. “He was bringing in everybody for very little money. You’ve got to pay people. You’ve got to be fair.” As she told it, the film’s producers failed to meet her salary requests so she left. And another.. Let's Go Crazy: Against tremendous odds production was ready to go full speed ahead, but another crisis arose, the leading lady had quit. Vanity with more film experience than the rest of the cast wanted a better deal, which producers would not agree to. She left not only the movie but also the spot at the front of Vanity six. So many other accounts of Vanity leaving Prince and you choose to only believe this book by Alex Hahn which have Conflicting information about the life and relationship of Prince and Vanity. Furthermore, this book by Alex Hahn is the only book I've ever read that says Prince fired Vanity due to her sleeping with Albert Magnoli... You don't like Vanity and that's okay, you have the right, but I can't understand why you choose to cling to this particular account when so many other accounts refute it, you choose an account from a mere book even to the point of disregarding Prince and Vanity's own words... Years after they'd been together in their mature years, they still both acknowledged that they used to love each other, and that Vanity was the one that quit the movie. That book was simply wrong. It happens... Sometimes author's that writes unauthorized books, don't have the resources and collaborations to provide accurate information that would do justice to the individuals that they are writing about. So they speculate and use fans to fill in the blanks. Sorry but Alex Hahn does not know more than Prince and Vanity. Prince: "Her and I used to Love one another deeply" ~ Prince ( P&M Tribute to Vanity) Prince: "She loved me for the artist I was, I loved her for the artist she was trying to be" ~Prince (P&M Tribute to Vanity) Prince: "As much as we loved we used to fight" ~Prince (P&M Tribute to Vanity) Prince: "He had a subject named Vanity and he loved her with with a passion uncontested~ (Prince P&M Tribute to Vanity) Vanity: "I loved him and to my knowledge he loved me also." ~ Vanity (Blame it on Vanity) Vanity: "During our time together, we became so close it was frightening. It was a deep, intense relationship. ~ Vanity (Article strait Times) [Edited 5/4/17 19:00pm]

I know right. I go to work and come home to all of this. Thanks to Tigerlilyluv, Luvgirl, Reciprocity, laurarichardson, and others who have shown/ spelled out the evidence and sources I was talking about a few pages back.

In more than one interview, Vanity said that she wanted only him, but he wanted more (women). People came calling for her- from around the world, as Jill said in her podcast. I could be wrong, but it sounds like she began considering other options and when The Last Temptation of Christ role fell through, she went with Motown. In the 1988 Playboy interview, Vanity said that she asked Prince for more money than he could afford to pay her on purpose as an excuse to leave him.

She walked away from him.

[Edited 5/4/17 19:41pm]

Reciprocity said:

sonshine said:

Reciprocity said:

that is why people are in denial; Prince duped us; everyone thought he hated her and now we know he did not and after all the years that past he mourned her as if they dated recently. Pisses people off and yes they changed but not apart; their lives were on the same path the same paths; they mirrored each other all their lives and died same year weeks apart. They were mirrors.

That's a bit of a stretch. Okay a big stretch. Like i said Prince was single for many of the years since he was with Vanity/Denise and so was she. They could have been together if thats what they wanted. Obviously thats not what either wanted. And i never said they didnt have contact or communicate. I dont know where some of the people in this thread come to the conclusions they do. Talk about reading comprehension. The fact that they did still communicate is even more proof they wwrent soulmates or mirrors or destined for only each other. Why didnt they just get together then? They were ancient history. Any romance was long over between them. And M2 doesnt look anything like Vanity/Denise btw. Besides all Vanity/Denise cared about was her ministry after she got saved. Its all she ever talked about. All that preaching gets boring after awhile. I tried to read her book but gave up. Its a mess. A writer she was not.

You can care about someone and not be able to live with them or be in a relationship. Appears that Vanity did not put up with his running around and I doubt P was going to ever give up his booty chasing. Seems simple enought and M2 does favor Vanity.

luvgirl said:

She didn't sleep with Albert Magnoli. The simple fact that Prince still used him on the film is proof positive that she didn't sleep with him. On all accounts Prince was an extremely jealous man. Remember TOB saying Vanity told him that Prince was an extremely jealous man, especially where she was concerned. Listen to her tell the story about Prince having a guy bodily removed from the dance floor who was dancing with her. Start at 10.20 Hahn claimed that Prince was enraged when he found out, and the transgression was intolerable to him, so why in the world would he still work with a man that went behind his back and slept with one of his girls? And almost ruined his movie? How could he trust someone that did that to him? Prince? No way! And why in the world would Prince still mess around with her in 86 if she did that to him? Remember TOB saying that they were still messing with each other a bit even after she left. ( you know, like ex's do when it's hard for them to break it off with each other) but when a guy has to leave a girl because she cheated, it's a big shot to the ego, and we all know Prince had a HUGE ego back then. Check out this post by OFFS saying he placed them together at a club Prince held a party at in 86. Post 73. http://prince.org/msg/5/4...?&pg=3 There is also a picture of him and one of Vanity at that same club that night with Vanity wearing one of his outfits. You know the stories about Prince. Doesn't sound like him at all. This is the only book out of many with this information due to one person telling that to Hahn. In his first book before he revised it, he clearly tells you "One knowledgeable source says she was dismissed" One? And he choose to stick to this story? Dude Bye.. If anything this was just a rumor back the ... [Edited 5/5/17 5:48am]

The story was in DMSR so we can only go buy what was written. Yes, Prince was the jealous type but check this out.

1) Mi Ling Stone- The Lady in dated in Minneapolis who thinks LRC is about her. She admitted she liked dating athletes and she dated other men when Prince was out of town and he knew about but he kept seeing her.

2) The man that was thrown out of the party was Mickey Free but Prince still let Mickey hang around. Mickey was at the Charlie Murphy basketball game.

3) Stories that Andre and Prince competed for the same girls going back to high school but he wanted Dre in his band

4) A few people have said that Prince would treat the nice girls like crap but shower attention on the bad girls (Vanity).

Sorry but controlling and jealous men like Prince are usually more pissed at the women then the men they run around with. These guys have old fashion and sexist attitudes that women cannot run around like men do. I can see him being pissed at Vanity and not Albert. In addition, Eric Leeds said when came on the 1999 tour Vanity and Prince were just about done as a couple.

So, if it is true she slept with Albert they might not have been seeing each other at that point and time. So maybe he was beyond caring or maybe it was too late to get rid of Al.

She did not hire a ghost writer, maybe that's why you felt the book was a mess. It's a choice that all authors make and is influenced by many factors.

Of course it's always possible that she may have preferred that her words not be filtered through a ghost writer or maybe she didn't have the funds to hire one because she self-published. If she had written a book that focused on the intimate details of her relationship with Prince, publishers would have been coming out of the woodwork and she would have had an advance, the ablility to select a ghost writer (if she so chose), an editor, media interviews and a book tour.

Trust me, in most cases, you're out there all alone when you self-publish, however, some authors make the decision to do so when they want full creative control. It's a personal choice.

sonshine said:

Reciprocity said:

that is why people are in denial; Prince duped us; everyone thought he hated her and now we know he did not and after all the years that past he mourned her as if they dated recently. Pisses people off and yes they changed but not apart; their lives were on the same path the same paths; they mirrored each other all their lives and died same year weeks apart. They were mirrors.

That's a bit of a stretch. Okay a big stretch. Like i said Prince was single for many of the years since he was with Vanity/Denise and so was she. They could have been together if thats what they wanted. Obviously thats not what either wanted. And i never said they didnt have contact or communicate. I dont know where some of the people in this thread come to the conclusions they do. Talk about reading comprehension. The fact that they did still communicate is even more proof they wwrent soulmates or mirrors or destined for only each other. Why didnt they just get together then? They were ancient history. Any romance was long over between them. And M2 doesnt look anything like Vanity/Denise btw. Besides all Vanity/Denise cared about was her ministry after she got saved. Its all she ever talked about. All that preaching gets boring after awhile. I tried to read her book but gave up. Its a mess. A writer she was not.

laurarichardson said:

Whether or not he fired Vanity or she walked it does not change the fact the 2 remained friends, lived parallel lives and died within weeks of one another.

Prince gave the most tenderhearted concerts in her memory in Melbourne and attende her funeral.

We may not know everything but we know he wrote The Beautiful Ones for her, he loved her with an uncontested passion (per the Melbourne Concert) and wanted her to be in Purple Rain because it was about him and her.

I think for a woman who was not a legal partner or wife that is a lot and gives enough to say he really cared for this woman deeply and she touched him somewhere deep, deep inside.

laurarichardson said:

luvgirl said:

She didn't sleep with Albert Magnoli. The simple fact that Prince still used him on the film is proof positive that she didn't sleep with him. On all accounts Prince was an extremely jealous man. Remember TOB saying Vanity told him that Prince was an extremely jealous man, especially where she was concerned. Listen to her tell the story about Prince having a guy bodily removed from the dance floor and thrown out, who was dancing with her. (I actually think it was Micki Free because he told a similar story about being thrown out after he was trying to talk to one of Prince's girls ) Start at 10.20 Hahn claimed that Prince was enraged when he found out, and the transgression was intolerable to him, so why in the world would he still work with a man that went behind his back and slept with one of his girls? And almost ruined his movie? How could he trust someone that did that to him? Prince? No way! And why in the world would Prince still mess around with her in 86 if she did that to him? Remember TOB saying that they were still messing with each other a bit even after she left. ( you know, like ex's do when it's hard for them to break it off with each other) but when a guy has to leave a girl because she cheated, it's a big shot to the ego, and we all know Prince had a HUGE ego back then. Check out this post by OFFS saying he placed them together at a club Prince held a party at in 86. Post 73. http://prince.org/msg/5/4...?&pg=3 There is also a picture of him and one of Vanity at that same club that night with Vanity wearing one of his outfits. You know the stories about Prince. Doesn't sound like him at all. This is the only book out of many with this information due to one person telling that to Hahn. In his first book before he revised it, he clearly tells you "One knowledgeable source says she was dismissed" One? And he choose to stick to this story? Dude Bye.. If anything this was just a rumor back then... [Edited 5/5/17 6:03am]

This video she speaks well about Prince and she talks in present tense . She was a woman and not a girl. She owns her stuff too not trying to blame anyone but herself, she never ever disses him and does not throw him under the bus. When the interviewer asks if he was a Svengali she says yes that's him and not in a disparaging way just matter of fact that is who he is.

I like she owns what went down and does not deflect or put blame or try to get pity or he owes me for Purple Rain; even her book was called Blame It On Vanity-

This woman did not feel entitled just because she was part of his genius at a certain time.

Fierce, Courageous and Strong - and she was physically beautiful.

R.I.P. Densie Vanity Matthews - The true Beautiful One

luvgirl said:

sonshine said:

sonshine said:

Vanity died a long, long time ago. Her earthly body left much later. Prince loved Vanity. Did he even know Denise? He didnt love her like he did Vanity certainly. Thats why its silly to hold onto the whole prince and vanity fantasy. That waz over a long time ago when denise laid vanity to rest at the same time laying to rest any dreams of a prince and vanity romance. She made it quite clear with the name change and her ministry that vanity didnt exist anymore. Prince accepted that and moved on. Lets all do the same. [Edited 5/6/17 7:13am]

If you listened to her interviews you would know she accepted Vanity as part of who she was; she accepted her past as part of making her who she became-

I am not going to not talk about Vanity/Denise.

Prince brought her back to the fore in the Piano & Mic concerts by being so emotional and speaking of her , to God and to her during some of those concerts and that was the last months of his life so clealry he had not "moved on". She was a dear friend for him .

If we can talk about women he really did move on from who were actually no longer a part of his life, I think we can talk about the woman who was a valued friend who mourned openly the last weeks of his life.

Vashtix said:

laurarichardson said:

Wanted to post the Love 4 One Another Charity information I found. I could not get the document to paste so I retyped it. The Bridge fund was for the Minneapolis Bridge Collaspe that took place on August 2 2007 so we can put a date on this for 2007 or 2008.

Notice that he gave money to M2 charity and to a company called Smitty Boykins which was and still is owned by Eric Benet. Why would Prince's charity loan or give money to the man his wife married after there divorce. M2 was an operator.

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Kat Dyson – 10,000

Halo USA – 10,000

Jedevine Center For Autism 10,000

Marva N. Collins Preparatory School 10,000

Youth and Shelter Services, Inc 10,000

Children’s Coalition, Inc 7,000

L.A. Family Housing Donations 7,000

C-Space West Side Community Center $7,000

Peccole Ranch Lakes Kingdom Hall Fund 7,000

Minnesota Helps Bridge Disaster Fund $50,000

Urban Farming $45,000.00

In A Perfect World $50,000

Michael Rolfe Pancreatic Cancer Foundation $5,000

Hearts of Gold $1,000

Smitty Boykin $50,000.

The Missing Piece Foundation $5,000

Donors Choice $15, 000

GTC Turning Point $12,000

Education Gallery Group $12,000

Academy 331 $12,000

[Edited 5/4/17 9:24am]

because he was a philanthropist???

Asenath0607 said:

Asenath0607 said:

laurarichardson said:

Wanted to post the Love 4 One Another Charity information I found. I could not get the document to paste so I retyped it. The Bridge fund was for the Minneapolis Bridge Collaspe that took place on August 2 2007 so we can put a date on this for 2007 or 2008.

Notice that he gave money to M2 charity and to a company called Smitty Boykins which was and still is owned by Eric Benet. Why would Prince's charity loan or give money to the man his wife married after there divorce. M2 was an operator.

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Kat Dyson – 10,000

Halo USA – 10,000

Jedevine Center For Autism 10,000

Marva N. Collins Preparatory School 10,000

Youth and Shelter Services, Inc 10,000

Children’s Coalition, Inc 7,000

L.A. Family Housing Donations 7,000

C-Space West Side Community Center $7,000

Peccole Ranch Lakes Kingdom Hall Fund 7,000

Minnesota Helps Bridge Disaster Fund $50,000

Urban Farming $45,000.00

In A Perfect World $50,000

Michael Rolfe Pancreatic Cancer Foundation $5,000

Hearts of Gold $1,000

Smitty Boykin $50,000.

The Missing Piece Foundation $5,000

Donors Choice $15, 000

GTC Turning Point $12,000

Education Gallery Group $12,000

Academy 331 $12,000

[Edited 5/4/17 9:24am]

because he was a philanthropist???

and he was clearly VERY MAGNANIMOUS

moonsister said:

laurarichardson said: