[img:$uid]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e70/SexyBeautifulOne/daydreamsmily.jpg[/img:$uid] Ahh...yes! The good old days of A.M.P! When being a Prince fan with a good internet connection, even on dial-up...was a joy to behold!

muskiediver said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Wanna know why the online Prince community sucks? Just take a look at what Prince has done.

Bitter. Facebook was created even though there were already other social networks out there.

What does that have to do with anything I wrote?

So if you have an idea and it's better than the one here, make it into reality. How about a Prince FB site?

Dude, READ what I wrote. Why the hell would anyone invest time and effort into building a super-duper Prince website when chances are you get slapped with a lawsuit five days after you launch?

We've BEEN THERE. Prince's online fan presence was pretty damn great, and I bet we'd see some killer sites now -- except Prince killed that dead. First by "recruiting" a bunch of them (and then shutting them up), and then by suing the rest of them. REPEATEDLY. Let's not forget the veiled threats and insults that such sites received both in public and behind the scenes.

We had AWESOME fanmags: 7 magazine, Uptown, Gavin ran a pretty decent one in the UK, The Prince Family, etc. -- and they all QUIT. Same with HQ and so many sites.

And that's why we're now stuck with a handful outdated forum sites, and a bunch of fan efforts that are okay at best. Why isn't PrinceVault filled with tons of info? Why isn't the Princepedia on this website? (Have YOU ever contributed?)

I develop in-house applications for CRM purposes for a major company. Over the years I've thought about building a kick-ass Prince-site numerous times. And then I realize that I can't be arsed, because it won't be appreciated. Not by the simpleton famz (who still don't get the Org), not by Prince,... Why the hell should I bother?

Now compare that to the online presence of an Internet-friendly artist like Nine Inch Nails: tons of fan-run websites, plenty of them leading the way. No artist who bullies them = proliferation of talent and knowledge. Compare the NINWiki with PrinceVault,...

We were on the brink of that in the mid/late-1990s, despite the bad aftertaste the L4OA fiasco left with many (the rot for many started there). And then Prince started suing people -- including websites owned by fans that were part of the L4OA team -- and it just killed everything, and all that was left was the Org.

BartVanHemelen said:

muskiediver said:

What does that have to do with anything I wrote?

So if you have an idea and it's better than the one here, make it into reality. How about a Prince FB site?

Dude, READ what I wrote. Why the hell would anyone invest time and effort into building a super-duper Prince website when chances are you get slapped with a lawsuit five days after you launch?

We've BEEN THERE. Prince's online fan presence was pretty damn great, and I bet we'd see some killer sites now -- except Prince killed that dead. First by "recruiting" a bunch of them (and then shutting them up), and then by suing the rest of them. REPEATEDLY. Let's not forget the veiled threats and insults that such sites received both in public and behind the scenes.

We had AWESOME fanmags: 7 magazine, Uptown, Gavin ran a pretty decent one in the UK, The Prince Family, etc. -- and they all QUIT. Same with HQ and so many sites.

And that's why we're now stuck with a handful outdated forum sites, and a bunch of fan efforts that are okay at best. Why isn't PrinceVault filled with tons of info? Why isn't the Princepedia on this website? (Have YOU ever contributed?)

I develop in-house applications for CRM purposes for a major company. Over the years I've thought about building a kick-ass Prince-site numerous times. And then I realize that I can't be arsed, because it won't be appreciated. Not by the simpleton famz (who still don't get the Org), not by Prince,... Why the hell should I bother?

Now compare that to the online presence of an Internet-friendly artist like Nine Inch Nails: tons of fan-run websites, plenty of them leading the way. No artist who bullies them = proliferation of talent and knowledge. Compare the NINWiki with PrinceVault,...

We were on the brink of that in the mid/late-1990s, despite the bad aftertaste the L4OA fiasco left with many (the rot for many started there). And then Prince started suing people -- including websites owned by fans that were part of the L4OA team -- and it just killed everything, and all that was left was the Org.

Keep dreaming bud. Trent Reznor can't even sell out a 2000 seat venue in NYC (largest population in the US) in 2009. Those so called fan-run websites are run by Trent Reznor and company to generate hype. As for being fan friendly... he called his female fans fat & ugly and told them to slit their wrists (far, far from fan friendly).

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/3479/1ninv.jpg

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/1025/2nin.jpg

As for bullying fans, Reznor regularly BANS fans from his website for any negitive comments regarding him & his music. He also stalks and trolls fans & exfans, here are the accounts:

http://twitter.com/AndreaUZaftig
http://twitter.com/ESilvaGoncalves
http://twitter.com/filamina234
http://twitter.com/Gen_McCaw
http://twitter.com/halo7557
http://twitter.com/just_u_wait
http://twitter.com/metalsludger
http://twitter.com/NEEUQIRAM
http://twitter.com/youareagiantass
http://twitter.com/trollbeauties
http://twitter.com/TrollTardz
http://twitter.com/youareonourlis

Trent Reznor is one sick ass dude and Prince & Security already know this.

[Edited 2/3/11 7:35am]

BartVanHemelen said:

muskiediver said:

What does that have to do with anything I wrote?

So if you have an idea and it's better than the one here, make it into reality. How about a Prince FB site?

Dude, READ what I wrote. Why the hell would anyone invest time and effort into building a super-duper Prince website when chances are you get slapped with a lawsuit five days after you launch?

We've BEEN THERE. Prince's online fan presence was pretty damn great, and I bet we'd see some killer sites now -- except Prince killed that dead. First by "recruiting" a bunch of them (and then shutting them up), and then by suing the rest of them. REPEATEDLY. Let's not forget the veiled threats and insults that such sites received both in public and behind the scenes.

We had AWESOME fanmags: 7 magazine, Uptown, Gavin ran a pretty decent one in the UK, The Prince Family, etc. -- and they all QUIT. Same with HQ and so many sites.

And that's why we're now stuck with a handful outdated forum sites, and a bunch of fan efforts that are okay at best. Why isn't PrinceVault filled with tons of info? Why isn't the Princepedia on this website? (Have YOU ever contributed?)

I develop in-house applications for CRM purposes for a major company. Over the years I've thought about building a kick-ass Prince-site numerous times. And then I realize that I can't be arsed, because it won't be appreciated. Not by the simpleton famz (who still don't get the Org), not by Prince,... Why the hell should I bother?

Now compare that to the online presence of an Internet-friendly artist like Nine Inch Nails: tons of fan-run websites, plenty of them leading the way. No artist who bullies them = proliferation of talent and knowledge. Compare the NINWiki with PrinceVault,...

We were on the brink of that in the mid/late-1990s, despite the bad aftertaste the L4OA fiasco left with many (the rot for many started there). And then Prince started suing people -- including websites owned by fans that were part of the L4OA team -- and it just killed everything, and all that was left was the Org.

Bart...sometimes you can be as abrasive as a wet...fresh...Brillo pad...soaked in sand!

But when you're right...you're right! And I love ALL that about you!

Keep telling the truth...for there are plenty of us that remember and know it well!

Back in "the good old days" of the mid '90's to early '00's...we all saw and helped...in countless ways...the Internet...take over! The Internet was a new frontier and it had global distance from wherever anyone happened to be. It was then and always will be...ALL of ours...for the making.

Back in the beginning, Prince was one of the few superstars that was there and down for cause! His name was one of the first things I ever searched for, the very first time I logged onto AOL from my home computer, using a floppy disc, I got from the library.

Unfortunately, over the years, anybody that's really been paying attention has learned from Prince...himself...that he didn't really believe in the cause, that was in fact, the Internet. He's taught us that...for him...the Internet was nothing more than a means to end. A direct way of getting his fans...to give him money...on his terms. In other words, something that was...his...for the taking.

Which, in all honesty...was indeed true. We were there and we were...his...for the taking. Eagerly and happily so. However, being part of the Internet evolution...as we most certainly were...we were ALSO...his...for the making! Back in the good old days his Internet presence was pretty damn great.

The tragic part is...it could and should...have been phenominal...by now!

Prince...himself...OR...as I cling to the last shred of hope and respect...that I have left...for him. Someone close to him whose influence he can still hopefully some day...snap the fuck out of...has purposely and deliberately chose to make...Prince's online Internet presence...EXACTLY...what it is...today!

.

[Edited 2/3/11 8:54am]

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Bart...sometimes you can be as abrasive as a wet...fresh...Brillo pad...soaked in sand!

But when you're right...you're right! And I love ALL that about you!

Keep telling the truth...for there are plenty of us that remember and know it well!

Back in "the good old days" of the mid '90's to early '00's...we all saw and helped...in countless ways...the Internet...take over! The Internet was a new frontier and it had global distance from wherever anyone happened to be. It was then and always will be...ALL of ours...for the making.

Back in the beginning, Prince was one of the few superstars that was there and down for cause! His name was one of the first things I ever searched for, the very first time I logged onto AOL from my home computer, using a floppy disc, I got from the library.

Unfortunately, over the years, anybody that's really been paying attention has learned from Prince...himself...that he didn't really believe in the cause, that was in fact, the Internet. He's taught us that...for him...the Internet was nothing more than a means to end. A direct way of getting his fans...to give him money...on his terms. In other words, something that was...his...for the taking.

Which, in all honesty...was indeed true. We were there and we were...his...for the taking. Eagerly and happily so. However, being part of the Internet evolution...as we most certainly were...we were ALSO...his...for the making! Back in the good old days his Internet presence was pretty damn great.

The tragic part is...it could and should...have been phenominal...by now!

Prince...himself...OR...as I cling to the last shred of hope and respect...that I have left...for him. Someone close to him whose influence he can still hopefully some day...snap the fuck out of...has purposely and deliberately chose to make...Prince's online Internet presence...EXACTLY...what it is...today!

[Edited 2/3/11 8:54am]

Why do you feel a successful, wealthy, busy man in his 50s needs to be on the Internet and creating an internet space for those who have the time to speculate about him? It seems rather odd. I don't get offended by anyone who is not on the web nor have I ever perceived the web as a "cause" and I was there at the beginning and even work in IT. It's unrealistic to think Prince needs to spend time & money on a "phenominal web presence". Prince is already an International Legend - everyone knows the name & music. He doesn't need to gain new followers because it happens naturally now (just look at the ppl at the concerts - all ages).

[Edited 2/3/11 10:35am]

jeromejack said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Bart...sometimes you can be as abrasive as a wet...fresh...Brillo pad...soaked in sand!

But when you're right...you're right! And I love ALL that about you!

Keep telling the truth...for there are plenty of us that remember and know it well!

Back in "the good old days" of the mid '90's to early '00's...we all saw and helped...in countless ways...the Internet...take over! The Internet was a new frontier and it had global distance from wherever anyone happened to be. It was then and always will be...ALL of ours...for the making.

Back in the beginning, Prince was one of the few superstars that was there and down for cause! His name was one of the first things I ever searched for, the very first time I logged onto AOL from my home computer, using a floppy disc, I got from the library.

Unfortunately, over the years, anybody that's really been paying attention has learned from Prince...himself...that he didn't really believe in the cause, that was in fact, the Internet. He's taught us that...for him...the Internet was nothing more than a means to end. A direct way of getting his fans...to give him money...on his terms. In other words, something that was...his...for the taking.

Which, in all honesty...was indeed true. We were there and we were...his...for the taking. Eagerly and happily so. However, being part of the Internet evolution...as we most certainly were...we were ALSO...his...for the making! Back in the good old days his Internet presence was pretty damn great.

The tragic part is...it could and should...have been phenominal...by now!

Prince...himself...OR...as I cling to the last shred of hope and respect...that I have left...for him. Someone close to him whose influence he can still hopefully some day...snap the fuck out of...has purposely and deliberately chose to make...Prince's online Internet presence...EXACTLY...what it is...today!

[Edited 2/3/11 8:54am]

Why do you feel a successful, wealthy, busy man in his 50s needs to be on the Internet and creating an internet space for those who have the time to speculate about him? It seems rather odd. I don't get offended by anyone who is not on the web nor have I ever perceived the web as a "cause" and I was there at the beginning and even work in IT. It's unrealistic to think Prince needs to spend time & money on a "phenominal web presence". Prince is already an International Legend - everyone knows the name & music. He doesn't need to gain new followers because it happens naturally now (just look at the ppl at the concerts - all ages).

[Edited 2/3/11 10:35am]

I never said HE had to create anything. Prince's internet presence was developing on it's own, back in the day...around him. The site you are sitting on...speculating about him...right this minute, is a testament to that very fact. All he had to do...at the very least... was just let it grow!

Instead, he tried to control everything about it and everyone in it. Many tried over and over and over and over again to comply with his wishes and demands but they just kept getting more and more controlling, divisive, dismissive, possessive and bullying. Until damn near all of the people who were investing their own time and money...mind you! Building on their own...what could and should...have been his phenomenal internet presence...said to hell with his funky ass and decided to let him have it his way. What's left...is what he made it!

Does he care? Obviously not. Do we care? Obviously so but not for the reasons that people such as yourself, like to suggest...when you're too busy defending Prince's honor from the mean ol' haters...to realize how good and diverse things could have been for EVERYBODY!

jeromejack said:

Why do you feel a successful, wealthy, busy man in his 50s needs to be on the Internet and creating an internet space for those who have the time to speculate about him? It seems rather odd. I don't get offended by anyone who is not on the web nor have I ever perceived the web as a "cause" and I was there at the beginning and even work in IT. It's unrealistic to think Prince needs to spend time & money on a "phenominal web presence".

The simple fact that you had to construct a strawman says it all. NO ONE said anything about Prince needing to do this. (Though he should have an official web presence instead of dishing out crumbs through crappy gossip websites -- now THAT is tacky.)

Prince is already an International Legend - everyone knows the name & music. He doesn't need to gain new followers because it happens naturally now (just look at the ppl at the concerts - all ages).

[Edited 2/3/11 10:35am]

Dude, Prince is nowhere near the legend he should be. He has been coasting on music he wrote and recorded 25+ years ago for a decade and a half, which means he's become an oldies act -- something he swore to avoid back when he was young and ambitious. And he doesn't even take proper care of that back catalogue.

BartVanHemelen said:

jeromejack said:

Why do you feel a successful, wealthy, busy man in his 50s needs to be on the Internet and creating an internet space for those who have the time to speculate about him? It seems rather odd. I don't get offended by anyone who is not on the web nor have I ever perceived the web as a "cause" and I was there at the beginning and even work in IT. It's unrealistic to think Prince needs to spend time & money on a "phenominal web presence".

The simple fact that you had to construct a strawman says it all. NO ONE said anything about Prince needing to do this. (Though he should have an official web presence instead of dishing out crumbs through crappy gossip websites -- now THAT is tacky.)

Prince is already an International Legend - everyone knows the name & music. He doesn't need to gain new followers because it happens naturally now (just look at the ppl at the concerts - all ages).

[Edited 2/3/11 10:35am]

Dude, Prince is nowhere near the legend he should be. He has been coasting on music he wrote and recorded 25+ years ago for a decade and a half, which means he's become an oldies act -- something he swore to avoid back when he was young and ambitious. And he doesn't even take proper care of that back catalogue.

The way I see it, Prince made all the money he figures he'll ever need from 2004 - 2009. I'd bet he grossed $200 million easy, and kept maybe as much as $100 million after taxes and expenses,as long as he didn't get creamed in the stock market or real estate. All the stuff last year about unpaid taxes, etc. now appears to me to be bad business management, not lack of cash flow.

In fact, I'm now guessing that Prince has been phenomenally cash-flow positive since midway through the "Musicology" tour.

So, he has total freedom - artistic and monetary. We all assumed that meant that he'd do what his fans want him to do; even things he himself said he'd do. Create tons of new music, release outtakes and concert DVDs, come play in our living rooms, whatever.

But what actually happened is that Prince decided to do what he wants to do. Sometimes, that is what his fans want but many times it is not. For instance, we all want him to play songs from the last five albums live, but with few exceptions that has not happened. And no matter how much we scream for him to do it, he won't unless it's what he wants to do.

That's why I've decided the best approach to following Prince is to disregard the "coulda woulda shoulda" philosophy, and just hang on for the ride. Sometimes I will not like the ride very much - LOTU$FLOWER.COM, in particular.

But I'm not the driver of the bus. I will never be the driver of the bus. I could have a personal audience with Prince and make the greatest case ever for a new site, releasing this or that, but it wouldn't matter.

So I don't worry about it.

BartVanHemelen said:

Dude, Prince is nowhere near the legend he should be. He has been coasting on music he wrote and recorded 25+ years ago for a decade and a half, which means he's become an oldies act -- something he swore to avoid back when he was young and ambitious. And he doesn't even take proper care of that back catalogue.

Bart if Prince is so bad, then why do you continue to listen?

On the contrary I 100% completely disagree with you. Prince is beyond a legend. As a legend he has live a longer life than most who have achived his status.

Your mention of "he doesn't even take proper care of that back catalogue" is another bitter comment. Let me remind you, we probably haven't even heard half of Prince's catalog that we all personally like.

Sadly, Prince too will be more famous when he passes away.

It sounds that you are bitter at Prince in general for whatever reason. Due to this, you cannot see he is already more legendary than most artists past and present. More than Elvis and many others. The fact is Prince is in his own category paving new ground including legendary status. Yes, he may like that money, but at least he isn't broke like a lot of musicians become when they are his age.

Oldies act? By last nights encounter with Kim, he sure doesn't have an oldies crowd. Be fair with your assessmment my friend, leave your grudges behind, make good experinces you will always remember and enjoy the beauty of life and the beauty of Prince's music. Doesn't matter what time period you like, it's timeless. Be well my friend and stay thirsty.

[Edited 2/8/11 19:30pm]

RodeoSchro said:

So, he has total freedom - artistic and monetary. We all assumed that meant that he'd do what his fans want him to do; even things he himself said he'd do. Create tons of new music, release outtakes and concert DVDs, come play in our living rooms, whatever.

But what actually happened is that Prince decided to do what he wants to do. Sometimes, that is what his fans want but many times it is not. For instance, we all want him to play songs from the last five albums live, but with few exceptions that has not happened. And no matter how much we scream for him to do it, he won't unless it's what he wants to do.

Except he SAYS the opposite. Read his interviews and it's always "blah blah blah I'm already working on the next thing" -- yet then he can't be arsed to promote his current stuff, and instead plays 25+ year old music, and because he's so bored with it he does bland medleys and uninspired jazzfunkrock jams.

BartVanHemelen said:

RodeoSchro said:

So, he has total freedom - artistic and monetary. We all assumed that meant that he'd do what his fans want him to do; even things he himself said he'd do. Create tons of new music, release outtakes and concert DVDs, come play in our living rooms, whatever.

But what actually happened is that Prince decided to do what he wants to do. Sometimes, that is what his fans want but many times it is not. For instance, we all want him to play songs from the last five albums live, but with few exceptions that has not happened. And no matter how much we scream for him to do it, he won't unless it's what he wants to do.

Except he SAYS the opposite. Read his interviews and it's always "blah blah blah I'm already working on the next thing" -- yet then he can't be arsed to promote his current stuff, and instead plays 25+ year old music, and because he's so bored with it he does bland medleys and uninspired jazzfunkrock jams.

Exactly. He does what he wants to do which, unfortunately, is many times 180 degrees from what we want him to do.

He does release a lot of new music, he just doesn't play it much live.

He isn't going to change; at least, I am not going to be able to make him change. So I just roll with it. I'm not joining any more websites though, unless I know he's coming to MY town, and I know I can get good seats only from the website.

Otherwise, no dice.

muskiediver said:

Your mention of "he doesn't even take proper care of that back catalogue" is another bitter comment. Let me remind you, we probably haven't even heard half of Prince's catalog that we all personally like.

Sweet Jebus... If you don't know what I'm talking about, why the frak do you bother to reply? Do you always butt in on conversations about things you clearly have no clue about? Go look up the word "back catalogue".

It sounds that you are bitter at Prince in general for whatever reason.

Whiney whine whine. Seriously, are you 12? How about bringing arguments to the table?

Due to this, you cannot see he is already more legendary than most artists past and present. More than Elvis and many others.

Bwahahahaha. Dream on.

Oldies act? By last nights encounter with Kim, he sure doesn't have an oldies crowd.

For. Crying. Out. Loud. When people talk about an oldies act, IT AIN'T ABOUT THE AUDIENCE. Once again you clearly have NO CLUE what people are talking about. (I'm not using some fancy technical jargon here, BTW.)

Be fair with your assessmment my friend, leave your grudges behind, make good experinces you will always remember and enjoy the beauty of life and the beauty of Prince's music.

Hilarious. Never noticed that Princey-boy is the king grudgeholder?

READ what I wrote: the reason Prince's online fan presence is shit is because PRINCE FUCKED SHIT UP. This is FACT. Oh wait, did the fanmags and fansites invent that they were sued? Did they invent the threatening emails? How come virtually everyone who worked with Prince had a bad break-up with him?

RodeoSchro said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Except he SAYS the opposite. Read his interviews and it's always "blah blah blah I'm already working on the next thing" -- yet then he can't be arsed to promote his current stuff, and instead plays 25+ year old music, and because he's so bored with it he does bland medleys and uninspired jazzfunkrock jams.

Exactly. He does what he wants to do which, unfortunately, is many times 180 degrees from what we want him to do.

No, he doesn't do what he SAYS he is doing. He claims to be all about the future, whereas in fact he isn't even about the present. I'm simply holding him to his word.

BartVanHemelen said:

RodeoSchro said:

Exactly. He does what he wants to do which, unfortunately, is many times 180 degrees from what we want him to do.

No, he doesn't do what he SAYS he is doing. He claims to be all about the future, whereas in fact he isn't even about the present. I'm simply holding him to his word.

Yep. Which is why I won't join any more of his paid websites. Which is also why I just let what he says go in one ear and out the other. I guess what I'm saying is, his word isn't worth anything. He's not necessarily a liar IMHO, but his attention span is apparently so short that it's foolish to buy into anything he says he's going to do.

But when he releases stuff or puts concert tickets on sale (through reputable firms, LOL), I'll buy 'em.

.

[Edited 2/9/11 13:38pm]

mmmm... getting back to the header... I started posting on AMP back in '97. That's where I got hooked up with T's compilations directly from him!

RodeoSchro said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Dude, Prince is nowhere near the legend he should be. He has been coasting on music he wrote and recorded 25+ years ago for a decade and a half, which means he's become an oldies act -- something he swore to avoid back when he was young and ambitious. And he doesn't even take proper care of that back catalogue.

The way I see it, Prince made all the money he figures he'll ever need from 2004 - 2009. I'd bet he grossed $200 million easy, and kept maybe as much as $100 million after taxes and expenses,as long as he didn't get creamed in the stock market or real estate. All the stuff last year about unpaid taxes, etc. now appears to me to be bad business management, not lack of cash flow.

In fact, I'm now guessing that Prince has been phenomenally cash-flow positive since midway through the "Musicology" tour.

So, he has total freedom - artistic and monetary. We all assumed that meant that he'd do what his fans want him to do; even things he himself said he'd do. Create tons of new music, release outtakes and concert DVDs, come play in our living rooms, whatever.

But what actually happened is that Prince decided to do what he wants to do. Sometimes, that is what his fans want but many times it is not. For instance, we all want him to play songs from the last five albums live, but with few exceptions that has not happened. And no matter how much we scream for him to do it, he won't unless it's what he wants to do.

That's why I've decided the best approach to following Prince is to disregard the "coulda woulda shoulda" philosophy, and just hang on for the ride. Sometimes I will not like the ride very much - LOTU$FLOWER.COM, in particular.

But I'm not the driver of the bus. I will never be the driver of the bus. I could have a personal audience with Prince and make the greatest case ever for a new site, releasing this or that, but it wouldn't matter.

So I don't worry about it.

Beautiful. I couldn't have said it better. The way I see it, Prince became very famous at an early age & worked hard at his career, made boo-coo money and now wants to do what interests him. He had some major tragedies & major successes. Hence, the religious interests & anonymous giving to the homeless/hungry in Minnesota in the past 10 yrs. Believe it or not, he's a busy man and not sitting around eating bonbons.

Follow Your Bliss http://www.youtube.com/wa...gNu7lo82GA

HatrinaHaterwitz, I hear ya. I'm only here to deflect Bart's negativity & to find out any upcoming shows.

Bart, maybe you could find somebody to do the duty in your bed and the negativity & bitterness would stop slowing you down & you'd be able to bounce off walls.

[Edited 2/13/11 23:37pm]

Spinlight said:

Neversin's permanent cling to T's dick

I see your failing memory is severely damaged...

But anyway, amp started a slow death the moment Ernie came along...

Neversin.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

jeromejack said:

Why do you feel a successful, wealthy, busy man in his 50s needs to be on the Internet and creating an internet space for those who have the time to speculate about him? It seems rather odd. I don't get offended by anyone who is not on the web nor have I ever perceived the web as a "cause" and I was there at the beginning and even work in IT. It's unrealistic to think Prince needs to spend time & money on a "phenominal web presence". Prince is already an International Legend - everyone knows the name & music. He doesn't need to gain new followers because it happens naturally now (just look at the ppl at the concerts - all ages).

[Edited 2/3/11 10:35am]

I never said HE had to create anything. Prince's internet presence was developing on it's own, back in the day...around him. The site you are sitting on...speculating about him...right this minute, is a testament to that very fact. All he had to do...at the very least... was just let it grow!

Instead, he tried to control everything about it and everyone in it. Many tried over and over and over and over again to comply with his wishes and demands but they just kept getting more and more controlling, divisive, dismissive, possessive and bullying. Until damn near all of the people who were investing their own time and money...mind you! Building on their own...what could and should...have been his phenomenal internet presence...said to hell with his funky ass and decided to let him have it his way. What's left...is what he made it!

Does he care? Obviously not. Do we care? Obviously so but not for the reasons that people such as yourself, like to suggest...when you're too busy defending Prince's honor from the mean ol' haters...to realize how good and diverse things could have been for EVERYBODY!

So, I'm reading all of this about how Prince bullies and shuts down sites about him, and I'm wondering why does he allow this site to be up? What is the difference in this site and the others that he has his lawyers harrass until they shut it down?

Francis7 said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

I never said HE had to create anything. Prince's internet presence was developing on it's own, back in the day...around him. The site you are sitting on...speculating about him...right this minute, is a testament to that very fact. All he had to do...at the very least... was just let it grow!

Instead, he tried to control everything about it and everyone in it. Many tried over and over and over and over again to comply with his wishes and demands but they just kept getting more and more controlling, divisive, dismissive, possessive and bullying. Until damn near all of the people who were investing their own time and money...mind you! Building on their own...what could and should...have been his phenomenal internet presence...said to hell with his funky ass and decided to let him have it his way. What's left...is what he made it!

Does he care? Obviously not. Do we care? Obviously so but not for the reasons that people such as yourself, like to suggest...when you're too busy defending Prince's honor from the mean ol' haters...to realize how good and diverse things could have been for EVERYBODY!

So, I'm reading all of this about how Prince bullies and shuts down sites about him, and I'm wondering why does he allow this site to be up? What is the difference in this site and the others that he has his lawyers harrass until they shut it down?

This site (and some others) banded together and stood up against him in court.

Francis7 said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

I never said HE had to create anything. Prince's internet presence was developing on it's own, back in the day...around him. The site you are sitting on...speculating about him...right this minute, is a testament to that very fact. All he had to do...at the very least... was just let it grow!

Instead, he tried to control everything about it and everyone in it. Many tried over and over and over and over again to comply with his wishes and demands but they just kept getting more and more controlling, divisive, dismissive, possessive and bullying. Until damn near all of the people who were investing their own time and money...mind you! Building on their own...what could and should...have been his phenomenal internet presence...said to hell with his funky ass and decided to let him have it his way. What's left...is what he made it!

Does he care? Obviously not. Do we care? Obviously so but not for the reasons that people such as yourself, like to suggest...when you're too busy defending Prince's honor from the mean ol' haters...to realize how good and diverse things could have been for EVERYBODY!

So, I'm reading all of this about how Prince bullies and shuts down sites about him, and I'm wondering why does he allow this site to be up? What is the difference in this site and the others that he has his lawyers harrass until they shut it down?

Might have something to do with Ben being a lawyer.

babynoz said:

Francis7 said:

So, I'm reading all of this about how Prince bullies and shuts down sites about him, and I'm wondering why does he allow this site to be up? What is the difference in this site and the others that he has his lawyers harrass until they shut it down?

Might have something to do with Ben being a lawyer.

Ben isn't a lawyer.

There's been attempts to shut down prince.org but there's no legal basis to have the site closed.

Gav said:

babynoz said:

Might have something to do with Ben being a lawyer.

Ben isn't a lawyer.

There's been attempts to shut down prince.org but there's no legal basis to have the site closed.

He ain't?

And to think, I read that piece of misinformation right here on this site,

Spinlight said:

Francis7 said:

So, I'm reading all of this about how Prince bullies and shuts down sites about him, and I'm wondering why does he allow this site to be up? What is the difference in this site and the others that he has his lawyers harrass until they shut it down?

This site (and some others) banded together and stood up against him in court.

You"re kidding! I bet that made him furious that he couldn't stop it! I bet he checks it out from time to time, he's so controlling, I can't imagine he wouldn't.

jeromejack said:

Beautiful. I couldn't have said it better. The way I see it, Prince became very famous at an early age & worked hard at his career, made boo-coo money

Hilarious. The dude was near-bankrupt in the mid-1990s. Most business in Minneapolis refused to do business with him because he didn't pay his bills. And this happened before (he did the 1989 Lovesexy gigs in japan to pay off the dept resulting from the EU/USA tour), and I bet it happened again (look at the recent lawsuits).

Yes, he makes a lot of money -- but he also SPENDS a lot of money. Three failed marriages, renting a house in LA, maintaining a huge studio in Minneapolis, his lavish lifestyle,... and that's the stuff we know about.

and now wants to do what interests him.

And that's 20Ten? Or any of the rubbish tours he's done in the past 15 years where he's visibly and audibly bored to death playing the same old songs again and again? If money isn't a care, why the hell isn't he on some avant-garde shit? How come he worked with Clare Fisher in the 1980s, yet these days he simply follows trends?

babynoz said:

Gav said:

Ben isn't a lawyer.

There's been attempts to shut down prince.org but there's no legal basis to have the site closed.

He ain't?

And to think, I read that piece of misinformation right here on this site,

No, tha's just something someone made up. Ben has never said that, he's always been into programming and Internet stuff. Hint: he and Kevin started the PPML and this site -- that's not the work of lawyers, but tech people.

Matt, a once prominent moderator, was the lawyer here that you're probably remembering.

polyedit

[Edited 3/5/11 12:39pm]

BartVanHemelen said:

babynoz said:

He ain't?

And to think, I read that piece of misinformation right here on this site,

No, tha's just something someone made up. Ben has never said that, he's always been into programming and Internet stuff. Hint: he and Kevin started the PPML and this site -- that's not the work of lawyers, but tech people.

xlr8r said:

Matt, a once prominent moderator, was the lawyer here that you're probably remembering.

polyedit

[Edited 3/5/11 12:39pm]

Thanks...I guess I ain't completely senile then,

Jakeasaurus said:

.... what DID happen to Ernest? What did he finally get permabanned for? I sadly missed it.

I think he disappeared after someone pointed out the irony of someone like him starting a thread on the dangers of bullying. He took offense to their suggestion that he was a bully. It devolved into a agrument over whether Ernest is truly a bully or if he's just mean. LOL I liked his opinions (sometimes) but he annoyed me a lot too.

Back to topic, this reminds me of the old alt.fan.madonna newgroup I used to post on about 15 years ago!!!! Memories...

MidniteMagnet said:

Jakeasaurus said:

.... what DID happen to Ernest? What did he finally get permabanned for? I sadly missed it.

I think he disappeared after someone pointed out the irony of someone like him starting a thread on the dangers of bullying. He took offense to their suggestion that he was a bully. It devolved into a agrument over whether Ernest is truly a bully or if he's just mean. LOL I liked his opinions (sometimes) but he annoyed me a lot too.

Back to topic, this reminds me of the old alt.fan.madonna newgroup I used to post on about 15 years ago!!!! Memories...

Ernest requested his account be deleted after that. He's always been intensely hypocritical. Outside of Prince.org and within it, the same problem of being completely unaware of how venomous his life had made him. Sad.