JoeyC said:

Wow, some really interesting and heartfelt experiences. Thanks everyone(but especially babynoz, NinaB, 214 and XxAxX) for your comments and(or) sharing of personal experiences.

In reading some of y'all's personal experiences, one thing in particular got me thinking. And that was the ideal of certain people having "second sight", or Extrasensory Perception, in general. I find it interesting that the ideal of "intuition", or instinct, is a readily accepted facet of life but when that notion is taken further(ESP, etc), people are all too willing to discount what someone claims to have perceived, or experienced. There's a lot that we don't know about the abilities of the human mind, and (to me) the leap from human intuition to extrasensory perception, is not that big of a leap(in theory).

IDK, i was just thinking about a parent's love for their child(and vice versa). A lot of times that bond appears to be supernatural. I've heard many stories of a parent sensing that their child was in danger and it ended up being factual. Basically just as other people have stated on this thread(whether it was a parent, a child or another family member or close friend). Its really hard(in my mind) to discount those experiences...


Anyway, good stuff.

You're welcome. I agree it isn't that big a leap. More like different levels of the same phenomenon.

I know there is an entire spiritual world beyond this one. Although my experiences have been few, I want to share one that doesn't involve ghosts, mediums, etc. but, to me, is a clear indication that there are those beyond this world who look after us when we least expect it. Several years ago, I was having a cup of coffee outside my local cafe, just looking at the clouds on a beautiful morning with no one around at that time outside except for me. The wind was blowing leaves into dance swirls and then became still. I looked up into the sky and noticed something that I thought was another leaf skittering around back and forth; it hung in the air and then drifted lazily back and forth as if someone was mischievously waving it in front of me. Slowly it landed at my feet. Low and behold! It was a $20 bill! In astonishment, I looked up and down the street, but there was no one there. I picked it up, looked at the sky, and said, "Thank you!" I really needed it at the time and have never forgotten the blessing. There are those looking out after us even when we think they aren't.

purplethunder3121 said:

I know there is an entire spiritual world beyond this one. Although my experiences have been few, I want to share one that doesn't involve ghosts, mediums, etc. but, to me, is a clear indication that there are those beyond this world who look after us when we least expect it. Several years ago, I was having a cup of coffee outside my local cafe, just looking at the clouds on a beautiful morning with no one around at that time outside except for me. The wind was blowing leaves into dance swirls and then became still. I looked up into the sky and noticed something that I thought was another leaf skittering around back and forth; it hung in the air and then drifted lazily back and forth as if someone was mischievously waving it in front of me. Slowly it landed at my feet. Low and behold! It was a $20 bill! In astonishment, I looked up and down the street, but there was no one there. I picked it up, looked at the sky, and said, "Thank you!" I really needed it at the time and have never forgotten the blessing. There are those looking out after us even when we think they aren't.

wow! cool weird story!!!

NorthC said:

I once found two € 50 bills on the street in my hometown.

But, did they float down out of the sky to your feet? That was an even bigger blessing than mine! At least, monetarily...

purplethunder3121 said:

I know there is an entire spiritual world beyond this one. Although my experiences have been few, I want to share one that doesn't involve ghosts, mediums, etc. but, to me, is a clear indication that there are those beyond this world who look after us when we least expect it. Several years ago, I was having a cup of coffee outside my local cafe, just looking at the clouds on a beautiful morning with no one around at that time outside except for me. The wind was blowing leaves into dance swirls and then became still. I looked up into the sky and noticed something that I thought was another leaf skittering around back and forth; it hung in the air and then drifted lazily back and forth as if someone was mischievously waving it in front of me. Slowly it landed at my feet. Low and behold! It was a $20 bill! In astonishment, I looked up and down the street, but there was no one there. I picked it up, looked at the sky, and said, "Thank you!" I really needed it at the time and have never forgotten the blessing. There are those looking out after us even when we think they aren't.

Great.

The other story I can share that consolidates my belief that our loved ones maintain contact with us after they pass on to a better place is what happened when my beloved grandmother died. She had cancer and was wasting away from it slowly (no chance of recovery) and she wanted to stay in her home but she had to eventually go to the hospital which was two blocks away. The hosital called us--her family--at three o'clock in the morning telling us she was getting ready to pass on. We all rushed over there but by the time we got there she had passed from this existence... What hit me hard and I've never forgotten this to this day is what the nurses attending her told us... That, right before she gave up this life, her eyes opened and fixed on someone not in the room... The nurses said that she was talking to a man named Faye and a woman named Dorcas, and that she told them that she "was ready to go home." Now, the nurses had no idea who my grandmother was speaking of, but the family knew... Dorcas was my grandmother's younger sister who had passed on a few years before...and Faye was my grandmother's twin brother, after whose passing, she was never the same. I know now that both of her siblings came to get her when it was time to take her home to a better place than this one. And, I know beyond a doubt that when my time arrives, that a family member will come for me, too.

purplethunder3121 said:

I know there is an entire spiritual world beyond this one. Although my experiences have been few, I want to share one that doesn't involve ghosts, mediums, etc. but, to me, is a clear indication that there are those beyond this world who look after us when we least expect it. Several years ago, I was having a cup of coffee outside my local cafe, just looking at the clouds on a beautiful morning with no one around at that time outside except for me. The wind was blowing leaves into dance swirls and then became still. I looked up into the sky and noticed something that I thought was another leaf skittering around back and forth; it hung in the air and then drifted lazily back and forth as if someone was mischievously waving it in front of me. Slowly it landed at my feet. Low and behold! It was a $20 bill! In astonishment, I looked up and down the street, but there was no one there. I picked it up, looked at the sky, and said, "Thank you!" I really needed it at the time and have never forgotten the blessing. There are those looking out after us even when we think they aren't.

Nice one! Experiences like the one you had, really get to me. The reason why is because they reinforce(in a subtle and intimate way) the ideal that we're really not alone in this life(in a spiritual sense) and that something(or someone) is aware our daily struggles and actually cares about them. Its like whatever it was was in tune with your worries and also felt your humbleness(assumptions on my part)and decided to send you a little loving affirmation(the money).


Personally i get more comfort from spiritual experiences like the one you mentioned(one's that are individual, and happen in natural environments), pretty much more than i do from spiritual experiences that happen at church. In church settings(in general), you got the organ playing, you got people shouting praise, and you got the preacher doing his thing....sometimes it all can be a little over the top. Nothing wrong with religious fellowship though.


Anyway, I'm a pretty firm believer that a person doesn't need to be in church to interact with God(or whatever it is), or to feel its presence.



God/spiritual experiences is/are everywhere.

purplethunder3121 said:

The other story I can share that consolidates my belief that our loved ones maintain contact with us after they pass on to a better place is what happened when my beloved grandmother died. She had cancer and was wasting away from it slowly (no chance of recovery) and she wanted to stay in her home but she had to eventually go to the hospital which was two blocks away. The hosital called us--her family--at three o'clock in the morning telling us she was getting ready to pass on. We all rushed over there but by the time we got there she had passed from this existence... What hit me hard and I've never forgotten this to this day is what the nurses attending her told us... That, right before she gave up this life, her eyes opened and fixed on someone not in the room... The nurses said that she was talking to a man named Faye and a woman named Dorcas, and that she told them that she "was ready to go home." Now, the nurses had no idea who my grandmother was speaking of, but the family knew... Dorcas was my grandmother's younger sister who had passed on a few years before...and Faye was my grandmother's twin brother, after whose passing, she was never the same. I know now that both of her siblings came to get her when it was time to take her home to a better place than this one. And, I know beyond a doubt that when my time arrives, that a family member will come for me, too.

My condolences to you and your family. And thank you for sharing that.

There's been too many people who've had similar experiences surrounding a loved one's death, to take those experiences lightly.


Also, I get that skeptics say that those experiences are happening because of medication, mental breakdown, or because of a lack of oxygen to the brain, but there's a lot of research that suggest that that's not necessarily the case. There are case studies which have shown that a person who was dying, and who wasn't on any mind altering medication(or on very low doses), and who also was still coherent, still had death bed vision. In fact, in a lot of instances, once the person was given pain medication, the visions stopped.

And some people who were near death, claimed to have seen someone who they had never met or never knew existed. The person they claimed to have seen, turned out to fit the description of someone who had died at the same hospital, or hospital room, that they were in.


So...once again, we as humans should not be so quick to dismiss the experiences of 100's of thousands(probably in the millions world wide) of people who have had family members who at the time of their deaths had visions of loved ones, or of other people or entities.


Anyway, here's a couple pretty good articles on Death Visions and Near Death Experiences. The first article is strictly on death vision, but the 2nd article talks about NDE's, as well.

http://www.theaustralian....1476938098





http://www.socialworktoday.com/archive/111715p26.shtml

Also here's a couple more stories from that nursing website that i poster earlier.

Jun 18, '05 by nurse_suzan

Not so much a ghost story, but a story about when my mom died a year ago. She was at my sisters house for two weeks and started going down hill. Hospice was called on a Saturday and she lapsed into a coma on Tuesday. Me and my other sister got to her house on Wednesday. On Thursday, my mom woke up for 3 hours and was talkling to "other" people in the room. My dad died in 2000, and she kept saying "Frank, would you leave me alone, I am not ready to go with you yet!" Then she would get pissed and yell at him in German, (she was from germany). Then she saw her mother who passed away in 1964. The said "Mama" and started to cry and then spoke german to her for about an hour. She was reliving her childhood with her and talking about things they did when she was small and she was laughing and having a good time with her. My mom lost twin boys in her 5th month in 1966 and she was talking with them and said "I am so glad your Oma was there for you. I was so affraid you were alone." All of us in the room, and there was about 15 of us were in wonder the entire time. This went on for 3 hours. She would talk to them and then us. At one time she turned to me and said "oh Suzie, I didn't know you were here too, do you see all the people waiting for me?' She was affraid to die because of the unkwown I guess. The next day, Thursday she didn't wake up at all and she woke up again on Friday morning for an hour while I was in the room with her. She said she wasn't affraid anymore and that she had seen heaven. She just wanted my dad to stop bugging her becasue she hadn't finished her job yet. She told me that my dog that had passed away 6 months before that was with my dad. She died the next day.

When we got back into town the following day to get ready for the funeral, we were staying at my mom's house and it was hot outside, but we all smelled wood burning from her fire place. I snapped some pictures and there are orbs all over those pictures. The only picuters in the set that has them.

Now this one is bizarre...

Jun 17, '12 by schroeders_piano


My creepiest and scariest ghost story for me happened about a year ago. It really was more of a posession than a ghost story. I was helping another nurse with a patient that had lived a very hard life. It had numerous things going on with him from cardiac to renal failure. You name it, he had it going on. This man was very much afraid to die. Every time his heart monitor beeped, he would just go into a rage screaming, "Don't let me die! Don't let me die!" The other nurse and I found out why he didn't want to die. About 0200 his cardiac monitor starts alarming V-Tach. We both rush into the room. I am pulling the crash cart behing me. When I get to the room, the other nurse is completely white. This man was sitting about 2 inches above the bed and was laughing. His whole look completely changed. His eyes just had a look of pure evil on them and he had this evil smile on his face. He laughed at us and said, " You stupid b****es aren't going to let me die will you?" and he laughed again. We were kinda frozen. I did reach up and hit the Code Blue button and when I did the man went into V-fib. He crashed back onto the bed. We started coding him, but after 20 minutes it was called. 5 minutes after the code was called several of the code team is in the room cleaning up when this man sits straight up in the bed and says, " You let him die. Too bad." and then begins laughing. The man collapsed back to the bed. We heard a horrible, agonizing scream ( actually every patient in the unit that night commented on the scream), and then you could hear "don't let me die" being whispered throughout the unit. Everyone of the nurses that night was pale and scared. No body went anywhere by themselves. By morning the whispers of "don't let me die" were gone. The night shift nurses had a prayer service in the break room before we left for home and then we all had nightmares for weeks.

NorthC said:

Lianachan said:

None of it is real. Most "paranormal" things have rational explanations, and many aspects of it (eg mediums and psychics) are a cynical ruse to part the credulous from their cash.

Depends on what you call "real". You already admit yourself that not all paranormal experiences can be explained rationally. And even if they can, they can still mean something to the person experiencing it. Personally, I don't believe in ghosts or ufos or things like that, but I'm very interested in how the human mind works. Nina's story about how she felt instinctively which dog she could trust and which ones she couldn't, is very revealing: there's a big part of our brain that doesn't work rationally and that's just as big a part of what makes us human as the rational part. I do agree, however, that there's a lot of charlatans and you shouldn't lose your common sense!

Well, I didn't really. If you include things like hallucinations, misidentifications, imperfect memory, good old fashioned ignorance and hoaxing/fraud as rational explanations then that fills in the gap.

There's a lot of hilarious talk on this board about being "open minded", which in almost every case is labouring under a misapprehension about what being open minded actually is. I found this clip, which explains.

JoeyC said:

purplethunder3121 said:

I know there is an entire spiritual world beyond this one. Although my experiences have been few, I want to share one that doesn't involve ghosts, mediums, etc. but, to me, is a clear indication that there are those beyond this world who look after us when we least expect it. Several years ago, I was having a cup of coffee outside my local cafe, just looking at the clouds on a beautiful morning with no one around at that time outside except for me. The wind was blowing leaves into dance swirls and then became still. I looked up into the sky and noticed something that I thought was another leaf skittering around back and forth; it hung in the air and then drifted lazily back and forth as if someone was mischievously waving it in front of me. Slowly it landed at my feet. Low and behold! It was a $20 bill! In astonishment, I looked up and down the street, but there was no one there. I picked it up, looked at the sky, and said, "Thank you!" I really needed it at the time and have never forgotten the blessing. There are those looking out after us even when we think they aren't.

Nice one! Experiences like the one you had, really get to me. The reason why is because they reinforce(in a subtle and intimate way) the ideal that we're really not alone in this life(in a spiritual sense) and that something(or someone) is aware our daily struggles and actually cares about them. Its like whatever it was was in tune with your worries and also felt your humbleness(assumptions on my part)and decided to send you a little loving affirmation(the money).


Personally i get more comfort from spiritual experiences like the one you mentioned(one's that are individual, and happen in natural environments), pretty much more than i do from spiritual experiences that happen at church. In church settings(in general), you got the organ playing, you got people shouting praise, and you got the preacher doing his thing....sometimes it all can be a little over the top. Nothing wrong with religious fellowship though.


Anyway, I'm a pretty firm believer that a person doesn't need to be in church to interact with God(or whatever it is), or to feel its presence.



God/spiritual experiences is/are everywhere.

Now this one is bizarre...

Jun 17, '12 by schroeders_piano


My creepiest and scariest ghost story for me happened about a year ago. It really was more of a posession than a ghost story. I was helping another nurse with a patient that had lived a very hard life. It had numerous things going on with him from cardiac to renal failure. You name it, he had it going on. This man was very much afraid to die. Every time his heart monitor beeped, he would just go into a rage screaming, "Don't let me die! Don't let me die!" The other nurse and I found out why he didn't want to die. About 0200 his cardiac monitor starts alarming V-Tach. We both rush into the room. I am pulling the crash cart behing me. When I get to the room, the other nurse is completely white. This man was sitting about 2 inches above the bed and was laughing. His whole look completely changed. His eyes just had a look of pure evil on them and he had this evil smile on his face. He laughed at us and said, " You stupid b****es aren't going to let me die will you?" and he laughed again. We were kinda frozen. I did reach up and hit the Code Blue button and when I did the man went into V-fib. He crashed back onto the bed. We started coding him, but after 20 minutes it was called. 5 minutes after the code was called several of the code team is in the room cleaning up when this man sits straight up in the bed and says, " You let him die. Too bad." and then begins laughing. The man collapsed back to the bed. We heard a horrible, agonizing scream ( actually every patient in the unit that night commented on the scream), and then you could hear "don't let me die" being whispered throughout the unit. Everyone of the nurses that night was pale and scared. No body went anywhere by themselves. By morning the whispers of "don't let me die" were gone. The night shift nurses had a prayer service in the break room before we left for home and then we all had nightmares for weeks.

scarier than many a hallowe'en movie, that! my mom worked on the intensive care unit before retirement and one night while she was home, in bed, she awoke at 3:42 am to the voice of one of her patients saying "goodbye..." when she arrived at work, she noticed her patient's time of death was the same as the time she'd awakened....

purplethunder3121 said:

The other story I can share that consolidates my belief that our loved ones maintain contact with us after they pass on to a better place is what happened when my beloved grandmother died. She had cancer and was wasting away from it slowly (no chance of recovery) and she wanted to stay in her home but she had to eventually go to the hospital which was two blocks away. The hosital called us--her family--at three o'clock in the morning telling us she was getting ready to pass on. We all rushed over there but by the time we got there she had passed from this existence... What hit me hard and I've never forgotten this to this day is what the nurses attending her told us... That, right before she gave up this life, her eyes opened and fixed on someone not in the room... The nurses said that she was talking to a man named Faye and a woman named Dorcas, and that she told them that she "was ready to go home." Now, the nurses had no idea who my grandmother was speaking of, but the family knew... Dorcas was my grandmother's younger sister who had passed on a few years before...and Faye was my grandmother's twin brother, after whose passing, she was never the same. I know now that both of her siblings came to get her when it was time to take her home to a better place than this one. And, I know beyond a doubt that when my time arrives, that a family member will come for me, too.

a middle-aged relative of ours did something similar - nearly died, was resuscitated brought back and lived to tell us that he had been met by 'little sammy' and 'grandma helen'. none of us could figure out what was going one but after further investigation, we discovered that these people did indeed exist, but had died long before any of us were born, over in sweden. generations before.
the remarkable thing was the sense of peace our relative felt at this visit. reassurance.

Is the possesion story true? (the man sitting above his bed?) Is that true? Terrifying....

I wishes the nurses and dr.s' of the org would start a thread sharing these types of stories. I once asked my mother in law, who was a nurse, if she'd seen anyone die and she said, "oh sure, plenty of times" --- and she told me some stories - mostly everyone died peacefully- but she said once there was this man, who she actually knew because he had been friends with her father (who had been a very bad alcoholic) and the man used to drink with her father- he was so mean that not one of his kids or anyone came to the hospital, no one came- and he died horribly- full of fear and terror on his face - scary story...

babynoz said:

To me it's unfortunate when people don't distinguish between being skeptical and being dismissive and condesending. It's fine not to believe, but keep the judgement out of it please.

Just because a skeptic hasn't personally witnessed something does not mean it's a figment of the imagination.

Exactly! The condescending and judgmental attitudes is what get's me. Its perfectly fine to not believe in the supernatural but to also have the attitude that just because someone's personal experiences are beyond your scope of experience(personal or otherwise), then the person must be gullible, lying or crazy? Well that just seems closed minded, arrogant and ignorant.

There are many people who appear to have "different levels of perception" and other extraordinary abilities that can't readily be explained away(if a person has an open mind). I always go back to the ideal that contrary to what we think as modern humans, there is so much that we don't know about the physical and non physical realms. There's are things that science cannot yet explain. And with the scientific discoveries(and Hypotheses) of dark matter, dark energy, and parallel universes, etc, it seems kinda irresponsible(for science minded people)to automatically disregard some human experiences. Who knows what discoveries could be made if people were a little more open minded.



I will say this though. I think that the explosion of all those ghost hunting/psychic/UFO abduction, TV shows are probably doing more harm than good. I think some of them started out with good intentions(and a few are still pretty decent) but lost tract of what the focus should be on. And that is to find solid evidence of paranormal phenomena. Now in days though, its mainly about entertainment, notoriety and shock value. There's a lot of fakes out there and that really hurts the credibility of real truth seekers.



Anyway babynoz, amazing about the dreams and visions that you and some of your family members have had. I don't know what color you are( doesn't matter) and where your family is from but like most blacks, my family(mom's side) comes from the south(Arkansas), and they have heard some interesting stories about dreams and visions. My grandmother is not too far away from age 100, and the next time i see her i might ask about a few stories that i heard...

[Edited 10/20/16 20:21pm]

NinaB said:

JoeyC said:

Wow, some really interesting and heartfelt experiences. Thanks everyone(but especially babynoz, NinaB, 214 and XxAxX) for your comments and(or) sharing of personal experiences.

In reading some of y'all's personal experiences, one thing in particular got me thinking. And that was the ideal of certain people having "second sight", or Extrasensory Perception, in general. I find it interesting that the ideal of "intuition", or instinct, is a readily accepted facet of life but when that notion is taken further(ESP, etc), people are all too willing to discount what someone claims to have perceived, or experienced. There's a lot that we don't know about the abilities of the human mind, and (to me) the leap from human intuition to extrasensory perception, is not that big of a leap(in theory).

IDK, i was just thinking about a parent's love for their child(and vice versa). A lot of times that bond appears to be supernatural. I've heard many stories of a parent sensing that their child was in danger and it ended up being factual. Basically just as other people have stated on this thread(whether it was a parent, a child or another family member or close friend). Its really hard(in my mind) to discount those experiences...


Anyway, good stuff.

You're welcome Joey, it's enjoyable 2 reason over these things with other open minded & curious individuals. I think it's the terminology, people seem more comfortable with words such as 'instinct' & 'intuition' than 'ESP' & 'supernatural'. The universe is 'natural' yet many things are a mystery, same with DNA & mothers & their offspring. The dream your Aunt had, considering the timing & what your Mother said, I wouldn't consider it as a coincidence. I don't believe in coincidence I hope it brings u comfort, I know how u feel going thru what u did with your Mom, words cannot describe [Edited 10/19/16 4:34am]

A big thank you NinaB ! Yeah, it was(is) tough losing mom's. She was a wonderful person. One of the coolest things about her was that up until the time of her death(at age 68), she was a Prince fan. I got her into Prince way back in the early 1980's. We actually went to the Musicology concert together and when she died we buried her in a Purple coffin and the same purple outfit that she wore to the concert(she had only wore it that one time)...



I read the posts about your mom, her abilities and her passing. She sounded like a amazing person. Both in terms of abilities and in personality. My condolence to you. I have faith that you will see her again though.



Also, i was thinking about your comments concerning the connection you feel towards animals. Yeah, they pretty much all are wonderful creatures. Especially cats and dogs. Cats and dogs sixth senses are amazing. In regards to the paranormal and how animals might be sensitive to it, there's a TV show called The Haunted. It's on the Animal Planet. It deals with hauntings that happen in homes where animals are present and appear to be affected by the activity. Its been a while since I've seen the show but it was pretty good when i was watching it. You might have already heard of it though.

So if anyone is interested, here's the post that i made a few years back concerning a couple paranormal experiences that some of my family members have had. I posted it this way so i could clean up some of the jacked up sentence structure and punctuation(in the OP). I posted the link as well, so y'all can see that i didn't change any words from the OP.

Man, the links are off. This is page two link. Post is on page one.

http://prince.org/msg/100/415544?&pg=2

Anyway, y'all got to forgive me on my sentence structure and punctuation. I'm hella sensitive to light and computer monitors really seem to mess with my brain, and my eyesight.

A couple last things. The relative who brought the Ouija board in this post, is the aunt who had the dream about my mom(her sister) in the other post that i made.


Also, i feel comfortable in posting this stuff about family members. There's really no identifying information and although i do have family who are Prince fams, its highly unlikely that they would visit the Org.

JoeyC said: Reply #13 posted 04/15/15 11:49pm

As I've mentioned before, a few of my family members have had paranormal experiences.

My uncle had a experience where his roommates were playing with a Ouija board(in the living room) and supposedly contacted the spirit of a little boy. He (my uncle) was in his bedroom(after coming home from work) and swears that he saw the shadow of a small figure moving around in his room. He saw the shadow not once but twice( the same night). The thing that makes this bizarre is that he wasn't told about the little boy contact until the next day. The night of the incident he knew nothing about them contacting anyone or anything. As i mentioned, they didn't tell him until the next day.

The other experience was with one of my other relatives. I told this story before but i said it was a friend of the family. It was not a friend of the family. It was a family member.

What happened was one of my relatives brought a Ouija board and started playing with it with two of her young kids. The kids were about 8 and 10 at the time(around 1980). So, they would play with it and after a while my relative's daughter(10 yo) started saying that this old lady in a black dress would come in her room and try to get her to go outside (with her). First it started off fairly benign but as time went on, the lady started saying negative things to her and basically started harassing her.

So then the daughter started acting weird. She would do things like sleepwalk, stare into space, rock back in forth(in a zone) and if i remember correctly, she started cursing a lot.

Anyway, one time my mom went to visit our relative and went into the daughter's room to check on her. She said that the daughter was laying in her bed, with her eyes closed, and as my mom approached her, she jumped out of the bed(with her eyes still closed) and punched my mom real hard in the stomach. My mom said that she was surprised(and scared) that my relative did that, and that she hit her extremely hard.

Another incident. My aunt(mom's younger sister) was spending the night at the relative's house and her and the daughter were both sleeping in the same bed. My aunt told me that the daughter was just laying there asleep while she(my aunt) was just laying there with her eyes closed. My aunt then says that she felt odd so she opened her eyes and the daughter was standing straight up in the bed(just like that), just starring at her. My aunt swears that she felt no movement at all in the bed. She said that it was like one minute the daughter was laying flat in the bed, and the next minute she was standing straight up.

So i ask my aunt, 'Do you think you could have dozed off for a minute and not felt her moving around' ? My aunt said no, i had just laid down and wasn't really tired.

Whatever happened, it bothered my aunt so much that she never spent the night at our relatives house again.

So what they did was get rid of the Ouija board and have this pastor(Rev ****)come and bless and pray over the house....And my relative.

Pretty much after that, things stopped. But my other relative(female relative's brother)would say that sometimes his bed would shake for no reason. He also saw some stuff that his sister did but he doesn't ever talk about it though.

Also, my mom said that when she was about 17, she swore she saw this person fall into a canal(from the sky !).

What she said was one of her friends had come to visit her, and that her friend knocked on the front door. She then said that she opened it and as they were talking, my mom swears that she saw a female figure fall from about 25 feet in the air, head first, into this canal that was next to her house. My mom was inside the front door, looking out towards the canal, while her friend was directly outside the door, facing my mother. My mom said that she saw the splash and everything. She was so adamant that she saw a women go into the canal that they called the Firebaugh CA police department to come out and take a look. And they found nothing. Also there was no bridge or anything high up that someone could have jumped from. I asked my mom 'could it have been a bird' ? She said no, it was a woman. She said i even saw her hair moving(in the wind)... So go figure.

So for me, i believe 100% in what my mom, my aunts and what my uncle, said. They aren't the type of people who imagine, and most definitely, make up stuff. And as far as my female relative? She definitely had something going on with her. And i believe it was paranormal.

I've had two odd thing happen to me but ill type that stuff tomorrow.

[Edited 10/21/16 4:11am]

JoeyC said:

Why do ghosts have on clothes?

2freaky4church1 said:

I've always wondered how ghosts have on clothes. Therefore, the clothes are "ghosts" as well, because they don't exist- they are either at the Goodwill, or down in the ground with them. I think it's what they're buried in. I recently saw on Youtube Telly Savalis tell his ghost experience, and it turns out the ghost was wearing what he was buried in (according to his wife) so I think it's what they were buried in or died in.

2freaky4church1 said:

Why do ghosts have on clothes?

2freaky4church1 said:

Why do ghosts have on clothes?

my theory is because we don't really 'see' ghosts, but sort of feel/sense/visualize them from the energy they project and/or we experience. i really do not know why they have clothes good question!

XxAxX said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Why do ghosts have on clothes?

my theory is because we don't really 'see' ghosts, but sort of feel/sense/visualize them from the energy they project and/or we experience. i really do not know why they have clothes good question!

Come to think of it, I've never heard of a naked ghost!

XxAxX said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Why do ghosts have on clothes?

my theory is because we don't really 'see' ghosts, but sort of feel/sense/visualize them from the energy they project and/or we experience. i really do not know why they have clothes good question!

Good question. And interesting response.

There's this parapsychologist by the name of Dr. Barry Taff, who has come to some interesting conclusions as to what "ghosts" and "hauntings" really are. He's been doing paranormal research for over 40 years and among other pretty famous hauntings, was one of the main investigators in The Entity case. Basically he says that ghosts, in the way that most people think of them, don't exist. His belief is that hauntings(objects moving by unseen hands, etc) are most likely a result of telekinesis(with other factors at play), and not as a result of the spirits of people who have died, doing things. He definitely claimed to have seen things move by themselves, etc, but once again, attributes them to manifestations of the human subconscious, and not by a deceased person's spirit.

Although i highly respect Dr.Taffs work, i somewhat disagree with his conclusions. I believe that besides Poltergeist activity(basically psychokinesis on steroids), there are such things as ghosts(in the traditional sense). But even if his hypothesis is correct. That's still amazing. Just imagine being able to move and manifest things with your subconscious mind ??

Crazy.

Anyway here's a portion of a Question and Answer article with Dr. Taff.


Full article is here:

http://realitysandwich.co...t-mystery/

Brent L. Smith-Realitysandwich.com




It’s been a long time since ‘The Entity’, a film that continues terrifying its audience. Do you think the remake can have the same effect, or are its aims completely different?

I personally didn’t like the film. The director rewrote a lot of it, and it was lambasted in the press. I remember Barbara Hershey pleaded with the production company to be in the movie, as did Ron Silver, but they hated it after it was torn apart in the media. If [the remake] was made today, and was the same thing as it was then, it might be a little hokey. But if it’s more serious and follows what really transpired, it could be more frightening. A lot of it simply depends on who’s writing, directing, and acting in it.

In the field, you’ve witnessed objects, even people, being tossed across rooms by unseen forces. If restless dead people aren’t the culprit, what then is at work here?

I don’t, for one second, believe this is the work of dead people throwing living people around. The evidence and collected data suggests these effects are the result of what’s called Recurrent Spontaneous Psychokinesis (RSPK).

There’s two types of psychokinesis (moving physical objects around without physical means). There’s microscopic, which works on very small scales, things like affecting random number generators, random event generators, and moving subatomic particles around. It’s usually electrostatic-based, fatigue in the individual is shown, as it’s done on a conscious level. And then there’s macroscopic, what we call ‘poltergeist,’ and that’s a whole different ball of wax. We’re talking about the ability of moving very massive objects, hundreds of pounds easily. It’s done on a subconscious level, as there is no fatigue seen in the person at the core of it. Like the microscopic type, it’s believed that the phenomena are generated by aliving human agency.

So, it’s our subconscious minds, then, that have the ability to hurl household objects around?

It’s more complicated than that. It seems to be that there are several overlapping variables at work. One is the location—either a geomagnetic or an electromagnetic anomaly site—where there’s some strong form of energy that we know of affecting the individual at the core of the phenomenon. The second variable is that the individual is usually seizure-prone or epileptic, sometimes without knowing it. Lastly, they also suffer from ineffective coping mechanisms and problems dealing with stress. If those three variables work in the right relationship with one another, you get phenomena.

The way the electromagnetic environment affects these people is stressful. It alters their body in some way. The mechanism is called ‘inductive resonance coupling’. So, even if you’re in the right environment and you’re seizure-prone or epileptic, if the field doesn’t resonate with yours…nothing happens. And that may be based more on your emotions than anything else. What’s also curious is that most seizure-prone or epileptic people are not poltergeist agents. It’s unilateral, not bilateral, and we don’t know what the missing variable is. This is why, with every case we approach, on top of everything else we do a medical background check of the individual and ask a lot of personal questions that, seemingly, have little to do with what’s going on.

If mainstream science pursued the understanding this phenomena, what kind of consequences would it have on the current paradigm?

My gut is telling me is that if we find out what this energy is, it could take us to the stars. This is energy that does work without heat! There’s only four forms of energy that we basically deal with: electromagnetism, strong and weak nuclear, and gravitational. Well, it can’t be gravitational because the mass is insufficient. It can’t be nuclear because the individual would be dead due to ionization long before any RSPK occurred. Is it electromagnetic? When you see a 215-pound man being picked up and thrown across a room, his clothing and everything else should burst into flame by the liberated heat of the force doing it. Second law of thermodynamics. But it doesn’t get hot, it gets cold! What are we being shown here? Call it Zero Point Energy, call it whatever you want, but whatever it is explains much, if not all, of the paranormal—from ESP all the way to OBE’s (out-of-body experiences) and NDE’s (near-death experiences). However, the way this energy couples to us is almost assuredly magnetic in nature. The problem is we can’t simulate these conditions and test it in a lab yet. For one, it would be very, very costly, and more importantly, it would also put the test subjects at risk—you might fry them.

A Wikipedia search for Remote Viewing tells us there is no credible scientific evidence that RV works, and that it failed to produce any useful intelligence information. What are your thoughts?

Well, I’m curious as to who wrote and posted the entry. Anyways, yes, there is an overwhelming amount of data, it’s been replicated thousands of times. We ran the research at UCLA long before there was work at SRI [Stanford Research Institute], and it ran until ’78 when the lab closed. After that, we went into offices in the Westwood area and ran it through 1987, and then everyone went in their own direction and that was that. It’s real. It’s demonstrable. It doesn’t work with everyone, if it did we would understand it. And even when it does work with a lot of people, we still don’t understand the mechanism. The reason our government didn’t do anything with remote viewing is because 1) they couldn’t weaponize it 2) they couldn’t profit from it and C) they were skeptical of it because we couldn’t explain the mechanism, even though it worked. So, if you can’t kill anybody with it, and if you can’t explain it, then either it’s useless or it must be the Devil.

What do you think we can we do to reintroduce science into the paranormal?

First of all, get rid of the crap on television. One of the biggest negative factors dealing with this subject matter is, basically, all of these paranormal reality shows being fraudulent. In my opinion, they’ve set the field back at least three quarters of a century. The shows are all fake, everyone knows that. A lot of people don’t even care. There isn’t a legitimate paranormal reality show on TV because it can’t count on something happening, you have to make ithappen, and that means you’re faking it. But if you’re a producer, you’ve got to have a show, you can’t just have talking heads for forty-two minutes. It’s this kind of market that has attached a stigma to the paranormal. If you go into this field there’s a good chance, academically, you’ll never work. You won’t have a job. I can testify to that.

So your work in this field has alienated you from other professional endeavors? What sort of prejudice have you experienced?

For example, I do a lot of normal things, I have a company that develops a number of medical patents, not involving the paranormal. But since my name is in these [business] plans, potential investors have looked me up and instantly think I’m nuts because, well… “You’re doing all this crazy stuff.” See, if you’re already wealthy, or you’ve made a lot of money turning investments into big profits, then you’re “eccentric,” and they don’t care what you’re doing. But if you’re not financially lucrative, or successful doing anything with someone else’s money, then you’re “crazy.”

I confronted an investor about it recently. It was a big multinational electronics company, you’ve probably heard of them. They initially approved to develop three out of five of our patents. It went to the head of development, they thought our work was great, we’re given a green light. Okay, great. But then months go by, and we don’t hear from them. So, we send an inquiry. The head of the company gets back to us, and starts going off on how the patents are bullshit, the research is bullshit, and on and on. And we’re going, “What? Where did this come from?” So, I asked him, “Look, tell me the truth. Drop the bullshit, and just tell me the truth.” And after a long pause he says, “Okay, you want to know the truth? I looked you up and the minute I found out who are you and what you do, I threw it away. You’re crazy. No one’s giving you money, no one will ever give you money, they’ll think you’re crazy, and you are. End of story.” So, this has happened at least six to eight times that we know of, and it’s because of my background in parapsychology. Since then, we’ve changed a lot of our plans, omitted my name, we changed the name of the company, I don’t even know what it is anymore, nor do I want to know. I’m completely removed from it. So, getting into this professionally, you’ll eventually discover you can’t get a job. “Sorry, position’s already full.” That kind of thing. It’s looked at as a pseudoscience, it’s looked at as a fringe science. If you can’t make a lot of money with it, and if you can’t kill people with it, no one cares. It has no use in the western world. So that’s, y’know, where things are.

It’s interesting that hauntings could be more of a mental health issue than, say, a spiritual one. If people find themselves in a ‘haunted’ home, what can they do about it (short of running to their favorite television network)?

Well, first of all, the probability of something literally harming people is the chance of you getting hit with a meteorite in the next five minutes. It’s not going to happen. And since most people don’t even want to read what the real research has indicated, it’s a dead end. Until we get to the point where we understand the mechanism behind these things, nothing will ever change. This kind of phenomena has been around forever. Our ancestors believed this stuff was the result of dead people floating around. Now we know different. I have a little over 4,500 cases in my file, and I’d say more than 99% have been poltergeists. Very few, if any, have been what we call ‘hauntings,’ and even those are suspect. You go where the data takes you. If you can’t replicate something in a laboratory under controlled conditions, like we can with remote viewing, you’re basically left with noticing patterns—longitudinal patterns—in the data you collect. And it’s there. It’s kind of a joke almost. As I always emphasize: the places and faces may change, but the events do not. So you see the same thing, over and over, over and over. And you keep getting the same stories, the same measurements, the same readings, and the same answers to all the medical and psychological background questions. So the question becomes: How many times do you have to be hit in the head with this stuff before you realize, “Oh my god, this is amazing?!”

In terms of having an interest in this subject matter, I’ve gotten the most useful information attending your lectures. How often do you speak publicly?

Well, in the ‘70s, ‘80s, and ‘90s I was lecturing a lot. But it’s very infrequently now. If I lecture a couple times a year, I’m amazed. The only thing I’ve done recently, funny enough, was film for a TV show, “Ghost Adventures: Aftershocks” on the Travel Channel.

So paranormal reality shows aren’t entirely off the table for you?


The only reason I agree to do certain shows is because they don’t ask me to lie about myself or the work. I’m not conducting any field research, but they are featuring a recent update from my Cielo Drive case in the Benedict Canyon area. We’ve got this incredible photo. The woman pictured was having a mini seizure, and directly next to her head is a strange, luminous anomaly that wasn’t seen by anyone present at the time. I think what we’re seeing here is the optical analog of what the energy is doing to her: the very potent geomagnetic field was literally cooking her brain, and she was convulsing because of it.

Wow, so that’ll be featured on ‘Ghost Adventures: Aftershocks’ on the Travel Channel?

Yes, it’s supposed to air in February.

How can people contact you if they’d like to host a lecture or just inquire?

They’re welcome to visit my site at barrytaff.net.

[Edited 10/21/16 16:53pm]

^^ thank you Joey! great thread.

You said:

Good question. And interesting response.

There's this parapsychologist by the name of Dr. Barry Taff, who has come to some interesting conclusions as to what "ghosts" and "hauntings" really are. He's been doing paranormal research for over 40 years and among other pretty famous hauntings, was one of the main investigators in The Entity case. Basically he says that ghosts, in the way that most people think of them, don't exist. His belief is that hauntings(objects moving by unseen hands, etc) are most likely a result of telekinesis(with other factors at play), and not as a result of the spirits of people who have died, doing things. He definitely claimed to have seen things move by themselves, etc, but once again, attributes them to manifestations of the human subconscious, and not by a deceased person's spirit.

Although i highly respect Dr.Taffs work, i somewhat disagree with his conclusions. I believe that besides Poltergeist activity(basically psychokinesis on steroids), there are such things as ghosts(in the traditional sense). But even if his hypothesis is correct. That's still amazing. Just imagine being able to move and manifest things with your subconscious mind ??

Crazy.


i do believe the human mind is capable of a great deal more than medical science can currently quantify. historically, western civilization hasn'tt exactly nurtured those who pursue this type of paranormal study (witch hunts). i'm glad we live in an age like this, able to talk about weird stuff like this on bulletin boards.

likely there's a big argument to be made in favor of unknown science when it comes to at least a few 'ghostly' things. for example, sonics/concentrated standing waves of sound at certain frequencies can move very heavy objects, even suspend things in midair. maybe functions like that explain somethings like levitation, or pictures falling off walls.

something i find interesting: as paranormal reality TV shows become more and more mainstream and that stereotypical taboo against 'the devil's arts' is lifted, it seems there are more people opening up about their own weird experiences. willing to go public, as it were.

NinaB said:

JoeyC said:

A big thank you NinaB ! Yeah, it was(is) tough losing mom's. She was a wonderful person. One of the coolest things about her was that up until the time of her death(at age 68), she was a Prince fan. I got her into Prince way back in the early 1980's. We actually went to the Musicology concert together and when she died we buried her in a Purple coffin and the same purple outfit that she wore to the concert(she had only wore it that one time)...



I read the posts about your mom, her abilities and her passing. She sounded like a amazing person. Both in terms of abilities and in personality. My condolence to you. I have faith that you will see her again though.



Also, i was thinking about your comments concerning the connection you feel towards animals. Yeah, they pretty much all are wonderful creatures. Especially cats and dogs. Cats and dogs sixth senses are amazing. In regards to the paranormal and how animals might be sensitive to it, there's a TV show called The Haunted. It's on the Animal Planet. It deals with hauntings that happen in homes where animals are present and appear to be affected by the activity. Its been a while since I've seen the show but it was pretty good when i was watching it. You might have already heard of it though.

Thank you. That's lovely, you enjoyed P together my Mum liked P too, particularly the '86 cobo video, UTCM & Parade Not that she had much choice, coz as a kid I played the cobo vid after school everyday 4 at least a yr or 2 I find it hard 2 find the right words 4 this...when u love your Mother dearly & she goes thru suffering & passes...it is something only those who've been thru it truly understand. It's life changing, an initiation/rite of passage. Lots of love 2 you & may we both be reunited with our loved ones when our time comes. I hadn't heard of that show but will check it out.

My heart goes out to people who don't have a connection with their mothers because a relationship with the one person in the whole world who carried you around inside of them for nine months is like no other. My mom was a fan too. So are my kids and my ex. Not crazy, die hard like me though.

But my mom sort of had something to do with my meeting Prince in Vegas in 2006. We were shopping at whole foods about one month before my trip and I saw a beautiful greeting card. I showed it to mom because it reminded me of The Rainbow Children for some reason. She told me to buy the card and give it to him.

I laughed and told her I was going to see Prince perform, not literally "see" him. She said, "you might, you never know."

I took the card with me to Vegas.

I ended up giving the card to Trevor at the sound check. I saw him give it to Prince and thought that was the end of it. Ten minutes later Prince came over to where we were standing and spoke to me and three other org members that I was hanging with that night.

Looking back I am so thankful that I had the chance to tell him in person how much he meant to me. The funny thing is that for about six months before I met Prince I dreamed about him every week. After we met I rarely dream about him.

This is the card I gave him....I bought two and kept one for myself because it was such a beautiful card. I don't have to tell you how much it means to me now.



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babynoz said:

babynoz said:

NinaB said:

JoeyC said: Thank you. That's lovely, you enjoyed P together my Mum liked P too, particularly the '86 cobo video, UTCM & Parade Not that she had much choice, coz as a kid I played the cobo vid after school everyday 4 at least a yr or 2 I find it hard 2 find the right words 4 this...when u love your Mother dearly & she goes thru suffering & passes...it is something only those who've been thru it truly understand. It's life changing, an initiation/rite of passage. Lots of love 2 you & may we both be reunited with our loved ones when our time comes. I hadn't heard of that show but will check it out.

My heart goes out to people who don't have a connection with their mothers because a relationship with the one person in the whole world who carried you around inside of them for nine months is like no other. My mom was a fan too. So are my kids and my ex. Not crazy, die hard like me though.

But my mom sort of had something to do with my meeting Prince in Vegas in 2006. We were shopping at whole foods about one month before my trip and I saw a beautiful greeting card. I showed it to mom because it reminded me of The Rainbow Children for some reason. She told me to buy the card and give it to him.

I laughed and told her I was going to see Prince perform, not literally "see" him. She said, "you might, you never know."

I took the card with me to Vegas.

I ended up giving the card to Trevor at the sound check. I saw him give it to Prince and thought that was the end of it. Ten minutes later Prince came over to where we were standing and spoke to me and three other org members that I was hanging with that night.

Looking back I am so thankful that I had the chance to tell him in person how much he meant to me. The funny thing is that for about six months before I met Prince I dreamed about him every week. After we met I rarely dream about him.

This is the card I gave him....I bought two and kept one for myself because it was such a beautiful card. I don't have to tell you how much it means to me now.



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You picked exactly the right kind of card and message that resonated with Prince.

NinaB said:

Thank you. That's lovely, you enjoyed P together my Mum liked P too, particularly the '86 cobo video, UTCM & Parade Not that she had much choice, coz as a kid I played the cobo vid after school everyday 4 at least a yr or 2 I find it hard 2 find the right words 4 this...when u love your Mother dearly & she goes thru suffering & passes...it is something only those who've been thru it truly understand. It's life changing, an initiation/rite of passage. Lots of love 2 you & may we both be reunited with our loved ones when our time comes. I hadn't heard of that show but will check it out.

Exactly. The grief that a person feels behind the death of a beloved parent, and especially a mother, is something that unless a person has experienced it, they can't completely understand it. My mother's death left a particular emptiness within me that will never go away.

As for your mother digging Prince. Cool ! She had good taste. My mom also liked UTCM & Parade. She also liked PR, Prince(the album), ATWIAD(especially The Ladder) and Prince's slow songs and blues influenced songs. And that's besides the "hits".

Anyway, i agree that we will see our loved ones again. Also, i have to admit that having my mom die made me much more accepting of my own death. Its not like I'm morbid about it all but when it does happen, I'm ready. I've always believed that the spirit world is the natural world and this earthly existence is the anomaly. Anyway, hopefully death doesn't happen too soon though, lol.

babynoz said:

My heart goes out to people who don't have a connection with their mothers because a relationship with the one person in the whole world who carried you around inside of them for nine months is like no other. My mom was a fan too. So are my kids and my ex. Not crazy, die hard like me though.

But my mom sort of had something to do with my meeting Prince in Vegas in 2006. We were shopping at whole foods about one month before my trip and I saw a beautiful greeting card. I showed it to mom because it reminded me of The Rainbow Children for some reason. She told me to buy the card and give it to him.

I laughed and told her I was going to see Prince perform, not literally "see" him. She said, "you might, you never know."

I took the card with me to Vegas.

I ended up giving the card to Trevor at the sound check. I saw him give it to Prince and thought that was the end of it. Ten minutes later Prince came over to where we were standing and spoke to me and three other org members that I was hanging with that night.

Looking back I am so thankful that I had the chance to tell him in person how much he meant to me. The funny thing is that for about six months before I met Prince I dreamed about him every week. After we met I rarely dream about him.

This is the card I gave him....I bought two and kept one for myself because it was such a beautiful card. I don't have to tell you how much it means to me now.



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You are totally right(embolden part). I know first hand what its like not having the best relationship with a parent. And a mother in particular. When i was a teenager, and young adult, me and my mother weren't on the best of terms. We loved each other dearly but there was baggage in both of our past's. And by me being young and immature, i dealt with those issues in a real immature way.

The wonderful thing though is that when she passed away, we were on excellent terms and had been that way for many, many, many years. It was all good. Still though, i sometimes do think about(and regret) the time that was wasted. If i only knew how soon she would be gone...

So yes, my heart also goes out to people who don't have a connection with their parents. And especially their mothers. There's a lot wounded people out there because of that fact.


Also i was thinking about the posts that touched on the ideal that certain abilities can be passed down between a mother and a child, and that ancestral memories can possibly be passed down as well. That and the other things that were mentioned (shared dreams between a unborn child and its mother, etc) really amaze me. Since I'm a man, and also not having any kids, i can really only imagine the kind of bonds that develop, in utero, between a mother and a child. The "supernatural" aspect of carrying a child should definitely be researcher further.


Anyway, all this got me thinking about this episode of a paranormal TV show called Paranormal Witness. The episode was about a women and her getting into a auto accident with her son, and the lengths she(or her spirit) went through to save him. I like the episode because it has a lot of documentation. I think its worth checking out.

Excellent story about you Prince encounter. It really got to me.

The episode that i mentioned, is the first one. Haunted Highway. The YouTube video is of so so quality so i added a link to the better quality dailymotion one. I tried to embed it but it didn't work.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x18enyr_paranormal-witness-season-1-episode-2-haunted-higway-ufo-chase_shortfilms