babynoz said:

kpowers said:

your opinion

I never claimed it was anything else, did I?

Still got love for you babynoz

XxAxX said:

babynoz said:

Proving a ghost presence would be like me trying to prove the dream I had. What equipment would you use to detect it???? There isn't any.

nowadays on most of the ghost shows they use funky little hand held electronic meters to measure changes and fluctuations in radiant energy; static generating 'talk boxes' to allow ghostly voices to come through; ghost boxes which record a huge spectrum of inaudible (to the human ear) sounds that, when replayed may have recorded a ghostly voice; and use super sensitive gauges to see when the room temperature grows colder.

now i'm not saying they actually work, but it's an infant science..

I've seen and read about such things that show differences in certain energy levels but like I told batboy, it's not proof as we understand the term. I'm not saying they dont exist but what I am saying is that we don't have instruments that tell us specifically that the energy is in fact, a ghost.

For example, dogs and other animals hear things that humans do not but we don't know if they hear ghosts. Dogs and other animals are sensitive to certain energy patterns, such as service dogs who predict seizures and cats in nursing homes who sit with patients who are going to die soon.

I'm not sure that there are instruments that can pick up such things but I know there are living beings who do.

XxAxX said:

babynoz said:

That is exactly how I feel. We don't talk about it much outside of the family either, but since Joey asked.....

I have two family members that I had a similar dream about the same year, involving them being assaulted. The first person never bothered to return my phone calls so I could warn them and ended up getting carjacked, beaten, robbed, stripped naked, thrown in the water and shot at.

A few months later I had a similar dream about another family member. This person returned my phone calls and I told them what I saw in the dream. About a week later as he was walking home from work, he noticed two guys coming toward him. He got spooked, and started running. They chased him, but he managed to outrun them and luckily he lived in a gated complex, so they couldn't follow him to his apt.

There is no way for me prove to anybody else that I actually had those dreams so if they have doubt, then so be it.

The same with my grandmother, whenever she dreamt about fish it meant that some female close to her was pregnant. Not any random acquaintance, but a close, blood relative. It never once failed that I know of. All she had to do was mention fish and female realtives would scatter. She also dreamed numbers and won every time she played. I remember when she passed. The next night she came to mom and gave her a number, but she ignored it. Number came out that night.

My mom was like you. She could meet somebody once, know they were evil to the core and be proven right shortly thereafter. She also had visions and could astral project. Before I was born, shortly after she had my brother, she was lying down at my grandmother's house, when some part of her left the living room sofa to summon grandmother from the kitchen. When my grandmother went to see what mom wanted, she wasn't conscious.

When they got mom to the hospital it turned out that she was bleeding internally. My mom remembers looking back and seeing herself lying on the sofa and my grandmother remembers mom coming to her for help, except she was unconscious....go figure.

Mom also taught me how to see auras. People don't have to believe but they shouldn't judge either.

even worse, most children are being actively taught these things don't exist, so any child with talent is not encouraged to either use or refine his/her abilities.

i believe a number of people who have been diagnosed as mentally ill may actually have abilities western civilization refuses to recognize

Every day there are ancient truths being rediscovered that modern know it alls used to poo-poo. Now they just give things a different name and pretend it's something new.

STAY AWAY FROM OUIJA BOARDS

NinaB said:

babynoz said:

That is exactly how I feel. We don't talk about it much outside of the family either, but since Joey asked.....

I have two family members that I had a similar dream about the same year, involving them being assaulted. The first person never bothered to return my phone calls so I could warn them and ended up getting carjacked, beaten, robbed, stripped naked, thrown in the water and shot at.

A few months later I had a similar dream about another family member. This person returned my phone calls and I told them what I saw in the dream. About a week later as he was walking home from work, he noticed two guys coming toward him. He got spooked, and started running. They chased him, but he managed to outrun them and luckily he lived in a gated complex, so they couldn't follow him to his apt.

There is no way for me prove to anybody else that I actually had those dreams so if they have doubt, then so be it.

The same with my grandmother, whenever she dreamt about fish it meant that some female close to her was pregnant. Not any random acquaintance, but a close, blood relative. It never once failed that I know of. All she had to do was mention fish and female realtives would scatter. She also dreamed numbers and won every time she played. I remember when she passed. The next night she came to mom and gave her a number, but she ignored it. Number came out that night.

My mom was like you. She could meet somebody once, know they were evil to the core and be proven right shortly thereafter. She also had visions and could astral project. Before I was born, shortly after she had my brother, she was lying down at my grandmother's house, when some part of her left the living room sofa to summon grandmother from the kitchen. When my grandmother went to see what mom wanted, she wasn't conscious.

When they got mom to the hospital it turned out that she was bleeding internally. My mom remembers looking back and seeing herself lying on the sofa and my grandmother remembers mom coming to her for help, except she was unconscious....go figure.

Mom also taught me how to see auras. People don't have to believe but they shouldn't judge either.

Very interesting. Love the female relatives scattering when Grandmother mentioned fish Sounds like Mom projected her aura (or soul/spirit- whatever term peep like) to her Mother when she needed help that time. There's something very special between a mother & her child. I remember reading about some scientific study saying that pregnant women & their babies can share dreams. As quiet as it's kept there's many unanswered questions regarding conception, gestation & birth. I also saw something recently about scientists proving 'dream telepathy' (as the called it) can take place between people.

It's interesting alright. I admire people who try to understand such things rather than dismiss. When my uncle was young he used to hang out in all the wrong places. One particular time he got annoyed because my grandmother would not stop calling him, so he went home to see what she wanted only to find out that she hadn't called him at all. About a hour later there was a bunch of commotion where he'd been hanging out and they found out someone had been either shot or stabbed to death, I don't remember which.

When I was pregnant with my second child I could not get enough tomatoes and other vegetables that I never liked. It was odd because to this day he is perfectly content to eat veggies and nothing else. I went back to my bad eating habits after he was born.

kpowers said:

babynoz said:

I never claimed it was anything else, did I?

Still got love for you babynoz

You still fam, bro....

NorthC said:

NinaB said:

XxAxX said:

even worse, most children are being actively taught these things don't exist, so any child with talent is not encouraged to either use or refine his/her abilities.

i believe a number of people who have been diagnosed as mentally ill may actually have abilities western civilization refuses to recognize

I remember an African shaman spoke on that once. He was horrified by the insane asylums in the west.

It's unfortunate that those who have different levels of perception are grouped with people who have actual mental health issues without much thought going into what the differences might be. Autism is one example. My brother was autistic but back in the sixties they just put people like him in institutions to rot even though he was a brilliant guitar player and not disruptive or delusional. I had a good friend in college who was also autistic, but there was nothing that he could not build. The difference was that my brother was institutionalized and my friend was not.

It's not much better nowadays because all the pharma industrial complex wants to do is fill people with drugs.

babynoz said:

NinaB said:

NorthC said:

African shaman? Can you elaborate on that, Nina? Anyway, I think we're on to something here. I can see Emma's point of view, "I'll believe it when I see it", but there are different ways of "seeing" things. And yes, maybe people who modern society calls "mentally ill" just have a different way of seeing things. But that isn't always easy when you're living your day to day life, so modern society's answer is to just stuff everybody full of pills, so they'll be "alright". I don't believe in ghosts, but I do believe... No! I know that modern society has become too much rational/materialistic and has forgotten about other realities that exist in the human mind. Which brings me back to the African shaman Nina was talking about. I'd really love to know more about that.

It was Malidoma Some, he has books & print/video interviews online. I believe the article I read (about his views on mental health/hospitals) included excerpts from one of his books.

I have his book, Of Water And The Spirit and I was deeply inspired by his insights.

babynoz said:

babynoz said:

NinaB said:

babynoz said:

I have his book, Of Water And The Spirit and I was deeply inspired by his insights.

Oh, there you go! He's on my booklist. I must get some of his books.

It is a must read.

This is the only ghost I've seen lately.....sorry Joey, I couldn't resist.


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Back on topic. My youngest saw my grandmother after she passed. He was behind a chair playing with his toy trucks while we were talking about the arrangements. He pointed, smiled and said, "there's grandmom". We froze for a minute, then I asked him where? He saw her standing in the doorway of her room. When she died she had been bedridden for two weeks and not standing at all.

He wasn't old enough to know how to make up a story about seeing her. My mom was so spooked that she stayed with us for two weeks.

babynoz said:

NinaB said:

XxAxX said: I remember an African shaman spoke on that once. He was horrified by the insane asylums in the west.

It's unfortunate that those who have different levels of perception are grouped with people who have actual mental health issues without much thought going into what the differences might be. Autism is one example. My brother was autistic but back in the sixties they just put people like him in institutions to rot even though he was a brilliant guitar player and not disruptive or delusional. I had a good friend in college who was also autistic, but there was nothing that he could not build. The difference was that my brother was institutionalized and my friend was not.

It's not much better nowadays because all the pharma industrial complex wants to do is fill people with drugs.

exactly. there are many other ways to treat varoius symptomologies and drugs are NOT always the best way. i find it completely disturbing that pharma is prescribing a boatload of mind candy, before long-term adverse effects have truly been studied or even whether altering brain chemistry is the best answer. and not to mention advertisements on TV... "ask your doctor about this drug" crap...

babynoz said:

This is the only ghost I've seen lately.....sorry Joey, I couldn't resist.


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Back on topic. My youngest saw my grandmother after she passed. He was behind a chair playing with his toy trucks while we were talking about the arrangements. He pointed, smiled and said, "there's grandmom". We froze for a minute, then I asked him where? He saw her standing in the doorway of her room. When she died she had been bedridden for two weeks and not standing at all.

He wasn't old enough to know how to make up a story about seeing her. My mom was so spooked that she stayed with us for two weeks.

i saw my ghosty great grandpa sitting in his personal rocking chair one summers eve... but, by the end of the evening i'd been convinced that i only imagined it and ghosts don't exist. except, they do cause i've seen/felt them as an adult. or maybe ghosts are something like parallel world bleed where we can see shadows of those who live in realities overlapping ours.

babynoz said:

XxAxX said:

NinaB said:

XxAxX said:

i saw my ghosty great grandpa sitting in his personal rocking chair one summers eve... but, by the end of the evening i'd been convinced that i only imagined it and ghosts don't exist. except, they do cause i've seen/felt them as an adult. or maybe ghosts are something like parallel world bleed where we can see shadows of those who live in realities overlapping ours.

There are people who speak on that, dimensions & such. Some say 'ghosts' are auric echoes.

undiscovered science

NinaB said:

babynoz said:

This is the only ghost I've seen lately.....sorry Joey, I couldn't resist.


[img:$uid]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/delivertheword/celebs/ghost_zpstajqi5pm.jpg[/img:$uid]


Back on topic. My youngest saw my grandmother after she passed. He was behind a chair playing with his toy trucks while we were talking about the arrangements. He pointed, smiled and said, "there's grandmom". We froze for a minute, then I asked him where? He saw her standing in the doorway of her room. When she died she had been bedridden for two weeks and not standing at all.

He wasn't old enough to know how to make up a story about seeing her. My mom was so spooked that she stayed with us for two weeks.

When my Mum passed it was the small children in my life that said the most honest & sensitive things 2 me. Simple things, yet profound. Beautiful little people. There was a tabby cat who appeared the night she died & 2 times in the weeks after, 3 times in total. He did some very uncatlike things. Mum is Leo & born in the year of the Tiger. Ladybirds started showing up in my house, lots of them, I've lived here over 20yrs, I don't get Ladybirds. In her last yrs Mum got into Mary, who we saw as a later day Black Madonna IE Isis. When I looked in2 Ladybirds they represent Isis/Mary. A fox followed me home one night, walked right behind me, very, very unusual behaviour 4 a fox. I always take notice of small children & animals. Their my friends & I feel most at ease (& safe) in their company.

It's a gift to be able to be comfortable with animals. I'm a cat lover but everything else I just watch on Animal Planet.

XxAxX said:

babynoz said:

It's unfortunate that those who have different levels of perception are grouped with people who have actual mental health issues without much thought going into what the differences might be. Autism is one example. My brother was autistic but back in the sixties they just put people like him in institutions to rot even though he was a brilliant guitar player and not disruptive or delusional. I had a good friend in college who was also autistic, but there was nothing that he could not build. The difference was that my brother was institutionalized and my friend was not.

It's not much better nowadays because all the pharma industrial complex wants to do is fill people with drugs.

exactly. there are many other ways to treat varoius symptomologies and drugs are NOT always the best way. i find it completely disturbing that pharma is prescribing a boatload of mind candy, before long-term adverse effects have truly been studied or even whether altering brain chemistry is the best answer. and not to mention advertisements on TV... "ask your doctor about this drug" crap...

It's another form of warehousing without the walls. God forbid they should actually have to talk to patients beyond the initial interview.

babynoz said:

NinaB said:

babynoz said:

It's a gift to be able to be comfortable with animals. I'm a cat lover but everything else I just watch on Animal Planet.

It is a gift. I've always been aware of it & really grateful. Used 2 terrify my poor Mum with it as a small kid, no fear of animals (or swimming in deep sea etc). Used 2 walk straight up 2 dogs bigger than me poor woman! She was always amazed how I'd know which ones were friendly. One time I walked up 2 this big alsation & she was like "Nooo!" He was a big ole softy. She said "how did u know?" I said "Look at his face Mummy! he's friendly!". We got round the corner & she said "now look that's a nice doggy" at a small Yorkshire terrier. I said "oh no don't go near him" she put her hand out a bit & said hi & he barked his little head off! We had a good ole laugh over that. She kinda relaxed more about it after seeing over time I was never hurt or bitten. Too cute

Wow, some really interesting and heartfelt experiences. Thanks everyone(but especially babynoz, NinaB, 214 and XxAxX) for your comments and(or) sharing of personal experiences.

In reading some of y'all's personal experiences, one thing in particular got me thinking. And that was the ideal of certain people having "second sight", or Extrasensory Perception, in general. I find it interesting that the ideal of "intuition", or instinct, is a readily accepted facet of life but when that notion is taken further(ESP, etc), people are all too willing to discount what someone claims to have perceived, or experienced. There's a lot that we don't know about the abilities of the human mind, and (to me) the leap from human intuition to extrasensory perception, is not that big of a leap(in theory).

IDK, i was just thinking about a parent's love for their child(and vice versa). A lot of times that bond appears to be supernatural. I've heard many stories of a parent sensing that their child was in danger and it ended up being factual. Basically just as other people have stated on this thread(whether it was a parent, a child or another family member or close friend). Its really hard(in my mind) to discount those experiences...


Anyway, good stuff.

None of it is real. Most "paranormal" things have rational explanations, and many aspects of it (eg mediums and psychics) are a cynical ruse to part the credulous from their cash.

JoeyC said:

NinaB said:

JoeyC said:

Wow, some really interesting and heartfelt experiences. Thanks everyone(but especially babynoz, NinaB, 214 and XxAxX) for your comments and(or) sharing of personal experiences.

In reading some of y'all's personal experiences, one thing in particular got me thinking. And that was the ideal of certain people having "second sight", or Extrasensory Perception, in general. I find it interesting that the ideal of "intuition", or instinct, is a readily accepted facet of life but when that notion is taken further(ESP, etc), people are all too willing to discount what someone claims to have perceived, or experienced. There's a lot that we don't know about the abilities of the human mind, and (to me) the leap from human intuition to extrasensory perception, is not that big of a leap(in theory).

IDK, i was just thinking about a parent's love for their child(and vice versa). A lot of times that bond appears to be supernatural. I've heard many stories of a parent sensing that their child was in danger and it ended up being factual. Basically just as other people have stated on this thread(whether it was a parent, a child or another family member or close friend). Its really hard(in my mind) to discount those experiences...


Anyway, good stuff.

You're welcome Joey, it's enjoyable 2 reason over these things with other open minded & curious individuals. I think it's the terminology, people seem more comfortable with words such as 'instinct' & 'intuition' than 'ESP' & 'supernatural'. The universe is 'natural' yet many things are a mystery, same with DNA & mothers & their offspring. The dream your Aunt had, considering the timing & what your Mother said, I wouldn't consider it as a coincidence. I don't believe in coincidence I hope it brings u comfort, I know how u feel going thru what u did with your Mom, words cannot describe [Edited 10/19/16 4:34am]

agree. it's important to keep an open mind especially in the area of inquiry. let's not forget that for hundreds of years people were executed for discussing such things, or even asking questions.

'in league with the devil' was a phrase bandied about back then whenever anyone had the sight, and even folks who were simple healers were persecuted.

[Edited 10/19/16 5:25am]

Lianachan said: